Methuselah based spaceships

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Methuselah based spaceships

Post by Dr. Monstaa » January 20th, 2012, 4:19 pm

Have been looking at B-Heptomino and House and have seen that both are periodical if only their debris didn't destroy them. I'd like to see these or any other methuselah as a spaceship engine. :)
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Re: Methuselah based spaceships

Post by Sokwe » January 20th, 2012, 8:56 pm

First of all, the term "house" is generally used when referring to the pattern as an induction coil. Otherwise, it is merely generation 3 of the pi-heptomino. It has been known since the early days of Life that a variation of the pi-heptomino reproduces itself after 30 generations, translated "forward" by 9 cells. There has been speculation over the years that this property could be used to make a 3c/10 spaceship, but not much progress has been made towards this goal. A bit more information can be found in this Life News article.

There is also the possibility of some other caterpillar-like ships based on some non-destructive fuses. The following (1,13)c/31 fuse has been known for quite a while (shown supported by blocks or gliders):

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x = 158, y = 299, rule = B3/S23
46$123b2o$123b2o12$124b2o$124b2o12$125b2o$125b2o12$126b2o$126b2o12$
127b2o$127b2o5$123b3o$123bo2bo$123bob2o4$125b2o$123b4o$122bo2bo$122bob
o$122bobo3$122bo$122bobo$122b2o19$115bobo$115b2o$116bo18$109bo$108bo$
108b3o19$103bo$101b2o$102b2o19$95bo$95bobo$95b2o19$88bobo$88b2o$89bo
18$82bo$81bo$81b3o$77b3o$77bo2bo$76bo$79b2o$75bo3b2o$75bo$77bo$77b3o$
78b2o$79bo$77b2o$76bobo$75bo3bo$77b2o6$74bo$74bobo$74b2o!
Based on this, here is a non-destructive fuse that releases a wave of gliders:

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x = 92, y = 323, rule = B3/S23
78bo$77bobo$78b2o6$85b2o$85b2o4$79bo$78bobo$79b2o6$86b2o$86b2o4$80bo$
79bobo$80b2o6$87b2o$87b2o4$81bo$80bobo$81b2o6$88b2o$88b2o4$82bo$81bobo
$82b2o6$89b2o$89b2o4$83bo$82bobo$83b2o$79bo$78b3o$77b2o2bo$77bo3bo$77b
obo$90b2o$78b2ob2o7b2o$80bo4$77b4o$76bobobo$77bo3$86b3o$77bo7bo2bo$75b
2o8bo2bo$76b2o$84b2o$83bo2bo$83bo2bo$86bo15$69bo$69bobo$69b2o2$82bo$
80b2o$81b2o15$62bobo$62b2o$63bo2$71bo$69b2ob2o$69b2o$69b2ob2o3$72b2o$
72b2o2$74bo$69b2ob2obo$69b2o4b2o$72b2ob2o$74bo3$56bo$55bo9bo$55b3o6b3o
$63b2o2bo$63bo$62b2o$61bo$61b4o$63b2o10$68bo$68bo2$50bo7bo$48b2o7b3o$
49b2o5bo2b2o2$55b2o$55b2o$54bo2bo$56b3o10$52bo$51b3o$50b2o2bo$51b5o$
42bo8b5o$42bobo7bo$42b2o6bobo$49bob2o$49bobo$48b3o$48bobo$49b4o$50b3o$
51bo7$45bo$44b3o$43bo2b2o3$35bobo$35b2o9b2o$36bo7b3o$43bo$43b3o$44b2o
3$43bobo$43b2o$44bo2$39bo$38b3o$37b2o2bo$37bo3bo$37bobo2$38b2ob2o$40bo
$29bo$28bo$28b3o$37b4o$36bobobo$37bo4$37bo$35b2o$36b2o10$23bo$21b2o$
22b2o4$17bo$16b3o$15bo2b2o$15bo3bo6bo$16b2obo4b2ob2o$18b2o4b2o$24b2ob
2o4$14bo2b2o$14bobobo$15bo11b2o$27b2o3$14bobo$14b2o5bo$15bo4bobo$21b2o
6$28b2o$28b2o4$22bo$21bobo$22b2o4$8bo$7bo$7b3o19b2o$29b2o4$23bo$22bobo
$23b2o6$30b2o$30b2o4$24bo$2bo20bobo$2o22b2o$b2o5$31b2o$31b2o!
Unfortunately, current technology related to this fuse may be insufficient to show that a caterpillar-like spaceship can be constructed.

Nicolay Beluchenko found a (5,23)c/79 fuse that looks like a likely candidate for a caterpillar-like spaceship:

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x = 140, y = 232, rule = B3/S23
138bo$137bo$137b3o41$114bo$112b2o$113b2o41$88bo$88bobo$88b2o41$63bobo$
63b2o$64bo40$39bo$38bo$38b3o41$15bo$13b2o$14b2o13$3o$bo$b3o!
The gliders can be replaced with loaves, beehives, boats and tubs:

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x = 30, y = 104, rule = B3/S23
28bo$27bobo$28bo21$22b2o$22bobo$23bo20$18bo$17bobo$17bobo$18bo20$13b2o
$12bo2bo$12bobo$13bo20$8bo$7bobo$7bo2bo$8b2o7$3o$bo$b3o!
Here are some reactions found by Nicolay Beluchenko and Jason Summers:

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x = 1291, y = 598, rule = B3/S23
1290bo$1288b2o$49bo207bo149bo881b2o$48bobo205bo149bo$49bo206b3o147b3o$
810bo$810bobo$810b2o9$1228bo$569bo656b2o$569bobo655b2o$569b2o4$69bo$
68bobo$44bo24bo$43bobo$44bo16$1264bo$1264bobo$233bo149bo444bo435b2o$
64bo166b2o148b2o445bobo$63bobo166b2o148b2o444b2o$39bo24bo720bobo$38bob
o744b2o$39bo746bo7$183bo149bo164bo$182bobo147bobo162bobo$183bo149bo
164bo703bo$544bobo655bobo$544b2o656b2o$545bo7$59bo$58bobo$34bo24bo$33b
obo$34bo7$178bo149bo164bo$177bobo147bobo162bobo$178bo149bo164bo4$1239b
obo$1239b2o$207bo149bo445bobo434bo$207bobo147bobo443b2o$207b2o148b2o
402bo42bo$760bo$54bo705b3o$53bobo$29bo24bo$28bobo$29bo6$520bo656bobo$
173bo149bo164bo30bo657b2o$172bobo147bobo162bobo29b3o656bo$173bo149bo
164bo10$49bo$48bobo$24bo24bo$23bobo$24bo7$168bo149bo164bo$167bobo147bo
bo162bobo$168bo149bo164bo731bo$1214bo$779bo434b3o$182bobo147bobo443bo$
182b2o148b2o444b3o$183bo149bo403bo$735b2o$736b2o3$44bo$43bobo$19bo24bo
$18bobo$16b4o$15b4o$14b2o2bo1134bo$14bob4o476bo655bo$14bo4bo474b2o656b
3o$14bo2b2o476b2o$16b2o$163bo149bo164bo$12bo149bobo147bobo162bobo$12bo
bo148bo149bo164bo$12b2o6$155b3o147b3o162b3o$156bo149bo164bo$3o153b3o
147b3o162b3o$3bo35bo$o2bo34bobo$b2o36bo$b2o$o2bo$o$2b2o4$1191bo$1189b
2o$755bo434b2o$753b2o$754b2o$711bo$711bobo$711b2o$31b3o$31bo2bo$25bo3b
o4bo$23bobo$24b2o3bo$30bo$31b2obo$32bo2bo$32b2o1095bo$33bo2bo1090b2o$
36bo1091b2o$9bo22bo665bo$10bo24bo662bo$8b3o21b3o662bobo2$699b2o2$699b
2o5$696b2o$696b3o$700bo$698b2o3$695bobo$695bobo$696bo5$1165bo$1165bobo
$704bo24bo435b2o$705bo23bobo$703b3o23b2o10$681bo$679b2o$680b2o34bo386b
o$716bo386bobo$715bobo385b2o2$717b2o2$717b2o5$714b2o$714b3o$718bo$716b
2o3$713bobo$713bobo$714bo8$1140bobo$1140b2o$1141bo9$699bo$697b2o$698b
2o$655bo$655bobo$655b2o421bobo$1078b2o$1079bo24$1116bo$1115bo$1115b3o
10$673bo$673bobo$673b2o$630bobo$630b2o422bo$631bo421bo$1053b3o25$1092b
o$1090b2o$1091b2o10$648bobo$648b2o$649bo$1077b3o$1030bo47bo$1028b2o48b
3o$1029b2o7$1076bobo$1076bobo2$1079bo3$1015b3o$1016bo58bobo$1016b3o57b
o8$1014bobo66bobo$1014bobo67b2o$1084bo$1017bo4$1013bobo$1014bo3$1060bo
$1059bo$1059b3o3$1021bobo$1022b2o$1022bo9$998bo$997bo$997b3o13$1099bo$
1100bo$1098b3o11$1035b2o$1036b2o$1036bo$1038bo11b2o$1049bobo$1036b3o
12bo$1065bo$1065b2o$1064bobo2$1079b3o$1081bo$1080bo$1094b2o$1095b2o$
974bo119bo$972b2o$973b2o12$1097bo$1097bobo$1097b2o27$948bo$948bobo$
948b2o12$1072bobo$1072b2o$1073bo27$923bobo$923b2o$924bo11$1048bo$1047b
o$1047b3o27$899bo$898bo$898b3o12$1024bo$1022b2o$1023b2o!
Both a (1,13)c/31 or a (5,23)/c79 spaceship based on these reactions would likely be more difficult to construct than the original caterpillar (it may currently be infeasible), but they're the only potential reactions that I know of at this point. One step towards making such a spaceship would be proving that these components could be used to do so.
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Re: Methuselah based spaceships

Post by Dr. Monstaa » January 22nd, 2012, 10:13 am

Sokwe wrote:First of all, the term "house" is generally used when referring to the pattern as an induction coil. Otherwise, it is merely generation 3 of the pi-heptomino
.

You didn't need to tell me this.
Sokwe wrote:There has been speculation over the years that this property could be used to make a 3c/10 spaceship, but not much progress has been made towards this goal.
That's why I made the thread :)

I'd Like to say the codes you posted are nice and I would like to see progress in this feild. :)

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Re: Methuselah based spaceships

Post by codeholic » September 8th, 2013, 4:13 pm

There are 3 ways of building (13,1)c/31 glider-based track:

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x = 178, y = 169, rule = B3/S23
55bobo17bobo27bobo17bobo27bo19bo$55b2o18b2o28b2o18b2o28bobo17bobo$56bo
19bo29bo19bo28b2o18b2o18$49bo19bo29bo19bo$48bo19bo29bo19bo29bobo17bobo
$48b3o17b3o27b3o17b3o27b2o18b2o$149bo19bo18$43bo19bo29bo19bo28bo19bo$
41b2o18b2o28b2o18b2o28bo19bo$42b2o18b2o28b2o18b2o27b3o17b3o19$35bo19bo
29bo19bo30bo19bo$35bobo17bobo27bobo17bobo26b2o18b2o$35b2o18b2o28b2o18b
2o28b2o18b2o19$28bobo17bobo27bobo17bobo27bo19bo$28b2o18b2o28b2o18b2o
28bobo17bobo$29bo19bo29bo19bo28b2o18b2o18$22bo19bo29bo19bo$21bo19bo29b
o19bo29bobo17bobo$17b3ob3o17b3o27b3o17b3o27b2o18b2o$17bo2bo46b3o47b3o
2bo19bo$16bo50bo2bo46bo2bo$19b2o45bo49bo$15bo3b2o48b2o48b2o$15bo49bo3b
2o44bo3b2o$17bo47bo49bo$17b3o47bo49bo$18b2o47b3o47b3o$19bo48b2o48b2o$
17b2o50bo49bo$16bobo48b2o48b2o$15bo3bo46bobo47bobo$17b2o46bo3bo45bo3bo
$67b2o48b2o5$14bo21bo49bo48bo$14bobo17b2o28bo19b2o28bo19bo$14b2o19b2o
27bobo18b2o27bobo17b3o$64b2o48b2o18$7bobo18bo49bo50bo$7b2o19bobo26bobo
18bobo26bobo17b2o$8bo19b2o27b2o19b2o27b2o19b2o$58bo49bo17$bo$o20bobo
27bo19bobo27bo19bo$3o18b2o27bo20b2o27bo20bobo$22bo27b3o19bo27b3o18b2o!
That's pretty cool, because the 1st one moves the track horizontally by 1 cell, while delaying the track period by 1, the 2nd advances the track period by 3 and the 3rd one by 2, while keeping the track position intact. This set is complete in the sense, that if there are two distant enough glider tracks, you can bring them to any relative position and period!

