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### Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries

Sokwe wrote:
pcallahan wrote:Is there a smaller p120 MWSS anyone knows of than this one?...

Can it not be made smaller with Michael Simkin's small p120 gun?

Yup, that does cut it down quite a bit:

x = 65, y = 61, rule = LifeHistory52.3B.2A.A$51.5BA.2A$50.5B$50.4B$49.4B$48.4B.3B.B2.4B$41.18B.4B$40.3B3A10B2A5B2A$40.3B2AB2A8B2A5B2A$40.3B2AB2A14B.B$38.7B2A12B2AB$37.13B2.7B2A$37.10B6.8B$38.7B7.7B$36.8B6.10B$36.2A7B2.13B$35.B2A21B$33.B.22B$32.2A5B2A16B$32.2A5B2A16B$33.4B.18B$33.4B2.B.3B.4B$44.4B$43.4B$34.2A6.4B$34.A6.4B$22.3B2AB3.BA.A5.ABAB$20.4BABA3B.B2A5.B2AB$3.B4.BABA2B.B2.5BA8B6.3BA$.3BA4BA2BA10BA2BA5B5.4B$.4B2A5B2A5B.3BA7B5.4B$2A8BA3B2A8BABA3B5.4B$2AB.8B2A11B2AB6.4B$.B4.3BA2BA8BAB10.4B$8.BABA2B3.5B2A8.4B$21.2A2B.4B.5B.B.B.B.B.B.B.B.B.B.B.B.A$22.35BA3BA$23.39BA$24.33BA4BA$25.33B5A$26.35B$13.A5B6.3B.2B.B.B.B.B.B.B.B.B.B.B.B.B.B.B$6.B4.4A6B4.4B$5.2AB.BABAB2A7B.5B$5.2A2BA2BAB3A12B$6.4BABAB2A13B$6.5B4A14B$8.B4.A5B4.3BA3B$23.2B3A2B$23.B5AB$23.ABABABA$23.2A3B2A$23.7B$24.5B$24.2BA2B$25.ABAB$25.ABAB$26.A3B$25.2A2B$24.B2A2B$25.2A!

But here's a smaller one by David Eppstein from the previous millennium (if you count 2000 as the last year of the thousand years, like you're officially supposed to):

#C p120 MWSS gun#C David Eppstein, 5 March 2000x = 56, y = 52, rule = B3/S2321b2o$21bobo$9bo12b3o$6b4o3b2o8b3o6b2o$5b4o3b2o8b3o7b2o$5bo2bo3b2obob2o2bobo$5b4o4bobob2o2b2o$6b4o3bob2o$9bo4$51b5o$50bo4bo$31bo23bo$2b3o11b2o12b2o18bo3bo$bo3bo9b3o12bobo19bo$o5bo5bob2o5b2o$o5bo5bo2bo4bo2b2o22bo$3bo8bob2o4b2ob2o22b3o$bo3bo9b3o3b3o26bo$2b3o11b2o31b2o$3bo18b3o13b2o$38b2o$21bobobo$2b2o11b2o2b3obob3o$2b2o11bo2bo5bo3bo$9bo6b2obob2o2b2obo4b2o14b2o3b2o$8b3o6bob2o2b2o2bo6b2o13b2o3b2o$7b5o5bo4bo2b2o6bo12bo3b5o$6b2o3b2o3b2obobo2bo20b2o4bobo$15bo2b2ob4o20bobo$15b2o3bo30b3o$10bo9bobo$10bo10b2o3bo$26b2o$6b2o17bobo$7bo42bo$4b3o42bobo$4bo43bo3bo$10bo7bo30b3o$8bobo5b4o27b2o3b2o$2o4b2o8b2o2bo2b2o$2o4b2o11b2o2b2o$6b2o7bo10b2o$8bobo4bo10b3o11b2o$10bo4bo10b2o12b2o4b4o$23b2o12b2o6b6o$23b2o11b3o5bo3b2obo$37b2o6bo5bo$40b2o8bo$40b2o!

... which can be made less square and more exciting by modern technology, but it doesn't actually improve the bounding box:

x = 72, y = 44, rule = B3/S2321b2o$21b2o$8bo4bo10b2o$6bobo4bo10b3o5b2o$4b2o7bo10b2o6b2o$4b2o11b2o2b2o$4b2o8b2o2bo2b2o$6bobo5b4o$8bo7bo4$67b5o$66bo4bo$2b3o66bo$bo3bo10bo49bo3bo$o5bo6b4o5bo45bo$2obob2o5b4o5b3o$12bo2bo4bob2o$12b4o3b2o2b2o31b3o$3bo9b4o3b5o30bo3bo$2bobo11bo3b2o2bo13bo15b2obobo$2bobo32b2o15bo4bo$3bo33bobo12b2ob4ob3o$21b2ob2o25b2obo4bo3bo$2b2o11b2o2b3obob3o22bo3bob2obobobo$2b2o5bo5bo2bo4bo4bo21bobobob2obo3bo5b2o$8b3o5b2obob2o2b2obo21bo3bo4bob2o6b2o$7b5o5bobo3b2o2bo23b3ob4ob2o$6bobobobo4bobob2o2b2o27bo4bo7b4o$6b2o3b2o3b2obo4bo29bobob2o7bo3bo$15bo2b2ob4o29bo3bo10bobo$15b2o3bo34b3o10b3o$20bobo$21b2o45b3o$53b2o9bo3bo2bo$6b2o44b4o7bobo4b2o$7bo39bobo2bo2b3o5b2obo$4b3o39bo2bo2b2o9b2ob2o$4bo32b2o6b2o9bo6b2obo$37b2o4b2o3bo8bo5bobo$45b2o10bo6bo$46bo2bo$47bobo!

If there are other cleverer ways to fit old and new pieces together to get a smaller bounding box, I'm not finding them:

x = 73, y = 53, rule = LifeHistory41.B4.B2A3B$5.A.2A.3B26.8BA2BA3B$5.2A.A5B25.5A7BA4B2.B.BABA2B$10.5B23.A5BA6BA7BA3BA4B$11.4B23.A2B.2A7BA2B.4BA10B$12.4B23.A4.3BA2BA7BA4BA6B$.A2BA2.B.A2B.4B29.B2A10BA10B$.3BA.3BA2B2A10B27.8BA3BA6B.2A$A7BA5BA10B25.ABA5B2.BABA2B.2BA2.A$2A7BABA2B2A9B24.B2AB4.B10.B3A$.B.3BA2BA3B2A10B23.3BA4.4B8.B$3.A2BA4B3A13B20.4B5.3A3B7.3A$4.2A7B2.13B18.4B4.BA3BA3B7.A.A$4.8B6.10B17.4B5.BABAB2AB.B4.A3.A$6.7B7.7B17.4B4.2B.AB.2BA.3B3.4A$5.10B6.8B14.4B5.3A.4A.2A2B$5.13B2.7B2A13.4B4.BA3BA4.AB2A2B4.2A$6.21B2AB11.4B4.2BABA.A.2A.A3BAB4.2A$8.22B.B8.4B6.BA3BA.2A.A.ABA2B$8.16B2A5B2A6.4B7.2B2ABA4.A3BAB$8.16B2A5B2A5.4B9.2B2A.4A.3A$9.18B.4B5.4B10.3B.A2B.BA.2B$16.4B.3B.B2.4B4.4B12.B.B2ABABAB$17.BABA14.ABAB14.3BA3BAB$18.B2AB12.B2AB16.3B3A$19.A3B8.B.3BA19.4B$20.4B8.4B22.B$21.4B.4B.5B.B.B.B.B.B.B.B.B.B.B.3B.B.B.B.B.A.B$22.45BA3BAB$23.49BA$24.43BA4BA$25.43B5A$26.47B$13.3B2AB6.6B.B.B.B.B.B.B.B.B.B.B.B.B.B.B.B.B.B.B.B.B.B$6.B4.3BA2BA3B4.2A2B$5.2AB.4BA7B2A.3BAB$5.2A6BA6BA6BAB$6.7BA7B6A2B$6.8BA2BA11B$8.B4.3B2AB4.7B$23.7B$23.2A3B2A$23.B5AB$23.B2AB2AB$23.B2AB2AB$24.B3AB$24.5B$25.4B$25.4B$26.4B$25.4B$24.B2A2B$25.2A!

