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Re: Catagolue Oddities

PostPosted: June 8th, 2018, 9:23 am
by Majestas32
How about just allowing double backups to show on the symmetry list but not on most popular?

Re: Catagolue Oddities

PostPosted: June 8th, 2018, 10:56 am
by calcyman
There is no valid reason to allow double backups.

Re: Catagolue Oddities

PostPosted: June 8th, 2018, 5:10 pm
by 77topaz
Yeah, I don't see any practical reason why you'd want to make a backup of what is already a backup, either.

Re: Catagolue Oddities

PostPosted: June 8th, 2018, 6:04 pm
by Majestas32
Other than having a backup that is more easily accessible (from the syetry list) esp. On mobile?

Re: Catagolue Oddities

PostPosted: June 10th, 2018, 8:02 pm
by 77topaz
With the rule B2i3ai4cei5c6c7/S2-ae3acein4-t5-aq6cei7c8, a lot of (C1!) sample soups don't appear to contain the objects they're supposed to contain. In particular, a majority of the soups tagged as "yl" (linear growth) don't actually produce any infinite growth when run. Because it's in the C1 symmetry, misalignment of symmetrical parts can't be to blame, so what's causing this?

Re: Catagolue Oddities

PostPosted: June 29th, 2018, 9:23 pm
by 2718281828
https://catagolue.appspot.com/object/xp ... t5-aky67c8
An oscillator which is actually a linear growth.
x = 49, y = 4, rule = B2kn3aijnr4acik8/S2n3-cek4aint5-aky67c8
45b3o$2o42b5o$2o42b5o$45b3o!

Re: Catagolue Oddities

PostPosted: June 30th, 2018, 7:46 pm
by 77topaz
It's not the linear growth pattern itself, but a predecessor of it, which may be what is confusing apgsearch. There have been similar reported high-period oscillators that actually aren't such in other rules as well.

Re: Catagolue Oddities

PostPosted: July 12th, 2018, 2:10 am
by mniemiec
The object https://catagolue.appspot.com/object/xp4_199aaooaa991/b3s23 displays the correct object and links to soups, but instead of the correct name, it shows "?p4". Perhaps somebody gave this pattern the explicit name "?p4"?

Re: Catagolue Oddities

PostPosted: July 12th, 2018, 4:25 am
by Apple Bottom
mniemiec wrote:The object https://catagolue.appspot.com/object/xp4_199aaooaa991/b3s23 displays the correct object and links to soups, but instead of the correct name, it shows "?p4". Perhaps somebody gave this pattern the explicit name "?p4"?


Yes, a few objects have names like that:

xp3_69ba99b606b99ab96z69d599d606d995d96 [4-fold]?p3
xp4_199aaooaa991 ?p4
xp5_39u0u93z0fm0mfzc97079c bookends_pair ?p5
xp5_4aarahrrharaa4 hats ?p5


AFAIK quite a few of the Catagolue names are taken from earlier censuses, e.g. Andrzej Okrasinski's and Achim Flammenkamp's. I'm not sure where specifically these came from though.

Re: Catagolue Oddities

PostPosted: August 6th, 2018, 3:34 pm
by danny
Interesting glitch:
This xq56

leaves behind pixels on my windows 10, which follow the ship. Does this work on other people's pcs?

Re: Catagolue Oddities

PostPosted: August 6th, 2018, 10:27 pm
by 77topaz
In the small preview GIF, you mean? I don't see it.

Re: Catagolue Oddities

PostPosted: August 6th, 2018, 11:44 pm
by mniemiec
danny wrote:Interesting glitch:
This xq56

leaves behind pixels on my windows 10, which follow the ship. Does this work on other people's pcs?

To me, it looks like a clean puffer that leaves puffs of disappearing smoke that spontaneously appear well below the body of the ship, - in places where births could not possibly occur in any rule.

Re: Catagolue Oddities

PostPosted: August 7th, 2018, 12:03 am
by danny
mniemiec wrote:
danny wrote:Interesting glitch:
This xq56

leaves behind pixels on my windows 10, which follow the ship. Does this work on other people's pcs?

To me, it looks like a clean puffer that leaves puffs of disappearing smoke that spontaneously appear well below the body of the ship, - in places where births could not possibly occur in any rule.