E. g. here is a double track duplicator based on the prior work, cited above by Sokwe, with use of these track adjusters.

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x = 188, y = 1282, rule = B3/S23
121bo$120bobo$121b2o6$128b2o$128b2o4$122bo$121bobo$122b2o6$129b2o$129b
2o4$123bo$122bobo$123b2o6$130b2o$130b2o4$124bo$123bobo$124b2o6$131b2o$
131b2o4$125bo$124bobo$125b2o6$132b2o$132b2o4$126bo$125bobo$126b2o6$
133b2o$133b2o4$127bo$126bobo$127b2o6$134b2o$134b2o4$128bo$127bobo$128b
2o6$135b2o$135b2o4$129bo$128bobo$129b2o6$136b2o$136b2o4$130bo$129bobo$
130b2o6$137b2o$137b2o4$131bo$130bobo$131b2o6$138b2o$138b2o4$132bo$131b
obo$132b2o6$139b2o$139b2o4$133bo$132bobo$133b2o6$140b2o$140b2o4$134bo$
133bobo$134b2o6$141b2o$141b2o4$135bo$134bobo$135b2o6$142b2o$142b2o4$
136bo$135bobo$136b2o6$143b2o$143b2o4$137bo$136bobo$137b2o6$144b2o$144b
2o4$138bo$137bobo$138b2o6$145b2o$145b2o4$139bo$138bobo$139b2o6$146b2o$
146b2o4$140bo$139bobo$140b2o6$147b2o$147b2o4$141bo$140bobo$141b2o6$
148b2o$148b2o4$142bo$141bobo$142b2o6$149b2o$149b2o4$143bo$142bobo$143b
2o6$150b2o$150b2o4$144bo$143bobo$144b2o6$151b2o$151b2o4$145bo$144bobo$
145b2o6$152b2o$152b2o4$146bo$145bobo$146b2o6$153b2o$153b2o4$147bo$146b
obo$147b2o6$154b2o$154b2o4$148bo$147bobo$148b2o6$155b2o$155b2o4$149bo$
148bobo$149b2o6$156b2o$156b2o4$150bo$149bobo$150b2o6$157b2o$157b2o4$
151bo$150bobo$151b2o6$158b2o$158b2o4$152bo$151bobo$152b2o6$159b2o$159b
2o4$153bo$152bobo$153b2o6$160b2o$160b2o4$154bo$153bobo$154b2o6$161b2o$
161b2o4$155bo$154bobo$155b2o6$162b2o$162b2o4$156bo$155bobo$156b2o6$
163b2o$163b2o4$157bo$156bobo$157b2o6$164b2o$164b2o4$158bo$157bobo$158b
2o6$165b2o$165b2o4$159bo$158bobo$159b2o6$166b2o$166b2o4$160bo$159bobo$
160b2o6$167b2o$167b2o4$161bo$160bobo$161b2o6$168b2o$168b2o4$162bo$161b
obo$162b2o6$169b2o$169b2o4$163bo$162bobo$163b2o6$170b2o$170b2o4$164bo$
163bobo$164b2o6$171b2o$171b2o4$165bo$164bobo$165b2o6$172b2o$172b2o4$
166bo$165bobo$166b2o6$173b2o$173b2o4$167bo$166bobo$167b2o6$174b2o$174b
2o4$168bo$167bobo$168b2o6$175b2o$175b2o4$169bo$168bobo$169b2o6$176b2o$
176b2o4$170bo$169bobo$170b2o6$177b2o$177b2o4$171bo$170bobo$171b2o6$
178b2o$178b2o4$172bo$171bobo$172b2o6$179b2o$179b2o4$173bo$172bobo$173b
2o6$180b2o$180b2o4$174bo$173bobo$174b2o6$181b2o$181b2o4$175bo$174bobo$
175b2o6$182b2o$182b2o4$176bo$175bobo$176b2o6$183b2o$183b2o4$177bo$176b
obo$177b2o6$184b2o$184b2o4$178bo$177bobo$178b2o6$185b2o$185b2o4$179bo$
178bobo$174b3o2b2o$174bo2bo$173bo$176b2o$172bo3b2o$172bo$174bo11b2o$
174b3o9b2o$175b2o$176bo$174b2o$173bobo$172bo3bo$174b2o2$183bo$182b3o$
181b2o2bo$182b4o$171bo8bobo$171bobo5bo2bo$171b2o7b3o$181bobo$181bobo$
181b3o16$164bobo$164b2o$165bo2$176bo$176bobo$176b2o14$158bo$157bo$157b
3o$166b3o$165bo2bo$165bo2bo$164bo2bo$165b3o$165b2o2$169bo$169bo$170bo$
166b2obo$165bo$167bo4bo2$169bobo$169b3o2$160b3o$152bo7bo2bo$150b2o8bob
2o$151b2o5b2o$158b2o$157bo2bo$161bo$159b3o$160bo12$153b3o$152bo2bo$
144bo7bo3bo$144bobo8b2o$144b2o7bobo$150bo2b2o$151bo2bo$154bo$151b2ob2o
$152bobo$153bo7$147b3o$147bo2bo$147bob2o4$137bobo9b2o$137b2o8b4o$138bo
7bo2bo$146bobo$146bobo3$146bo$146bobo$146b2o5$140b3o$139bo2bo$139bo3bo
$140b4o$142bo2$131bo$130bo$130b3o$138b2ob2o$138b3obo4$139bo$138bo$138b
3o$134b3o$134bo2bo$133bo$136b2o$132bo3b2o$132bo$134bo$134b3o$135b2o$
136bo$125bo8b2o$123b2o8bobo$124b2o6bo3bo$134b2o6$131bo$131bobo$131b2o
10$117bo$117bobo$117b2o2$112b3o$111bo2bo$111bo3bo$110b2o2bo6b3o$112bo
7bo2bo$113b2o5bo2bo$113b3o3bo2bo$113b3o4b3o$120b2o2$112b2o$111b2obo$
110bo3bo$111bo11b2o$123b2o3$110bo$109bo7bo$109b3o4bobo$117b2o6$124b2o$
124b2o4$118bo$101b3o10bo2bobo$101bo2bo8b7o$101bob2o7b2obo$99b2o14b2o$
99b2o14b2o$98bo2bo13b2o$102bo9bo$100b3o9b2o11b2o$101bo11bobo9b2o$113bo
2bo$113bobo$113b3o$112bob2o$112bo2bo$114bo2$121b3o$95b3o22bo2bo$94bo2b
o22bo3bo$94bo4bo23b2o$111bo9bobo$99bo9b2o7bo2b2o$98bo11b2o7bo2bo$94bob
2o24bo$93bo2bo22b2ob2o$95b2o23bobo$92bo2bo25bo$92bo$96bo$93bo$94b3o4$
89b3o$89bo2bo$88bo3bo$88bobob2o$89b2ob2o$90b3o2$103bo$103bobo$103b2o$
88bob2o$87bobobo24bo$88bo25b2o$115b2o3$86b2o$83b2o4bo$82bo5bo$82b2o2$
84bo2bo$85b2o$82b2o$82b3o$83bo$82b2ob2o$82b2ob2o$82bo3bo9bobo$82bo3bo
9b2o8bo$85bo11bo7b3o$104bo2b2o$103b5o$103bo2b2o$103bo2bo$104bobo$77bo$
76b3o$75b2obo29b2o$74bo2bo29b3o$75b2o28bo$76bo29b2o2$78b2o$80bo27bobo$
108bobo$76bo2bobo18bo8bo$75bob3obo17b3o$75bob2ob3o7bo7b2o2bo$79bobo7bo
9b4o$79b3o7b3o5bobo$71b3o6bo15bo2bo$70bo2bo23b3o$70bo3bo23bobo$73b2o
23bobo$71bobo24b3o$68bo2b2o$69bo2bo$72bo$69b2ob2o$70bobo$71bo4$67bo$
66b3o24bo$65bo2b2o22b3o$65bo3bo21bo2b2o$66b2obo14bo10bo$68b2o12b2o9b3o
$83b2o7bob2o$91b2obo$93b2o$90b2obo$64bo2b2o21b2ob2o$64bobobo21b2ob2o$
65bo26bo4$64bobo$64b2o$65bo21bo$86b3o$85b2o2bo$87b3o4$76bo12bo$76bobo
7bo$76b2o7bo3bo$84b2ob2o4$86bo$84b2o$85b2o2$58bo$57bo$57b3o20bo$79b3o$
78bo2b2o$78bo3bo$79b2obo$81b2o3$69bobo$69b2o$70bo6bo2b2o$77bobobo$78bo
4$77bobo$74bob3o$73b6o$52bo19b2obo$50b2o23b2o$51b2o22b2o$75b2o$72bo$
72b2o$73bobo$73bo2bo$73bobo$63bo9b3o$62bo9bob2o$62b3o7bo2bo$74bo6$71bo
$69b2o$70b2o$44bo$44bobo$44b2o7$57bo$55b2o$56b2o$52bo$51b3o$50bo2b2o$
50b2ob2o6bo$49b3o8b3o$50b2obo5bo2b2o$51bo2bo3b5o$51bo6bo2b2o$52bobo3bo
2bo$37bobo13bo5bobo$37b2o$38bo11b3o$50b2obo$49bob2o6$45bob2obo$44b3ob
2o$43b2ob4o$46b2o$46b2o$46b2o$43bo$43b2o$44bobo$44bo2bo$31bo12bobo$30b
o13b3o$30b3o10bob2o$43bo2bo$45bo5$37b3o$36bo2bo$35bo$36b3o3$39b2o$39b
2o$40bo$40b2o$36b3obob2o$36b2o$25bo14bo2bo$23b2o15b3o$24b2o2$31b3o$30b
o2bo$30bo2bo2$29b2o$28bo2bo$28bo2bo$31bo9$25b3o$17bo7bo2bo$17bobo5bo2b
o$17b2o7bo2bo$26bo2bo$24b2o$24b2o$23bo3bo$23b2o$22bo$23bo3bo$24b3o5$
19b3o$18bo2bo$18bo3bo$19b4o$21bo2$10bobo$10b2o$11bo$17b2ob2o$17b3obo4$
18bo$17bo$4bo12b3o$3b3o7b3o$2b2o2bo6bo2bo$3b5o4bo$3b5o7b2o$4bo6bo3b2o$
2bobo6bo$bob2o8bo$bobo9b3o$3o11b2o$obo12bo$b4o$2b3o$3bo!
P. S. Unfortunately there is nothing like that set (yet?) for (23,5)c/79, and that's actually one of biggest showstoppers for its further research for now.
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Re: Methuselah based spaceships

Post by codeholic » September 9th, 2013, 4:19 pm

Oh, I was wrong. Here is the 4th way to build (13,1)c/31 glider-based track :)

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x = 96, y = 78, rule = B3/S23
94bo$93b2o$93bobo4$86b3o$86bo$87bo3$80b2o$79b2o$81bo3$73b2o$73bobo$73b
o3$67bo$66b2o$66bobo4$59b3o$59bo$60bo3$53b2o$52b2o$54bo3$46b2o$46bobo$
46bo3$40bo$39b2o$39bobo4$32b3o$32bo$33bo3$26b2o$25b2o$27bo3$19b2o$19bo
bo$19bo3$13bo$12b2o$12bobo5$3b3o$2bo2bo$2bo2bo2$b2o$o2bo$o2bo$3bo!
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Re: Methuselah based spaceships

Post by Freywa » September 9th, 2013, 10:51 pm

Yes, you can have track duplicators, but as always there are two more components we need: a backend and a helix. The same ideas from (23,5)c/79 can be brought over for the overall design of (13,1)c/31. In particular, as there is less "sideways" drift of the track, constructing our helix should be easier for the latter velocity.
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x = 31, y = 5, rule = B2-a/S12
3bo23bo$2obo4bo13bo4bob2o$3bo4bo13bo4bo$2bo4bobo11bobo4bo$2bo25bo!

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Re: Methuselah based spaceships

Post by oblique » September 11th, 2013, 12:59 am

Freywa wrote:Yes, you can have track duplicators, but as always there are two more components we need: a backend and a helix. The same ideas from (23,5)c/79 can be brought over for the overall design of (13,1)c/31. In particular, as there is less "sideways" drift of the track, constructing our helix should be easier for the latter velocity.
Those are not the hardest missing parts.

I you look at the original caterpillar there are is not only the front region with the "helix-reaction", some fan-out devices and a few track-duplicators and the back which is deconstructing the tracks.