x = 55, y = 60, rule = LifeHistory7.2A3.2A$7.A.A.A2.A.2A$9.A.2A.A.2A$4.4B2A.A2.A$4.7B2.2A$3.6B$3.5B10.B$2.7B7.BA2B$2.7B5.B2A3B22.B2A.2A.A$2.7B4.B3A4BA19.BABABA.2A$2.2B3A2B3.B.B2A2BA2B18.3BAB$2.BA3BAB2.BAB.2BA.2B.BA16.4B$2.A5BA2.3AB.4A.3B15.4B$3.A3BA2.B3ABA4.ABA3B12.4B.3B.B2.4B$2.2B3AB2.A3B2A.2A.A.5B4.18B.4B$3.B3A7B.A.2A.2A3BA4.16B2A5B2A$3.6B.3BABA4.AB3AB4.16B2A5B2A$2.7B3.3B.4A.B3A5.22B.B$2.2B.4B3.AB.2B.A2B.BAB3.21B2AB$.8B5.2BA2B2AB.B3.13B2.7B2A$.B3A5B4.A4B3AB3.11B6.8B$B2AB2A3BAB5.3B2AB4.9B7.7B$B2AB2AB.2B2A4.2BAB6.8B6.10B$B5AB2.2A2B4.B7.B2A7B2.2B3AB3A4B$2A3B2A3.4B11.B2A10B4ABA2BA2B$7B4.4B8.B.12BABA7B$7B5.4B6.2A5B2A15BA$.5B7.4B5.2A5B2A8B3A5B$.5B8.4B5.4B.12B2A2B2A$.2A2B10.4B4.4B2.B.3B.4B$.4B11.4B14.4B$4B13.4B12.4B$.4B13.4B8.B.4B$.2B2AB13.4B8.4B$3.2A15.4B.4B.5B.B.B.B.B.B.B.B.B.B.B$21.34B$22.2BA25B5A$23.2B2A22BA4BA$24.2A28BA$25.24BA3BAB$12.4B2A6.6B.B.B.B.B.B.B.B.B.B.B.A.B$5.B4.5BA3BA4.BA2B$4.2AB.6BA5BAB.BABAB$4.2A8BA3BAB2A2BABAB$5.9BA5BA4BA2B$5.10BA3BA8B$7.B4.4B2A4.7B$22.2A3B2A$22.A5BA$22.7B$22.BA3BAB$22.2B3A2B$23.5B$23.5B$24.4B$24.4B$25.4B$24.4B$23.B2A2B$24.2A! EDIT: Hmm, I wasn't trying very hard, obviously. Silly of me to even try using that p60, anyway, when a p30 works just as well with Paul's mechanism. dvgrn Moderator Posts: 5818 Joined: May 17th, 2009, 11:00 pm Location: Madison, WI ### Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries Thanks! The one with the small p120 seems to have the smallest population and the fewest exotic components, so I'm going with that. pcallahan Posts: 302 Joined: April 26th, 2013, 1:04 pm ### Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries dvgrn wrote:If there are other cleverer ways to fit old and new pieces together to get a smaller bounding box, I'm not finding them: Assuming you posted the smallest p120 gun you could find, why did this one not show up? (am I missing something?) x = 50, y = 54, rule = LifeHistory7.2A3.2A$7.A.A.A2.A.2A$9.A.2A.A.2A$4.4B2A.A2.AB21.3B.2A.A$4.7B2.2A21.5BA.2A$3.6B26.5B$3.5B27.4B$2.7B7.2B16.4B$2.7B5.B18.4B.3B.B2.4B$2.2A3B2A4.2B6.B4.18B.4B$2.B5AB3.B.B10.16B2A5B2A$2.B2AB2AB2.3B11.16B2A5B2A$2.B2AB2AB2.4B10.17BA4B.B$3.B3AB2.2B11.24B$2.6B14.13B2.2B2A3BAB$3.7B5.3B3.11B6.A2BA4B$3.6B6.3B3.9B7.A3BA2B$2.7B7.2B3.8B6.6BA3B$2.2B.4B4.B6.B2A7B2.6BA5BA$.8B4.2B5.B2A16BA2B2A$.8BA4.2B2.B.14BA5BAB$3BA3BABAB6.2A5B2A8BABA5B$2B3A2B.2A2B4.B2A5B2A8B2A6B$B5AB2.4B4.5B.18B$ABABABA3.4B4.4B2.B.3B.4B$2A3B2A4.4B14.4B$7B5.4B12.4B$.5B7.3BA8.B.4B$.2BA2B8.3BA8.4B$.BABAB9.3AB.4B.5B.B.B.B.B.B.B.B.B.B.B$.BABAB10.34B$3BA3B10.33B$.B2A2B12.32B$.B2A2B13.31B$2.2A16.30B$7.2A4B6.6B.B.B.B.B.B.B.B.B.B.B.B.B$5.A3BA5B4.4B$3.BA5BA6B.5B$2.B2ABA3BA12B$3B2A5BA12B$2AB2A4BA13B$A.BABA.2A4B4.2B3A2B$.3AB12.BA3BAB$4.B6.B.B3.7B$.3A7.2B4.A5BA$A.A7.2B5.2A3B2A$A3.A3.2B7.7B$.4A3.3B7.5B$3.B13.6B$.2A4.B3.2A2.BA6B$.2A4.B2.BA2.A.BA5B$8.2A.A.2A.A3.4B$8.2A.A2.A.A.A$12.2A3.2A!

In fact, it could be made even smaller, but I do not know if there is a better eater available to gain 1 more row:

x = 66, y = 113, rule = LifeHistory11.2A3.2A$11.A.A.A2.A.2A17.B2A.2A.A$13.A.2A.A.2A16.BABABA.2A$8.4B2A.A2.AB17.3BAB$8.3A4B2.2A18.4B$7.B3A2B5.2B16.4B$7.A3BA4.B18.4B.3B.B2.4B$6.A5BA2.2B3.2B.B4.18B.4B$6.BA3BAB.B.B.B8.16B2A5B2A$6.2B3A5B.2B8.5B3A8B2A5B2A$6.11B.B8.7BA14B.B$6.8B.3B7.B4A3BA12B2AB$6.7B2.4B5.B2A10B2.7B2A$7.5B2.2B.3B3.B2ABA2BA3B6.8B$6.BABA2B5.3B3.2BABAB2AB7.7B$7.A2BA3B4.4B.B4ABAB6.10B$7.2B2ABA2.B3.4B3AB2A3B2.13B$6.7B2.2B3.3B2A21B$6.2B.A3B3.2B2.B.22B$5.4BAB2A4.2B2A5B2A16B$5.5BA3B4.B2A5B2A16B$4.11B4.5B.18B$4.7B.4B4.4B2.B.3B.4B$2.2B2A3B2A2.4B14.4B$2.3B5AB3.4B12.4B$3.2B2AB2AB4.3BA8.B.4B$4.B2AB2AB5.ABAB8.4B$5.B3AB7.2A2B.4B.5B.B.B.B.B.B.B.B.B.B.B.B.B.B.B$5.5B8.6B3A33B5.B$6.3B10.4B5A32B4.2B$4.4B12.3B3AB2A31B4.2B$4.2A.B13.5B2A32B4.2B$5.A16.38B4.2B$2.3A4.A5B6.6B.B.B.B.B.B.B.B.B.B.B.B.B.B.B.B.B5.2B$2.A4.BABA6B4.4B39.B$6.2A3BA7B.B2A2B$5.B2A3BA13B$2.3B.2A3BA13B$3.2A.2BABA14B$2.A.A2.B.A5B4.7B$2.AB.2B12.2B3A2B$.2AB.2B6.B.B3.BA3BAB$.3B.3B5.2B4.A5BA$.2B3.2B4.2B5.2ABAB2A$3B3.3B.2B7.7B$3B3.3B.3B7.5B$.2B3.2B11.6B$.2B3.2B.B3.2A2.ABA5B$2.2B2.B2.B2.BA2.A.2A5B$2.B3.B3.2A.A.2A.A3.4B$10.2A.A2.A.A.A$14.2A3.2A$4.B8$11.2A3.2A$11.A.A.A2.A.2A17.B2A.2A.A$13.A.2A.A.2A16.BABABA.2A$8.4B2A.A2.AB17.3BAB$8.3A4B2.2A18.4B$7.B3A2B5.2B16.4B$7.A3BA4.B18.4B.3B.B2.4B$6.A5BA2.2B3.2B.B4.18B.4B$6.BA3BAB.B.B.B8.16B2A5B2A$6.2B3A5B.2B8.5B3A8B2A5B2A$6.11B.B8.7BA14B.B$6.8B.3B7.B4A3BA12B2AB$6.7B2.4B5.B2A10B2.7B2A$7.5B2.2B.3B3.B2ABA2BA3B6.8B$6.BABA2B5.3B3.2BABAB2AB7.7B$7.A2BA3B4.4B.B4ABAB6.10B$7.2B2ABA2.B3.4B3AB2A3B2.13B$6.7B2.2B3.3B2A21B$6.2B.A3B3.2B2.B.22B$5.4BAB2A4.2B2A5B2A16B$5.5BA3B4.B2A5B2A16B$4.11B4.5B.18B$4.7B.4B4.4B2.B.3B.4B$2.2B2A3B2A2.4B14.4B$2.3B5AB3.4B12.4B$3.2B2AB2AB4.3BA8.B.4B$4.B2AB2AB5.ABAB8.4B$5.B3AB7.2A2B.4B.5B.B.B.B.B.B.B.B.B.B.B$5.5B8.6B3A25B$6.3B10.4B5A24B$4.4B12.3B3AB2A23B$4.2A.B13.5B2A24B$5.A16.30B$2.3A4.A5B6.6B.B.B.B.B.B.B.B.B.B.B.B.B$2.A4.BABA6B4.4B$6.2A3BA7B.B2A2B$5.B2A3BA13B$2.3B.2A3BA13B$3.3A2BABA14B$3.3A.B.A5B4.7B$2.2BA2B12.2B3A2B$2.2BA2B6.B.B3.BA3BAB$.3BA3B5.2B4.A5BA$.2BABA2B4.2B5.2ABAB2A$9B.2B7.7B$9B.3B7.5B$.2BABA2B11.6B$.3BA3B.B3.2A2.ABA5B$2.2BA2B2.B2.BA2.A.2A5B$2.2BA2B3.2A.A.2A.A3.4B$3.3A4.2A.A2.A.A.A$3.3A8.2A3.2A$4.B! well well, I just remindered about the p3 eater trick, so that works: x = 50, y = 51, rule = LifeHistory9.2A3.2A$9.A.A.A2.A.2A17.B2A.2A.A$11.A.2A.A.2A16.BABABA.2A$6.4B2A.A2.AB17.3BAB$6.7B2.2A18.4B$5.6B23.4B$5.5B23.4B.3B.B2.4B$4.7B7.2B.B4.B2AB2A12B.4B$4.7B5.B8.2A4BA9B2A5B2A$4.10B.2B8.7B2A7B2A5B2A$4.2B3A6B.B8.A4BAB2A13B.B$4.BA3BA2B.3B7.3B2A2BAB2A10B2AB$4.A5BA2.4B5.5BA2BA4B2.7B2A$5.A3BA2.2B.3B3.11B6.8B$4.2B3AB5.3B3.9B7.7B$5.B3A3B4.4B.8B6.10B$5.6B2.B3.4B2A7B2.13B$4.7B2.2B3.3B2A21B$4.2B.4B3.2B2.B.22B$3.8B4.2B2A5B2A16B$3.B3A5B4.B2A5B2A16B$2.B2AB2A3BAB4.5B.18B$2.B2AB2AB.2B2A4.4B2.B.3B.4B$2.B5AB2.2A2B4.2B8.4B2.B$2.2A3B2A3.4B4.B7.4B$2.7B4.4B8.B.4B$2.7B5.4B8.4B$3.5B7.4B.4B.5B.B.B.B.B.B.B.B.B.B.B$3.5B8.34B$3.5B9.BABA2BABA24B$2.6B10.B2A2B2A25B$2.2A5B10.A4BA25B$3.A4B12.30B$3AB2.6BA6.6B.B.B.B.B.B.B.B.B.B.B.B.B$A4.6BABAB4.BA2B$3.7BA3B2AB.BABAB$2.8BA3B2A3BABAB$3.7BA3B2A4BA2B$.2AB.6BABA9B$A.AB.B.5BA4.7B$BA15.2ABAB2A$.2A8.B.B3.A5BA$.B3A6.2B4.BA3BAB16.2A$.BA.BA4.2B5.2B3A2B16.A$2.A.2B2.2B7.7B4.5BA4.A.A$.3A.A3B2A7.14BABA3.2A$A5.2A2B.A6.13BA3B2A$2A5.2BA.A3.B14.BA3B2A$7.B.B.2A17.BA3B2A$8.A.A2.A16.2BABA$8.2A2.2A16.3BA! Jormungant Posts: 102 Joined: May 27th, 2016, 1:01 am ### Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries Jormungant wrote:Assuming you posted the smallest p120 gun you could find, why did this one not show up? (am I missing something?) A few classic tricks can reduce the bounding box further: x = 50, y = 50, rule = B3/S2319bo21b2obo$19bobo19bob2o$20bobo4b2o$20bo2bo3b2o$20bobo$19bobo$19bo$41b2o5b2o$6b3o32b2o5b2o$5bo3bo$4bo5bo33b2o$4bo5bo33b2o$7bo$5bo3bo$6b3o$7bo13b2o11b3ob3o$21b2o10b4obo2bo$32bobo$4b3o10b2o5b2o15bo$4b3o10b2o5b2o8b3o$3bo3bo27b2o2b2o$11bobo$2b2o3b2o3b2o$12bo5$19bo25b5o$20b2o22bo4bo$2b2o15b2o28bo$3bo40bo3bo$3o8b2o33bo$o9bo3bo5bo$9bo5bo3bobo$9bo3bob2o2bobo$9bo5bo4bo$b2o7bo3bo$obo8b2o$o16b2o3b2o$17bo5bo$b3obo5b2o$4bo2bob4o5bo3bo$4bob2o2bobo6b3o10b2o$b3o2bo24bo3bo$o5bobo21bo5bo$2o5b2o21bo3bob2o2b2o$30bo5bo3b2o$31bo3bo$32b2o!

However, Paul did say
pcallahan wrote:The one with the small p120 seems to have the smallest population and the fewest exotic components, so I'm going with that.

so I suspect minimizing the bounding box is not his goal. Even so, your glider gun reorientation does reduce the bounding box of the "simple" gun a bit:
x = 51, y = 56, rule = B3/S235b2o$5b2o2$41bo$39b3o$38bo$38b2o$5b3o$4b2ob2o$4b2ob2o$4b5o$3b2o3b2o32b2o5b2o$42b2o5b2o2$5b2o38b2o$4b5o36b2o$4bo$6b3o$8bo$6b2o14b2o11b3ob3o$6b2o14b2o10b4obo2bo$33bobo$18b2o5b2o15bo$b2o3b2o10b2o5b2o8b3o$bobobobo28b2o2b2o$2b5o5bobo$3b3o7b2o$4bo8bo5$20bo25b5o$21b2o22bo4bo$3b2o15b2o28bo$3b2o40bo3bo$12b2o33bo$11bo3bo5bo$2o8bo5bo3bobo$2o8bo3bob2o2bobo$10bo5bo4bo$11bo3bo$12b2o$18b2o3b2o$18bo5bo2$19bo3bo$20b3o7$20b2o$20b2o!
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### Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries

Sokwe wrote:so I suspect minimizing the bounding box is not his goal.

Correct. I'm working on simplifying my ancient extensible delay loop in the "components and contraptions" thread. It is much smaller than I ever imagined it being at time. I want a small, compact gun, but some of my criteria are more subjective.

