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Re: Catagolue Discussion Thread

Postby muzik » January 12th, 2018, 9:55 am

A link back to the corresponding LifeWiki article on each applicable page seems like a neat addition for anyone interested in the history/applications/etc. of certain patterns.

Also, maybe "This pattern is a x", "This pattern is periodic with period x", etc. could link to the respective lifewiki pages as well.
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Re: Catagolue Discussion Thread

Postby calcyman » January 13th, 2018, 12:37 pm

RLEs are now displayed for all rules beginning with 'b'.
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Re: Catagolue Discussion Thread

Postby Majestas32 » January 13th, 2018, 1:25 pm

@rowett should add Theme 12 to normal lifeviewer
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Re: Catagolue Discussion Thread

Postby tod222 » January 19th, 2018, 11:52 am

muzik wrote:Is it just me or are blue hauls in Life no longer a thing?

I've seen red, green, and blue hauls. What do the colors mean?
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Re: Catagolue Discussion Thread

Postby 77topaz » January 24th, 2018, 3:44 am

muzik wrote:First outer-totalistic rule on Catagolue with B2 but no B0:
https://catagolue.appspot.com/census/b2 ... se1x8_test


Did you have apgsearch just run the same 1x8 line 10000 times and call that a haul? :?
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Re: Catagolue Discussion Thread

Postby danny » January 24th, 2018, 8:34 pm

77topaz wrote:Did you have apgsearch just run the same 1x8 line 10000 times and call that a haul? :?

Yeah, that doesn't count in my opinion.
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Re: Catagolue Discussion Thread

Postby 2718281828 » January 26th, 2018, 8:55 am

I am relatively new to the Catagolue but I am confused with some of my soups. It appears that for C2_2 the pattern that should be in my soup are not in there.

E.g. this still life
https://catagolue.appspot.com/object/xs ... fgkc/b3s23
should be in this soup
x = 31, y = 32, rule = B3/S23
obbbboobobbboboobbbbbbbbbbbbbbb$
oobbboobbobooobbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbb$
boobooooobbbbobobbbbbbbbbbbbbbb$
boobooboooobbobobbbbbbbbbbbbbbb$
obooooooobobobbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbb$
booobboobbbbbboobbbbbbbbbbbbbbb$
bobboobboooobobbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbb$
obobbbooboobbooobbbbbbbbbbbbbbb$
oobobbooboobboobbbbbbbbbbbbbbbb$
oooooobbbbbbboobbbbbbbbbbbbbbbb$
boooobobbobbbooobbbbbbbbbbbbbbb$
bbooooooobboobbobbbbbbbbbbbbbbb$
booobooobooboobobbbbbbbbbbbbbbb$
bbbbbobbbooobooobbbbbbbbbbbbbbb$
boobbbboobooobbobbbbbbbbbbbbbbb$
bbobobbboooboobbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbb$
bbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbboobooobbbobobb$
bbbbbbbbbbbbbbbobboooboobbbboob$
bbbbbbbbbbbbbbbooobooobbbobbbbb$
bbbbbbbbbbbbbbbobooboobooobooob$
bbbbbbbbbbbbbbbobboobbooooooobb$
bbbbbbbbbbbbbbbooobbbobboboooob$
bbbbbbbbbbbbbbbboobbbbbbboooooo$
bbbbbbbbbbbbbbbboobbooboobboboo$
bbbbbbbbbbbbbbbooobbooboobbbobo$
bbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbboboooobboobbob$
bbbbbbbbbbbbbbboobbbbbboobbooob$
bbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbobobooooooobo$
bbbbbbbbbbbbbbbobobboooobooboob$
bbbbbbbbbbbbbbbobobbbboooooboob$
bbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbooobobboobbboo$
bbbbbbbbbbbbbbboobobbboboobbbbo!

but I don't see it.

