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Re: Soup search results

Postby Kazyan » August 25th, 2015, 2:45 am

The newest cuphook variant is formed in a synthesis-friendly way:

x = 14, y = 13, rule = B3/S23
7bo$7bo$7bo3$b2o7bo$o2bo5bobo$b2o5bo2bo$8b3o2$2bo$bobo7b3o$2b2o!


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Re: Soup search results

Postby calcyman » August 25th, 2015, 5:22 am

Apparently this happened four days ago, but I've been too immersed in other things lately to have noticed it:

x = 16, y = 16, rule = B3/S23
obob3o3b2obobo$3obo2b2ob2o2bo$3ob2o2b2ob3obo$2bobob4ob3obo$2ob5o2b2o$
2o2bo5b2o2bo$3b2o4b7o$2o2bo2bo2bob4o$bo2b2obo2b2obobo$3o3b5o2bo$b2o2b
2o2bobo3bo$3ob4obo2bob2o$b3ob2o3b2o2b2o$ob2o5bo2b3o$3b4o4bo$2ob2ob2o2b
obo!


That is to say, two new p8 oscillators have appeared in the last couple of weeks.

The fun stuff is starting to appear now that we're churning through 10^12 objects per week. There are currently 30k distinct objects, and the power-law appears to be approximately:

"Searching 5 times as many soups yields twice as many distinct objects"

It's true going from Achim's census up to Okrasinski's, and has remained true up to the current status of Catagolue. So I expect around 60k distinct objects once we've reached a total of 50 * 10^12 objects (some time in early 2016, I guess).
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Re: Soup search results

Postby Extrementhusiast » August 25th, 2015, 7:12 pm

A quite compact seed for an eater 2:
x = 17, y = 17, rule = B3/S23
8b2o$7bo2bo$7bobo$8bo4$5b2o3bo$5b2ob2o$9b2o$b2o$obo12bo$bo12bobo$7b2o
5bobo$6bo2bo5bo$6bo2bo$7b2o!

Unfortunately, it ends up in the middle of the reaction envelope. This one is more edge-shot, though (cleanup seed not included):
x = 22, y = 27, rule = B3/S23
11b2o$10bo2bo$11b2o7$10bo$5b2ob2o$5b2o2b2o8$19b3o3$bo$obo$b2o2$5b3o!

There was also this:
x = 20, y = 20, rule = B3/S23
2b3obobo$6b2o$7bo2$2o$2o7$17b2o$16bo2bo$16bo2bo$17b2o$11b3o2$16b2o$16b
2o!

The upper block can be replaced with a loaf or a pond. Finally, another predecessor, which could probably be turned into a seed:
x = 7, y = 13, rule = B3/S23
2b3o4$b2o$b2o2b2o$5b2o$bo$obo$o2bo$2b2o$3b3o$4b2o!
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Re: Soup search results

Postby isaacg » August 27th, 2015, 12:38 pm

The second to last 13-cell SL, the python-tie-carrier, has appeared:
x = 16, y = 16, rule = B3/S23
oobbbbbooooobboo$
obooboooobooooob$
ooooobobobobbbob$
bboboboobobbobob$
obobobbbbbobbooo$
oobobbobooobbobb$
obbobbbooobobooo$
bbbbobbbbooooobb$
ooobboobbooooboo$
boooobboboooobob$
booobbbbbbbboboo$
oooobbobobooboob$
obobbbobooobooob$
obbbboooobobooob$
bobbbboobbbboobb$
oobobbobbboobooo!

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Re: Soup search results

Postby codeholic » August 27th, 2015, 12:59 pm

codeholic wrote:
dvgrn wrote:So what's the next likely new period for Catagolue? Any bets on whether it will be an unknown oscillator next time?

If you're talking about asymmetric soups, then I would bet it's going to be period 24, namely a figure eight on pulsar.

Not surprisingly, I has been right :wink: http://catagolue.appspot.com/object/xp2 ... 81qo/b3s23
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Re: Soup search results

Postby Kazyan » August 27th, 2015, 2:07 pm

Good stuff in the last two hours. I'd actually call the new 13-bitter a "python bridge snake" from the precedent set by this 12-bitter. As for the last holdout, here's the progression of snakes as of the /textcensus I just opened:

"xs6_bd","186617512"
"xs7_3lo","7903060"
"xs8_31248c","2604680"
"xs9_31248go","99964"
"xs10_wg853z65","2008"
"xs11_xg853zca1","205"
"xs12_358gzy012ko","22"

Exponential regression and extrapolation suggests that the Jormungand (everyone else is giving it their own pet name, so I'll hop on board too) should have shown up around the 7.660 trillion object mark. The current expected value for the number of them in Catagolue is 1.167 or so, so nothing's particularly weird yet.
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Re: Soup search results

Postby The Turtle » August 27th, 2015, 6:53 pm

codeholic wrote:
codeholic wrote:
dvgrn wrote:So what's the next likely new period for Catagolue? Any bets on whether it will be an unknown oscillator next time?