With the latest minimization, a p120 recirculating MWSS loop seems small enough to consider in a design even if you're not looking to expand the size. Non-destructive reads become trivial and you get two streams of bit output for free.
x = 249, y = 61, rule = B3/S235b2o$5b2o2$41bo$39b3o$38bo187b2o$38b2o186b2o3$229bo$228bo$42b2o5b2o177bo$3b2o3b2o32b2o5b2o$5b3o$4bo3bo36b2o177b2o3b2o$5bobo37b2o180bo$6bo217bo5bo$206b3o16b2ob2o$208bo17bobo9b2o$22b2o183bo19bo9bobo$22b2o12bo190bo8b3o4b2o$3b3o30bobo8bo187b3o4bo2b4o$9bobo6b2o5b2o9b3o8b3o186b3o4b2ob3o$3bobo4b2o6b2o5b2o11bo11bo186bobo$2b5o3bo38b2o6bo180b2o$b2o3b2o47bo3bo184b2o$b2o3b2o46bo187bo2bo$54bo4bo$54b5o182bo$4bo12bo202b2o8b2o$5b2o11b2o201b2o6b2o11b2o$17b2o201bo10bo12bo$7bo32b5o55b5o$39bo4bo54bo4bo$3bo2bo37bo59bo136b2o3b2o$3b2o34bo3bo55bo3bo137b2o3b2o$9b2o30bo59bo96b2o38bo3b5o$9bobo186bo23b2o5b2o6b2o4bobo$3ob2o4b3o186b3o20b2o5b2o6bobo$4o2bo4b3o187bo41b3o$4b2o4b3o8bo203b2o$9bobo9bo203b2o$9b2o9bobo$19b2ob2o$18bo5bo217bo$21bo180b2o37bobo$18b2o3b2o177b2o12bo23bo3bo$216bobo22b3o$198b2o5b2o9b3o20b2o3b2o$20bo177b2o5b2o11bo$20bo$19bo3$21b2o186b2o$21b2o187bo$207b3o$207bo2$242b2o$242b2o!

ADDED: is there any reason not to do this at p60? I forget why I settled on p120. Sorry, not thinking clearly this morning. I assume p120 is to match the streams coming back from the best puffers I knew of at the time.

ADDED: Hmm... OK, at p60 the MWSSs don't always pass each others, sometimes they mutually annihilate. I wonder if this could be a natural computer for some linear congruential generator. I can't figure out the dynamics just looking. It may be less interesting than that and just filter it down to a p120 stream with gaps.
x = 253, y = 93, rule = B3/S2343b2o$43b2o2$57b2o$57b2o6$57bo$56b3o$41b5o10b3o$40bob3obo$41bo3bo8b2o3b2o$42b3o9b2o3b2o$43bo2$57b2o$56bobo$41bo13b2o2bo$41bo14b2o168b2o$40bobo5bo7b2o168b2o$39b2ob2o2bobo7bo$38bo5bo2b2o$41bo14bo5bo$38b2o3b2o11bo5bo$51b2o4bo3bo164bo$51b2o5b3o163b2ob2o2$223bo5bo2$38b2o183b2obob2o$39bo$33b2ob3o4bo191b2o$34bobo5bo18b2o164b4o4b2o$34bo7b3o16bo164b6o6b2o$24bo7bobo27b3o160bob2o3bo5b3o5b2o$24b4o4b2o30b3o158bo5bo6b2o6b2o$8bo16b4o38bo157b2o8b2o$7bobo5b2o8bo2bo37b2o157bobo7b2o$5b2o3bo14b4o195b3o$2o3b2o3bo4bobob2o3b4o77b2o58b2o28b2o25b2o2b2o$2o3b2o3bo5b2o3bo2bo79b2ob3o54b2ob3o24b2ob3o22b2o2b2o$7bobo10bo84b5o55b5o25b5o22b2o2b2o$8bo8bo2bo85b3o57b3o27b3o2$54b3o27b3o145bo2bo8bo$25b2o2b2o22b5o25b5o144bo10bobo$25b2o2b2o22b3ob2o24b3ob2o139bo2bo3b2o5bo3b2o3b2o$25b2o2b2o25b2o28b2o137b4o3b2obobo4bo3b2o3b2o$26b3o195b4o14bo3b2o$16b2o7bobo157b2o37bo2bo8b2o5bobo$16b2o8b2o157bo38b4o16bo$5b2o6b2o6bo5bo158b3o30b2o4b4o$5b2o5b3o5bo3b2obo160b3o27bobo7bo$13b2o6b6o164bo16b3o7bo$16b2o4b4o164b2o18bo5bobo$16b2o191bo4b3ob2o$213bo$23b2obob2o183b2o2$23bo5bo2$24b2ob2o163b3o5b2o$26bo164bo3bo4b2o$190bo5bo11b2o3b2o$190bo5bo14bo$204b2o2bo5bo$196bo7bobo2b2ob2o$25b2o168b2o7bo5bobo$25b2o168b2o14bo$193bo2b2o13bo$194bobo$194b2o2$209bo$192b2o3b2o9b3o$192b2o3b2o8bo3bo$206bob3obo$194b3o10b5o$194b3o$195bo6$194b2o$194b2o2$208b2o$208b2o! Last edited by pcallahan on April 13th, 2019, 12:19 pm, edited 1 time in total. pcallahan Posts: 302 Joined: April 26th, 2013, 1:04 pm ### Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries On a related note, I have been wondering for a while if one can fit that spark in there, I know that one can make a p60 HWSS this way, but not sure about p30... (the one p30 HWSS is quite ugly/bulky). Of course one can undo that funky queen bee welding. x = 56, y = 42, rule = LifeHistory2$29.A$13.A14.A.A$13.3A13.2A$16.A$15.2A$26.C.3A$28.3A$27.A3.A$27.2A.2A2$15.2A3.2A$15.2A3.2A$16.5A$16.BABAB2.2A$17.3B2.ABA$17.3A2.B.A$23.B21.2A$33.2A9.A3BA$33.ABA7.A2B.2BA$4.A5.2A13.ABAB4.A.B7.A2B.A2BA$2.A3BA3.3AB9.A3BAB5.B8.A2B.4B$2.4BA5.2ABA7.A3B17.A3BA.2BA$.A.B3.A4.A2BA6.AB2.BA17.2A3.2A.A$.2A2.2B5.2ABA7.A3B26.A$2.B7.3AB9.A3BAB24.2A$10.2A13.ABAB4$34.2B3.2B$34.B5AB$34.AB3ABA$35.A3BA$36.3A$37.A4$36.2A$36.2A!
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### Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries

This mwss-constructor is doubtless known.
x = 9, y = 6, rule = B3/S23$bo4bo$2b2obo$b2o2b3o2$5b2o!

The two cells can be taken of a hwss.
x = 10, y = 11, rule = B3/S23$bo4bo$2b2obo$b2o2b3o2$5b2o$3bo4bo$9bo$3bo5bo$4b6o!