The main body of the ship is made of thousands of crawlers that are sending or rephasing gliders and an innocent looking but vital pair of filter streams. This complexity is needed to build gliders, that construct 1/2c standard ships that are used to feed the helix reaction and the fan out devices.

I think it they main problem is to have (easy) reactions that are capable of producing all those gliders. You not only need forward an backward rakes (producing gliders); you need rakes of the period of the helix reaction (which probably is of higher period then your base crawler) and you have to be able to synchronise those rakes in order to construct *SS with them. The original carterpillar uses filter streams to elliminate surplus gliders and stuff like throw-and-catch devices and phases adjusters for the synchronisation.

The tail is comparably easy, if you already have the technology needed for the construction.
As long as the tracks are made of stuff like gliders or blinkers you can allways kill them with "a few" gliders.

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Re: Methuselah based spaceships

Post by Freywa » September 12th, 2013, 5:55 am

Discussion on the (13,1)c/31 spaceship now has its own thread.
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x = 31, y = 5, rule = B2-a/S12
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Re: Methuselah based spaceships

Post by codeholic » December 6th, 2013, 4:01 pm

I've found a p558 (x18) helix for (13,1)c/31. Though it might look ridiculously humongous, I doubt, that a significantly simpler helix is possible with known technology, because 13/31=0.4193... is too close to 11/24=0.4583... which is the current speed limit for glider-spaceship interactions.

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x = 233, y = 244, rule = B3/S23
5b3o$5bo2bo4bo5b3o$5bo6b3o4bo2bo4bo5b3o$2o3bo5b2obo4bo6b3o4bo2bo4bo5b
3o$b2o3bobo2b3o5bo5b2obo4bo6b3o4bo2bo4bo5b3o$o10b3o6bobo2b3o5bo5b2obo
4bo6b3o4bo2bo4bo5b3o$11b3o11b3o6bobo2b3o5bo5b2obo4bo6b3o4bo2bo4bo5b3o$
12b2o11b3o11b3o6bobo2b3o5bo5b2obo4bo6b3o4bo2bo4bo5b3o$26b2o11b3o11b3o
6bobo2b3o5bo5b2obo4bo6b3o4bo2bo4bo5b3o$40b2o11b3o11b3o6bobo2b3o5bo5b2o
bo4bo6b3o4bo2bo4bo5b3o$54b2o11b3o11b3o6bobo2b3o5bo5b2obo4bo6b3o4bo2bo
4bo$68b2o11b3o11b3o6bobo2b3o5bo5b2obo4bo6b3o$82b2o11b3o11b3o6bobo2b3o
5bo5b2obo$96b2o11b3o11b3o6bobo2b3o$110b2o11b3o11b3o13bo$124b2o11b3o12b
3o$138b2o12bob2o$153b3o$153b3o$153b3o$153b2o2$140b3o$126b3o5bo4bo2bo$
112b3o5bo4bo2bo4b3o6bo$98b3o5bo4bo2bo4b3o6bo4bob2o5bo$84b3o5bo4bo2bo4b
3o6bo4bob2o5bo5b3o2bobo4b3o9b3o$70b3o5bo4bo2bo4b3o6bo4bob2o5bo5b3o2bob
o6b3o9bo2bo7bo2bo$56b3o5bo4bo2bo4b3o6bo4bob2o5bo5b3o2bobo6b3o11b3o9bo
13bo$42b3o5bo4bo2bo4b3o6bo4bob2o5bo5b3o2bobo6b3o11b3o11b2o10bo3bo9bo$
28b3o5bo4bo2bo4b3o6bo4bob2o5bo5b3o2bobo6b3o11b3o11b2o24bo3bo6bobo$22bo
4bo2bo4b3o6bo4bob2o5bo5b3o2bobo6b3o11b3o11b2o38bo$21b3o6bo4bob2o5bo5b
3o2bobo6b3o11b3o11b2o53bobo$21bob2o5bo5b3o2bobo6b3o11b3o11b2o$13bo8b3o
2bobo6b3o11b3o11b2o$12b3o7b3o11b3o11b2o$11b2obo7b3o11b2o$11b3o8b2o$12b
2o7$23b3o$22bo2bo5bo5b3o$25bo4b3o3bo2bo5bo5b3o$25bo4bob2o5bo4b3o3bo2bo
5bo5b3o$22bobo6b3o5bo4bob2o5bo4b3o3bo2bo5bo5b3o$11b3o17b3o2bobo6b3o5bo
4bob2o5bo4b3o3bo2bo5bo5b3o$11bo2bo16b3o11b3o2bobo6b3o5bo4bob2o5bo4b3o
3bo2bo5bo5b3o$11bo19b2o12b3o11b3o2bobo6b3o5bo4bob2o5bo4b3o3bo2bo5bo5b
3o$11bo33b2o12b3o11b3o2bobo6b3o5bo4bob2o5bo4b3o3bo2bo5bo5b3o$12bobo44b
2o12b3o11b3o2bobo6b3o5bo4bob2o5bo4b3o3bo2bo5bo5b3o$73b2o12b3o11b3o2bob
o6b3o5bo4bob2o5bo4b3o3bo2bo5bo$87b2o12b3o11b3o2bobo6b3o5bo4bob2o5bo4b
3o$101b2o12b3o11b3o2bobo6b3o5bo4bob2o$12bo102b2o12b3o11b3o2bobo6b3o$
11b3o115b2o12b3o11b3o11bo$11bob2o128b2o12b3o10b3o$12b3o142b2o10b2obo$
12b3o154b3o$12b2o155b3o$169b3o$170b2o2$158b3o$144b3o5bo5bo2bo$130b3o5b
o5bo2bo3b3o4bo$116b3o5bo5bo2bo3b3o4bo5b2obo4bo$102b3o5bo5bo2bo3b3o4bo
5b2obo4bo5b3o6bobo2b3o9b3o$88b3o5bo5bo2bo3b3o4bo5b2obo4bo5b3o6bobo2b3o
10bo2bo9bo2bo$74b3o5bo5bo2bo3b3o4bo5b2obo4bo5b3o6bobo2b3o11b3o13bo9bo$
60b3o5bo5bo2bo3b3o4bo5b2obo4bo5b3o6bobo2b3o11b3o12b2o9bo3bo9bo$46b3o5b
o5bo2bo3b3o4bo5b2obo4bo5b3o6bobo2b3o11b3o12b2o23bo3bo10bobo$40bo5bo2bo
3b3o4bo5b2obo4bo5b3o6bobo2b3o11b3o12b2o41bo$39b3o4bo5b2obo4bo5b3o6bobo
2b3o11b3o12b2o52bobo$38b2obo4bo5b3o6bobo2b3o11b3o12b2o$31bo6b3o6bobo2b
3o11b3o12b2o$30b3o5b3o11b3o12b2o$30bob2o4b3o12b2o$31b3o5b2o$31b2o7$41b
3o$41bo2bo4bo5b3o$41bo6b3o4bo2bo4bo5b3o$41bo5b2obo4bo6b3o4bo2bo4bo5b3o
$42bobo2b3o5bo5b2obo4bo6b3o4bo2bo4bo5b3o$29b3o15b3o6bobo2b3o5bo5b2obo
4bo6b3o4bo2bo4bo5b3o$28bo2bo15b3o11b3o6bobo2b3o5bo5b2obo4bo6b3o4bo2bo
4bo5b3o$31bo16b2o11b3o11b3o6bobo2b3o5bo5b2obo4bo6b3o4bo2bo4bo5b3o$31bo
30b2o11b3o11b3o6bobo2b3o5bo5b2obo4bo6b3o4bo2bo4bo5b3o$28bobo45b2o11b3o
11b3o6bobo2b3o5bo5b2obo4bo6b3o4bo2bo4bo5b3o$90b2o11b3o11b3o6bobo2b3o5b
o5b2obo4bo6b3o4bo2bo4bo$104b2o11b3o11b3o6bobo2b3o5bo5b2obo4bo6b3o$118b
2o11b3o11b3o6bobo2b3o5bo5b2obo$30bo101b2o11b3o11b3o6bobo2b3o$29b3o114b
2o11b3o11b3o13bo$28b2obo128b2o11b3o12b3o$28b3o143b2o12bob2o$28b3o158b
3o$29b2o158b3o$189b3o$189b2o2$176b3o$162b3o5bo4bo2bo$148b3o5bo4bo2bo4b
3o6bo$134b3o5bo4bo2bo4b3o6bo4bob2o5bo$120b3o5bo4bo2bo4b3o6bo4bob2o5bo
5b3o2bobo4b3o9b3o$106b3o5bo4bo2bo4b3o6bo4bob2o5bo5b3o2bobo6b3o9bo2bo7b
o2bo$92b3o5bo4bo2bo4b3o6bo4bob2o5bo5b3o2bobo6b3o11b3o9bo13bo$78b3o5bo
4bo2bo4b3o6bo4bob2o5bo5b3o2bobo6b3o11b3o11b2o10bo3bo9bo$64b3o5bo4bo2bo
4b3o6bo4bob2o5bo5b3o2bobo6b3o11b3o11b2o24bo3bo6bobo$58bo4bo2bo4b3o6bo
4bob2o5bo5b3o2bobo6b3o11b3o11b2o38bo$57b3o6bo4bob2o5bo5b3o2bobo6b3o11b
3o11b2o53bobo$57bob2o5bo5b3o2bobo6b3o11b3o11b2o$49bo8b3o2bobo6b3o11b3o
11b2o$48b3o7b3o11b3o11b2o$47b2obo7b3o11b2o$47b3o8b2o$48b2o7$59b3o$58bo
2bo5bo5b3o$61bo4b3o3bo2bo5bo5b3o$61bo4bob2o5bo4b3o3bo2bo5bo5b3o$58bobo
6b3o5bo4bob2o5bo4b3o3bo2bo5bo5b3o$47b3o17b3o2bobo6b3o5bo4bob2o5bo4b3o
3bo2bo5bo5b3o$47bo2bo16b3o11b3o2bobo6b3o5bo4bob2o5bo4b3o3bo2bo5bo5b3o$
47bo19b2o12b3o11b3o2bobo6b3o5bo4bob2o5bo4b3o3bo2bo5bo5b3o$47bo33b2o12b
3o11b3o2bobo6b3o5bo4bob2o5bo4b3o3bo2bo5bo5b3o$48bobo44b2o12b3o11b3o2bo
bo6b3o5bo4bob2o5bo4b3o3bo2bo5bo5b3o$109b2o12b3o11b3o2bobo6b3o5bo4bob2o
5bo4b3o3bo2bo5bo$123b2o12b3o11b3o2bobo6b3o5bo4bob2o5bo4b3o$137b2o12b3o
11b3o2bobo6b3o5bo4bob2o$48bo102b2o12b3o11b3o2bobo6b3o$47b3o115b2o12b3o
11b3o11bo$47bob2o128b2o12b3o10b3o$48b3o142b2o10b2obo$48b3o154b3o$48b2o
155b3o$205b3o$206b2o2$194b3o$180b3o5bo5bo2bo$166b3o5bo5bo2bo3b3o4bo$
152b3o5bo5bo2bo3b3o4bo5b2obo4bo$138b3o5bo5bo2bo3b3o4bo5b2obo4bo5b3o6bo
bo2b3o9b3o$124b3o5bo5bo2bo3b3o4bo5b2obo4bo5b3o6bobo2b3o10bo2bo9bo2bo$
110b3o5bo5bo2bo3b3o4bo5b2obo4bo5b3o6bobo2b3o11b3o13bo9bo$96b3o5bo5bo2b
o3b3o4bo5b2obo4bo5b3o6bobo2b3o11b3o12b2o9bo3bo9bo$82b3o5bo5bo2bo3b3o4b
o5b2obo4bo5b3o6bobo2b3o11b3o12b2o23bo3bo10bobo$76bo5bo2bo3b3o4bo5b2obo
4bo5b3o6bobo2b3o11b3o12b2o41bo$75b3o4bo5b2obo4bo5b3o6bobo2b3o11b3o12b
2o52bobo$74b2obo4bo5b3o6bobo2b3o11b3o12b2o$67bo6b3o6bobo2b3o11b3o12b2o
$66b3o5b3o11b3o12b2o$66bob2o4b3o12b2o$67b3o5b2o$67b2o7$77b3o$77bo2bo4b
o5b3o$77bo6b3o4bo2bo4bo5b3o$77bo5b2obo4bo6b3o4bo2bo4bo5b3o$78bobo2b3o
5bo5b2obo4bo6b3o4bo2bo4bo5b3o$65b3o15b3o6bobo2b3o5bo5b2obo4bo6b3o4bo2b
o4bo5b3o$64bo2bo15b3o11b3o6bobo2b3o5bo5b2obo4bo6b3o4bo2bo4bo5b3o$67bo
16b2o11b3o11b3o6bobo2b3o5bo5b2obo4bo6b3o4bo2bo4bo5b3o$67bo30b2o11b3o
11b3o6bobo2b3o5bo5b2obo4bo6b3o4bo2bo4bo5b3o$64bobo45b2o11b3o11b3o6bobo
2b3o5bo5b2obo4bo6b3o4bo2bo4bo5b3o$126b2o11b3o11b3o6bobo2b3o5bo5b2obo4b
o6b3o4bo2bo4bo$140b2o11b3o11b3o6bobo2b3o5bo5b2obo4bo6b3o$154b2o11b3o
11b3o6bobo2b3o5bo5b2obo$66bo101b2o11b3o11b3o6bobo2b3o$65b3o114b2o11b3o
11b3o13bo$64b2obo128b2o11b3o12b3o$64b3o143b2o12bob2o$64b3o158b3o$65b2o
158b3o$225b3o$225b2o2$212b3o$198b3o5bo4bo2bo$184b3o5bo4bo2bo4b3o6bo$
170b3o5bo4bo2bo4b3o6bo4bob2o5bo$156b3o5bo4bo2bo4b3o6bo4bob2o5bo5b3o2bo
bo4b3o9b3o$142b3o5bo4bo2bo4b3o6bo4bob2o5bo5b3o2bobo6b3o9bo2bo7bo2bo$
128b3o5bo4bo2bo4b3o6bo4bob2o5bo5b3o2bobo6b3o11b3o9bo13bo$114b3o5bo4bo
2bo4b3o6bo4bob2o5bo5b3o2bobo6b3o11b3o11b2o10bo3bo9bo$100b3o5bo4bo2bo4b
3o6bo4bob2o5bo5b3o2bobo6b3o11b3o11b2o24bo3bo6bobo$94bo4bo2bo4b3o6bo4bo
b2o5bo5b3o2bobo6b3o11b3o11b2o38bo$93b3o6bo4bob2o5bo5b3o2bobo6b3o11b3o
11b2o53bobo$93bob2o5bo5b3o2bobo6b3o11b3o11b2o$85bo8b3o2bobo6b3o11b3o
11b2o$84b3o7b3o11b3o11b2o$83b2obo7b3o11b2o$83b3o8b2o$84b2o12$83b3o$83b
o2bo$83bo$83bo$84bobo4$84bo$83b3o$83bob2o$84b3o$84b3o$84b2o!
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Re: Methuselah based spaceships