If you're talking about asymmetric soups, then I would bet it's going to be period 24, namely a figure eight on pulsar.

Not surprisingly, I has been right :wink: http://catagolue.appspot.com/object/xp2 ... 81qo/b3s23

I'll guess too: maybe period 10 will be next, like a furamole and bipole, or period 12, like a mold and jam.
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Re: Soup search results

Postby codeholic » August 28th, 2015, 12:00 am

I bet it's going to be figure 8 on pentadecathlon, i. e. period 120.
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Re: Soup search results

Postby biggiemac » August 28th, 2015, 3:42 am

Assuming independence to first order, a compound oscillator will occur with frequency proportional to the product of its constituents. For reference, the frequencies of a few common oscillators normalized to let pulsars have unit frequency:

Pulsar: 1
Pd: 0.01
Figure-8: 0.0004
Mold: 0.0002
Jam: 0.00002

So we have pulsar+pd estimated 40 times more likely than pulsar+figure-8, but even the latter is 100 times more likely than pd+figure-8. Given we only have 4 cases of pulsar+pd, I'd say the statistics aren't on our side to see the pd+figure-8 anytime soon. My estimate is we would need to increase the census by 2 to 3 orders of magnitude.

The compound-oscillator piece missing from this is the candelfrobra, because it needs an inductor. A candelfrobra-on-beacon has occured twice, and a beacon has frequency 10 on the scale above. A candelfrobra-on-mold, a trivial p12 oscillator, could be expected if we increased the census by 4 to 5 orders of magnitude.

We have 20 occurrences of p46 objects, putting them at frequency 0.0000003. To my knowledge, there isn't any interaction possible between a twin-bees shuttle and a pulsar, but there is with a pd. We might uncover a whopping p690 with an additional 7 to 8 orders of magnitude.

I would certainly hope the next period is p7 though. 28p7.2 looks like it should be not too far from possible with a couple more orders of magnitude - though C2_2 symmetry isn't nearly as big of a frequency boost as, say, D2_1 (see all natural still lives with 38 bits or more.. for reference the largest natural C2_2 object in the C1 census is currently 32 bits, and the largest that regularly forms from C2_2 explosions within the soup is 30 bits)

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Re: Soup search results

Postby calcyman » August 28th, 2015, 9:30 am

biggiemac wrote:Assuming independence to first order, a compound oscillator will occur with frequency proportional to the product of its constituents.


That's probably reasonable, not least because these oscillators tend to appear piecemeal.

For reference, the frequencies of a few common oscillators normalized to let pulsars have unit frequency:


I like how the jam is now considered to be a common oscillator!

So we have pulsar+pd estimated 40 times more likely than pulsar+figure-8,


By which you mean 25?

My estimate is we would need to increase the census by 2 to 3 orders of magnitude.


Wow. Extrapolation suggests Catagolue should easily cope with growing 2 orders of magnitude larger, but I might have to auto-delete old hauls to economise on storage space (it's using about 4 gigabytes at the moment).

We have 20 occurrences of p46 objects


That many already? Wow, I can remember back when p46 objects were nowhere to be seen, apart from a report that Achim had found one in a large toroidal soup.

We might uncover a whopping p690 with an additional 7 to 8 orders of magnitude.


My int64s would overflow at that point...

I think that Gosper guns would be much more common, since you only need two incomplete p30 shuttles (i.e. ones which lack a block). As for Simkin guns, I have no idea what the expected frequency is.

I would certainly hope the next period is p7 though.


Hopefully, and realistically, in the form of a loafer.

Time will tell!


