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Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries

Postby mniemiec » December 5th, 2017, 4:08 am

Kazyan wrote:A T-nose with a population and bounding box as small as the original: ...

Extrementhusiast wrote:Final step for synthesis: ...

This makes the starting constellation, for a total of 36. Unfortunately, the snake takes 7; none of the ways I know of making from 4 or 5 work.
x = 156, y = 36, rule = B3/S23
13bo$11bobo17bo$bo10boo15bobo$bbo27boo$3o86bo$30bo59boobo41bo$30boo57b
oobbobo38bo$6bobo20bobo61boo39b3o$7boo$7bo$$86b3o$88bo20bo19bo$87bo20b
obo10bobo4bobo$109bobo10boo5bobo16boobo$110boo10bo7boo16boboo$$73boo
18boo18boo5bo12boo18boo$70boobbo15boobbo15boobbo3bobo9boobbo15boobbo$
69bobobo15bobobo15bobobo5boo8bobobo15bobobo$54boo13bobobobo13bobobobo
13bobobobo13bobobobo13bobobobo$54bobo13bo3boo14bo3boo14bo3boo5bo8bo3b
oo14bo3boo$54bo66boo$120bobo9$6bo$6boo31b3o$5bobo31bo$40bo!
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Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries

Postby Extrementhusiast » December 5th, 2017, 2:17 pm

mniemiec wrote:
Kazyan wrote:A T-nose with a population and bounding box as small as the original: ...

Extrementhusiast wrote:Final step for synthesis: ...

This makes the starting constellation, for a total of 36. Unfortunately, the snake takes 7; none of the ways I know of making from 4 or 5 work.
RLE


The six-glider method I used for the quasi still lifes also works here:
x = 40, y = 27, rule = B3/S23
6bo$4bobo$5b2o2$13bo$11b2o$12b2o5$o18bobo$b2o16b2o$2o8bo9bo$11bo$9b3o$
13bo$13bobo$13b2o$32b2obo$32bob2o2$14b2o21b2o$11b2o2bo18b2o2bo$10bobob
o18bobobo$10bobobobo16bobobobo$11bo3b2o17bo3b2o!
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Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries

Postby dbell » December 5th, 2017, 9:33 pm

This is a followup on my recent posting about creating sawtooths or other interesting reactions using the output of rakes firing at each other symmetrically.

I investigated pairs of receeding c/3 rakes which fire spaceships at each other. I found no sawtooths this way, nor many interesting reactions.

Here is one interesting reaction, though. It doesn't look very random at first glance. Except for its startup, its output appears to consist entirely of sparse streams of 20 gliders and dense streams of 21 gliders.
But the pattern of these varies enough that my Golly starts to really slow down when running it past a million generations.