Post by codeholic » December 6th, 2013, 9:16 pm

Here is a slightly smaller p496 (x16) helix and it's probably the best possible.

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x = 210, y = 217, rule = B3/S23
7bo$6b3o12bo$6bob2o3b3o4b3o12bo$b2o4b3o3bo2bo3bob2o3b3o4b3o12bo$obo4b
2o4bo7b3o3bo2bo3bob2o3b3o4b3o12bo$2bo10bo3bo3b2o4bo7b3o3bo2bo3bob2o3b
3o4b3o12bo$13bo3bo9bo3bo3b2o4bo7b3o3bo2bo3bob2o3b3o4b3o12bo$13bo13bo3b
o9bo3bo3b2o4bo7b3o3bo2bo3bob2o3b3o4b3o12bo$14bobo10bo13bo3bo9bo3bo3b2o
4bo7b3o3bo2bo3bob2o3b3o4b3o12bo$28bobo10bo13bo3bo9bo3bo3b2o4bo7b3o3bo
2bo3bob2o3b3o4b3o$42bobo10bo13bo3bo9bo3bo3b2o4bo7b3o3bo2bo3bob2o3b3o$
56bobo10bo13bo3bo9bo3bo3b2o4bo7b3o3bo2bo$70bobo10bo13bo3bo9bo3bo3b2o4b
o$84bobo10bo13bo3bo9bo3bo$98bobo10bo13bo3bo$112bobo10bo$126bobo12b3o$
141bo2bo$141bo$141bo3bo$141bo3bo$141bo$123b3o16bobo$109b3o5bo5bo2bo4bo
$95b3o5bo5bo2bo3b3o4bo6b3o$81b3o5bo5bo2bo3b3o4bo5b2obo4bo6bob2o$67b3o
5bo5bo2bo3b3o4bo5b2obo4bo5b3o6bobo4b3o$53b3o5bo5bo2bo3b3o4bo5b2obo4bo
5b3o6bobo2b3o13b2o$39b3o5bo5bo2bo3b3o4bo5b2obo4bo5b3o6bobo2b3o11b3o$
25b3o5bo5bo2bo3b3o4bo5b2obo4bo5b3o6bobo2b3o11b3o12b2o$19bo5bo2bo3b3o4b
o5b2obo4bo5b3o6bobo2b3o11b3o12b2o$18b3o4bo5b2obo4bo5b3o6bobo2b3o11b3o
12b2o$17b2obo4bo5b3o6bobo2b3o11b3o12b2o$17b3o6bobo2b3o11b3o12b2o$17b3o
11b3o12b2o$7b3o7b3o12b2o$6bo2bo8b2o$9bo$9bo$6bobo$23bo$15bo6b3o12bo$
14b3o5bob2o3b3o4b3o12bo$14bob2o5b3o3bo2bo3bob2o3b3o4b3o12bo$15b3o5b2o
4bo7b3o3bo2bo3bob2o3b3o4b3o12bo$15b2o12bo3bo3b2o4bo7b3o3bo2bo3bob2o3b
3o4b3o12bo$29bo3bo9bo3bo3b2o4bo7b3o3bo2bo3bob2o3b3o4b3o12bo$29bo13bo3b
o9bo3bo3b2o4bo7b3o3bo2bo3bob2o3b3o4b3o12bo$30bobo10bo13bo3bo9bo3bo3b2o
4bo7b3o3bo2bo3bob2o3b3o4b3o12bo$44bobo10bo13bo3bo9bo3bo3b2o4bo7b3o3bo
2bo3bob2o3b3o4b3o$58bobo10bo13bo3bo9bo3bo3b2o4bo7b3o3bo2bo3bob2o3b3o$
72bobo10bo13bo3bo9bo3bo3b2o4bo7b3o3bo2bo$17bo68bobo10bo13bo3bo9bo3bo3b
2o4bo$16b3o81bobo10bo13bo3bo9bo3bo$15b2obo95bobo10bo13bo3bo$15b3o110bo
bo10bo$16b2o124bobo12b3o$157bo2bo$157bo$157bo3bo$157bo3bo$157bo$139b3o
16bobo$125b3o5bo5bo2bo4bo$111b3o5bo5bo2bo3b3o4bo6b3o$97b3o5bo5bo2bo3b
3o4bo5b2obo4bo6bob2o$83b3o5bo5bo2bo3b3o4bo5b2obo4bo5b3o6bobo4b3o$69b3o
5bo5bo2bo3b3o4bo5b2obo4bo5b3o6bobo2b3o13b2o$55b3o5bo5bo2bo3b3o4bo5b2ob
o4bo5b3o6bobo2b3o11b3o$41b3o5bo5bo2bo3b3o4bo5b2obo4bo5b3o6bobo2b3o11b
3o12b2o$35bo5bo2bo3b3o4bo5b2obo4bo5b3o6bobo2b3o11b3o12b2o$34b3o4bo5b2o
bo4bo5b3o6bobo2b3o11b3o12b2o$33b2obo4bo5b3o6bobo2b3o11b3o12b2o$33b3o6b
obo2b3o11b3o12b2o$33b3o11b3o12b2o$23b3o7b3o12b2o$22bo2bo8b2o$25bo$25bo
$22bobo$39bo$31bo6b3o12bo$30b3o5bob2o3b3o4b3o12bo$30bob2o5b3o3bo2bo3bo
b2o3b3o4b3o12bo$31b3o5b2o4bo7b3o3bo2bo3bob2o3b3o4b3o12bo$31b2o12bo3bo
3b2o4bo7b3o3bo2bo3bob2o3b3o4b3o12bo$45bo3bo9bo3bo3b2o4bo7b3o3bo2bo3bob
2o3b3o4b3o12bo$45bo13bo3bo9bo3bo3b2o4bo7b3o3bo2bo3bob2o3b3o4b3o12bo$
46bobo10bo13bo3bo9bo3bo3b2o4bo7b3o3bo2bo3bob2o3b3o4b3o12bo$60bobo10bo
13bo3bo9bo3bo3b2o4bo7b3o3bo2bo3bob2o3b3o4b3o$74bobo10bo13bo3bo9bo3bo3b
2o4bo7b3o3bo2bo3bob2o3b3o$88bobo10bo13bo3bo9bo3bo3b2o4bo7b3o3bo2bo$33b
o68bobo10bo13bo3bo9bo3bo3b2o4bo$32b3o81bobo10bo13bo3bo9bo3bo$31b2obo
95bobo10bo13bo3bo$31b3o110bobo10bo$32b2o124bobo12b3o$173bo2bo$173bo$
173bo3bo$173bo3bo$173bo$155b3o16bobo$141b3o5bo5bo2bo4bo$127b3o5bo5bo2b
o3b3o4bo6b3o$113b3o5bo5bo2bo3b3o4bo5b2obo4bo6bob2o$99b3o5bo5bo2bo3b3o
4bo5b2obo4bo5b3o6bobo4b3o$85b3o5bo5bo2bo3b3o4bo5b2obo4bo5b3o6bobo2b3o
13b2o$71b3o5bo5bo2bo3b3o4bo5b2obo4bo5b3o6bobo2b3o11b3o$57b3o5bo5bo2bo
3b3o4bo5b2obo4bo5b3o6bobo2b3o11b3o12b2o$51bo5bo2bo3b3o4bo5b2obo4bo5b3o
6bobo2b3o11b3o12b2o$50b3o4bo5b2obo4bo5b3o6bobo2b3o11b3o12b2o$49b2obo4b
o5b3o6bobo2b3o11b3o12b2o$49b3o6bobo2b3o11b3o12b2o$49b3o11b3o12b2o$39b
3o7b3o12b2o$38bo2bo8b2o$41bo$41bo$38bobo$55bo$47bo6b3o12bo$46b3o5bob2o
3b3o4b3o12bo$46bob2o5b3o3bo2bo3bob2o3b3o4b3o12bo$47b3o5b2o4bo7b3o3bo2b
o3bob2o3b3o4b3o12bo$47b2o12bo3bo3b2o4bo7b3o3bo2bo3bob2o3b3o4b3o12bo$
61bo3bo9bo3bo3b2o4bo7b3o3bo2bo3bob2o3b3o4b3o12bo$61bo13bo3bo9bo3bo3b2o
4bo7b3o3bo2bo3bob2o3b3o4b3o12bo$62bobo10bo13bo3bo9bo3bo3b2o4bo7b3o3bo
2bo3bob2o3b3o4b3o12bo$76bobo10bo13bo3bo9bo3bo3b2o4bo7b3o3bo2bo3bob2o3b
3o4b3o$90bobo10bo13bo3bo9bo3bo3b2o4bo7b3o3bo2bo3bob2o3b3o$104bobo10bo
13bo3bo9bo3bo3b2o4bo7b3o3bo2bo$49bo68bobo10bo13bo3bo9bo3bo3b2o4bo$48b
3o81bobo10bo13bo3bo9bo3bo$47b2obo95bobo10bo13bo3bo$47b3o110bobo10bo$
48b2o124bobo12b3o$189bo2bo$189bo$189bo3bo$189bo3bo$189bo$171b3o16bobo$
157b3o5bo5bo2bo4bo$143b3o5bo5bo2bo3b3o4bo6b3o$129b3o5bo5bo2bo3b3o4bo5b
2obo4bo6bob2o$115b3o5bo5bo2bo3b3o4bo5b2obo4bo5b3o6bobo4b3o$101b3o5bo5b
o2bo3b3o4bo5b2obo4bo5b3o6bobo2b3o13b2o$87b3o5bo5bo2bo3b3o4bo5b2obo4bo
5b3o6bobo2b3o11b3o$73b3o5bo5bo2bo3b3o4bo5b2obo4bo5b3o6bobo2b3o11b3o12b
2o$67bo5bo2bo3b3o4bo5b2obo4bo5b3o6bobo2b3o11b3o12b2o$66b3o4bo5b2obo4bo
5b3o6bobo2b3o11b3o12b2o$65b2obo4bo5b3o6bobo2b3o11b3o12b2o$65b3o6bobo2b
3o11b3o12b2o$65b3o11b3o12b2o$55b3o7b3o12b2o$54bo2bo8b2o$57bo$57bo$54bo
bo$71bo$63bo6b3o12bo$62b3o5bob2o3b3o4b3o12bo$62bob2o5b3o3bo2bo3bob2o3b
3o4b3o12bo$63b3o5b2o4bo7b3o3bo2bo3bob2o3b3o4b3o12bo$63b2o12bo3bo3b2o4b
o7b3o3bo2bo3bob2o3b3o4b3o12bo$77bo3bo9bo3bo3b2o4bo7b3o3bo2bo3bob2o3b3o
4b3o12bo$77bo13bo3bo9bo3bo3b2o4bo7b3o3bo2bo3bob2o3b3o4b3o12bo$78bobo
10bo13bo3bo9bo3bo3b2o4bo7b3o3bo2bo3bob2o3b3o4b3o12bo$92bobo10bo13bo3bo
9bo3bo3b2o4bo7b3o3bo2bo3bob2o3b3o4b3o$106bobo10bo13bo3bo9bo3bo3b2o4bo
7b3o3bo2bo3bob2o3b3o$120bobo10bo13bo3bo9bo3bo3b2o4bo7b3o3bo2bo$65bo68b
obo10bo13bo3bo9bo3bo3b2o4bo$64b3o81bobo10bo13bo3bo9bo3bo$63b2obo95bobo
10bo13bo3bo$63b3o110bobo10bo$64b2o124bobo12b3o$205bo2bo$205bo$205bo3bo
$205bo3bo$205bo$187b3o16bobo$173b3o5bo5bo2bo4bo$159b3o5bo5bo2bo3b3o4bo
6b3o$145b3o5bo5bo2bo3b3o4bo5b2obo4bo6bob2o$131b3o5bo5bo2bo3b3o4bo5b2ob
o4bo5b3o6bobo4b3o$117b3o5bo5bo2bo3b3o4bo5b2obo4bo5b3o6bobo2b3o13b2o$
103b3o5bo5bo2bo3b3o4bo5b2obo4bo5b3o6bobo2b3o11b3o$89b3o5bo5bo2bo3b3o4b
o5b2obo4bo5b3o6bobo2b3o11b3o12b2o$83bo5bo2bo3b3o4bo5b2obo4bo5b3o6bobo
2b3o11b3o12b2o$82b3o4bo5b2obo4bo5b3o6bobo2b3o11b3o12b2o$81b2obo4bo5b3o
6bobo2b3o11b3o12b2o$81b3o6bobo2b3o11b3o12b2o$81b3o11b3o12b2o$71b3o7b3o
12b2o$70bo2bo8b2o$73bo$73bo$70bobo2$79bo$78b3o$78bob2o$79b3o$79b2o7$
81bo$80b3o$79b2obo$79b3o$80b2o!
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Re: Methuselah based spaceships