Only if we generate lots more soups. We'll probably reach about 30 * 10^12 objects by the end of 2015, and 100 * 10^12 objects by the end of 2016, unless we can vastly increase engagement (e.g. by making that cryptocurrency built on top of apgsearch).
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Re: Soup search results

Postby gmc_nxtman » August 28th, 2015, 9:47 am

Here's a fairly simple phoenix synthesis:

x = 14, y = 14, rule = B3/S23
9bo$9bobo$bo7b2o$2bo3b2o$3o3b2o2$3b2o4b2o$3b2o4b2o2$6b2o3b3o$6b2o3bo$
3b2o7bo$2bobo$4bo!


I built it by noticing that the glider + block collision to make 2o$2b$ob! sparks can be looped to make oscillators.
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Re: Soup search results

Postby biggiemac » August 28th, 2015, 12:01 pm

For reference, the frequencies of a few common oscillators normalized to let pulsars have unit frequency:

I like how the jam is now considered to be a common oscillator!

I mostly included it because the prior post had mentioned it. I didn't include fumarole as common though.

So we have pulsar+pd estimated 40 times more likely than pulsar+figure-8,

By which you mean 25?

Math-after-midnight! My bad :)

I think that Gosper guns would be much more common, since you only need two incomplete p30 shuttles (i.e. ones which lack a block). As for Simkin guns, I have no idea what the expected frequency is.

Incomplete but fully synchronized. I'd imagine the yl_120 is more common than GGG by multiple orders of magnitude, but even then the common Herschel path leaves only a few dozen generations in which to fortuitously edge-construct the last two blocks.
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Re: Soup search results

Postby A for awesome » August 28th, 2015, 1:16 pm

I would suggest that a 2-SE puffer will be the next unusual object to occur. If you look at the statistics, about 5 million stabilized SE's have occurred in about 9 trillion soups, suggesting a frequency of 1 in two million. This means that theoretically, two switch engines have occurred in at least 2 soups already. The chances of them being in the same direction and adjacent to each other is something that I don't know how to estimate, though. I would say that it's likely that one will appear within the next few tens of trillions of soups.
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Re: Soup search results

Postby mniemiec » August 28th, 2015, 3:32 pm

gmc_nxtman wrote:Here's a fairly simple phoenix synthesis: ...

This was the most optimum Phoenix synthesis for over a decade, until very recently.You should have a look at at my object synthesis web site http://codercontest.com/mniemiec/lifepage.htm. It is about a year or two out of date (as there has been such an explosion of activity recently, and I haven't been able to keep up with it in real time), but it has around 11000 syntheses, most of which are boring, but also many of which can give insights into other syntheses.
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Re: Soup search results

Postby gameoflifeboy » August 28th, 2015, 8:14 pm

30-cell still life from 13 gliders:
x = 70, y = 72, rule = B3/S23
67bo$67bobo$67b2o12$7bobo$8b2o$8bo2$39bobo$39b2o6bo$40bo6bobo$47b2o6$
11bo$12bo$10b3o$16bo$17bo$15b3o4$7b3o$9bo2b3o$8bo5bo$13bo3$34bo$33b2o$
33bobo$27b2o$28b2o$27bo6$55b2o$19b3o33bobo$21bo33bo$20bo13$3o$2bo$bo!

http://catagolue.appspot.com/object/xs3 ... 11dd/b3s23
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Re: Soup search results

Postby isaacg » August 29th, 2015, 6:23 am

According to the Statistics page, a new period 384 linear-growth pattern has been found:

x = 16, y = 16, rule = B3/S23
bboobbooboobobbb$
booobboboobbbboo$
oooobbbobobbobbb$
bobbbbbboobobooo$
bobbobboboobbobb$
oboboobbbobbobbo$
boboooobooooooob$
obobbobboobobobb$
obboobboboobbbob$
oooboooobobboooo$
booobbobbbbooooo$
bbbobooboboboobb$
bbobbobooobbbobo$
oobbooooooooobbb$
oobooobbbbbobbbb$
bbobbbobobooooob!

Looking at it more carefully, it appears it's a normal glider producing switch engine that gets hit by a glider after its been going for a while, at generation 24263.

The effect propogates inside its active region, but it survives. Just a miscategorization, nothing to see here.