#C Pseudo-random glider streams produced by two symmetrically placed
#C period 27 c/3 backward LWSS rakes firing at each other.
#C David I. Bell, 1 December 2017
x = 219, y = 187
158bo$159boo$159boo23bo$158bo26boo$160bo24boo$159b3o22bo$161bo24bo$
161boo19bo3bo$161bo19bo5bo$157bobbo22b5o$156bo9bo14bo5bo$158boo6boo14b
4o$142bo14bobo7boboo7boobo3bo$141bobo15boo6bo3boo4b3obb3o$143boo12bobo
7bo4bo4b3obo$143bo14bo8bobbo3bobbo3b3o$142bobo6bo15bo4bo4boobb3o$144bo
5bobo10b3obboobbobobbo$145bo4bobo8b5o6bobboobo$143bobo5bo8b3oboo9bobo$
143bobo15b5o6bobboobo$141b4o6bo11b3obboobbobobbo$140bobo7b4o13bo4bo4b
oobb3o$140bobo7bo3bo12bobbo3bobbo3b3o$143bo7bobbo12bo4bo4b3obo$142boo
7b3o13bo3boo4b3obb3o$141bobo23boboo7boobo3bo$142bo23boo14b4o$166bo14bo
5bo$183b5o$181bo5bo$182bo3bo$186bo$184bo$153boo30boo$143bobo6boo31boo
bbobo$144boo8bo29bo6bo$144bo47b4o19bo$189bobb4o18bobo$192bo21bobo$184b
ooboo5b3o19bo$142bo25b3o16bo4booboo18bo$143bo24bo14bo6bobboo21boo$141b
3o25bo13bo8boo18b3obbo$184b3o25bobooboo$187bobbobo3boo19bo$180boo6bo3b
o3b3o11b7o$180bobbo4bobobo4bobboo5bob3o3bo$139bo39bo3bo3bo3bo4boobb3o
8b4o$140boo38bobboo11b3o3boobbobbobobbo$139boo41bo13b3obbobobbobbo3bo$
182bo14bobobo4b3obbobo$198bobboobbo6bo$194boo7b3obbo$180bo7b3obbobbo7b
o3bo$138bo42boo11boo7b3obbo$136bobo11bo28bobo16bobboobbo6bo$137boo10bo
bo28bo16bobobo4b3obbobo$55bo95boo23bo11bo7b3obbobobbobbo3bo$54bobo94bo
23bobo11boo5b3o3boobbobbobobbo$29bo24bobo93bobo24boo10boo5boobb3o8b4o$
28bobo23bo97bo24bo19bobboo5bob3o3bo$28bobo22boo79bobo16bo22bobo8b3o6b
3o11b7o$28bo24bobo79boo14bobo20b5o8b3o6boo19bo$29bo105bo15bobo19bobo
36bobooboo$27boo23b3o94b4o20bobooboo10b3o19b3obbo$27bobb3o19b3o93bobo
6bobo18boo10b3o23boo$26booboobo115bobo8bo10bobb5o37bo$27bo19boo6b3o75b
o17bo8boobo6bo6bo11bobo24bo$28b7o11b3o6b3o76bo15boo8boobbo4boo3b3o13b
oo22bobo$29bo3b3obo5boobbo84b3o14bobo4bo3boobbo7bobbo14bo23bobo$30b4o
8b3obboo5boo94bo9b3oboboobbo3boo12bobo24bo$30bobbobobbobboo3b3o5boo86b
o17bobo3b4o4bo13bobo$31bo3bobbobbobobb3o7bo84bobo15bob4obobbo3bo15bo$
31bobobb3o4bobobo16bo76bobo13bo5boobo$32bo6bobboobbo16bobo64bo11bo7b3o
3b3o9b3o$36bobb3o7boo11boo67boo8boo14bo5boobo$36bo3bo7bobbobb3o7bo65b
oo9b3o15bob4obobbo3bo$36bobb3o7boo89booboo15bobo3b4o4bo$32bo6bobboobbo
93boobobo14b3oboboobbo3boo$31bobobb3o4bobobo14bo78bo3bo10bo3boobbo7bo
bbo$31bo3bobbobbobobb3o13bo78bobbo7bo7boobbo4boo3b3o$30bobbobobbobboo
3b3o11boobbo64bo12b3o3b3obbo6boobo6bo6bo$30b4o8b3obboo4bo3bo3bo3bo61bo
bo18boo3boo4bo10bobb5o$29bo3b3obo5boobbo4bobobo4bobbo63boo16b3o3bo4bob
o18boo$28b7o11b3o3bo3bo6boo80b3o4b3o18bobooboo$27bo19boo3bobobbo50bobb
o19bo12bobo6b3o17bobo$26booboobo25b3o46bo23bobo18bo3bo17b5o$27bobb3o
18boo8bo13bo31bo3bo19boo12bob3o3bo3bo18bobo$27boo21boobbo6bo14bo30b4o
16boo18b3o3bobobo19bo$29bo18booboo4bo16b3o49boo21bo3bo3bo5bobo11boo$
28bo19b3o5booboo67bo23bo3bo8bo9bobo$28bobo21bo14bo84bo3bo9b4o6bo12bo$
28bobo18b4obbo7booboo83booboo7bobb4o18bobo$29bo12bo6b4o9bo3bo84bo14bo
21bobo$41bobo9bo8bo3bo23bo67booboo5b3o19bo$40boo11bobo5bo3bo3bo21boo
49b3o16bo4booboo18bo$41bo19bobobo3b3o18boo16b4o30bo14bo6bobboo21boo$
40bobo18bo3bo3b3obo12boo19bo3bo31bo13bo8boo18b3obbo$40b5o17bo3bo18bobo
23bo46b3o25bobooboo$43bobo17b3o6bobo12bo19bobbo50bobbobo3boo19bo$39boo
boobo18b3o4b3o80boo6bo3bo3b3o11b7o$39boo18bobo4bo3b3o16boo63bobbo4bobo
bo4bobboo5bob3o3bo$41b5obbo10bo4boo3boo18bobo61bo3bo3bo3bo4boobb3o8b4o
$41bo6bo6boboo6bobb3o3b3o12bo64bobboo11b3o3boobbobbobobbo$42b3o3boo4bo
bboo7bo7bobbo78bo13b3obbobobbobbo3bo$43bobbo7bobboo3bo10bo3bo78bo14bob
obo4b3obbobo$43boo3bobboobob3o14boboboo93bobboobbo6bo$44bo4b4o3bobo15b
ooboo89boo7b3obbo$45bo3bobbob4obo15b3o9boo65bo7b3obbobbo7bo3bo$52boboo
5bo14boo8boo67boo11boo7b3obbo$48b3o9b3o3b3o7bo11bo64bobo16bobboobbo6bo
$52boboo5bo13bobo76bo16bobobo4b3obbobo$29bo15bo3bobbob4obo15bobo84bo7b
3obbobobbobbo3bo$28bobo13bo4b4o3bobo17bo86boo5b3o3boobbobbobobbo$3bo
24bobo12boo3bobboobob3o9bo94boo5boobb3o8b4o$bbobo23bo14bobbo7bobboo3bo
4bobo14b3o84bobboo5bob3o3bo$bbobo22boo13b3o3boo4bobboo8boo15bo76b3o6b
3o11b7o$bbo24bobo11bo6bo6boboo8bo17bo75b3o6boo19bo$3bo37b5obbo10bo8bob
o115bobooboo$boo23b3o10boo18bobo6bobo93b3o19b3obbo$bobb3o19b3o10booboo
bo20b4o94b3o23boo$ooboobo36bobo19bobo15bo105bo$bo19boo6b3o8b5o20bobo
14boo79bobo24bo$bb7o11b3o6b3o8bobo22bo16bobo79boo22bobo$3bo3b3obo5boo
bbo19bo24bo97bo23bobo$4b4o8b3obboo5boo10boo24bobo93bobo24bo$4bobbobobb
obboo3b3o5boo11bobo23bo94bobo$5bo3bobbobbobobb3o7bo11bo23boo95bo$5bobo
bb3o4bobobo16bo28bobo10boo$6bo6bobboobbo16bobo28bo11bobo$10bobb3o7boo
11boo42bo$10bo3bo7bobbobb3o7bo$10bobb3o7boo$6bo6bobboobbo$5bobobb3o4bo
bobo14bo$5bo3bobbobbobobb3o13bo41boo$4bobbobobbobboo3b3o11boobbo38boo$
4b4o8b3obboo4bo3bo3bo3bo39bo$3bo3b3obo5boobbo4bobobo4bobbo$bb7o11b3o3b
o3bo6boo$bo19boo3bobobbo$ooboobo25b3o$bobb3o18boo8bo13bo25b3o$boo21boo
bbo6bo14bo24bo$3bo18booboo4bo16b3o25bo$bbo19b3o5booboo$bbobo21bo$bbobo
18b4obbo$3bo19b4o47bo$27bo6bo29bo8boo$27bobobboo31boo6bobo$32boo30boo$
34bo$32bo$32bo3bo$31bo5bo$31b5o$31bo5bo14bo$33b4o14boo23bo$33bo3boboo
7boobo23bobo$34b3obb3o4boo3bo13b3o7boo$37bob3o4bo4bo12bobbo7bo$35b3o3b
obbo3bobbo12bo3bo7bobo$35b3obboo4bo4bo13b4o7bobo$41bobbobobboobb3o11bo
6b4o$40boboobbo6b5o15bobo$41bobo9boob3o8bo5bobo$40boboobbo6b5o8bobo4bo
$41bobbobobboobb3o10bobo5bo$35b3obboo4bo4bo15bo6bobo$35b3o3bobbo3bobbo
8bo14bo$37bob3o4bo4bo7bobo12boo$34b3obb3o4boo3bo6boo15bobo$33bo3boboo
7boobo7bobo14bo$33b4o14boo6boo$31bo5bo14bo9bo$31b5o22bobbo$31bo5bo19bo
$32bo3bo19boo$32bo24bo$34bo22b3o$32boo24bo$32boo26bo$34bo23boo$58boo$
60bo!

I think the reason I found so few nice results is that you want a complicated reaction to create the rake's output so that an incoming spaceship has many chances to perturb it. Creating a LWSS the usual way for example, is so simple that there aren't many possibilities.

There must be more complicated LWSS creating reactions with many perturbation possibilities.

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Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries

Postby gameoflifemaniac » December 10th, 2017, 1:43 pm

Oscillator?
x = 16, y = 15, rule = B3/S23
14b2o2$12b2o2$10b2o2$8b2o2$6b2o2$4b2o2$2b2o2$2o!
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Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries

Postby hkoenig » December 10th, 2017, 2:35 pm

Long known.

#C 18P2.66 and extension
x=34, y=17
2o14b2o$obo13bo$17bobo$o2b2o3bo$bo6bo7b3ob2o$bo3b2o2bo$22b2o$7bobo$8b2o14b
2o2$26b2o2$28b2ob3o2$30bobo$33bo$32b2o!


