That's probably a good thing. I obviously didn't intend to harm with this link, just wanted to point out that the HTML-on-Catagolue chroniccals reference weren't overA for awesome wrote:Now Chrome blocks as unsafe (which is good because I added an event handler to one of your input fields, which could easily be used for nefarious purposes).drc wrote:that's not good
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ov_s16. I thought this was a 1x256X2_+1 type problem but it seems to be an apgsearch-related flaw.
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That's because I pasted the rule as you posted it here.Saka wrote:So there are both b2k3-ckqy4ej5q6in7-cs2-cin3-acqy4iqty5cejk6c7-e8 and b2k3-ckqy4ej5q6in7es2aek3-acqy4iqty5cejk6c7c8
Catagolue itself (probably) doesn't attempt to do any kind of "normalization" on rules, instead just accepting whatever you feed it. And you're using a different (older) version of the soup search script, and (maybe) a different Golly version as well.
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Yes, I still use the nontotalistic rule generator, because for some reason, if I search, say, B2i3/S1e3, it will search B23/S13.Apple Bottom wrote:
That's because I pasted the rule as you posted it here.
Catagolue itself (probably) doesn't attempt to do any kind of "normalization" on rules, instead just accepting whatever you feed it. And you're using a different (older) version of the soup search script, and (maybe) a different Golly version as well.
Oh and please keep searching!
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Another oddity: lists of symmetries for a given rule are limited to 40 symmetries.
For instance, b3s23 fails to list WW25_c.
For instance, b3s23 fails to list WW25_c.
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It would be nice if only official symmetries were listed in the first place.
Maybe this could mean that test symmetries would be listed somewhere else?
Maybe this could mean that test symmetries would be listed somewhere else?
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I don't think it would be a good idea of suppressing mention of other symmetries altogether (doubly so since Calcyman has explicitely encouraged people to use Catagolue for things other than traditional soup-searching), but I sure could get behind the official ones being marked as such.muzik wrote:It would be nice if only official symmetries were listed in the first place.
(Actually, that could easily be done in the browser extension.)
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Another minus sign puffer. It appears this one (and probably the examples in Day & Night posted by muzik earlier in this thread) are caused by the end destabilizing at just the right moment to be counted as a puffer, but also to be dropping in population at the same time.
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Wait, isn't muzik running bootstrap percolation?drc wrote:That's not good.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bootstrap_percolation
If so, I'd expect xs256s in almost all cases, with a 1/2^14 frequency of xs240s, and a 1/2^29 frequency of xs225s, and a 1/2^30 frequency of xs224s. That is totally consistent with the empirical observations.
(Admittedly, I'm not Bollobás, so my estimates may be erroneous; if so, I'll ask him next time I visit one of his parties.)
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I'd say the problem's more relating to the fact that every single individual transition is listed in the rulestring without being simplified and it completely breaks the rule listings page.calcyman wrote:Wait, isn't muzik running bootstrap percolation?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bootstrap_percolation
If so, I'd expect xs256s in almost all cases, with a 1/2^14 frequency of xs240s, and a 1/2^29 frequency of xs225s, and a 1/2^30 frequency of xs224s. That is totally consistent with the empirical observations.
(Admittedly, I'm not Bollobás, so my estimates may be erroneous; if so, I'll ask him next time I visit one of his parties.)
The rule being simulated here is really B2-ac3-i45678/S012345678.
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Oh come on muzik! B4wwwwwww?
Please remove the troublesome rule names, calcyman, and replace them with something like "Muzik was naughty" or something.
Please remove the troublesome rule names, calcyman, and replace them with something like "Muzik was naughty" or something.
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It would be better if catagolue and/or the hacked version of apgsearch were to check the names of rules, and then attempt to simplify them, preferably sorting the transitions into alphabetical order. Since right now you can create multiple different censuses for the same rule.Saka wrote:Oh come on muzik! B4wwwwwww?
Please remove the troublesome rule names, calcyman, and replace them with something like "Muzik was naughty" or something.
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That's the job of the client program, i.e. Aidan F Pierce's 'hacked apgsearch'. Catagolue is permissive by design, allowing arbitrary rules.muzik wrote:It would be better if catagolue and/or the hacked version of apgsearch were to check the names of rules, and then attempt to simplify them, preferably sorting the transitions into alphabetical order. Since right now you can create multiple different censuses for the same rule.Saka wrote:Oh come on muzik! B4wwwwwww?
Please remove the troublesome rule names, calcyman, and replace them with something like "Muzik was naughty" or something.