This also happens for various other objects like this p4 oscillator:
https://catagolue.appspot.com/object/xp ... 33w7/b3s23
x = 31, y = 32, rule = B3/S23
bobbbbobobbbbboobbbbbbbbbbbbbbb$
bbbbooboobbboooobbbbbbbbbbbbbbb$
obbobboobbbbbbbobbbbbbbbbbbbbbb$
bboobbbooboooooobbbbbbbbbbbbbbb$
bbobbooboobooboobbbbbbbbbbbbbbb$
bboobbbboobboooobbbbbbbbbbbbbbb$
bobooboobobboooobbbbbbbbbbbbbbb$
bobooboooobbobbobbbbbbbbbbbbbbb$
obbbobooboobbbbobbbbbbbbbbbbbbb$
obbooobbbbooobbobbbbbbbbbbbbbbb$
bbooobobobobbbbobbbbbbbbbbbbbbb$
oobbooobbobbobobbbbbbbbbbbbbbbb$
ooooboobbobbooobbbbbbbbbbbbbbbb$
oooobbbooobbbobbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbb$
obooboobobobobbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbb$
bboooboooboooobobbbbbbbbbbbbbbb$
bbbbbbbbbbbbbbboboooobooobooobb$
bbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbobobobooboobo$
bbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbobbbooobbboooo$
bbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbooobbobbooboooo$
bbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbobobbobbooobboo$
bbbbbbbbbbbbbbbobbbbobobobooobb$
bbbbbbbbbbbbbbbobbooobbbbooobbo$
bbbbbbbbbbbbbbbobbbbooboobobbbo$
bbbbbbbbbbbbbbbobbobbooooboobob$
bbbbbbbbbbbbbbboooobbobooboobob$
bbbbbbbbbbbbbbboooobboobbbboobb$
bbbbbbbbbbbbbbbooboobooboobbobb$
bbbbbbbbbbbbbbbooooooboobbboobb$
bbbbbbbbbbbbbbbobbbbbbboobbobbo$
bbbbbbbbbbbbbbboooobbbooboobbbb$
bbbbbbbbbbbbbbboobbbbbobobbbbob!


The question is, if I am doing something wrong, or if something is wrong with my apgsearch?

For C1 soups everything is fine, e.g. this still life:
https://catagolue.appspot.com/object/xs ... a871/b3s23
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Re: Catagolue Discussion Thread

Postby Saka » January 26th, 2018, 9:10 am

Strange things have been happening with APGSearch. Reporting valid objects that don't actually appear in the soup.

No one really knows what's happening.
Someone should search D2_x, D2+1, and D2+2 and see if any new ships pop up from unrelated soups.
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x = 17, y = 10, rule = B3/S23
b2ob2obo5b2o$11b4obo$2bob3o2bo2b3o$bo3b2o4b2o$o2bo2bob2o3b4o$bob2obo5b
o2b2o$2b2o4bobo2b3o$bo3b5ob2obobo$2bo5bob2o$4bob2o2bobobo!

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Re: Catagolue Discussion Thread

Postby Apple Bottom » January 26th, 2018, 12:20 pm

Saka wrote:Strange things have been happening with APGSearch. Reporting valid objects that don't actually appear in the soup.

No one really knows what's happening.


FWIW, this only seems to be happening with apgluxe 4.x. So perhaps for the time being, it would be advisable to switch back to 3.28, at least for semi-totalistic rules.
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Re: Catagolue Discussion Thread

Postby Majestas32 » January 26th, 2018, 1:50 pm

I'm sorry I ruined apgsearch (4.24 was built because of my generations rule apgsearching)
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Re: Catagolue Discussion Thread

Postby Apple Bottom » February 8th, 2018, 1:27 pm

A not-so-minor-after-all milestone -- Catagolue's got more than 4,000 distinct rulestrings in its database now. The exact number is 4,002 at the moment.

This is not the same as distinct rules, mind, due to a lack of rulestring folding/normalization/canonicalization on Catagolue's part; for instance, b37cs23 and b37-es23 refer to the same the same CA, but the resulting censuses are not merged. And that's not counting results deliberately submitted by certain jokesters -- results for such rulestrings as b3s232323222332aceikn3232333 or b3aijnqrkyces2ainkce3aijnqrkyce, say, both of which are actually Conway Life in disguise.

I don't know how many distinct rules there are right now. Finding out would be easy enough, though. FWIW I also don't know which one the 4,000th rulestring was, but the last five additions were, in no particular order:

b2ce3-ce4ces2ce3-ce4ce
b2e3ai4t5e6ciks1c2-a3-a4-aeit5ikr
b2ein3aikq67es1c23-nqr4ci6ci
b2n3acijn4ijkntz5ijkq6ace8s2eik3-ckqy4yz5kr
b3-ckq5cs2-c34ci


so if you wanted to, you could check which had its first hauls submitted when, and thus find out which one was number 4,000.