Other ways of terminating the fuse are left as an exercise for the student.
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Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries

Postby lifeisawesome » December 15th, 2017, 5:46 am

a cool transparent beehive
x = 12, y = 8, rule = B3/S23
10bo$9bobo$4b2o3bobo$5b2o3bo$4b2o$5o$4o$b2o!
--Szymon Bartosiewicz
favorite pattern:
x = 2, y = 2, rule = B25/S3a
2o$2o!
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Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries

Postby gameoflifemaniac » December 15th, 2017, 9:40 am

hkoenig wrote:Long known.

#C 18P2.66 and extension
x=34, y=17
2o14b2o$obo13bo$17bobo$o2b2o3bo$bo6bo7b3ob2o$bo3b2o2bo$22b2o$7bobo$8b2o14b
2o2$26b2o2$28b2ob3o2$30bobo$33bo$32b2o!


Other ways of terminating the fuse are left as an exercise for the student.

Reduced:
x = 8, y = 7, rule = B3/S23
2o$obo3bo$6bo$o2b2o2bo$bo$bo3bobo$6b2o!
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Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries

Postby hkoenig » December 15th, 2017, 10:38 am

Yes. That's the smallest oscillator with that sort of fuse for a rotor segment. But I was talking more of other ways to terminate and stabilize the fuse--
x=30, y=26
28b2o$29bo$26bobo2$24b2ob3o2$22b2o2$20b2o2$18b2o2$16b2o2$4bo9b2o$2bobo$6b
obo3b2o$2o6bo$10b2o$bo$9bo$2b2o$8b2o$3bo$5bobo$5bo!


Here are some other P2 fuses that can be terminated--
x=120, y=37
14b2o5bo63bo$21bo64bo$14bo7b2o54bobo5bo$88bo$12b2o9b2o52bobo9bo$25bo63bo$12b
o12bobo48bobo12bo$27bo64bo$10b2o16b2o45bobo14bo$94bo$10bo18b2o43bobo18bo$31b
o63bo$8b2o21bobo39bobo21bo$33bo64bo$8bo25b2o36bobo23bo$100bo$6b2o27b2o34b
obo27bo$37bo63bo$6bo30bobo30bobo30bo$39bo64bo$4b2o34b2o27bobo32bo$106bo$4b
o36b2o25bobo36bo$43bo63bo$2b2o39bobo21bobo39bo$45bo64bo$2bo43b2o18bobo41b
o$112bo$2o45b2o16bobo45bo$49bo63bo$o48bobo12bobo48bo$51bo64bo$52b2o9bobo50b
o$118bo$53b2o7bobo54bo$55bo63bo$55bo5bobo!


Years ago I posted a large sheet showing a bunch of these, including ways to interconnect them.
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Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries

Postby mniemiec » December 15th, 2017, 11:15 am

gameoflifemaniac wrote:Reduced: ...

All period 2 oscillators up to 21 bits have been found by computer search years ago, so anything up to that size is already known. Also, all but one up to 16 bits has an explicit glider synthesis, as do most of those known larger ones. All period 3s up to 21 have also been computer searched, and all period 4, 5, 6, 8, 15, and 30 ones up to 21 bits have been searched by hand, so while it's possible that some other higher-period oscillators less than 22 bits will be found, it's fairly unlikely.
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Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries

Postby Macbi » December 15th, 2017, 11:29 am

mniemiec wrote:
gameoflifemaniac wrote:Reduced: ...

All period 2 oscillators up to 21 bits have been found by computer search years ago, so anything up to that size is already known. Also, all but one up to 16 bits has an explicit glider synthesis, as do most of those known larger ones. All period 3s up to 21 have also been computer searched, and all period 4, 5, 6, 8, 15, and 30 ones up to 21 bits have been searched by hand, so while it's possible that some other higher-period oscillators less than 22 bits will be found, it's fairly unlikely.

Could you explain a little bit about how search programs work that search up to a certain number of bits? I can't imagine at all how the search would be organised. It seems much harder than searching in a given bounding box.
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Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries

Postby mniemiec » December 15th, 2017, 3:09 pm

Macbi wrote:Could you explain a little bit about how search programs work that search up to a certain number of bits? I can't imagine at all how the search would be organised. It seems much harder than searching in a given bounding box.

Back in the 1990s, I wrote a search program to look for still-lifes. The idea was based on a similar program written by Peter Raynham in the 1970s. My program started with an arbitrarily large area (effectively unbounded, because I was searching by population, and the area boundaries were chosen so that the population constraints would be reached long before any boundary was).

Each cell in the area can have one of three states - definitely dead, definitely alive, or presumably dead (but which may be changed to alive). One seed cell in the center starts out as definitely alive. Everything above it, or directly left, is definitely dead. Everything below it, or directly right, starts as presumably dead. Every cell has certain derived properties, such as how many living neighbors it has, whether it is stable or not (e.g. living cells are stable if they have 2-3 neighbors, dead cells are stable if they have any number other than 3), and the degree of freedom (i.e. the number of presumably dead cells).

I would then do a tree search. At every level, I would find the most unstable presumably dead cell with the lowest degree of freedom, and then try two searches, assuming it is definitely dead, or definitely alive. In each case, forcing a cell's state would lower the degrees of freedom of neighboring cells, and if an unstable cell's degrees of freedom was lowered to 0, it could not be fixed, rendering this entire search branch non-viable. There were other similar optimizations (e.g. an unstable dead cell with n neighbors required exactly 3-n additional ones, so once its degree of freedom reached 3-n, all of its remaining neighbors had to be forced to be alive).

This method grows patterns like crystals outward from the seed. Given that the processor time required is around O(2.45^n) and the number of objects found is also around O(2.45^n), the algorithm is pretty much optimal. I used this to search for still-lifes up to 24 bits. Unfortunately, due to certain defects in the algorithm (notably in choices as to when it was reasonable to expand to disconnected islands), there were certain classes of objects that were not found; these had to be added manually, which was an error-prone process. There were relatively few at 22-24 bits, but at 25 there would have been over a hundred. (As it was, a subsequent search for still-lifes this year revealed that I had forgotten to count a few 24s from my manual list due to bookkeeping errors.)

I modified the same program to search for oscillators, by treating oscillators as still-lifes in a cylindrical 3D space. I used this to search for period 2 oscillators. Unfortunately, the time required expanded much faster than the result space, as searching for n-bit oscillators turned into a search for still-lifes of approximately 2n bits. I was only able to search for ones up to 21 bits. I tried using the same pattern to search for period 3 and 4 oscillators, but the compuational cost increased so prohibitively that I wasn't even able to search up to 12 bits, which is when the first results would have been found.

A few years ago, Nikolay Beluchenko searched for period 3 oscillators up to 20 bits by using WLS, using a rectangular area that would be large enough to contain them all, and a second search of a diagonal strip to catch the few that would have been larger. That search found 10 that had not been known previusly. A similar search was done this year for the 21-bit ones, and found 4 that were not previously known. As all the 20-bit ones that required the diagonal strip search were all variants of "two eaters", it is unlikely that there would be any new 21-bit ones that would have been missed by not doing a similar 21-bit diagonal strip search.

