## Catagolue Oddities

For general discussion about Conway's Game of Life.

### Re: Catagolue Oddities

77topaz wrote:I see the one soup is coloured pink, which suggests it's some odd symmetry (inflated, maybe?); that could have to do with it.

1x256X2+1, actually, one of wwei's own.
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What does that symmetry code even mean? Is it two 1x256 lines with one empty row between them? Catagolue loads the sample soup as if it's just a regular 16x16 soup.

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Remove all the dollar signs, paste at 0,0, paste reflected at 256,0.

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Here's one.
EDIT:
EDIT 3: Try out the special new input field at the very bottom of this page.
EDIT 4: You should know better by now.
EDIT 5: https://catagolue.appspot.com/object?apgcode=xp0_--%3E&rule=%3C%21--
The Chrome XSS auditor is actually very good — it doesn't let me do anything that would have the potential to compromise the site itself that I've found. Not that that's what I'm trying to do, of course.
x₁=ηx
V ⃰_η=c²√(Λη)
K=(Λu²)/2
Pₐ=1−1/(∫^∞_t₀(p(t)ˡ⁽ᵗ⁾)dt)

$$x_1=\eta x$$
$$V^*_\eta=c^2\sqrt{\Lambda\eta}$$
$$K=\frac{\Lambda u^2}2$$
$$P_a=1-\frac1{\int^\infty_{t_0}p(t)^{l(t)}dt}$$

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Changing the rule to Catagolue has an interesting effect, strange.
EDIT: This one just does not [url=https://catagolue.appspot.com/object?apgcode=xp0_%22%3E%3Ca+href%3D%22%2Fobject%2Fxq_praiseCalcyman%2Fb3s23%3Eq%3C%2Fa%3E&rule=%%]work.[/url] Oddly, the link does not show up in the URL tags properly.
I and wildmyron manage the 5S project, which collects all known spaceship speeds in Isotropic Non-totalistic rules.

Things to work on:
- Find a (7,1)c/8 ship in a Non-totalistic rule
- Finish a rule with ships with period >= f_e_0(n) (in progress)
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I'm not sure deliberately messing with the site's structure-code counts as a Catagolue oddity.

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If you're the person that uploaded to Sakagolue illegally, please PM me.
x = 17, y = 10, rule = B3/S23b2ob2obo5b2o$11b4obo$2bob3o2bo2b3o$bo3b2o4b2o$o2bo2bob2o3b4o$bob2obo5bo2b2o$2b2o4bobo2b3o$bo3b5ob2obobo$2bo5bob2o$4bob2o2bobobo! (Check gen 2) Saka Posts: 3075 Joined: June 19th, 2015, 8:50 pm Location: In the kingdom of Sultan Hamengkubuwono X ### Re: Catagolue Oddities AforAmpere wrote:Changing the rule to Catagolue has an interesting effect, strange. That's a nice one — getting Catagolue to generate a hacked link to itself. Also: This url isn't caught by Chrome's XSS auditor. Maybe it's time for @Calcyman to implement good input sanitization? — this could possibly be used to actually hack the site. For reference, here is the rule used: b3s23"); alert("Hello! . The constraints of the format do mean that only a restricted subset of JavaScript can be injected, where b, s, uppercase letters, /, &, and ? are disallowed, if I'm reasoning right. However, this would seem to still be enough to do potential damage to the site. x₁=ηx V ⃰_η=c²√(Λη) K=(Λu²)/2 Pₐ=1−1/(∫^∞_t₀(p(t)ˡ⁽ᵗ⁾)dt) $$x_1=\eta x$$ $$V^*_\eta=c^2\sqrt{\Lambda\eta}$$ $$K=\frac{\Lambda u^2}2$$ $$P_a=1-\frac1{\int^\infty_{t_0}p(t)^{l(t)}dt}$$ http://conwaylife.com/wiki/A_for_all Aidan F. Pierce A for awesome Posts: 1861 Joined: September 13th, 2014, 5:36 pm Location: 0x-1 ### Re: Catagolue Oddities b3s23"); DROP TABLE objects; -- Please, stop spam searching Snowflakes. Majestas32 Posts: 524 Joined: November 20th, 2017, 12:22 pm Location: 'Merica ### Re: Catagolue Oddities Majestas32 wrote:b3s23"); DROP TABLE objects; -- Catagolue doesn't use SQL. If you speak, your speech must be better than your silence would have been. — Arabian proverb Catagolue: Apple Bottom • Life Wiki: Apple Bottom • Twitter: @_AppleBottom_ Proud member of the Pattern Raiders! Apple Bottom Posts: 1025 Joined: July 27th, 2015, 2:06 pm ### Re: Catagolue Oddities Somehow, when you hover over the blue links, it shows that the link URL is the formatting of the page: Here. Meta. I and wildmyron manage the 5S project, which collects all known spaceship speeds in Isotropic Non-totalistic rules. Things to work on: - Find a (7,1)c/8 ship in a Non-totalistic rule - Finish a rule with ships with period >= f_e_0(n) (in progress) AforAmpere Posts: 1041 Joined: July 1st, 2016, 3:58 pm ### Re: Catagolue Oddities Here's a LifeViewer hack: The rule is b3s23"); var prerle = "#\u0043 [[ \u0041\u004E\u0047\u004C\u0045 45 ]] <\u0062r>\n"; if(0)// Example page EDIT: Blank Catagolue page Rule: b3s23"); eval("document.get\u0045lementBy\u0049d('container').inner\u0048\u0054\u004D\u004C=''");// x₁=ηx V ⃰_η=c²√(Λη) K=(Λu²)/2 Pₐ=1−1/(∫^∞_t₀(p(t)ˡ⁽ᵗ⁾)dt) $$x_1=\eta x$$ $$V^*_\eta=c^2\sqrt{\Lambda\eta}$$ $$K=\frac{\Lambda u^2}2$$ $$P_a=1-\frac1{\int^\infty_{t_0}p(t)^{l(t)}dt}$$ http://conwaylife.com/wiki/A_for_all Aidan F. Pierce A for awesome Posts: 1861 Joined: September 13th, 2014, 5:36 pm Location: 0x-1 ### Re: Catagolue Oddities That tilted rule hack is pretty nice. 77topaz Posts: 1345 Joined: January 12th, 2018, 9:19 pm ### Re: Catagolue Oddities wwei23 Posts: 936 Joined: May 22nd, 2017, 6:14 pm Location: The (Life?) Universe ### Re: Catagolue Oddities wwei23 wrote:<snip> Original Saka_Test haul. If you're the person that uploaded to Sakagolue illegally, please PM me. x = 17, y = 10, rule = B3/S23b2ob2obo5b2o$11b4obo$2bob3o2bo2b3o$bo3b2o4b2o$o2bo2bob2o3b4o$bob2obo5bo2b2o$2b2o4bobo2b3o$bo3b5ob2obobo$2bo5bob2o$4bob2o2bobobo!