Post by codeholic » December 8th, 2013, 9:46 am

Oops. Gliders should be shot on the other side of the helix. I'll fix that.
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Re: Methuselah based spaceships

Post by codeholic » December 8th, 2013, 10:43 am

Here you are:

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x = 181, y = 147, rule = B3/S23
51b3o$51bo2bo$51bo$51bo3bo$51bo3bo2b2o$51bo6bobo$52bobo3bo3$66bo$65b3o
12bo$58bo6bob2o3b3o4b3o12bo$57b3o6b3o3bo2bo3bob2o3b3o4b3o12bo$56b2obo
6b2o4bo7b3o3bo2bo3bob2o3b3o4b3o12bo$49bo6b3o13bo3bo3b2o4bo7b3o3bo2bo3b
ob2o3b3o4b3o12bo$48b3o5b3o13bo3bo9bo3bo3b2o4bo7b3o3bo2bo3bob2o3b3o4b3o
12bo$48bob2o4b3o13bo13bo3bo9bo3bo3b2o4bo7b3o3bo2bo3bob2o3b3o4b3o12bo$
49b3o5b2o14bobo10bo13bo3bo9bo3bo3b2o4bo7b3o3bo2bo3bob2o3b3o4b3o$49b2o
36bobo10bo13bo3bo9bo3bo3b2o4bo7b3o3bo2bo3bob2o3b3o$101bobo10bo13bo3bo
9bo3bo3b2o4bo7b3o3bo2bo$115bobo10bo13bo3bo9bo3bo3b2o4bo$129bobo10bo13b
o3bo9bo3bo$52b3o88bobo10bo13bo3bo$51bo2bo102bobo10bo6b3o$54bo116bobo3b
o2bo$54bo122bo$51bobo123bo$178bobo2$166bo$152bo12b3o$138bo12b3o4b3o3b
2obo$124bo12b3o4b3o3b2obo3bo2bo3b3o8b3o$110bo12b3o4b3o3b2obo3bo2bo3b3o
7bo4b2o8bo2bo$96bo12b3o4b3o3b2obo3bo2bo3b3o7bo4b2o3bo3bo14bo$82bo12b3o
4b3o3b2obo3bo2bo3b3o7bo4b2o3bo3bo9bo3bo14bo$68bo12b3o4b3o3b2obo3bo2bo
3b3o7bo4b2o3bo3bo9bo3bo13bo15bobo$54bo12b3o4b3o3b2obo3bo2bo3b3o7bo4b2o
3bo3bo9bo3bo13bo10bobo$53b3o4b3o3b2obo3bo2bo3b3o7bo4b2o3bo3bo9bo3bo13b
o10bobo$46b3o3b2obo3bo2bo3b3o7bo4b2o3bo3bo9bo3bo13bo10bobo$35b3o7bo2bo
3b3o7bo4b2o3bo3bo9bo3bo13bo10bobo$35bo2bo9bo4b2o3bo3bo9bo3bo13bo10bobo
$35bo8bo3bo9bo3bo13bo10bobo$35bo3bo4bo3bo13bo10bobo$35bo3bo8bo10bobo$
35bo9bobo$36bobo3$50bo$49b3o12bo$42bo6bob2o3b3o4b3o12bo$41b3o6b3o3bo2b
o3bob2o3b3o4b3o12bo$40b2obo6b2o4bo7b3o3bo2bo3bob2o3b3o4b3o12bo$33bo6b
3o13bo3bo3b2o4bo7b3o3bo2bo3bob2o3b3o4b3o12bo$32b3o5b3o13bo3bo9bo3bo3b
2o4bo7b3o3bo2bo3bob2o3b3o4b3o12bo$32bob2o4b3o13bo13bo3bo9bo3bo3b2o4bo
7b3o3bo2bo3bob2o3b3o4b3o12bo$33b3o5b2o14bobo10bo13bo3bo9bo3bo3b2o4bo7b
3o3bo2bo3bob2o3b3o4b3o$33b2o36bobo10bo13bo3bo9bo3bo3b2o4bo7b3o3bo2bo3b
ob2o3b3o$85bobo10bo13bo3bo9bo3bo3b2o4bo7b3o3bo2bo$99bobo10bo13bo3bo9bo
3bo3b2o4bo$113bobo10bo13bo3bo9bo3bo$36b3o88bobo10bo13bo3bo$35bo2bo102b
obo10bo6b3o$38bo116bobo3bo2bo$38bo122bo$35bobo123bo$162bobo2$150bo$
136bo12b3o$122bo12b3o4b3o3b2obo$108bo12b3o4b3o3b2obo3bo2bo3b3o8b3o$94b
o12b3o4b3o3b2obo3bo2bo3b3o7bo4b2o8bo2bo$80bo12b3o4b3o3b2obo3bo2bo3b3o
7bo4b2o3bo3bo14bo$66bo12b3o4b3o3b2obo3bo2bo3b3o7bo4b2o3bo3bo9bo3bo14bo
$52bo12b3o4b3o3b2obo3bo2bo3b3o7bo4b2o3bo3bo9bo3bo13bo15bobo$38bo12b3o
4b3o3b2obo3bo2bo3b3o7bo4b2o3bo3bo9bo3bo13bo10bobo$37b3o4b3o3b2obo3bo2b
o3b3o7bo4b2o3bo3bo9bo3bo13bo10bobo$30b3o3b2obo3bo2bo3b3o7bo4b2o3bo3bo
9bo3bo13bo10bobo$19b3o7bo2bo3b3o7bo4b2o3bo3bo9bo3bo13bo10bobo$19bo2bo
9bo4b2o3bo3bo9bo3bo13bo10bobo$19bo8bo3bo9bo3bo13bo10bobo$19bo3bo4bo3bo
13bo10bobo$19bo3bo8bo10bobo$19bo9bobo$20bobo3$34bo$33b3o12bo$26bo6bob
2o3b3o4b3o12bo$25b3o6b3o3bo2bo3bob2o3b3o4b3o12bo$24b2obo6b2o4bo7b3o3bo
2bo3bob2o3b3o4b3o12bo$17bo6b3o13bo3bo3b2o4bo7b3o3bo2bo3bob2o3b3o4b3o
12bo$16b3o5b3o13bo3bo9bo3bo3b2o4bo7b3o3bo2bo3bob2o3b3o4b3o12bo$16bob2o
4b3o13bo13bo3bo9bo3bo3b2o4bo7b3o3bo2bo3bob2o3b3o4b3o12bo$17b3o5b2o14bo
bo10bo13bo3bo9bo3bo3b2o4bo7b3o3bo2bo3bob2o3b3o4b3o$17b2o36bobo10bo13bo
3bo9bo3bo3b2o4bo7b3o3bo2bo3bob2o3b3o$69bobo10bo13bo3bo9bo3bo3b2o4bo7b
3o3bo2bo$83bobo10bo13bo3bo9bo3bo3b2o4bo$97bobo10bo13bo3bo9bo3bo$20b3o
88bobo10bo13bo3bo$19bo2bo102bobo10bo6b3o$22bo116bobo3bo2bo$22bo122bo$
19bobo123bo$146bobo2$134bo$120bo12b3o$106bo12b3o4b3o3b2obo$92bo12b3o4b
3o3b2obo3bo2bo3b3o8b3o$78bo12b3o4b3o3b2obo3bo2bo3b3o7bo4b2o8bo2bo$64bo
12b3o4b3o3b2obo3bo2bo3b3o7bo4b2o3bo3bo14bo$50bo12b3o4b3o3b2obo3bo2bo3b
3o7bo4b2o3bo3bo9bo3bo14bo$36bo12b3o4b3o3b2obo3bo2bo3b3o7bo4b2o3bo3bo9b
o3bo13bo15bobo$22bo12b3o4b3o3b2obo3bo2bo3b3o7bo4b2o3bo3bo9bo3bo13bo10b
obo$21b3o4b3o3b2obo3bo2bo3b3o7bo4b2o3bo3bo9bo3bo13bo10bobo$14b3o3b2obo
3bo2bo3b3o7bo4b2o3bo3bo9bo3bo13bo10bobo$3b3o7bo2bo3b3o7bo4b2o3bo3bo9bo
3bo13bo10bobo$3bo2bo9bo4b2o3bo3bo9bo3bo13bo10bobo$3bo8bo3bo9bo3bo13bo
10bobo$3bo3bo4bo3bo13bo10bobo$3bo3bo8bo10bobo$3bo9bobo$4bobo5$10bo$9b
3o$8b2obo$bo6b3o$3o5b3o$ob2o4b3o$b3o5b2o$b2o4$4b3o$3bo2bo$6bo$6bo$3bob
o!
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Re: Methuselah based spaceships

Post by codeholic » December 9th, 2013, 3:17 pm

Here is a way to build a filter, that doesn't destroy the template. Unfortunately, it's made of tubs, that are pretty rare, and gliders must be synchronized. Maybe something better can be found.