H. Koenig searched for period 4 oscillators up to 12 bits, but as far as I know, nobody has done any larger population-based searches for any periods higher than 3.
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Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries

Postby 83bismuth38 » December 16th, 2017, 9:42 am

Sokwe wrote: Flipping the "GD" at the front of the larger ship gives a "new" ship (compare with Paul Tooke's width-11 ship):
ship with my initials guiding it forward


:O IT'S MY INITIALS
x = 8, y = 10, rule = B3/S23
3b2o$3b2o$2b3o$4bobo$2obobobo$3bo2bo$2bobo2bo$2bo4bo$2bo4bo$2bo!

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Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries

Postby christoph r. » December 16th, 2017, 6:57 pm

There is a p552-gun (46x12), of course too big. But it has nice details, i think. Also the p92-gun in the top left corner is not compactest one. Yet even interesting. The glider from this gun are doubled by a natural Heisenburb and collide with glider from a p46-gun. Another detail: At the bottom there is a oneway gate. lwss from the left are allowed to pass, hwss from the right not.

x = 158, y = 147, rule = B3/S23
22b2o$15b3o4b2o$15b3o$14bo3bo38b2o$14b2ob2o38bo$14bo3bo36bobo$15bobo
20b2o15b2o$15bobo18b5o$16bo11b2o5bo4bo$28b2o5bo2b3o$35b2o2bo26b2o$37b
2o26b5o$65bo4bo5b2o$17b2ob2o15b2o26b3o2bo5b2o$16bo5bo12b2o2bo26bo2b2o$
35bo2b3o26b2o$15bo7bo11bo4bo$15bo2bobo2bo12b5o26b2o$15b3o3b3o14b2o26bo
2b2o$65b3o2bo$65bo4bo$7bo57b5o$7b3o40bo15b2o$10bo37b2o$9b2o38b2o3$22b
2o$22b2o4$5b2o$5b2o$18bo18bobo$19bo17b2o$17b3o18bo4$108b2o$108bo$5b3o
3b3o92bobo$5bo2bobo2bo92b2o$5bo7bo80b2o3bo$79b2o13b3obob2o$6bo5bo66b2o
13b3o4bo$7b2ob2o85bo3bo$98b3o7bo3b2o$80b2o3b2o19b2obob3o13b2o$79b3o3b
3o10b3o5bo4b3o13b2o$77b3o7b3o7bo3bo4bo3bo$77b3o7b3o4b3o4bo5b3o$77b3o7b
3o4b3obob2o19b2o3b2o$18b2o35b2o5b2o15b3o3b3o6b2o3bo7b3o10b3o3b3o$19b2o
33bobo5bobo15b2o3b2o19bo3bo7b3o7b3o$18bo34b3o7b3o40bo4b3o4b3o7b3o$53b
2ob3ob3ob2o40b2obob3o4b3o7b3o$25bobo26b5ob5o43bo3b2o6b3o3b3o$2b2o22b2o
28bo5bo58b2o3b2o$3bo22bo30b2ob2o$3o$o2$56bo5bo$55b2o5b2o30bo$11b2ob2o
38bob2o3b2obo28bo$10bo5bo37bob2o3b2obo28b3o$55b3o3b3o$9bo7bo37b3o3b3o$
9bo2bobo2bo$9b3o3b3o2$101b2o25b2o$101b2o26bo$129bobo$130b2o4b3o3bo$82b
o51b5o2bobo$82bobo10bo5bo31b2o3b2o3bo$82b2o10b3o3b3o31b2o3bo2bo11bo$
16b2o75b2o2bobo2b2o31bo3b3o12b3o$16b2o30bobo4b2o36b2ob2ob2ob2o53bo$26b
2o2b2o4bo2b2o8b2o4b2o39b2ob2o34bo3b3o12b3o$26b2ob2o6b2obo8bo44bobo3bob
o21b2o8b2o3bo2bo11bo$30bobo6bo53bo2bo3bo2bo19b5o5b2o3b2o3bo$31b2o4b3o
56bo3bo22bo4bo5b5o2bobo$52bo40bobo5bobo19b3o2bo7b3o3bo$31b2o4b3o13b2o
39bo7bo7bo13bo2b2o$30bobo6bo12b2o17bo36b3o14b2o$29b2o6b2obo7bo21bo36bo
$30b2o4bo2b2o8bo20b3o22bo12b3o14b2o$49bo44bobo13bo13bo2b2o$123b3o2bo$
92bo5bo24bo4bo$95bo27b5o$92b2o3b2o25b2o$67b2o$66b2o$68bo$92b2o3b2o$59b
o35bo5b2o$59bobo30bo5bo2b2o42bo$59b2o73bo10bo2b2o$94bobo36bobo8bo5bo5b
2o$95bo37bobo9bobo2b2o4b2o$145bo3b2o$125bo21b3o$124bobo$124b2o21b3o$
41b3o80b2o19bo3b2o$41b3o81b2o18bobo2b2o4b2o$35b2o3b5o33b4o42b3o17bo5bo
5b2o$35b2o2b2o3b2o23b2o6b6o17b2o21b2ob2o17bo2b2o$39b2o3b2o21b2ob2o4b2o
b4o16b2ob4o16b2o2b2o17bo$67b4o6b2o21b6o17b2ob2o$68b2o7bo23b4o$75b2o$
39b2o3b2o29b3o$39b2o3b2o23b2o3b5o$40b5o24b2o2b2o3b2o43b2o$41b3o29b2o3b
2o43b2o7b2o4bo2b2o12b2o$41b3o87b2o6b2obo12b2o$132bobo6bo$133b2o4b3o$
73b2o3b2o$73b2o3b2o53b2o4b3o$34b3o5b3o29b5o42bo10bo8bo$34b3o5b3o30b3o
42b2o11bo5b2obo12b2o$35b2o5b2o31b3o28b2o11b3obo5b2o2b2o3bo2b2o12b2o$
37bo3bo64b2o10b2o8b2obo3bo$35bo2bobo2bo75b2o8bob2o$34bo3bobo3bo75bo8bo
2bo$35bo2bobo2bo85bobo$35b3o3b3o24b3o5b3o41bo8bobo$68b3o5b3o40b2o7bo$
69b2o5b2o28b2o10b2o9b2o$71bo3bo30b2o11b3obo$69bo2bobo2bo42b2o10b2o$35b
2o31bo3bobo3bo42bo10bobo$35b2o32bo2bobo2bo56bo$69b3o3b3o56b2o5$69b2o$
69b2o!