(Check gen 2)

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Saka wrote:
wwei23 wrote:<snip>

Original Saka_Test haul.

Wow! You discovered the Neutrino - a massless spaceship!
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BlockFloodTest is on the way to overtaking B3s23/C1. Good job wwei23!

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Majestas32 wrote:BlockFloodTest is on the way to overtaking B3s23/C1. Good job wwei23!

Thanks!
I noticed something strange: B3/S23/C1 gets hauls every few minutes. But isn't that rate too fast? I thought hauls shouldn't be submitted that fast.

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wwei23 wrote:
Majestas32 wrote:BlockFloodTest is on the way to overtaking B3s23/C1. Good job wwei23!

Thanks!

You should stop. BlockFlood brings nothing interesting or exciting to the table at all, it's just a spam symmetry. At least Saka_Test tests things with the website, while this rule seems to be about spamming the leaderboards. I'm all for rules gaining lots of soups (I kept searching Snowflakes for that reason), but this 'symmetry' does nothing good for the site whatsoever.

Plus, I recall calcyman saying something about rules overtaking Life breaking the website, and he's most likely had enough of your shenanigans.

I thought you were trying to get better, wwei. :/
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danny wrote:Plus, I recall calcyman saying something about rules overtaking Life breaking the website, and he's most likely had enough of your shenanigans.

Yes, the barcharts on user pages search for the largest 20 backup censuses (which is possible because there's a size index) and assume that they're the last 20 backups of b3s23/C1. So if the object count is surpassed by another rule, this will get messed up. Similarly, if the number of objects in b3s23/C1 ever decreases (e.g. as a result of a correction haul), then the dates at the bottom may appear in an unusual order.

Doing things properly would require another search index, using more disk space.

So if a census ever becomes larger than b3s23/C1, you better not make a backup of it.
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calcyman wrote:
danny wrote:Plus, I recall calcyman saying something about rules overtaking Life breaking the website, and he's most likely had enough of your shenanigans.

Yes, the barcharts on user pages search for the largest 20 backup censuses (which is possible because there's a size index) and assume that they're the last 20 backups of b3s23/C1. So if the object count is surpassed by another rule, this will get messed up. Similarly, if the number of objects in b3s23/C1 ever decreases (e.g. as a result of a correction haul), then the dates at the bottom may appear in an unusual order.

Doing things properly would require another search index, using more disk space.

So if a census ever becomes larger than b3s23/C1, you better not make a backup of it.

I don’t need to back it up, because it’s an All Block. Get it?

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Seems it's gone. Rip

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Catagolue has glider syntheses for this but not this
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Theyare both there for me?

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