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x = 518, y = 680, rule = B3/S23
515bo$515bobo$515b2o244$260bo$259bobo$260bo11$261bo$260bobo$261bo11$
262bo$261bobo$262bo11$263bo$262bobo$263bo11$264bo$263bobo$264bo11$265b
o$264bobo$265bo11$266bo$265bobo$266bo6$407bo$407bobo$407b2o3$267bo$
266bobo$267bo11$268bo$267bobo$268bo11$269bo$268bobo$269bo11$270bo$269b
obo$270bo11$271bo$270bobo$271bo11$272bo$271bobo$272bo11$273bo$272bobo$
273bo11$274bo$273bobo$274bo11$275bo$274bobo$275bo11$276bo$275bobo$276b
o11$277bo$276bobo$277bo11$278bo$277bobo$278bo11$279bo$278bobo$279bo11$
280bo$279bobo$280bo$3o$2bo$bo3$9b2o$10b2o$9bo3$18b2o261bo$17bobo260bob
o$19bo261bo3$27bo$27b2o$26bobo4$35b3o$37bo$36bo245bo$281bobo$282bo$44b
2o$45b2o$44bo3$53b2o$52bobo$54bo3$62bo220bo$62b2o218bobo$61bobo219bo4$
70b3o$72bo$71bo3$79b2o$80b2o$79bo204bo$283bobo$284bo$88b2o$87bobo$89bo
3$97bo$97b2o$96bobo3$285bo$105b3o176bobo$107bo177bo$106bo3$114b2o$115b
2o$114bo3$123b2o$122bobo$124bo161bo$285bobo$286bo$132bo$132b2o$131bobo
4$140b3o$142bo$141bo2$287bo$149b2o135bobo$150b2o135bo$149bo3$158b2o$
157bobo$159bo3$167bo$167b2o$166bobo119bo$287bobo$288bo2$175b3o$177bo$
176bo3$184b2o$185b2o$184bo2$289bo$193b2o93bobo$192bobo94bo$194bo3$202b
o$202b2o$201bobo4$210b3o$212bo77bo$211bo77bobo$290bo2$219b2o$220b2o$
219bo3$228b2o$227bobo$229bo2$291bo$237bo52bobo$237b2o52bo$236bobo4$
245b3o$247bo$246bo3$254b2o$255b2o35bo$254bo36bobo$292bo6bo$299bobo$
263b2o34b2o$262bobo$264bo3$272bo$272b2o$271bobo4$280b3o$282bo$281bo!
EDIT: Backward rake filters made of loafs...

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x = 516, y = 678, rule = B3/S23
513bo$513bobo$obo510b2o$b2o$bo18$10bo$11bo$9b3o19$18bo$19b2o$18b2o19$
28bo$26bobo$27b2o19$35bobo$36b2o$36bo18$45bo$46bo$44b3o19$53bo$54b2o$
53b2o19$63bo$61bobo$62b2o19$70bobo$71b2o$71bo18$80bo$81bo$79b3o19$88bo
$89b2o$88b2o19$98bo$96bobo$97b2o19$105bobo$106b2o$106bo5$258b2o$257bo
2bo$258bobo$259bo10$115bo143b2o$116bo141bo2bo$114b3o142bobo$260bo10$
260b2o$259bo2bo$260bobo$261bo5$123bo$124b2o$123b2o3$261b2o$260bo2bo$
261bobo$262bo10$262b2o$261bo2bo$262bobo$133bo129bo$131bobo$132b2o8$
263b2o$262bo2bo$263bobo$264bo6$405bo$405bobo$140bobo262b2o$141b2o$141b
o122b2o$263bo2bo$264bobo$265bo10$265b2o$264bo2bo$265bobo$266bo2$150bo$
151bo$149b3o6$266b2o$265bo2bo$266bobo$267bo10$158bo108b2o$159b2o105bo
2bo$158b2o107bobo$268bo10$268b2o$267bo2bo$268bobo$269bo5$168bo$166bobo
$167b2o3$269b2o$268bo2bo$269bobo$270bo10$270b2o$269bo2bo$270bobo$175bo
bo93bo$176b2o$176bo8$271b2o$270bo2bo$271bobo$272bo7$185bo$186bo$184b3o
$272b2o$271bo2bo$272bobo$273bo10$273b2o$272bo2bo$273bobo$274bo2$193bo$
194b2o$193b2o6$274b2o$273bo2bo$274bobo$275bo10$203bo71b2o$201bobo70bo
2bo$202b2o71bobo$276bo10$276b2o$275bo2bo$276bobo$277bo5$210bobo$211b2o
$211bo3$277b2o$276bo2bo$277bobo$278bo10$278b2o$277bo2bo$220bo57bobo$
221bo57bo$219b3o9$279b2o$278bo2bo$279bobo$280bo7$228bo$229b2o$228b2o$
280b2o$279bo2bo$280bobo$281bo10$281b2o$280bo2bo$281bobo$282bo2$238bo$
236bobo$237b2o6$282b2o$281bo2bo$282bobo$283bo10$245bobo35b2o$246b2o34b
o2bo$246bo36bobo$284bo10$284b2o$283bo2bo$284bobo$285bo4$255bo$256bo$
254b3o4$285b2o$284bo2bo$285bobo$286bo10$286b2o$285bo2bo$263bo22bobo$
264b2o21bo$263b2o9$287b2o$286bo2bo$287bobo$288bo7$273bo$271bobo$272b2o
$288b2o$287bo2bo$288bobo$289bo10$289b2o$288bo2bo$289bobo$290bo6bo$297b
obo$280bobo14b2o$281b2o$281bo6$290b2o$289bo2bo$290bobo$291bo!
...or ponds:

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x = 518, y = 685, rule = B3/S23
515bo$515bobo$515b2o5$bo$2bo$3o19$9bo$10b2o$9b2o19$19bo$17bobo$18b2o
19$26bobo$27b2o$27bo18$36bo$37bo$35b3o19$44bo$45b2o$44b2o19$54bo$52bob
o$53b2o19$61bobo$62b2o$62bo18$71bo$72bo$70b3o19$79bo$80b2o$79b2o19$89b
o$87bobo$88b2o19$96bobo$97b2o$97bo18$106bo$107bo$105b3o7$256b2o$255bo
2bo$255bo2bo$256b2o9$114bo$115b2o140b2o$114b2o140bo2bo$256bo2bo$257b2o
10$258b2o$257bo2bo$257bo2bo$258b2o4$124bo$122bobo$123b2o4$259b2o$258bo
2bo$258bo2bo$259b2o10$260b2o$259bo2bo$131bobo125bo2bo$132b2o126b2o$
132bo9$261b2o$260bo2bo$260bo2bo143bo$261b2o144bobo$407b2o5$141bo$142bo
$140b3o2$262b2o$261bo2bo$261bo2bo$262b2o10$263b2o$262bo2bo$262bo2bo$
263b2o$149bo$150b2o$149b2o7$264b2o$263bo2bo$263bo2bo$264b2o9$159bo$
157bobo105b2o$158b2o104bo2bo$264bo2bo$265b2o10$266b2o$265bo2bo$265bo2b
o$266b2o4$166bobo$167b2o$167bo4$267b2o$266bo2bo$266bo2bo$267b2o10$268b
2o$176bo90bo2bo$177bo89bo2bo$175b3o90b2o10$269b2o$268bo2bo$268bo2bo$
269b2o6$184bo$185b2o$184b2o2$270b2o$269bo2bo$269bo2bo$270b2o10$271b2o$
270bo2bo$270bo2bo$271b2o$194bo$192bobo$193b2o7$272b2o$271bo2bo$271bo2b
o$272b2o9$201bobo$202b2o69b2o$202bo69bo2bo$272bo2bo$273b2o10$274b2o$
273bo2bo$273bo2bo$274b2o3$211bo$212bo$210b3o5$275b2o$274bo2bo$274bo2bo
$275b2o10$276b2o$219bo55bo2bo$220b2o53bo2bo$219b2o55b2o10$277b2o$276bo
2bo$276bo2bo$277b2o6$229bo$227bobo$228b2o2$278b2o$277bo2bo$277bo2bo$
278b2o10$279b2o$278bo2bo$278bo2bo$279b2o$236bobo$237b2o$237bo7$280b2o$
279bo2bo$279bo2bo$280b2o8$246bo$247bo$245b3o33b2o$280bo2bo$280bo2bo$
281b2o10$282b2o$281bo2bo$281bo2bo$282b2o3$254bo$255b2o$254b2o5$283b2o$
282bo2bo$282bo2bo$283b2o10$284b2o$264bo18bo2bo$262bobo18bo2bo$263b2o
19b2o10$285b2o$284bo2bo$284bo2bo$285b2o6$271bobo$272b2o$272bo2$286b2o$
285bo2bo$285bo2bo$286b2o6$299bo$299bobo$299b2o2$287b2o$286bo2bo$286bo
2bo$281bo5b2o$282bo$280b3o8$288b2o$287bo2bo$287bo2bo$288b2o!
...or boats:

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x = 520, y = 673, rule = B3/S23
517bo$2bo514bobo$obo514b2o$b2o19$9bobo$10b2o$10bo18$19bo$20bo$18b3o19$
27bo$28b2o$27b2o19$37bo$35bobo$36b2o19$44bobo$45b2o$45bo18$54bo$55bo$
53b3o19$62bo$63b2o$62b2o19$72bo$70bobo$71b2o19$79bobo$80b2o$80bo18$89b
o$90bo$88b3o19$97bo$98b2o$97b2o19$107bo$105bobo$106b2o2$259b2o$259bobo
$260bo11$260b2o$260bobo$261bo2$114bobo$115b2o$115bo7$261b2o$261bobo$
262bo9$124bo$125bo$123b3o136b2o$262bobo$263bo11$263b2o$263bobo$264bo4$
132bo$133b2o$132b2o5$264b2o$264bobo$265bo11$265b2o142bo$142bo122bobo
141bobo$140bobo123bo142b2o$141b2o10$266b2o$266bobo$267bo7$149bobo$150b
2o$150bo2$267b2o$267bobo$268bo11$268b2o$268bobo$269bo$159bo$160bo$158b
3o8$269b2o$269bobo$270bo9$167bo$168b2o$167b2o101b2o$270bobo$271bo11$
271b2o$271bobo$272bo4$177bo$175bobo$176b2o5$272b2o$272bobo$273bo11$
273b2o$184bobo86bobo$185b2o87bo$185bo10$274b2o$274bobo$275bo6$194bo$
195bo$193b3o3$275b2o$275bobo$276bo11$276b2o$276bobo$277bo$202bo$203b2o
$202b2o8$277b2o$277bobo$278bo9$212bo$210bobo$211b2o65b2o$278bobo$279bo
11$279b2o$279bobo$280bo4$219bobo$220b2o$220bo5$280b2o$280bobo$281bo11$
229bo51b2o$230bo50bobo$228b3o51bo11$282b2o$282bobo$283bo6$237bo$238b2o
$237b2o3$283b2o$283bobo$284bo11$284b2o$284bobo$285bo$247bo$245bobo$
246b2o8$285b2o$285bobo$286bo9$254bobo$255b2o$255bo30b2o$286bobo$287bo
11$287b2o$287bobo$288bo3$264bo$265bo$263b3o6$288b2o$288bobo$289bo11$
272bo16b2o$273b2o14bobo$272b2o16bo11$290b2o$290bobo$291bo5$301bo$282bo
18bobo$280bobo18b2o$281b2o3$291b2o$291bobo$292bo!
...or gliders:

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x = 513, y = 695, rule = B3/S23
bo$2bo$3o9$510bo$510bobo$510b2o8$9bo$10b2o$9b2o19$19bo$17bobo$18b2o19$
26bobo$27b2o$27bo18$36bo$37bo$35b3o19$44bo$45b2o$44b2o19$54bo$52bobo$
53b2o19$61bobo$62b2o$62bo18$71bo$72bo$70b3o19$79bo$80b2o$79b2o19$89bo$
87bobo$88b2o19$96bobo$97b2o$97bo18$106bo$107bo$105b3o19$114bo$115b2o$
114b2o19$124bo$122bobo$123b2o19$131bobo$132b2o$132bo18$141bo$142bo$
140b3o9$402bo$402bobo$402b2o8$149bo$150b2o$149b2o19$159bo$157bobo$158b
2o19$166bobo$167b2o$167bo18$176bo$177bo$175b3o19$184bo$185b2o$184b2o
19$194bo$192bobo$193b2o19$201bobo$202b2o$202bo18$211bo$212bo$210b3o19$
219bo$220b2o$219b2o3$2b3o$4bo$3bo3$11b2o$12b2o$11bo3$20b2o$19bobo$21bo
3$29bo$29b2o198bo$28bobo196bobo$228b2o3$37b3o$39bo$38bo3$46b2o$47b2o$
46bo3$55b2o$54bobo$56bo3$64bo$64b2o170bobo$63bobo171b2o$237bo3$72b3o$
74bo$73bo3$81b2o$82b2o$81bo3$90b2o$89bobo$91bo3$99bo146bo$99b2o146bo$
98bobo144b3o4$107b3o$109bo$108bo3$116b2o$117b2o$116bo3$125b2o$124bobo$
126bo3$134bo119bo$134b2o119b2o$133bobo118b2o4$142b3o$144bo$143bo3$151b
2o$152b2o$151bo3$160b2o$159bobo$161bo3$169bo94bo$169b2o91bobo$168bobo
92b2o4$177b3o$179bo$178bo3$186b2o$187b2o$186bo3$195b2o$194bobo$196bo3$
204bo66bobo$204b2o66b2o$203bobo66bo4$212b3o$214bo$213bo3$221b2o$222b2o
$221bo3$230b2o$229bobo$231bo2$281bo$239bo42bo$239b2o39b3o$238bobo4$
247b3o$249bo$248bo2$294bo$256b2o36bobo$257b2o35b2o$256bo3$265b2o$264bo
bo$266bo3$274bo$274b2o$273bobo4$282b3o$284bo$283bo!
Ivan Fomichev