With a little workaround around this gun you get an interupted gun. 30 lwss, then pause.

x = 956, y = 656, rule = B3/S23
261b2o$260b4o7b2o$259bobobo6bo2b2o11b2o$259b2ob3o4b6o11b2o$262b2obo5b
4o$262b2obo2$262b2obo$262b2obo5b4o$261bo2bo4b6o$262b2o6bo2b2o$262b2o7b
2o3$369b2o$359b2o7bobo15b2o$359b2o7bo17b2o$368b3o2$383bo$380b2o3bo$
368b3o9b2obob2o$368bo10bo6b2o$368bobo9b2obob2o5bo$369b2o9b2o3bo5b3o$
383bo6b2obo$390b3o$391b2o2$400bo$401bo$399b3o6$472bo2bo$462b3o7bo$448b
2o11bo4bo9bo$448b2o10bo5bo8b2o$461bo8bo$462b2o8b2o2$462b2o8b2o$461bo8b
o3bo$460bo5bo4bo2bo$461bo4bo4bo2bo$462b3o7b2o4$423bo24bobo$424bo26bo$
422b3o26bo$448bo2bo$449b3o13$392bo$391b3o$390b2obo$390b3o35b2o$391b2o
36b2o$428bo$446bo$447bo$445b3o4$352b2o$352bobo$352bo12$405b2o$406b2o$
405bo$448bobo18bo$451bo18bo$451bo16b3o$448bo2bo$449b3o13$392bo$391b3o$
390b2obo$382b2o6b3o$383b2o6b2o$382bo$492bo$493bo$491b3o4$398b2o$398bob
o$398bo9$392bo$391b3o$391bob2o$359b2o31b3o$360b2o30b2o$359bo$448bobo
64bo$451bo64bo$451bo62b3o$448bo2bo$449b3o2$421b2o$421bobo$421bo$285b2o
$285b3o$284bob2o$284b3o$285bo4$392bo$391b3o$390b2obo$336b2o52b3o$337b
2o52b2o$336bo$538bo$539bo$537b3o4$444b2o$444bobo$444bo8$444b2o$392bo
51b2o$391b3o$391bob2o$313b2o77b3o$314b2o76b2o$313bo130b3o3b3o$444bo2bo
bo2bo108bo$443bo3bobo3bo108bo$444bo2bobo2bo107b3o$446bo3bo$444b2o5b2o$
443b3o5b3o$443b3o5b3o11$392bo$391b3o$390b2obo$290b2o98b3o51b2o5b2o$
291b2o98b2o51b2o5b2o$290bo$584bo$585bo$583b3o15$392bo$391b3o$391bob2o$
267b2o123b3o$268b2o122b2o$267bo169b2o$430b3o4b2o168bo$430b3o175bo$429b
o3bo38b2o132b3o$429b2ob2o38bo$429bo3bo36bobo$430bobo20b2o15b2o$430bobo
18b5o$431bo11b2o5bo4bo$443b2o5bo2b3o$450b2o2bo26b2o$452b2o26b5o$480bo
4bo5b2o$432b2ob2o15b2o26b3o2bo5b2o$431bo5bo12b2o2bo26bo2b2o$450bo2b3o
26b2o$430bo7bo11bo4bo$430bo2bobo2bo12b5o26b2o$392bo37b3o3b3o14b2o26bo
2b2o$391b3o86b3o2bo$390b2obo86bo4bo$244b2o144b3o29bo57b5o$245b2o144b2o
29b3o40bo15b2o$244bo180bo37b2o$424b2o38b2o164bo$631bo$629b3o$437b2o$
437b2o4$420b2o$420b2o$433bo18bobo$434bo17b2o$432b3o18bo4$523b2o$392bo
130bo$391b3o26b3o3b3o92bobo$391bob2o25bo2bobo2bo92b2o$221b2o169b3o25bo
7bo80b2o3bo$222b2o168b2o100b2o13b3obob2o$221bo199bo5bo66b2o13b3o4bo$
422b2ob2o85bo3bo136bo$513b3o7bo3b2o125bo$495b2o3b2o19b2obob3o13b2o108b
3o$494b3o3b3o10b3o5bo4b3o13b2o$492b3o7b3o7bo3bo4bo3bo$492b3o7b3o4b3o4b
o5b3o$492b3o7b3o4b3obob2o19b2o3b2o$433b2o35b2o5b2o15b3o3b3o6b2o3bo7b3o
10b3o3b3o$434b2o33bobo5bobo15b2o3b2o19bo3bo7b3o7b3o$433bo34b3o7b3o40bo
4b3o4b3o7b3o$468b2ob3ob3ob2o40b2obob3o4b3o7b3o$440bobo26b5ob5o43bo3b2o
6b3o3b3o$417b2o22b2o28bo5bo58b2o3b2o$418bo22bo30b2ob2o$415b3o$415bo2$
392bo78bo5bo$391b3o76b2o5b2o30bo$390b2obo32b2ob2o38bob2o3b2obo28bo$
198b2o190b3o32bo5bo37bob2o3b2obo28b3o$199b2o190b2o77b3o3b3o$198bo225bo
7bo37b3o3b3o$424bo2bobo2bo243bo$424b3o3b3o244bo$675b3o$516b2o25b2o$
516b2o26bo$544bobo$545b2o4b3o3bo$497bo51b5o2bobo$497bobo10bo5bo31b2o3b
2o3bo$497b2o10b3o3b3o31b2o3bo2bo11bo$431b2o75b2o2bobo2b2o31bo3b3o12b3o
$431b2o30bobo4b2o36b2ob2ob2ob2o53bo$441b2o2b2o4bo2b2o8b2o4b2o39b2ob2o
34bo3b3o12b3o$441b2ob2o6b2obo8bo44bobo3bobo21b2o8b2o3bo2bo11bo$445bobo
6bo53bo2bo3bo2bo19b5o5b2o3b2o3bo$446b2o4b3o56bo3bo22bo4bo5b5o2bobo$
467bo40bobo5bobo19b3o2bo7b3o3bo$392bo53b2o4b3o13b2o39bo7bo7bo13bo2b2o$
391b3o51bobo6bo12b2o17bo36b3o14b2o$391bob2o49b2o6b2obo7bo21bo36bo$175b
2o215b2o51b2o4bo2b2o8bo20b3o22bo12b3o14b2o$176b2o214b2o70bo44bobo13bo
13bo2b2o$175bo215b3o144b3o2bo$390bob2o113bo5bo24bo4bo155bo$389b2obo
117bo27b5o157bo$389bo3bo113b2o3b2o25b2o157b3o$390bo2bo88b2o$391bobo87b
2o$483bo$507b2o3b2o$474bo35bo5b2o$474bobo30bo5bo2b2o42bo$474b2o73bo10b
o2b2o$509bobo36bobo8bo5bo5b2o$510bo37bobo9bobo2b2o4b2o$560bo3b2o$540bo