Anyone know what causes this specific sort of miscategorization?
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Re: Soup search results

Postby Kiran » August 29th, 2015, 9:28 am

In generation 40000 it looks like a normal glider producing switch engine and everything else is stabilized, there are two perturbations produced by gliders but both are temporary.
x = 418, y = 397, rule = B3/S23
2$335b2o$334bobo$336bo62$271b2o$270bobo$272bo62$207b2o$206bobo$208bo
50$229b2o$221bo4bo2bo$220bobo2bob3o2bo$221b4o4bo2bo$229bo2bo$222bo6bo$
227bob2o$209b2o11bo$209b2o12b2o6$147bo$145b2ob2o$148b2o$150bo62bo$149b
o61bobo$149bo61b3o12bo2bo$144bo3bo62bo10b3ob3o$143b2o3bo8b2o64bobob2o$
142bo4b2o8b2o65b3o$146bo2bo43b2o29b2o$146bo2bo26b3o14b2o$147bobo$146bo
27bo5bo$146bo27bo4bobo$145bo2b2o24bo4bobo$145bo2b2o20b2o8bo$146b3obo
19b2o$147b2o51b2o$146bo2bo50bobo$146bo2bo51bo$145bo2bo$146bo2bo40b3o$
146b2ob2o16bobo19bo2bo$147bobo18b2o19bo3bo$148bo19bo19b2obobo$188b2ob
2o$189b3o3$196bo8b2o$194b2o9b2o$196b3o$194b3o$194bo$187b3o3bobo$117b2o
47b2o19b3o2b3o$117b2o47bobo23b2o2b2o$167bo23bo2bob2o$188bo5b3o$125b2o
61bo4bo3bo$125b2o61bo3bo$190bo$144b3o2$106b2o34bo5bo11b2o24b2o$106bobo
33bo4bobo10bobo22bobo$107b2o33bo4bobo11bo24bo$138b2o8bo$138b2o$168b2o$
168bobo$169bo7$136b3o3$173b2o$173b2o3$132bo$132bo$85b2o45bo$85b2o3$93b
2o$93b2o2$112b3o40b2o$154bo2bo$74b2o34bo5bo11b2o24bobo$74bobo33bo4bobo
10bobo24bo$75b2o33bo4bobo11bo$106b2o8bo$106b2o59bo$166bobo$166bobo$
167bo7$104b3o7$100bo$100bo$53b2o45bo$53b2o3$61b2o$61b2o2$80b3o40b2o$
122bo2bo$42b2o34bo5bo11b2o24bobo$42bobo33bo4bobo10bobo24bo$43b2o33bo4b
obo11bo$74b2o8bo$74b2o59bo$134bobo$134bobo$135bo7$72b3o7$68bo$68bo$21b
2o45bo$21b2o3$29b2o$29b2o2$48b3o40b2o$90bo2bo$10b2o34bo5bo11b2o24bobo$
10bobo33bo4bobo10bobo24bo$11b2o33bo4bobo11bo$42b2o8bo$42b2o59bo$102bob
o$102bobo$103bo7$40b3o7$36bo$36bo$36bo7$16b3o40b2o$58bo2bo$14bo5bo11b
2o24bobo$14bo4bobo10bobo24bo$14bo4bobo11bo$10b2o8bo$10b2o59bo$70bobo$
70bobo$71bo7$8b3o7$4bo$4bo$4bo!
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Re: Soup search results

Postby Kazyan » August 31st, 2015, 1:53 am

My thoughts while checking the twitter bot wrote:Huh, that's pretty big for a cuphook variant, especially with the bit connected to the pre-block...wait, then that pre-block bit would turn off in generation 2? How does the rotor...and why does this other cell have four neighbors in generation 0? What in the...never mind, I'll just check the link for answers.


x = 16, y = 16, rule = B3/S23
bbbbbooooooobooo$
ooboooobobobobob$
bbobboobboobbooo$
obbbbbbbbboboboo$
oobobobbbbooboob$
oooobbbooooobboo$
bbooboboobbbbbob$
boobbobbbbooobbb$
bobbobobbbbooboo$
bbboooobbooboooo$
obbbbobobooooooo$
bbbboooobbbbobbb$
bbooobooboobbooo$
obbbobobobobooob$
obbooobobbbbbobb$
bbbobobbbbobbbbo!


It's a cuphook variant with a built-in-stillater. Sweet.
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Re: Soup search results

Postby biggiemac » August 31st, 2015, 9:00 pm

Kazyan wrote:It's a cuphook variant with a built-in-stillater. Sweet.

I think this is the first natural p3 with constant population. Is it also the smallest such p3? I'm not seeing an obvious stator reduction.
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Re: Soup search results

Postby BlinkerSpawn » August 31st, 2015, 9:55 pm

biggiemac wrote:I think this is the first natural p3 with constant population. Is it also the smallest such p3?