Moreover, apgluxe demands that rules be canonical (i.e. no b3s2233223333, or range-1 LtL rules, or any other abominations falling foul of rule2asm's regex checks). I'm about halfway through writing the isotropic backend for apgluxe, after which v4.x will finally dominate all previous versions.
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Exciting!
I assume that the non-totalistic rules will be automatically corrected to have their transitions set in a specific order so we don't have 53 censuses for a single rule?
I assume that the non-totalistic rules will be automatically corrected to have their transitions set in a specific order so we don't have 53 censuses for a single rule?
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Very exciting development! I'm glad to see that we are able to see the haul size, too, it really helps gauge how many soups should be in a haul. 1000000 has worked wonders for my B2-ac3i4a/S12 rule, and I'm excited to see what apgluxe can do in terms of non-totalistic searching.calcyman wrote:I'm about halfway through writing the isotropic backend for apgluxe, after which v4.x will finally dominate all previous versions.
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Cant wait for nontotalistic. Hope works for me
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Here's a quick patch to do that:calcyman wrote:That's the job of the client program, i.e. Aidan F Pierce's 'hacked apgsearch'.muzik wrote:It would be better if catagolue and/or the hacked version of apgsearch were to check the names of rules, and then attempt to simplify them, preferably sorting the transitions into alphabetical order. Since right now you can create multiple different censuses for the same rule.
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if g2_8:
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rulestring = g.getrule()
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A haul has been uploaded in the symmetry b3s23/%3Cmarqueee%3E%3Cinput%3E%3Cmarquee%3E%3Cinput%3E%3Cmarquee%3E%3Cinput%20onfocus%3D%22function()%7Balert(%22Q%22)%3B%22%7D%3E%3Cmarquee%3E%3Cinput%3E%3Cmarquee%3E%3Cinput%3Es23-ae4i. Looks like someone wanted to see if drc's html trick worked in the census. Evidently it did not. Strangely, the actual haul doesn't exist.
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It does http://catagolue.appspot.com/census/b3s23/%253Cmarqueee%253E%253Cinput%253E%253Cmarquee%253E%253Cinput%253E%253Cmarquee%253E%253Cinput%2520onfocus%253D%2522function()%257Balert(%2522Q%2522)%253B%2522%257D%253E%253Cmarquee%253E%253Cinput%253E%253Cmarquee%253E%253Cinput%253Es23-ae4itoroidalet wrote:A haul has been uploaded in the symmetry b3s23/%3Cmarqueee%3E%3Cinput%3E%3Cmarquee%3E%3Cinput%3E%3Cmarquee%3E%3Cinput%20onfocus%3D%22function()%7Balert(%22Q%22)%3B%22%7D%3E%3Cmarquee%3E%3Cinput%3E%3Cmarquee%3E%3Cinput%3Es23-ae4i. Looks like someone wanted to see if drc's html trick worked in the census. Evidently it did not. Strangely, the actual haul doesn't exist.
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Calcyman seems to have changed this, BTW, and the B3/S23's list of symmetries now lists all 43 that are currently known.
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Catagolue now deletes any census which doesn't abide by the Catagolue naming conventions:
http://conwaylife.com/wiki/Catagolue_naming_conventions
I checked beforehand, and only 4 censuses were deleted:
https://catagolue.appspot.com/census/b3s23
Also, /hashsoup officially supports different topologies (although no search programs can deal with them yet):
https://catagolue.appspot.com/hashsoup/ ... 0280/b3s23
Again, refer to the naming conventions to incorporate your favourite Golly topology into a Catagolue symmetry string.
http://conwaylife.com/wiki/Catagolue_naming_conventions
I checked beforehand, and only 4 censuses were deleted:
- The marquee census
- 25%
- 75%
- That census which had a space instead of an underscore in the symmetry
https://catagolue.appspot.com/census/b3s23
Also, /hashsoup officially supports different topologies (although no search programs can deal with them yet):
https://catagolue.appspot.com/hashsoup/ ... 0280/b3s23
Again, refer to the naming conventions to incorporate your favourite Golly topology into a Catagolue symmetry string.
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So much innovation!calcyman wrote:Also, /hashsoup officially supports different topologies (although no search programs can deal with them yet):
https://catagolue.appspot.com/hashsoup/ ... 0280/b3s23
It actually shouldn't be very difficult to modify apgsearch 1.x to support bounded grids, should it? I might try that myself, for testing purposes if nothing else.
EDIT: more difficult than I naively assumed, so I'll leave it to someone more capable for now.
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Inflated censuses aren't correctly bolded.
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