:OOO i have been noticed by the legendary Mark Niemec! I loved your CA's.

On topic, here is my PNG screenshot. I would be interested in seeing the quoted post's content, lest it be different than this photo. The lowermost black blinker-like cells start to even blink in and out of the background colour at a point.

Re: Catagolue Oddities

PostPosted: August 7th, 2018, 5:56 am
by calcyman
mniemiec wrote:
danny wrote:Interesting glitch:
This xq56

leaves behind pixels on my windows 10, which follow the ship. Does this work on other people's pcs?

To me, it looks like a clean puffer that leaves puffs of disappearing smoke that spontaneously appear well below the body of the ship, - in places where births could not possibly occur in any rule.


Isn't that simply because it's running 56 generations in 2 seconds, which is so fast that your SVG renderer actually skips frames?

I've now slowed down high-period objects to 6 generations per second in the SVG so that all transitions are visible:

http://catagolue.appspot.com/census/b3s23/C1/xp46

Re: Catagolue Oddities

PostPosted: August 12th, 2018, 9:40 am
by wwei23
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What the heck happened here?

Re: Catagolue Oddities

PostPosted: August 12th, 2018, 11:36 am
by Apple Bottom
wwei23 wrote:What the heck happened here?


Looks like the stylesheet didn't load properly. Move along, nothing to see here.

Re: Catagolue Oddities

PostPosted: August 15th, 2018, 5:40 am
by 77topaz

Re: Catagolue Oddities

PostPosted: August 23rd, 2018, 8:04 pm
by wwei23
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Apple Bottom wrote:
wwei23 wrote:What the heck happened here?


Looks like the stylesheet didn't load properly. Move along, nothing to see here.

This time the page loaded half right. But how do you load half a stylesheet properly?

Re: Catagolue Oddities

PostPosted: August 24th, 2018, 3:48 am
by Apple Bottom
wwei23 wrote:This time the page loaded half right. But how do you load half a stylesheet properly?


Could you be so kind and stop posting this sort of thing? It's hardly relevant, and not worth notifying every single last subscriber to the thread of.

Re: Catagolue Oddities

PostPosted: August 24th, 2018, 7:31 am
by 77topaz
Yeah, it's just caused by browser issues rather than anything going wrong with Catagolue itself.

Re: Catagolue Oddities

PostPosted: August 25th, 2018, 10:42 pm
by testitemqlstudop
Majestas32 wrote:b3s23"); DROP TABLE objects; --

https://www.xkcd.com/327/

Re: Catagolue Oddities

PostPosted: August 26th, 2018, 12:16 am
by 77topaz
testitemqlstudop wrote:
Majestas32 wrote:b3s23"); DROP TABLE objects; --

https://www.xkcd.com/327/


Yes, I'm certain that's what he was referencing.

Re: Catagolue Oddities

PostPosted: August 26th, 2018, 1:16 am
by testitemqlstudop
I'll be honest - I was confused about how the peer-reviewing part of the apgsearch client worked, so I went to the source of apgsearch and made it report that I did a trillion soups for each haul of a million soups.
I ran it for a while and it was quite hilarious that on the Catagolue website it displayed my "hauls".
I was confused how my hauls even made it onto the Catagolue website without my IP being banned (somehow).
The next day, however, the hauls were erased.

I'm not sure if anyone remembers this, since it was a year or two ago...
:roll:

Re: Catagolue Oddities

PostPosted: August 26th, 2018, 7:58 am
by Saka
Both apgmera AND Catagolue messed up on this.
Apgsearch AND Catagolue really messed up here odd
https://catagolue.appspot.com/object/xp ... 3-enq4cint

It's a sqrt/log (I dont know which) but apgsearch labeled it as oscillator and Catagolue says it's valid and is indeed an oscillator...

Re: Catagolue Oddities

PostPosted: August 26th, 2018, 8:03 am
by 77topaz
I think the reason it has a normal-looking Catagolue page is because automatically-checking-if-an-apgcode-is-valid function of Catagolue isn't performed for periods of 100 and over (presumably because it would take too long). Replacing the xp293 in the URL with xp100 returns a similar normal-looking page, while xp99 gives the expected apgcode-is-not-valid error page.