RakeGuy1246
Posts: 56
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Re: Methuselah based spaceships

Post by RakeGuy1246 » June 26th, 2020, 8:03 pm

codeholic wrote:
December 8th, 2013, 10:43 am
Here you are:

Code: Select all

x = 181, y = 147, rule = B3/S23
51b3o$51bo2bo$51bo$51bo3bo$51bo3bo2b2o$51bo6bobo$52bobo3bo3$66bo$65b3o
12bo$58bo6bob2o3b3o4b3o12bo$57b3o6b3o3bo2bo3bob2o3b3o4b3o12bo$56b2obo
6b2o4bo7b3o3bo2bo3bob2o3b3o4b3o12bo$49bo6b3o13bo3bo3b2o4bo7b3o3bo2bo3b
ob2o3b3o4b3o12bo$48b3o5b3o13bo3bo9bo3bo3b2o4bo7b3o3bo2bo3bob2o3b3o4b3o
12bo$48bob2o4b3o13bo13bo3bo9bo3bo3b2o4bo7b3o3bo2bo3bob2o3b3o4b3o12bo$
49b3o5b2o14bobo10bo13bo3bo9bo3bo3b2o4bo7b3o3bo2bo3bob2o3b3o4b3o$49b2o
36bobo10bo13bo3bo9bo3bo3b2o4bo7b3o3bo2bo3bob2o3b3o$101bobo10bo13bo3bo
9bo3bo3b2o4bo7b3o3bo2bo$115bobo10bo13bo3bo9bo3bo3b2o4bo$129bobo10bo13b
o3bo9bo3bo$52b3o88bobo10bo13bo3bo$51bo2bo102bobo10bo6b3o$54bo116bobo3b
o2bo$54bo122bo$51bobo123bo$178bobo2$166bo$152bo12b3o$138bo12b3o4b3o3b
2obo$124bo12b3o4b3o3b2obo3bo2bo3b3o8b3o$110bo12b3o4b3o3b2obo3bo2bo3b3o
7bo4b2o8bo2bo$96bo12b3o4b3o3b2obo3bo2bo3b3o7bo4b2o3bo3bo14bo$82bo12b3o
4b3o3b2obo3bo2bo3b3o7bo4b2o3bo3bo9bo3bo14bo$68bo12b3o4b3o3b2obo3bo2bo
3b3o7bo4b2o3bo3bo9bo3bo13bo15bobo$54bo12b3o4b3o3b2obo3bo2bo3b3o7bo4b2o
3bo3bo9bo3bo13bo10bobo$53b3o4b3o3b2obo3bo2bo3b3o7bo4b2o3bo3bo9bo3bo13b
o10bobo$46b3o3b2obo3bo2bo3b3o7bo4b2o3bo3bo9bo3bo13bo10bobo$35b3o7bo2bo
3b3o7bo4b2o3bo3bo9bo3bo13bo10bobo$35bo2bo9bo4b2o3bo3bo9bo3bo13bo10bobo
$35bo8bo3bo9bo3bo13bo10bobo$35bo3bo4bo3bo13bo10bobo$35bo3bo8bo10bobo$
35bo9bobo$36bobo3$50bo$49b3o12bo$42bo6bob2o3b3o4b3o12bo$41b3o6b3o3bo2b
o3bob2o3b3o4b3o12bo$40b2obo6b2o4bo7b3o3bo2bo3bob2o3b3o4b3o12bo$33bo6b
3o13bo3bo3b2o4bo7b3o3bo2bo3bob2o3b3o4b3o12bo$32b3o5b3o13bo3bo9bo3bo3b
2o4bo7b3o3bo2bo3bob2o3b3o4b3o12bo$32bob2o4b3o13bo13bo3bo9bo3bo3b2o4bo
7b3o3bo2bo3bob2o3b3o4b3o12bo$33b3o5b2o14bobo10bo13bo3bo9bo3bo3b2o4bo7b
3o3bo2bo3bob2o3b3o4b3o$33b2o36bobo10bo13bo3bo9bo3bo3b2o4bo7b3o3bo2bo3b
ob2o3b3o$85bobo10bo13bo3bo9bo3bo3b2o4bo7b3o3bo2bo$99bobo10bo13bo3bo9bo
3bo3b2o4bo$113bobo10bo13bo3bo9bo3bo$36b3o88bobo10bo13bo3bo$35bo2bo102b
obo10bo6b3o$38bo116bobo3bo2bo$38bo122bo$35bobo123bo$162bobo2$150bo$
136bo12b3o$122bo12b3o4b3o3b2obo$108bo12b3o4b3o3b2obo3bo2bo3b3o8b3o$94b
o12b3o4b3o3b2obo3bo2bo3b3o7bo4b2o8bo2bo$80bo12b3o4b3o3b2obo3bo2bo3b3o
7bo4b2o3bo3bo14bo$66bo12b3o4b3o3b2obo3bo2bo3b3o7bo4b2o3bo3bo9bo3bo14bo
$52bo12b3o4b3o3b2obo3bo2bo3b3o7bo4b2o3bo3bo9bo3bo13bo15bobo$38bo12b3o
4b3o3b2obo3bo2bo3b3o7bo4b2o3bo3bo9bo3bo13bo10bobo$37b3o4b3o3b2obo3bo2b
o3b3o7bo4b2o3bo3bo9bo3bo13bo10bobo$30b3o3b2obo3bo2bo3b3o7bo4b2o3bo3bo
9bo3bo13bo10bobo$19b3o7bo2bo3b3o7bo4b2o3bo3bo9bo3bo13bo10bobo$19bo2bo
9bo4b2o3bo3bo9bo3bo13bo10bobo$19bo8bo3bo9bo3bo13bo10bobo$19bo3bo4bo3bo
13bo10bobo$19bo3bo8bo10bobo$19bo9bobo$20bobo3$34bo$33b3o12bo$26bo6bob
2o3b3o4b3o12bo$25b3o6b3o3bo2bo3bob2o3b3o4b3o12bo$24b2obo6b2o4bo7b3o3bo
2bo3bob2o3b3o4b3o12bo$17bo6b3o13bo3bo3b2o4bo7b3o3bo2bo3bob2o3b3o4b3o
12bo$16b3o5b3o13bo3bo9bo3bo3b2o4bo7b3o3bo2bo3bob2o3b3o4b3o12bo$16bob2o
4b3o13bo13bo3bo9bo3bo3b2o4bo7b3o3bo2bo3bob2o3b3o4b3o12bo$17b3o5b2o14bo
bo10bo13bo3bo9bo3bo3b2o4bo7b3o3bo2bo3bob2o3b3o4b3o$17b2o36bobo10bo13bo
3bo9bo3bo3b2o4bo7b3o3bo2bo3bob2o3b3o$69bobo10bo13bo3bo9bo3bo3b2o4bo7b
3o3bo2bo$83bobo10bo13bo3bo9bo3bo3b2o4bo$97bobo10bo13bo3bo9bo3bo$20b3o
88bobo10bo13bo3bo$19bo2bo102bobo10bo6b3o$22bo116bobo3bo2bo$22bo122bo$
19bobo123bo$146bobo2$134bo$120bo12b3o$106bo12b3o4b3o3b2obo$92bo12b3o4b
3o3b2obo3bo2bo3b3o8b3o$78bo12b3o4b3o3b2obo3bo2bo3b3o7bo4b2o8bo2bo$64bo
12b3o4b3o3b2obo3bo2bo3b3o7bo4b2o3bo3bo14bo$50bo12b3o4b3o3b2obo3bo2bo3b
3o7bo4b2o3bo3bo9bo3bo14bo$36bo12b3o4b3o3b2obo3bo2bo3b3o7bo4b2o3bo3bo9b
o3bo13bo15bobo$22bo12b3o4b3o3b2obo3bo2bo3b3o7bo4b2o3bo3bo9bo3bo13bo10b
obo$21b3o4b3o3b2obo3bo2bo3b3o7bo4b2o3bo3bo9bo3bo13bo10bobo$14b3o3b2obo
3bo2bo3b3o7bo4b2o3bo3bo9bo3bo13bo10bobo$3b3o7bo2bo3b3o7bo4b2o3bo3bo9bo
3bo13bo10bobo$3bo2bo9bo4b2o3bo3bo9bo3bo13bo10bobo$3bo8bo3bo9bo3bo13bo
10bobo$3bo3bo4bo3bo13bo10bobo$3bo3bo8bo10bobo$3bo9bobo$4bobo5$10bo$9b
3o$8b2obo$bo6b3o$3o5b3o$ob2o4b3o$b3o5b2o$b2o4$4b3o$3bo2bo$6bo$6bo$3bob
o!
Could someone please use this design to make a rake?

Hunting
Posts: 4395
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Re: Methuselah based spaceships

Post by Hunting » June 26th, 2020, 10:11 pm

RakeGuy1246 wrote:
June 26th, 2020, 8:03 pm
codeholic wrote:
December 8th, 2013, 10:43 am
Here you are:

Code: Select all

x = 181, y = 147, rule = B3/S23
51b3o$51bo2bo$51bo$51bo3bo$51bo3bo2b2o$51bo6bobo$52bobo3bo3$66bo$65b3o
12bo$58bo6bob2o3b3o4b3o12bo$57b3o6b3o3bo2bo3bob2o3b3o4b3o12bo$56b2obo
6b2o4bo7b3o3bo2bo3bob2o3b3o4b3o12bo$49bo6b3o13bo3bo3b2o4bo7b3o3bo2bo3b
ob2o3b3o4b3o12bo$48b3o5b3o13bo3bo9bo3bo3b2o4bo7b3o3bo2bo3bob2o3b3o4b3o
12bo$48bob2o4b3o13bo13bo3bo9bo3bo3b2o4bo7b3o3bo2bo3bob2o3b3o4b3o12bo$
49b3o5b2o14bobo10bo13bo3bo9bo3bo3b2o4bo7b3o3bo2bo3bob2o3b3o4b3o$49b2o
36bobo10bo13bo3bo9bo3bo3b2o4bo7b3o3bo2bo3bob2o3b3o$101bobo10bo13bo3bo
9bo3bo3b2o4bo7b3o3bo2bo$115bobo10bo13bo3bo9bo3bo3b2o4bo$129bobo10bo13b
o3bo9bo3bo$52b3o88bobo10bo13bo3bo$51bo2bo102bobo10bo6b3o$54bo116bobo3b
o2bo$54bo122bo$51bobo123bo$178bobo2$166bo$152bo12b3o$138bo12b3o4b3o3b
2obo$124bo12b3o4b3o3b2obo3bo2bo3b3o8b3o$110bo12b3o4b3o3b2obo3bo2bo3b3o
7bo4b2o8bo2bo$96bo12b3o4b3o3b2obo3bo2bo3b3o7bo4b2o3bo3bo14bo$82bo12b3o
4b3o3b2obo3bo2bo3b3o7bo4b2o3bo3bo9bo3bo14bo$68bo12b3o4b3o3b2obo3bo2bo
3b3o7bo4b2o3bo3bo9bo3bo13bo15bobo$54bo12b3o4b3o3b2obo3bo2bo3b3o7bo4b2o
3bo3bo9bo3bo13bo10bobo$53b3o4b3o3b2obo3bo2bo3b3o7bo4b2o3bo3bo9bo3bo13b
o10bobo$46b3o3b2obo3bo2bo3b3o7bo4b2o3bo3bo9bo3bo13bo10bobo$35b3o7bo2bo
3b3o7bo4b2o3bo3bo9bo3bo13bo10bobo$35bo2bo9bo4b2o3bo3bo9bo3bo13bo10bobo
$35bo8bo3bo9bo3bo13bo10bobo$35bo3bo4bo3bo13bo10bobo$35bo3bo8bo10bobo$
35bo9bobo$36bobo3$50bo$49b3o12bo$42bo6bob2o3b3o4b3o12bo$41b3o6b3o3bo2b
o3bob2o3b3o4b3o12bo$40b2obo6b2o4bo7b3o3bo2bo3bob2o3b3o4b3o12bo$33bo6b
3o13bo3bo3b2o4bo7b3o3bo2bo3bob2o3b3o4b3o12bo$32b3o5b3o13bo3bo9bo3bo3b
2o4bo7b3o3bo2bo3bob2o3b3o4b3o12bo$32bob2o4b3o13bo13bo3bo9bo3bo3b2o4bo
7b3o3bo2bo3bob2o3b3o4b3o12bo$33b3o5b2o14bobo10bo13bo3bo9bo3bo3b2o4bo7b
3o3bo2bo3bob2o3b3o4b3o$33b2o36bobo10bo13bo3bo9bo3bo3b2o4bo7b3o3bo2bo3b
ob2o3b3o$85bobo10bo13bo3bo9bo3bo3b2o4bo7b3o3bo2bo$99bobo10bo13bo3bo9bo
3bo3b2o4bo$113bobo10bo13bo3bo9bo3bo$36b3o88bobo10bo13bo3bo$35bo2bo102b
obo10bo6b3o$38bo116bobo3bo2bo$38bo122bo$35bobo123bo$162bobo2$150bo$
136bo12b3o$122bo12b3o4b3o3b2obo$108bo12b3o4b3o3b2obo3bo2bo3b3o8b3o$94b
o12b3o4b3o3b2obo3bo2bo3b3o7bo4b2o8bo2bo$80bo12b3o4b3o3b2obo3bo2bo3b3o
7bo4b2o3bo3bo14bo$66bo12b3o4b3o3b2obo3bo2bo3b3o7bo4b2o3bo3bo9bo3bo14bo
$52bo12b3o4b3o3b2obo3bo2bo3b3o7bo4b2o3bo3bo9bo3bo13bo15bobo$38bo12b3o
4b3o3b2obo3bo2bo3b3o7bo4b2o3bo3bo9bo3bo13bo10bobo$37b3o4b3o3b2obo3bo2b
o3b3o7bo4b2o3bo3bo9bo3bo13bo10bobo$30b3o3b2obo3bo2bo3b3o7bo4b2o3bo3bo
9bo3bo13bo10bobo$19b3o7bo2bo3b3o7bo4b2o3bo3bo9bo3bo13bo10bobo$19bo2bo
9bo4b2o3bo3bo9bo3bo13bo10bobo$19bo8bo3bo9bo3bo13bo10bobo$19bo3bo4bo3bo
13bo10bobo$19bo3bo8bo10bobo$19bo9bobo$20bobo3$34bo$33b3o12bo$26bo6bob
2o3b3o4b3o12bo$25b3o6b3o3bo2bo3bob2o3b3o4b3o12bo$24b2obo6b2o4bo7b3o3bo
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Could someone please use this design to make a rake?
That's not a rake design, it's a helix for a caterpillar. Using that only for a rake is completely overkill and I bet it won't be interesting to watch either.