Anyhow, congrats to all involved, and a BIG thanks to Calcyman, whose efforts enabled the collection of all this incredibly valuable data in the first place.
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Re: Catagolue Discussion Thread

Postby danny » February 19th, 2018, 2:22 pm

Snowflakes just made it to the most popular list! Mostly thanks to 2718281828. If I recall correctly it is the first rule to ever achieve this.

Unfortunately, that means the formatting of the site is screwed up, until calcyman fixes it.
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Re: Catagolue Discussion Thread

Postby 77topaz » February 19th, 2018, 5:53 pm

danny wrote:If I recall correctly it is the first rule to ever achieve this.


You mean the first non-totalistic rule, right?

danny wrote:Unfortunately, that means the formatting of the site is screwed up, until calcyman fixes it.


The list of censuses, specifically.
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Re: Catagolue Discussion Thread

Postby 77topaz » February 20th, 2018, 4:20 am

Two features I would like to see on Catagolue:

  • Being able to see discovery lists for all rules, not just b3s23.
  • A page for each user that lists all the censuses they have contributed to.
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Re: Catagolue Discussion Thread

Postby cordership3 » February 22nd, 2018, 10:12 am

I'd like to see a version of the "apgsearch haul requests" thread on catagolue.
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Re: Catagolue Discussion Thread

Postby Apple Bottom » February 24th, 2018, 8:18 am

Catagolue's B3/S23/C1 census recently passed 10 trillion (or billion, depending on how you count) soups, BTW -- quite an accomplishment, congratulations to all contributors, and extra-special congratulation and thanks to Calcyman for running the whole thing.
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Re: Catagolue Discussion Thread

Postby cordership3 » March 5th, 2018, 6:03 pm

Wait, don't you mean B38/S23?
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Re: Catagolue Discussion Thread

Postby 77topaz » March 5th, 2018, 6:21 pm

cordership3 wrote:Wait, don't you mean B38/S23?


No, he said soups, not objects. The b38s23/C1 census has 10 trillion objects, but only 687 billion soups.
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Re: Catagolue Discussion Thread

Postby cordership3 » March 5th, 2018, 10:10 pm

Oops, my bad. Then again, B38/S23/C1 did reach 10 trillion objects quite recently, I assume.

Also wanted to ask where you could view census backups.
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Re: Catagolue Discussion Thread

Postby 77topaz » March 6th, 2018, 12:04 am

cordership3 wrote:Also wanted to ask where you could view census backups.


There exists a mirror site which has been mentioned on these forums (its what apgsearch attempts to access if it can't reach catagolue.appspot.com). I don't recall what it is off the top of my head, but I'll let you know if I find out.

EDIT: It's gol.hatsya.co.uk, though I see Danny already answered that in the time I was looking for it.
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Re: Catagolue Discussion Thread

Postby danny » March 6th, 2018, 12:06 am

77topaz wrote:There exists a mirror site which has been mentioned on these forums (its what apgsearch attempts to access if it can't reach catagolue.appspot.com). I don't recall what it is off the top of my head, but I'll let you know if I find out.


That would be http://gol.hatsya.co.uk/home
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Re: Catagolue Discussion Thread

Postby Apple Bottom » March 6th, 2018, 6:43 am

cordership3 wrote:Also wanted to ask where you could view census backups.


On Catagolue itself. For instance, here's the backup of B3/S23/C1 for 2018-01-01.

Note that only B3/S23/C1 has backups generated automatically every day; for other rules/symmetries, you have to tell Catagolue that you want it to create a backup. See the LifeWiki for more information.
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Re: Catagolue Discussion Thread

Postby 77topaz » March 7th, 2018, 6:21 am

In this thread, another user reports a weird bug where he is unable to submit hauls as anything but "Anonymous", even with a valid Payosha key.
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Re: Catagolue Discussion Thread

Postby fluffykitty » March 8th, 2018, 5:02 pm

The LifeViewer thumbnails aren't animated.
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Re: Catagolue Discussion Thread

Postby Majestas32 » March 8th, 2018, 5:44 pm

I kinda like that since I kinda wanna see what the canonical phase looks like.

Not like the SVG's work on my computer but...
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