With this pattern you can make every mwss-rake with periods >= 20 and multible of 4 easily.
x = 82, y = 51, rule = B3/S232$62b2o$60b2ob2o13b2o$60b4o13b4o$61b2o14b2ob2o$79b2o$58bo$57b3o$56bob2o3bo11bo$56bo6bo10b4o$50bo6bo14b5obo$51b2o18bo6b2o$50b2o18bo3bob3o$71bo3b3o$72bo$45bo$46b2o30b2o$45b2o22b4o4b4o$61bo2bo3bo3bo4b2ob2o$65bo6bo6b2o$40bo20bo3bo2bo2bo$41b2o19b4o$40b2o2$57b2o$35bo12b4o4b4o$36b2o9bo3bo4b2ob2o$35b2o14bo6b2o$47bo2bo$54bo$30bo21bo$31b2o7bo11bo2b2o$30b2o9bo9bo5bo$40b3o9bobo2b2o$40b3o9bo3b2o$25bo10b5ob3o9b3o$26b2o9b3o3b2o$25b2o11bo$57b2o$56b4o$20bo4bo13b2o15b2ob2o$2b5o14b2obo13b4o16b2o$2bo4bo12b2o2b3o11b2ob2o$2bo37b2o$3bo3bo16b2o$5bo16bo4bo$28bo$22bo5bo$23b6o! Because the rake is flat on one side, you can combine it to a nearby double rake. x = 80, y = 94, rule = B3/S2360b2o$58b2ob2o13b2o$58b4o13b4o$59b2o14b2ob2o$77b2o$56bo$55b3o$54bob2o3bo11bo$54bo6bo10b4o$48bo6bo14b5obo$49b2o18bo6b2o$48b2o18bo3bob3o$69bo3b3o$70bo$43bo$44b2o30b2o$43b2o22b4o4b4o$59bo2bo3bo3bo4b2ob2o$63bo6bo6b2o$38bo20bo3bo2bo2bo$39b2o19b4o$38b2o2$55b2o$33bo12b4o4b4o$34b2o9bo3bo4b2ob2o$33b2o14bo6b2o$45bo2bo$52bo$28bo21bo$29b2o7bo11bo2b2o$28b2o9bo9bo5bo$38b3o9bobo2b2o$38b3o9bo3b2o$23bo10b5ob3o9b3o$24b2o9b3o3b2o$23b2o11bo$55b2o$54b4o$18bo4bo13b2o15b2ob2o$5o14b2obo13b4o16b2o$o4bo12b2o2b3o11b2ob2o$o37b2o$bo3bo16b2o$3bo16bo4bo$26bo$20bo5bo$21b6o2$37b2o$2b5o29b4o$2bo4bo11bo4b2o10b2ob2o14b2o$2bo16b2o3bobo11b2o14b4o$3bo3bo10bobo3bo29b2ob2o$5bo50b2o2$24bo$24b2o11bo4b2o$23bobo10b3o3b2o9b2o$35b2ob2o12bo2bo$34b3ob3o11bo2b2o$29bo4b3ob2o11bo2b2o$29b2o5bobo12b4o$28bobo2$55b2o$34bo11b4o4b4o$34b2o9bo3bo4b2ob2o$33bobo13bo6b2o$45bo2bo2$39bo19bo2bo$39b2o22bo$38bobo18bo3bo12b2o$60b4o3b4o4b4o$66bo3bo4b2ob2o$44bo25bo6b2o$44b2o20bo2bo$43bobo27bo$71bo$59bo11bo2b2o$49bo10bo9bo5bo$49b2o8b3o9bobo2b2o$48bobo8b3o9bo3b2o$55b5ob3o9b3o$56b3o3b2o$57bo$76b2o$75b4o$75b2ob2o$60b2o15b2o$58b2ob2o$58b4o$59b2o! christoph r. Posts: 145 Joined: March 24th, 2016, 2:55 pm Location: Germany ### Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries Is it the time to synthesis every n-cell unstable patterns? I know it is pointless to do that, but isn't all-still-life synthesis also useless(except a few which could be used in conduit construction)? I also know there has to be some way to prevent those far-away glider colliding simple object. This post was brought to you by the Element of Magic. Plz correct my grammar mistakes. I'm still studying English. Working on: Nothing. Favorite gun ever: #C Favorite Gun. Found by me.x = 4, y = 6, rule = B2e3i4at/S1c23cijn4ao2bo$4o3$4o$o2bo!
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### Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries

Hunting wrote:Is it the time to synthesis every n-cell unstable patterns?

I know it is pointless to do that, but isn't all-still-life synthesis also useless(except a few which could be used in conduit construction)?

I also know there has to be some way to prevent those far-away glider colliding simple object.

Well, you've got Gardens of Eden, which by definition are unsynthesisable, and are also unstable…
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Freywa

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### Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries

Freywa wrote:
Hunting wrote:Is it the time to synthesis every n-cell unstable patterns?

I know it is pointless to do that, but isn't all-still-life synthesis also useless(except a few which could be used in conduit construction)?

I also know there has to be some way to prevent those far-away glider colliding simple object.

Well, you've got Gardens of Eden, which by definition are unsynthesisable, and are also unstable…

Oh, excluding Gardens of Eden. And sorry, I accidentally posted this in usure discoveries thread instead of basic question thread.
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Plz correct my grammar mistakes. I'm still studying English.

Working on:

Nothing.

Favorite gun ever:
x = 81, y = 96, rule = LifeHistory58.2A$58.2A3$59.2A17.2A$59.2A17.2A3$79.2A$79.2A2$57.A$56.A$56.3A4$27.A$27.A.A$27.2A21$3.2A$3.2A2.2A$7.2A18$7.2A$7.2A2.2A$11.2A11$2A$2A2.2A$4.2A18$4.2A$4.2A2.2A$8.2A! Gamedziner Posts: 785 Joined: May 30th, 2016, 8:47 pm Location: Milky Way Galaxy: Planet Earth ### Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries Found how to make land of lakes: x = 7, y = 7, rule = B3/S23bo$3o$2bo2$4b2o$5b2o$5bo!

Shall I put it into the "familiar fours" section?

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### Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries

testitemqlstudop wrote:Found how to make land of lakes:

x = 7, y = 7, rule = B3/S23bo$3o$2bo2$4b2o$5b2o$5bo! Shall I put it into the "familiar fours" section? Probably not. It's not four ponds, it's two bi-ponds. Princess of Science, Parcly Taxel Freywa Posts: 580 Joined: June 23rd, 2011, 3:20 am Location: Singapore ### Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries testitemqlstudop wrote:Found how to make land of lakes: ... Shall I put it into the "familiar fours" section? Freywa wrote:Probably not. It's not four ponds, it's two bi-ponds. I don't see that as a disqualifying factor, since the fleet and bakery are respective pairs of bi-ships and bi-loaves. A better reason to leave this out is that it's not really familiar; traffic lights, honeyfarms, blockades, fleets, and bakeries come up all the time, all arise multiple times from collisions of 2-3 gliders, and they have been commonly observed for almost half a century. Land of lakes is not nearly as common; besides, it's already mentioned on the Wiki page. The two-glider collision that makes 4 skewed blocks would likely occur much more frequently. EDIT The two R-pentominos rapidly form two fleet predecessors; colliding pairs of R-pentominos or pair of fleets both result in 6-glider syntheses, which is slightly cheaper than making the bi-ponds individually (as the 3-glider synthesis could only be used for one of them). EDIT 2: Two other not-quite-so-familiar fours are the small fleet and small honeyfarm, also from six gliders: x = 76, y = 21, rule = B3/S239bo$10boo35bobo$9boo37boo$48bo$$70bo13bo15boo22bo15bobo13bobo13bobo9bo11bobo13bobo13boo15boo10boo9boo15boobo8bo7bo6boo4boo7boo8bo14boo5booboo7boo6boo6bobo3bobo15boo13bobbo3bobbobo8bobo5bobo6boo4boo15bobo5boo6boo5boo29boo26boo11bo29bobo27bo9bobo30boo37bobo70bo$$52bo$10boo39boo$9boo40bobo$11bo! EDIT 3: The Familiar Fours wiki page mentions "4 eaters". I wonder if it means this? x = 154, y = 33, rule = B3/S2383bo$83bobo$83boo$$45bo39bo44bobo37bobo16bo27bobo37bobo14boo29bo39bo15boo40boo7boo29boo7boo17bo21bobbo5bobbo27bobbo5bobbobbo16boo22boo7boo29boo7boobbo27bobo11bobo16bobo74b3o11booboo10boo3booboo3boo10booboo45bo39bo22bobo11bo5bobo5bo9bobobobo44bobo37bobo18bo7bo11bo7bo12bo5bo44bobo37bobo18boo5boo11boo5boo11boo5boo33bo11bo27bo11bo32bobo37bobo30boo5boo11boo5boo11boo5boo32bobo37bobo30bo7bo11bo7bo12bo5bo33bo39bo34bobo11bo5bobo5bo9boboboboobo60b3o41booboo10boo3booboo3boo10boobooboo25boo7boo26bobboo7boo42bobo11bobobo25bobbo5bobbo24bobbobbo5bobbo28boo7boo29boo7boobboo3boo28bo39bobbo29bobo37bobo32bobo37bobo33bo39bo$$74boo$73bobo$75bo! mniemiec Posts: 1043 Joined: June 1st, 2013, 12:00 am ### Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries mniemiec wrote:The two-glider collision that makes 4 skewed blocks would likely occur much more frequently. Four skewed blocks also already has a link in the Familiar Fours wiki article, as an optional runner-up. mniemiec wrote:EDIT 3: The Familiar Fours wiki page mentions "4 eaters". I wonder if it means this? x = 154, y = 33, rule = B3/S23... No, the last time that Familiar Fours entry came up, I tracked the "4 eaters" mention back to Dean Hickerson's experiments with Eric Angelini's Life integer patterns: x = 15, y = 5, rule = B3/S23obob3ob3ob3o$obo3bobobobobo$obob3obobobobo$obo3bobobobobo$obob3ob3ob3o!#C [[ AUTOFIT ]] The LifeWiki article describes those four eaters as belonging to the "less familiar fours". At this point, it really is several decades too late to change the membership list for the original Familiar Fours. If a four-of-the-same-object constellation wasn't well known by 1980 or so, it just plain isn't familiar enough to be one of the Familiar Fours. dvgrn Moderator Posts: 5818 Joined: May 17th, 2009, 11:00 pm Location: Madison, WI ### Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries i merge three beehives together in this configuration. it took 2498 generations to stabilize. i try to search it but i couldnt find anything about it. x = 7, y = 5, rule = B3/S23b2ob2o$o2bo2bo$b2ob2o$o2bo$b2o! Last edited by mow on July 11th, 2019, 2:04 pm, edited 1 time in total. mow Posts: 1 Joined: May 14th, 2018, 5:41 pm ### Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries mow wrote:i merge three beehives together in this configuration. it took 2498 generations to stabilize. i try to search it but i couldnt find anything about it. x = 7, y = 5, rule = B3/S23b2ob2o$o2bo2bo$b2ob2o$o2bo$b2o! Welcome to the forums (even though your account is over a year old)! That pattern has probably been discovered before, but small patterns that last that long are generally considered to be uninteresting. Also, please use [c‏‏ode][/code] tags instead of [vie‏wer][/viewer] tags; they take up less space. "Build a man a fire and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life." -Terry Pratchett toroidalet Posts: 1002 Joined: August 7th, 2016, 1:48 pm Location: my computer ### Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries Interaction of p16 with g-to-mwss handles the hive cleanup. x = 149, y = 91, rule = LifeHistory95.6B$96.6B$36.2A57.6B$36.A2B.2A54.6B$35.B.2B2.A53.6B$35.BA.3A55.6B$35.2ABA2.3A51.6B$29.2A4.2A2.A.A2.A51.6B$28.A2.A3.B4A.2B2A2.A6.2A39.6B$27.A2.A.AB6.BAB2.3A5.A.3A11.2A25.6B$12.2A10.A2.3A.BAB3.B2A.2B2A8.A4.A9.A.A24.6B$12.A11.3A3.3BA3.2A.2A3.A3.A2.2A3.A.B.A.2AB2.A27.6B$.2A11.A12.BA.ABA4.2A.B.3A3.A.A5.A.2A7B2A26.6B$.A.A9.2A2.A2.A3.3AB.B8.2A2BA5.A.7A3.4BABA29.6B$3.A2.2AB.B.A2.6A3.A2.BA7.AB.B.B7.A3.B3.AB3AB.BA.2A26.6B$3.4A2B6A10.2AB.A6.2B.BA10.AB.B2A.BAB.4ABA.A26.6B$5.BABA3B3.8A3.3B.2B4.2A.BAB8.2A.BA.2AB3.A7.A24.6B$3.2A.2A.3B3A3.B3.A4.ABA.AB2.BA.2BA7.2BA.3BABA5.7A26.6B$2.A.2A2B2A.A2B.B2A.BA7.AB3A2.BABA9.2B3AB2AB2A5.A2.A27.6B$.A7.B3.3B.AB.2A7.B.2B3.AB4.3B.BA2B2AB.3A3B2.A33.6B$2.7A5.AB4A.2BA7.2B6.7BA3BAB.BA3.BA2.2A31.6B$4.A2.A5.BA3B3A3B8.BA3.BA3BA2B3AB.A.A2.4A37.6B$9.A2.3A2BA.5BAB.3B.BAB2.A5BA2B3AB2A2B2A40.6B$8.2A2.AB3.AB.BAB2A3BA3BA2BA.5BA2B3AB.A.A2.4A37.6B$13.4A2.A.A.2A2BABA5BABA8BA3BAB.BA3.BA2.2A31.6B$17.4A2B2A5BA3B2ABAB2A.3B.BA2B2AB.3A3B2.A33.6B$13.4A2.A.A.2A2BABA9B9.2B3AB2AB2A5.A2.A27.6B$8.2A2.AB3.AB.BAB2A3BA5B2.4B8.2BA.3BABA5.7A26.6B$9.A2.3A2BA.5BAB.3B.3B3.BABA9.2A.BA.2AB3.A7.A24.6B$4.A2.A5.BA3B3A3B7.B6.B2AB9.AB.B2A.BAB.4ABA.A26.6B$2.7A5.AB4A.2BA7.B7.A3B6.A3.B3.AB3AB.BA.2A26.6B$.A7.B3.3B.AB.2A8.3A7.4B4.A.7A3.4BABA29.6B$2.A.2A2B2A.A2B.B2A.BA7.A.B2A8.4B3.A.A5.A.2A7B2A26.2B3AB$3.2A.2A.3B3A3.B3.A5.3AB10.BABA3.A2.2A3.A.B.A.2AB2.A27.BA2BAB$5.BABA3B3.8A3.2A3.2A10.B2AB6.A4.A9.A.A24.2BA3B$3.4A2B6A10.A2.5A11.A3B5.A.3A11.2A25.BA3BA$3.A2.2AB.B.A2.6A4.2A.A.A4.B5.B.6B5.2A5.2A32.2BA3B$.A.A9.2A2.A2.A7.A5.3B3.10B10.BA2BA31.2BABAB$.2A11.A13.2A2.4BA3.A7BABA10.4B30.6B$12.A18.4BA.A.A.A4B2.B2AB9.A2BA31.6B$12.2A17.5B2A.2A5B3.A3B7.A2BA31.6B$31.7B.7B4.4B6.ABAB32.6B$31.2B3A2B.2B3A2B5.4B4.2BAB32.6B$31.BA4BA.A4BAB6.BABA3.4B33.6B$31.A5BA.A5BA7.B2A2B.2B2AB31.6B$31.BA4BA.A4BAB8.A4B2.2A33.6B$31.B2A2B.A.A.2B2AB9.4B10.A16.4B3.8B$32.5B3.5B11.4B7.3A17.3B4.8B$34.3A3.3A14.4B5.A21.2B5.6B$35.B5.B16.4B4.2A19.3B6.6B$51.2A6.9B17.6B4.7B$52.A7.6B13.4B2.7B3.8B$52.A.2A5.6B3.B2.2B2.11B3A13B$53.A2.A4.27B3A14B$54.2AB3.28B2A5B2A9B$55.5B2A21B2A3B2A4BA2B2A8B$56.6BA2B2A16B2A3B2AB5A2BA8B$57.BA5BA26B3A4BA9B2.2A3.2A5.2B$57.A2BA2B2A3BA5B.B5.6BA2BA2B5A12B2AB2.ABA2.6B$58.5BA5BA3B10.B2.2B3A3B2A16B4.BA3BA4B$58.A10BA3B13.19B.10B.2B2A4B2A$59.A7B2A3B14.17B4.9BA3B2A3B2A$61.5B2A6B12.18B4.BABA2B.BABA5B.B$60.BA6B4.2A.A11.5B.11B4.2B2A5B3A4B$60.2AB2AB6.2AB3A9.4B2.12B4.BA2BAB2.4B.2B$60.2AB2A8.B4.A15.4B.2BA3B4.3B2A2B2.B.4B.2A$60.B.A9.2A.3A21.BABA2B3.2A3BAB5.B2A.2BA$61.2AB9.A.A24.2A2B3.A2B.2AB5.BA3B2A$60.B2AB9.A.A26.B4.2A.4B.B2.2B2A3B$61.2A11.A35.2B.4B2.BA2BAB$110.4B3A5B2A2B$108.B.5BABAB.2BABAB$107.2A3B2A3BA9B$107.2A4B2A2B.9B$108.4BA3BAB4.4B$108.6B2.ABA2.B2A2B$110.2B5.2A3.2A! this makes p400+16X gun x = 110, y = 80, rule = LifeHistory5B72.6B19.6B$4B74.6B17.6B$5B72.6B19.6B$4B74.6B17.6B$5B72.6B19.6B$4B74.6B17.6B$5B22.2A3.2A43.2B3AB19.6B$4B19.4B2A2.A.3A42.BA2BAB17.6B$5B17.6B3.A4.A40.2BA3B19.6B$4B23.4A.2A2.A41.BA3BA$5B22.A2.A.A.A.2A39.2BA3B$4B25.BABABA.A41.2BABAB$5B25.B2ABA.A40.6B$4B27.2B.BA42.6B$5B25.3B3.2B39.6B$4B17.2A6.4B2.3B40.6B$5B17.A6.B2A2BD3B39.6B$4B18.A.AB3.B2ABDBDB41.6B$5B18.2AB.5BD3BD40.6B$25.9BD2BD40.6B$5B20.8BDBD2BDB37.6B$6B18.8BD3B2DBDB37.6B$5B2.B15.12B2.4B10.A16.4B3.8B$6B16.4B.7B4.D3B7.3A17.3B4.8B$5B2.B13.4B.9B4.4B5.A21.2B5.6B$6B.B12.4B.4B4.2A5.4B4.2A19.3B6.6B$10B9.4B.4B5.A7.9B17.6B4.7B$3.BAB12.4B.4B7.3A5.6B13.4B2.7B3.8B$.2BABA11.4B.4B11.A5.6B3.B2.2B2.27B$.BA3BA10.3B.4B9.2AB.A4.44B$2.BA2B.A9.2B.4B9.A2.2AB3.46B$4.A.2BAB6.2B.4B10.2A2.14B2A13B2A21B$5.A3BAB4.7B16.13B2A13B2A21B$6.ABA3B.B.2BD3B18.51B2.2A3.2A5.2B$6.BAB3.4BD3B14.A4.17B.B5.29B2AB2.2AB2.6B$3.6B.BA3BD2BD14.A.A4.15B10.B2.26B4.4BA5B$4.6BABABD2BD15.A.A4.15B13.19B.10B.3B2A3B2A$3.8B2ABD2BD12.2A.A.2A4.13B14.17B4.4BA10BA2B2A$4.3B2AB.4BD2BD10.A.A.A3.A2B3.13B12.18B4.2BAB2A.B2A3BA2B.B$3.3BABAB3.3BD3B8.A.A.B.5ABA.8B4.2A.A11.5B.11B4.B2A6BA3BA2B$4.2BA3B2.2A2B.D3B6.A.3A2B2.B.A2BA6B6.2AB3A9.4B2.12B4.6B2.4B.2B$3.2B2A2B3.2A.2B.D3B6.AB.A.2A2B2A2B3.4B7.B4.A15.4B.2BA3B4.7B2.B.4B.2A$15.3B.4B8.A.A.5B5.4B5.2A.3A21.BABA2B3.4B2AB5.BAB.B2A$6B9.4B.4B7.BA.A3BABA5.4B5.A.A24.2A2B3.2AB.BAB5.B2A4B$5B11.4B.4B4.AB.A.A.ABA2.A5.4B4.A.A26.B4.2A.4B.B2.7B$6B11.4B.4B3.2A.A2.A3.2A.A5.4B4.A35.2B.4B2.6B$5B13.4B.4B5.A3.3A3.A6.4B5.B2.B4.2A24.2BA3BA6B2AB$6B13.4B.4B4.2A4.A3.2A6.4B3.3B.B4.A23.B.2BA3B2AB.2ABA2B$5B15.4B.4B22.3BD.6B.BA.A22.2A2BA10BA4B$6B15.4B.4B22.3BD6B.B2A23.2A3B2A3B.9B$5B17.4B.4B22.3BD7B26.5BA4B4.4B$4B19.4B.4B22.D2BD6B26.6B2.B2A2.B2A2B$5B19.4B.2B2A22.D2BDB2A2B28.2B5.2A3.2A$4B21.4B.BABA22.D2BC2BA$5B21.4B.A3B20.D2BDABAB$4B23.4B.D2BD2B16.D2BD2BAB$5B23.5BD2BD3B13.D2BD2.3B$4B25.5BD2BD2B12.3BD3.3B$5B25.5BD2BDB11.D2BD6.3B$4B27.5BD2BD10.D2BDB6.3B2A2.B$5B32.D2BD8.D2BD4B3.4A4B2A$38.D2BD6.D2BD.4B3.3AB2A2B2A$39.D2BD4.D2BD2.B7.B2.BA3B$40.D2BD2.D2BD3.B12.3B$41.D2B2D2BD4.2B$42.D4BD$42.BD2BD2B$42.2B2D3B$41.7B2A$42.2B2AB.2A$41.B.ABAB4.B$40.2B.BAB$39.3B2.4B$39.3A2B2.2A7.D$38.B3A2B2.A$4B33.B.3AB4.3A$5B30.B3A.B8.A$4B30.2B3AB$5B29.2B3A$36.3B!