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Re: Methuselah based spaceships

Post by RakeGuy1246 » June 27th, 2020, 8:37 am

Hunting wrote:
June 26th, 2020, 10:11 pm
RakeGuy1246 wrote:
June 26th, 2020, 8:03 pm
codeholic wrote:
December 8th, 2013, 10:43 am
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Could someone please use this design to make a rake?
That's not a rake design, it's a helix for a caterpillar. Using that only for a rake is completely overkill and I bet it won't be interesting to watch either.
I just saw that gliders were being outputted by the zig-zag LWSSes and wondered of that could be used for a rake. Also, I didn't ask if it would be interesting, I just wanted to see if that design could be used for a rake, even if it's overkill.

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Re: Methuselah based spaceships

Post by toroidalet » June 27th, 2020, 12:50 pm

Welcome to the forums!

PkmnQ didn't necessarily mean that using a helix to make a rake was "overkill", rather they meant that it would not work at all, since more spaceships are being consumed than emitted. However, its speed, (13,1)c/31, is special because one of the B-glider reactions mentioned earlier in the thread moves at that speed, so it could be theoretically possible to make a spaceship with it.

A thread was made to construct the ship, which ended up being a few posts about "how do we design this thing?" and then it sort of died. (The last post in it, from 2017, just explains what "LTL" stands for.)
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Re: Methuselah based spaceships

Post by dvgrn » June 27th, 2020, 1:22 pm

toroidalet wrote:
June 27th, 2020, 12:50 pm
PkmnQ didn't necessarily mean that using a helix to make a rake was "overkill", rather they meant that it would not work at all, since more spaceships are being consumed than emitted. However, its speed, (13,1)c/31, is special because one of the B-glider reactions mentioned earlier in the thread moves at that speed, so it could be theoretically possible to make a spaceship with it.
Maybe I'm thinking about it all wrong, but it seems like the reason why it wouldn't work at all is that we don't have anything that moves at (13,1)c/31 obliquely, or 17c/80 orthogonally, or whatever the diagonal equivalent speeds might be that could produce the right outputs. So even if we constructed one cycle of the helix and stuck a glider on the front to burn it, the next helix segment would inevitably show up in the wrong place.

If the speed was something like (13,1)c/240 then at least we could maybe make a ridiculously huge array of slide guns and change the construction point every cycle, which would ultimately make something called a tethered rake. But I don't think there's any slide-gun technology that can move anywhere near a quarter of lightspeed (17c/80, assuming again that I'm looking at it right).

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Re: Methuselah based spaceships

Post by RakeGuy1246 » July 1st, 2020, 4:19 pm

dvgrn wrote:
June 27th, 2020, 1:22 pm
toroidalet wrote:
June 27th, 2020, 12:50 pm
PkmnQ didn't necessarily mean that using a helix to make a rake was "overkill", rather they meant that it would not work at all, since more spaceships are being consumed than emitted. However, its speed, (13,1)c/31, is special because one of the B-glider reactions mentioned earlier in the thread moves at that speed, so it could be theoretically possible to make a spaceship with it.
Maybe I'm thinking about it all wrong, but it seems like the reason why it wouldn't work at all is that we don't have anything that moves at (13,1)c/31 obliquely, or 17c/80 orthogonally, or whatever the diagonal equivalent speeds might be that could produce the right outputs. So even if we constructed one cycle of the helix and stuck a glider on the front to burn it, the next helix segment would inevitably show up in the wrong place.

If the speed was something like (13,1)c/240 then at least we could maybe make a ridiculously huge array of slide guns and change the construction point every cycle, which would ultimately make something called a tethered rake. But I don't think there's any slide-gun technology that can move anywhere near a quarter of lightspeed (17c/80, assuming again that I'm looking at it right).
Do we have any slide guns the shoot at twice the speed? Because then be can use rakes to place and remove a block with every other one, to half the speed of the slide guns, to make a tethered rake.

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Re: Methuselah based spaceships

Post by dvgrn » July 1st, 2020, 6:30 pm

RakeGuy1246 wrote:
July 1st, 2020, 4:19 pm
Do we have any slide guns the shoot at twice the speed? Because then be can use rakes to place and remove a block with every other one, to half the speed of the slide guns, to make a tethered rake.
I don't think so. I mean, you can stack two slide guns next to each other and make kind of a pseudo-slide-gun sometimes. But if we had a slide gun that could shoot at speed 2N, then presumably we'd also have one that could shoot at speed N.

Your idea about rakes might be workable, though. It seems like it might be possible to build c/2 rakes that build a fuse that then burns at 17c/80 orthogonally, producing the gliders you want. Or the *WSSes you want, directly. Maybe. Assuming I calculated the 17c/80 figure correctly.

Rakes to build those fuses would be a fairly tall order, and in the end you wouldn't have either a rake or a tethered rake, you'd have some huge unwieldy growing pattern that, at a microscopic scale relative to the scale of the whole pattern, builds a helix and then burns it for no particular reason. It's probably simpler to just go ahead and solve all the problems relating to actually building a (13,1)c/31 spaceship.

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Re: Methuselah based spaceships

Post by RakeGuy1246 » July 2nd, 2020, 7:18 pm

dvgrn wrote:
July 1st, 2020, 6:30 pm
RakeGuy1246 wrote:
July 1st, 2020, 4:19 pm
Do we have any slide guns the shoot at twice the speed? Because then be can use rakes to place and remove a block with every other one, to half the speed of the slide guns, to make a tethered rake.
I don't think so. I mean, you can stack two slide guns next to each other and make kind of a pseudo-slide-gun sometimes. But if we had a slide gun that could shoot at speed 2N, then presumably we'd also have one that could shoot at speed N.

Your idea about rakes might be workable, though. It seems like it might be possible to build c/2 rakes that build a fuse that then burns at 17c/80 orthogonally, producing the gliders you want. Or the *WSSes you want, directly. Maybe. Assuming I calculated the 17c/80 figure correctly.

Rakes to build those fuses would be a fairly tall order, and in the end you wouldn't have either a rake or a tethered rake, you'd have some huge unwieldy growing pattern that, at a microscopic scale relative to the scale of the whole pattern, builds a helix and then burns it for no particular reason. It's probably simpler to just go ahead and solve all the problems relating to actually building a (13,1)c/31 spaceship.
Or we could just use rakes that shoot LWSSes backwards, then time them right to make layers of the fuse.

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Re: Methuselah based spaceships

Post by dvgrn » July 2nd, 2020, 8:24 pm

RakeGuy1246 wrote:
July 2nd, 2020, 7:18 pm
Or we could just use rakes that shoot LWSSes backwards, then time them right to make layers of the fuse.
Yeah, um, well, give it a try and see how it goes! Unfortunately that reads kind of like, "If we flap our arms really really hard maybe we can reach the moon."

Building any finite piece of that helix is pretty much trivial, just tedious if it's a big enough chunk. But solving the problems you have to solve to get a finite chunk of pattern to start building that helix and keep building it indefinitely -- that seems a lot trickier.

Designing a horribly complicated fuse that can be built faster than it is consumed, and that will burn and somehow produce the helix... seems like the *easy* option here -- except maybe the actual (13,1)c/31 spaceship would be easier. But it's still not too clear why this is an interesting problem to solve. E.g., why not build some other oblique *WSS helix instead, that's a little less ridiculously huge, like

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Or if you'd really be just as happy with an orthogonal fuse instead of an oblique one, then we already have the Caterpillar.

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Re: Methuselah based spaceships

Post by RakeGuy1246 » July 2nd, 2020, 9:07 pm

dvgrn wrote:
July 2nd, 2020, 8:24 pm
E.g., why not build some other oblique *WSS helix instead, that's a little less ridiculously huge, like

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As long as you use rakes to build a fuse as fast as it can be burned, to make a rake out of it, i'll be happy. The *WSS rakes don't even have to go as fast as the fuse burns since the *WSSes move away from the rakes, so we just have to worry about timing the rakes just right to continuously make segments of the fuse without getting offset enough at any point to make the fuse stop working.

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Re: Methuselah based spaceships

Post by dvgrn » July 2nd, 2020, 10:16 pm

RakeGuy1246 wrote:
July 2nd, 2020, 9:07 pm
The *WSS rakes don't even have to go as fast as the fuse burns since the *WSSes move away from the rakes...
Seems like that would only be true if the helix is an orthogonal one, like the one in the Caterpillar. Otherwise the rakes building the helix-making fuse have to go perpendicular(ish) to the helix, because *WSS rakes moving away from the fuse would only be able to supply one *WSS, and then they'd be out of alignment.

Looks like I got the math wrong, though -- it wouldn't be 17c/80, it would be 16c/80, which is just c/5. We do have c/5 orthogonal rakes, for example forerakes at period 165+5N. Not sure about backrakes, and I don't remember if they can be stacked easily to get period 80 which is what we really need. But that might mean that that particular (13,1)c/31 helix could theoretically be built by a growing mess of sideways rakes.

Even when the pattern started, though, it would be so big that the helix would look like a tiny smudge in the middle. An orthogonal helix would still be a lot easier. Check out the one in the Caterpillar to get a general idea of the amount of work it takes to build one of these patterns. The Caterpillar construction took many months of research, and then writing a program to put all the pieces together. It wouldn't be that bad if the helix was being built with rakes traveling at 180 degrees, but there would be a bunch of new glider-recipe clearance problems to solve, and it would still end up pretty huge.

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Re: Methuselah based spaceships

Post by RakeGuy1246 » July 3rd, 2020, 11:35 am

dvgrn wrote:
July 2nd, 2020, 10:16 pm
Seems like that would only be true if the helix is an orthogonal one, like the one in the Caterpillar.
Speaking of the fuse on the Caterpillar, I watched as the Caterpillar constructed the fuse, and instead of building horizontal layers, it built vertical layers, from right to left (but of course it is possible to build it left to right as well, because of the fairly symmetric design of the fuse), with the building mechanism off to the side. Perhaps we could use the same method to construct the fuse for a rake?

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