No, there's at least 5 always-29-cell p3s with that rotor, although the 5th is a trivial modification of the 4th.
x = 11, y = 52, rule = B3/S23
8bo$4b2obobo$2obobobo2bo$o5bob2o$b5o2bo$6bobo$3b2o2bo$3bob2o5$4b2obo$
2obobob3o$o5bo3bo$b5o2bobo$6bob2o$3b2obo$3bob2o4$8b2o$4b2obobo$2obobob
o$o5bobo$b5o2bo$6bob2o$3b2obo$3bob2o5$4b2obo$2obobob3o$o5bo3bo$b5o2b2o
$6bobo$3b3o2bo$3bo4b2o5$4b2obo$2obobob3o$o5bo3bo$b5o2b2o$6bobo$3bobo2b
o$3b2o3b2o!
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Re: Soup search results

Postby Billabob » September 6th, 2015, 8:03 am

A new queen bee shuttle variant has appeared:

x = 16, y = 16, rule = B3/S23
obbooooooobbobbo$
bbbobboooobbbbbb$
oobooboobobobbbo$
ooooboobobobbobb$
ooooooobbbboobbo$
bboooobooooobboo$
boobbbboobobbbbo$
obbbobbboobboobo$
obbbbbbboobbbbob$
oobbbbooobbbbbbo$
obbbobboboboobbo$
ooooobbbbboooobo$
oboooooobboobooo$
boobboobboboooob$
bbobobbbobboobob$
ooboobboobobbooo!
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Re: Soup search results

Postby Extrementhusiast » September 7th, 2015, 4:56 pm

Seven-object seed for a BTS stator variant:
x = 16, y = 20, rule = B3/S23
8b2o$8b2o2$14bo$8b2o4b2o$7bo2bo3b2o$3b2o3bobo4bo$3bo5bo$5bo$4b2o4$13bo
$6b2o4bobo$6b2o5bo2$3o4bo$7b2o$6bobo!

Awkwardly, one of the objects is a carrier. (I added the toad myself; without it, the table-to-be becomes a boat.)
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Re: Soup search results

Postby Billabob » September 9th, 2015, 12:03 pm

Blocker on cap:
x = 16, y = 16, rule = B3/S23
bobooboooobbbboo$
ooooobbbboobboob$
obooobobbbooooob$
boboobboobboobbb$
obobbbboobbbboob$
obbbbboobooboboo$
bbboboobbboboobb$
oobobbbooobbboob$
bobooooobobbbboo$
bboboobobobobboo$
oooboobboooobbob$
bboobbobboobbbbo$
boobbbooobobooob$
bobbobbbobboooob$
obbobboobooooboo$
oooobobooooobbbb!
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Re: Soup search results

Postby gameoflifeboy » September 9th, 2015, 11:40 pm

Billabob wrote:A new queen bee shuttle variant has appeared:

x = 16, y = 16, rule = B3/S23
obbooooooobbobbo$
bbbobboooobbbbbb$
oobooboobobobbbo$
ooooboobobobbobb$
ooooooobbbboobbo$
bboooobooooobboo$
boobbbboobobbbbo$
obbbobbboobboobo$
obbbbbbboobbbbob$
oobbbbooobbbbbbo$
obbbobboboboobbo$
ooooobbbbboooobo$
oboooooobboobooo$
boobboobboboooob$
bbobobbbobboobob$
ooboobboobobbooo!


And another one, this one being only the second one that can actually act as a reflector:
x = 16, y = 16, rule = B3/S23
boobbbbbbboobobo$
ooobobobbboobboo$
obbboobbbbobbobo$
obobooooobbooobb$
obboooooobbobooo$
bbboobbboobobobb$
bbbbooboobbooobb$
bbbbobbobooboobo$
bbbbbbooboobbbbb$
boobbobbobobbobb$
bbbbbbooobobobob$
obobbbbboboobobo$
ooooboboobbobobo$
oooboooboobbbbob$
oobooobbobbbobbo$
oooobbooobobbbbo!
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Re: Soup search results

Postby gameoflifeboy » September 10th, 2015, 8:28 pm

13-snake!
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#C [[ THUMBNAIL AUTOSTART LOOP 60 GPS 20 ZOOM 12 ]]
x = 16, y = 16, rule = B3/S23
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bbbbobboboobbobb!

Now that we have all 13-bit still lives, the twitterbot should be updated to report new 14-cell still lives.
Also, my 200th post!
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