and p80 too ^^
x = 114, y = 79, rule = LifeHistory80.6B19.6B$81.6B17.6B$80.6B19.6B$81.6B17.6B$30.2A3.2A43.6B19.6B$26.4B2A2.A.3A42.6B17.6B$25.6B3.A4.A40.6B19.6B$30.4A.2A2.A41.6B$30.A2.A.A.A.2A39.6B$32.BABABA.A41.6B$33.B2ABA.A40.6B$34.2B.BA42.6B$33.3B3.2B39.6B$24.2A6.4B2.3B40.6B$25.A6.B2A2BD3B39.6B$25.A.AB3.4BDBDB41.2BA3B$26.2AB.5BD3BD40.2B3AB$28.5B2A2BD2BD40.2ABA2B$28.5B2ABCBD2BDB37.B3A2B$27.7BAC3B2DBDB37.3A3B$26.9BA2B2.4B10.A16.4B3.4B2A2B$25.4B.7B4.D3B7.3A17.3B4.8B$24.4B.9B4.4B5.A21.2B5.6B$23.4B.4B4.2A5.4B4.2A19.3B6.6B$3.10B9.4B.4B5.A7.9B17.6B4.7B$6.BAB12.4B.4B7.3A5.6B13.4B2.7B3.8B$4.2B3A11.4B.4B11.A5.3BA2B3.B2.2B2.3B3A21B$4.B3ABA10.3B.4B9.2AB.A4.2B3A14BAB4A19B$5.BA2B.A9.2B.4B9.A2.2AB3.2B2AB2A13BA6BA15BA2B$7.A.2BAB6.2B.4B10.2A2.6B2A18B8A13BABA2B$8.AB3AB4.7B16.4B3A19BA3BAB2A12BABA2B$9.3A3B.B.2BD3B18.4B2A23BABA14BA4B2.2A3.2A5.2B$9.BAB3.4BD3B14.A4.5B2AB2A7B.B5.5B2A22B2AB2.2AB2.A5B$6.6B.BA3BD2BD14.A.A4.5B3A7B10.B2.18B3A5B4.3BABA4B$7.6BABABD2BD15.A.A4.6BA8B13.18BA.A9B.BA2BA3B2A$6.8B2ABD2BD12.2A.A.2A4.13B14.17B4.5B5ABA6B2A$7.3B2AB.4BDBAC10.A.A.A3.BAB3.13B12.18B4.B2A3B.AB3A2BAB.B$6.3BABAB3.3BCA2B8.A.B.A.3AB2AB.8B4.2A.A11.5B.11B4.A4BABABA2BABAB$7.2BA3B2.2A2B.DA2B6.A.2B3A2.B.10B6.2AB3A9.4B2.12B4.A2BA2B2.4B.AB$6.2B2A2B3.2A.2B.D3B6.2A.A.2A2B2A2B3.4B7.B4.A15.4B.2BA3B4.B3A3B2.B.3AB.2A$18.3B.4B8.A.B.2B3A5.4B5.2A.3A21.BABA2B3.4B2AB5.2BA.B2A$18.4B.4B7.2A.2ABABAB5.4B5.A.A24.2A2B3.2AB.A2B5.B2A4B$19.4B.4B4.2A.A.A.B2A2.A5.4B4.A.A26.B4.2A.B3A.B2.3B3AB$20.4B.4B3.2A.A2.A3.2A.A5.4B4.A35.BA.4B2.2BA2BA$21.4B.4B5.A3.3A3.A6.4B5.B2.B4.2A24.BABA2BABABA4BA$22.4B.4B4.2A4.A3.2A6.4B3.3B.B4.A23.B.BA2B3ABA.3B2AB$23.4B.4B22.3BD.6B.BA.A22.2A6BAB5A5B$24.4B.4B22.3BD6B.B2A23.2A3BA2BAB.9B$25.4B.4B22.3BD2BA4B26.4BABA3B4.4B$26.4B.4B22.D2BDABA3B26.5BA2.B2A2.B2A2B$27.4B.2B2D22.D2BD5B28.2B5.2A3.2A$28.4B.BDBD22.C2BCA2B$29.4B.D3B20.D2AC4B$30.4B.D2BD2B16.D2BD4B$31.5BD2BD3B13.D2BD2.3B$32.5BD2BD2B12.3BD3.3B$33.5BDBACB11.D2BD6.3B$34.5BCABD10.D2BDB6.4AB2.B$40.DABD8.D2BD4B3.A7B2A$41.D2BD6.D2BD.4B3.A3B2A2B2A$42.D2BD4.D2BD2.B7.A2.2A3B$43.D2BD2.D2BD3.B12.3B$44.D2B2D2BD4.2B$45.D4BD$45.BD2BD2B$45.2B2D3B$44.7B2A$45.2B2AB.2A$44.B.ABAB4.B$43.2B.BAB$42.BAB2.4B$42.ABA2B2.2A7.D$41.A3BAB2.A$40.A.2BAB4.3A$38.BA2B.A8.A$37.BA3BA$37.2BABA$39.BAB$39.2B!
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### Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries

For some reason I haven't been able to track down a single-step tub to hook component anywhere — so here's a 3G one:
x = 9, y = 11, rule = B3/S23o$3o4bo$3bo2bo$2bobob3o$3bo2$7b2o$6b2o$b2o5bo$obo$2bo! It's possible I just didn't look hard enough. x₁=ηx V ⃰_η=c²√(Λη) K=(Λu²)/2 Pₐ=1−1/(∫^∞_t₀(p(t)ˡ⁽ᵗ⁾)dt) $$x_1=\eta x$$ $$V^*_\eta=c^2\sqrt{\Lambda\eta}$$ $$K=\frac{\Lambda u^2}2$$ $$P_a=1-\frac1{\int^\infty_{t_0}p(t)^{l(t)}dt}$$ http://conwaylife.com/wiki/A_for_all Aidan F. Pierce A for awesome Posts: 1876 Joined: September 13th, 2014, 5:36 pm Location: 0x-1 ### Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries A for awesome wrote:For some reason I haven't been able to track down a single-step tub to hook component anywhere — so here's a 3G one: ... It's possible I just didn't look hard enough. Good! I didn't have any in my own archives (other than 2 gliders tub-to-head + 3 gliders head-to-hook) mniemiec Posts: 1043 Joined: June 1st, 2013, 12:00 am ### Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries This Rich's p16 on tumbler probably isn't the smallest p112, otherwise it would be noted. x = 19, y = 15, rule = B3/S236b2o$5b4o$4b2ob3o$3b3o3bo7bo$bobo5b3o5b2o$ob2ob3obo3bo4bo$b2o3b2o5bob3o2$b2o3b2o5bob3o$ob2ob3obo3bo4bo$bobo5b3o5b2o$3b3o3bo7bo$4b2ob3o$5b4o$6b2o!
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### Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries

GUYTU6J wrote:This Rich's p16 on tumbler probably isn't the smallest p112, otherwise it would be noted.
x = 19, y = 15, rule = B3/S236b2o$5b4o$4b2ob3o$3b3o3bo7bo$bobo5b3o5b2o$ob2ob3obo3bo4bo$b2o3b2o5bob3o2$b2o3b2o5bob3o$ob2ob3obo3bo4bo$bobo5b3o5b2o$3b3o3bo7bo$4b2ob3o$5b4o$6b2o! I think it actually is the smallest known; I don't see any other way of making a smaller one. (Achim's p16 doesn't work in this case AFAIK) The oscillator page on the wiki was for the most part written in 2009, so it's possible that just no one has gotten around to listing some of the newer LCD oscillators since then. Ian07 Posts: 306 Joined: September 22nd, 2018, 8:48 am ### Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries GUYTU6J wrote:This Rich's p16 on tumbler probably isn't the smallest p112, otherwise it would be noted. ... Nice! Here is a 24-glider synthesis of 50p112. Nothing new here; traditional 14-glider Rich's P16 plus 10-glider edge-shot tumbler. Making the tumbler first might be cheaper, but doesn't work, unless someone finds a way to edge-shoot Rich's P16 at a reasonable cost. x = 169, y = 123, rule = B3/S2356boo48boo48boo3boo$51boo3boo43boo3boo43boo3boo3boo3boo$50bobbo46bobbo46bobbo11bobbo$51boo48boo48boo13boo$14bo99bo$15bo97bo$5b3o5b3o97b3o5b3o$7bo113bo$6bo7bo99bo7bo$14boo97boo$13bobo97bobo20$6boo3boo43boo3boo43boo3boo$boo3boo3boo3boo33boo3boo3boo3boo33boo3boo3boo3boo$obbo11bobbo31bobbo11bobbo19bo11bobbo11bobbo11bo$boo13boo33boo13boo21bo11boo13boo11bo27bo3bo$87b3o39b3o23booboboboo$154bo3bobo3bo$153bo3booboo3bo$103boo9boo37bobo7bobo$7booboo45booboo40bobobbooboobbobo37bo9bo$6bobobobo44booboo42bobbooboobbo$8bobo146booboo$91b3o31b3o28bobobobo$93bo31bo31bo3bo$92bo33bo19$138bo$137bo$137b3o15$98bo$96bobo$97boo$110bo$92bo18bo14bo$93boo14b3o12boo$92boo23bo7boo$5bo111bobo$3bobo49boo48boo10boo$4boo49boo48boo$$4boo49boo48boo3bobo49boo48boo5bo995boo25boo96boo23boo95bo27bo$$157booboo$157bo3bo$155bobbobobbo$155bobo3bobo$156bo5bo4$7bo3bo45bo3bo45bo3bo45bo3bo$5booboboboo41booboboboo41booboboboo41booboboboo$4bo3bobo3bo39bo3bobo3bo39bo3bobo3bo39bo3bobo3bo$3bo3booboo3bo37bo3booboo3bo37bo3booboo3bo37bo3booboo3bo$3bobo7bobo37bobo7bobo37bobo7bobo37bobo7bobo$4bo9bo39bo9bo39bo9bo39bo9bo$$7booboo45booboo45booboo45booboo6bobobobo43bobobobo43bobobobo43bobobobo7bo3bo45bo3bo45bo3bo45bo3bo! mniemiec Posts: 1043 Joined: June 1st, 2013, 12:00 am ### Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries 4G pseudo-loop on block: x = 15, y = 14, rule = B3/S236bo5bo5b3o412bo12bobo12b2o9b2o8b2ob2o7boobo2bo! Found while trying to modify something that came out of collisrc. I thought I'd seen it before, but it wasn't in Shinjuku (I just now added it), so I guess not. x₁=ηx V ⃰_η=c²√(Λη) K=(Λu²)/2 Pₐ=1−1/(∫^∞_t₀(p(t)ˡ⁽ᵗ⁾)dt)$$x_1=\eta xV^*_\eta=c^2\sqrt{\Lambda\eta}K=\frac{\Lambda u^2}2P_a=1-\frac1{\int^\infty_{t_0}p(t)^{l(t)}dt}

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