21b3o$539bobo$539b2o21b3o$456b3o80b2o19bo3b2o$392bo63b3o81b2o18bobo2b
2o4b2o$391b3o56b2o3b5o33b4o42b3o17bo5bo5b2o$390b2obo56b2o2b2o3b2o23b2o
6b6o17b2o21b2ob2o17bo2b2o$152b2o236b3o61b2o3b2o21b2ob2o4b2ob4o16b2ob4o
16b2o2b2o17bo$153b2o236b2o89b4o6b2o21b6o17b2ob2o$152bo330b2o7bo23b4o$
490b2o230bo$454b2o3b2o29b3o230bo$454b2o3b2o23b2o3b5o227b3o$455b5o24b2o
2b2o3b2o43b2o$456b3o29b2o3b2o43b2o7b2o4bo2b2o12b2o$456b3o87b2o6b2obo
12b2o$547bobo6bo$548b2o4b3o$488b2o3b2o$488b2o3b2o53b2o4b3o$449b3o5b3o
29b5o42bo10bo8bo$449b3o5b3o30b3o42b2o11bo5b2obo12b2o$450b2o5b2o31b3o
28b2o11b3obo5b2o2b2o3bo2b2o12b2o$409b2o41bo3bo64b2o10b2o8b2obo3bo$409b
2o39bo2bobo2bo75b2o8bob2o$449bo3bobo3bo75bo8bo2bo$450bo2bobo2bo85bobo$
392bo57b3o3b3o24b3o5b3o41bo8bobo$391b3o89b3o5b3o40b2o7bo$391bob2o89b2o
5b2o28b2o10b2o9b2o$129b2o261b3o91bo3bo30b2o11b3obo$130b2o260b2o90bo2bo
bo2bo42b2o10b2o$129bo320b2o31bo3bobo3bo42bo10bobo$403bo5bo40b2o32bo2bo
bo2bo56bo195bo$402b3o3b3o73b3o3b3o56b2o195bo$402bob2ob2obo333b3o$404b
2ob2o$404b2ob2o$404b2ob2o$484b2o$484b2o2$419bo$417b3o$416bo$416b2o3$
400bo$400bobo$392bo7b2o$391b3o$390b2obo$106b2o282b3o$107b2o282b2o$106b
o$768bo$408b2ob2o356bo$408b2ob2o354b3o$408b2ob2o$406bob2ob2obo$369b2o
35b3o3b3o$368bobob2o8b2o23bo5bo$367b2o3b2o9b2o$368bobob2o5b5o$369b2o8b
4o2$379b4o$379b5o$366b2o15b2o8b2o$366b2o14b2o9b2o$413b2o$413b2o4$83b2o
$84b2o$83bo$791bo$792bo$790b3o7$285b2o$285b3o$284bob2o$284b3o$285bo7$
60b2o$61b2o$60bo$814bo$815bo$813b3o13$925b2o$926bo$926bobo$927b2o$939b
o3bo$37b2o899bo5bo9b2o$38b2o904bo9b2o$37bo901bo3b2o$837bo80bo3bo17b3o$
838bo67b2o9bo5bo$836b3o67b2o9bo22b3o$917b2o3bo16bo3b2o$919b3o22bo$938b
o5bo$919b3o17bo3bo$917b2o3bo$917bo$917bo5bo7bo$918bo3bo9b2o$931b2o6$
889bo2bo42bo2bo13b2o$14b2o21b4o42b4o42b4o42b4o42b4o42b4o42b4o42b4o42b
4o42b4o42b4o42b4o42b4o42b4o42b4o42b4o42b4o42b4o42b4o19bo22b4o19bo17b2o
$14b2o21bo3bo41bo3bo41bo3bo41bo3bo41bo3bo41bo3bo41bo3bo41bo3bo41bo3bo
41bo3bo41bo3bo41bo3bo41bo3bo41bo3bo41bo3bo41bo3bo41bo3bo41bo3bo41bo3bo
18bo3bo18bo3bo18bo3bo$37bo45bo45bo45bo45bo45bo45bo45bo45bo45bo45bo45bo
45bo45bo45bo45bo45bo45bo45bo22b4o19bo22b4o$16bo21bo2bo42bo2bo42bo2bo
42bo2bo42bo2bo42bo2bo42bo2bo42bo2bo42bo2bo42bo2bo42bo2bo42bo2bo42bo2bo
42bo2bo42bo2bo42bo2bo42bo2bo42bo2bo42bo2bo42bo2bo$15bobo2$9b2o2bo5bo$
9b2o5bo$13b2o3b2o2$945b3o3b3o$944bo2bo3bo2bo$13b2o3b2o928bobo$16bo931b
obo$13bo5bo928bobo$944bo2bo3bo2bo$15bobo927bo7bo$16bo3$9bo7bo928bo$8bo
bo5bobo925b2ob2o$11bo3bo$8bo2bo3bo2bo925b2ob2o$9bobo3bobo926bo3bo$11b
2ob2o929b3o$8b2ob2ob2ob2o933b2o$8b2o2bobo2b2o933b2o$9b3o3b3o$10bo5bo4$
9b2o$9b2o77$31b2o$31bo$29bobo$29b2o$17b2o3bo$2b2o13b3obob2o$2b2o13b3o
4bo$20bo3bo$21b3o7bo3b2o$3b2o3b2o19b2obob3o13b2o$2b3o3b3o10b3o5bo4b3o
13b2o$3o7b3o7bo3bo4bo3bo$3o7b3o4b3o4bo5b3o$3o7b3o4b3obob2o19b2o3b2o$2b
3o3b3o6b2o3bo7b3o10b3o3b3o$3b2o3b2o19bo3bo7b3o7b3o$29bo4b3o4b3o7b3o$
29b2obob3o4b3o7b3o$31bo3b2o6b3o3b3o$44b2o3b2o4$10b3o$10b3o$4b2o3b5o3bo
42b2o44b2o44b2o44b2o44b2o44b2o44b2o$4b2o2b2o3b4o21b2o19b4o21b2o19b4o
21b2o19b4o21b2o19b4o21b2o19b4o21b2o19b4o21b2o19b4o27b2o$8b2o3b6o17b2ob
2o18b2ob2o18b2ob2o18b2ob2o18b2ob2o18b2ob2o18b2ob2o18b2ob2o18b2ob2o18b
2ob2o18b2ob2o18b2ob2o18b2ob2o18b2ob2o26b2o$36b4o21b2o19b4o21b2o19b4o
21b2o19b4o21b2o19b4o21b2o19b4o21b2o19b4o21b2o$37b2o44b2o44b2o44b2o44b
2o44b2o44b2o2$8b2o3b2o$8b2o3b2o356b2o$9b5o357b2o$10b3o351b3o$10b3o350b
o3bo$363b2ob2o2$363b2ob2o$365bo$3b3o5b3o$3b3o5b3o$4b2o5b2o$6bo3bo353bo
7bo$4bo2bobo2bo350bo2bo3bo2bo$3bo3bobo3bo353bobo$4bo2bobo2bo354bobo$4b
3o3b3o354bobo$363bo2bo3bo2bo$364b3o3b3o3$4b2o$4b2o6$371b2o$371b2o!
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Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries

Postby christoph r. » December 16th, 2017, 7:14 pm

This expanding spaceship (p144-rake) is shurely not new. At the 2(3) frontends the speed is c/2. At the rake-end the speed is c/6.

x = 116, y = 62, rule = B3/S23
77bo$11b2o57b3o3b3o$9bo4bo10b4o40bo2bo2b2obo7bo4b3o$8bo15b6o42bo2b3o7b
3o2bo2bo$8bo5bo8b2ob4o42bo2b3o7bob2o4bo$8b6o10b2o43bobo4b2o8b4o3bo$b2o
74bo8b2o5bo$2ob2o69bo15bo2bo$b4o63bo5bo3b2o11b2o$2b2o19bo43b3o23bo$3bo
5b3o11b2o41b2obo4b2obobo2b3o$bo3bo3b2obo9bobo41b3o5b2ob2o2bo2bo4b2o3bo
3bo$o5bo5bo18bobo32b3o7bo7bo4b2obo4b3o$o5bo3b3o11bo6b2o33b3o11bo3bo4bo
2b2o3bob2o$6obo3bo20bo34b2o11bo3bo5b3o5b3o$9bo74bo13b3o$21b2o12bobo43b
obo14b3o$20b2ob4o8b2o61b2o$10b2o9b6o9bo$9b2ob4o6b4o$10b6o23bobo$11b4o
24b2o$40bo33bo$27b4o43bobo$26b6o11bobo28b2o14bo$25b2ob4o11b2o43b2o$26b
2o16bo44b2o2$47bobo$47b2o$16b6o26bo41b2o22b2o$16bo5b4o64b2o22b2o$16bo
5bob2o9bobo13bobo49bobo$17bo3bo2b2o10b2o13b2o19bo29bo2bo$19bo16bo15bo
18bobo27b2obo$18b2o52b2o33b2o$17b4o26bobo12bo2bo43bo$16b2ob2o27b2o16bo
8b2ob3o19bob4obobo$17b2o29bo13bo3bo8bo2b2o2bo18bo3bob2o$24b6o22b2o9b4o
7b2o6bo23b3o$24bo5bo20bobo28bo22b2o$24bo28bo23bo3bo22b2o$10b2o13bo4bo
46bo2bo23b2o$9b2ob4o11b2o11b2o$10b6o23bobo$2b4o5b4o26bo$2bo3bo$2bo25b
2o$3bo9bobo11bobo$5b2o22bo80bo$15b2o92bo$2b2o3b2o6b2o92b3o$b2ob3obo7bo
$2b6o7b2o$3b4o3$11b6o$11bo5bo$11bo$12bo4bo$14b2o!
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Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries

Postby 83bismuth38 » December 16th, 2017, 8:08 pm

WELL OK THEN IF YOU SAY SO MR 2c/26:
x = 168, y = 6, rule = B3/S23:T168,6
4o13bo7b3o5bo8b3o7bo5b3o8bo17b4o24b2o24b2o3bo20bo$4bo10bobobo4bo3bo2b
3o7bobobo5bobo4b3o7b3o7bo5b5obo3b3o7b2o4bo2b2obo3bobo8bo3bobo2bobo4bo
9b2ob2o3bo$5bo7b3o3b3o2bo3bob3o7b3ob3o3bo3bo2bo9b2ob2o4b2ob2o2bo10bobo
6b3o3bobob2o4bo2bo6b2o5bo3bo6bo8b3ob3o2bo$4bo10bobobo4bo3bo2b3o7bobobo
5bobo4b3o7b3o7bo5b5obo3b3o7b2o4bo2b2obo3bobo8bo3bobo2bobo4bo9b2ob2o3bo
$4o13bo7b3o5bo8b3o7bo5b3o8bo17b4o24b2o24b2o3bo20bo!
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EDIT:exceptforthefactthatit'sprobablynotstabilizablesoimkindofsadbutidon'tknowifitcanbestabilizedsothismaybeaye
x = 8, y = 10, rule = B3/S23
3b2o$3b2o$2b3o$4bobo$2obobobo$3bo2bo$2bobo2bo$2bo4bo$2bo4bo$2bo!

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Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries

Postby 83bismuth38 » December 16th, 2017, 9:22 pm

(new post because i do not want to disturb the molds)
anybody else seeing the 'ye' go off the side of the post?
x = 8, y = 10, rule = B3/S23
3b2o$3b2o$2b3o$4bobo$2obobobo$3bo2bo$2bobo2bo$2bo4bo$2bo4bo$2bo!

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Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries

Postby A for awesome » December 22nd, 2017, 10:02 pm

Can the central object be synthesized cheaply, and would this be useful if it could?
x = 27, y = 8, rule = B3/S23
20bo$9bo10bobo$8b3o9b2o$10bo13b2o$3o21bobo$2bo6bo14bo$bo7b2o$10bo!
x₁=ηx
V ⃰_η=c²√(Λη)
K=(Λu²)/2
Pₐ=1−1/(∫^∞_t₀(p(t)ˡ⁽ᵗ⁾)dt)

$$x_1=\eta x$$
$$V^*_\eta=c^2\sqrt{\Lambda\eta}$$
$$K=\frac{\Lambda u^2}2$$
$$P_a=1-\frac1{\int^\infty_{t_0}p(t)^{l(t)}dt}$$

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Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries

Postby mniemiec » December 23rd, 2017, 3:51 am

A for awesome wrote:Can the central object be synthesized cheaply, and would this be useful if it could? ...

Since the middle part doesn't come up from 2 gliders, it would require at least 3, making this take at least 6. This can already be made from 6 gliders (blinker+4). It can also be grown from two houses, which means the same converter can also add 2 blocks to spark coil or other similar object. This might be done more cheaply if the result of the left part (two blocks on a house) could form from 3 gliders. Alone, that makes a constellation of an up boat on boat plus two blocks. It might be useful to do a search for random 3-glider collisions that make that constellation, as it's likely it would form this way.
x = 156, y = 58, rule = B3/S23
135bo$134bo$134b3o$$130bo$131bo$129b3o3$88bo62booboo$89boo60bo3bo$88b
oo62b3o$$86bo26bo19bo18b3o$86boo25bo19bo17bo3bo$85bobo25bo19bo17booboo
$$151booboo$151booboo$$131boo$130bobo$132bo$$133boo$133bobo$133bo6$3bo
$3bobo$3boo$$bbo$obo78bobo$boo79boo$21booboo15booboo15booboo16bo8boob
oo15booboo15booboo15booboo$21bo3bo15bo3bo15bo3bo25bo3bo15bo3bo15bo3bo
15bo3bo$22b3o17b3o17b3o27b3o17b3o17b3o17b3o$54bo$22b3o17b3o9bobo5b3o
16boo9b3o9bo7b3o17b3o17b3o$21bo3bo15bo3bo8boo5bo3bo14bobo8bo3bo8bobo4b
o3bo15bo3bo15bo3bo$21booboo15booboo5boo8booboo4boo10bo8booboo4boobboo
5booboo15booboo15booboo$boo48bobo16boo12b3o13boo$obo48bo32bo26booboo
15booboo15booboo$bbo82bo25booboo15booboo15booboo$$3boo99boo$3bobo80b3o
9b3o3bobo14bo19bo$3bo84bo9bo5bo16bo19bo$87bo11bo21bo19bo$$142boo$142bo
bo$142bo!
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Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries

Postby lifeisawesome » December 28th, 2017, 8:33 am

wow
x = 12, y = 17, rule = B3/S23
$3bo2b2o$6b2o$6b2o$4bobo$3b2o$5bo$8b3o$6b2obo$6b3o$7bo3$b2o$2b2o$bo!
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2o$2o!
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Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries

Postby Rhombic » December 30th, 2017, 7:58 am

Is this catalyst known??
x = 25, y = 16, rule = B3/S23
2o$bo$bobo$2b2o$24bo$22b3o$21bo$22bo$21b2o$20bo2b2o$2bo17b2o2bo$2bobo
17b2o$2b3o15b2o$4bo16bo$21bobo$22b2o!
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Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries

Postby simeks » December 30th, 2017, 10:43 am

Rhombic wrote:Is this catalyst known??
x = 25, y = 16, rule = B3/S23
2o$bo$bobo$2b2o$24bo$22b3o$21bo$22bo$21b2o$20bo2b2o$2bo17b2o2bo$2bobo
17b2o$2b3o15b2o$4bo16bo$21bobo$22b2o!

There are so many possible catalysts when starting from an H for example, that I don't think anyone can really keep track of which ones are known... The interesting question is more if you can do something nice with it.

That particular catalyst is actually known though, it is used in this H-to-G, and this H-to-2G (first code box)
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Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries

Postby Rhombic » December 30th, 2017, 2:29 pm

simeks wrote:
Rhombic wrote:Is this catalyst known??
x = 25, y = 16, rule = B3/S23
2o$bo$bobo$2b2o$24bo$22b3o$21bo$22bo$21b2o$20bo2b2o$2bo17b2o2bo$2bobo
17b2o$2b3o15b2o$4bo16bo$21bobo$22b2o!

There are so many possible catalysts when starting from an H for example, that I don't think anyone can really keep track of which ones are known... The interesting question is more if you can do something nice with it.

That particular catalyst is actually known though, it is used in this H-to-G, and this H-to-2G (first code box)

Edgy beehive factory
x = 25, y = 16, rule = B3/S23
2o$bo12b2o$bobo10b2o$2b2o$24bo$22b3o$21bo$22bo$21b2o$20bo2b2o$2bo17b2o
2bo$2bobo17b2o$2b3o15b2o$4bo16bo$21bobo$22b2o!

Another cheap option with a different output:
x = 22, y = 22, rule = B3/S23
2o$bo$bobo$2b2o5$20b2o$20b2o$2bo$2bobo$2b3o$4bo5$16b2o$16bo$17b3o$19bo
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Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries

Postby Rhombic » January 1st, 2018, 6:05 pm

Is this Herschel *counter*(period doubler?) with 1st glider output known? It has to be known, but I don't know the nomenclature so I couldn't find it in advance.
x = 53, y = 23, rule = B3/S23
14b2o29b2o$2o12b2o15b2o12b2o$bo30bo$bobo28bobo$2b2o29b2o3$25b2o$25b2o$
20b2o29b2o$20b2o29b2o$2bo30bo5b2o$2bobo28bobo3b2o$2b3o28b3o$4bo30bo5$
16b2o29b2o$16bo30bo$17b3o28b3o$19bo30bo!

(1: H-->G, 2: Herschel is destroyed, 1, 2...)
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Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries

Postby dvgrn » January 1st, 2018, 7:35 pm

Rhombic wrote:Is this Herschel *counter*(period doubler?) with 1st glider output known? It has to be known, but I don't know the nomenclature so I couldn't find it in advance.
x = 53, y = 23, rule = B3/S23
14b2o29b2o$2o12b2o15b2o12b2o$bo30bo$bobo28bobo$2b2o29b2o3$25b2o$25b2o$
20b2o29b2o$20b2o29b2o$2bo30bo5b2o$2bobo28bobo3b2o$2b3o28b3o$4bo30bo5$
16b2o29b2o$16bo30bo$17b3o28b3o$19bo30bo!

I don't think that specific variant is known, actually. There are a lot of ways to stop a Herschel and leave some junk behind that absorbs a following Herschel. There are ones in the H->G column (1,1) and (-2,-2) diagonally from your block location, for example, but not in that exact location.

x = 97, y = 519, rule = LifeHistory
42.D4.D13.4D$42.D4.D12.D4.D$42.D4.D12.D$42.D4.D6.D5.D$42.D4.D7.D4.D$
42.6D3.6D3.D2.3D$42.D4.D7.D4.D4.D$42.D4.D6.D5.D4.D$42.D4.D12.D4.D$42.
D4.D13.4D5$88.D$87.D$87.3D20$58.2A$57.B2AB$48.2A8.3B$49.A7.B.B$49.A.A
B3.6B$50.2AB.8B6.2A$44.2A6.10B6.A$45.A6.11B2.BA.A$45.A.AB2.13B.B2A$
46.2AB.16B$48.18B$48.17B$49.16B$48.8B2D7B$46.10B2D7B$43.21B$41.5BC15B
$41.5BCBC12B$41.5B3C12B$41.7BC4B3.6B$41.11B5.5B$41.4B2.4B6.5B$40.4B2.
4B7.B2A2B$39.4B2.4B9.2A$31.2A8.B2.4B$30.B2AB9.4B$31.2B$30.2B$29.BA2B.
B$29.A.A3B$30.A.3B$27.3A4.B$27.A2$35.E$35.2E9$43.2E$43.E9$53.4B$54.4B
$55.4B$56.4B$57.6B$57.8B$57.8B$56.9B$56.9B$56.10B$56.11B$54.5B2.6B$
44.2A8.5B2.4B$45.A9.9B$45.A.AB5.10B$46.2AB.3B.10B$48.17B$48.17B$49.
15B$48.15B$46.17B$39.2B2.20B$38.8BC9B2D5B$38.8BCBC4B.BD2BD5B$38.8B3C
4B.2B2D5B$38.10BC4B2.7B$38.14B3.7B$38.2B.4B10.7B$40.4B12.4B$39.4B14.
5B$38.4B5.4B9.2A$29.2A6.4B19.A$28.B2AB4.4B21.3A$29.3B3.4B24.A$28.B.B
3.4B5.B$27.10B5.2B$25.11B5.3B$24.11B5.4B$22.12B5.4B$21.12B5.4B$3.A16.
14B3.4B$2.A.A13.17B.4B$2.A.A12.22B$.2A.2A10.6B2A14B$4.B9.8B2A16B$.2AB
2AB6.27B$2.A.2A32B.B2A$A3.31B4.BA.A$2A4.29B7.A$4.29B9.2A$4.28B$4.4B2A
22B$2.2AB.2B2A21B$.A.AB.5B.15B.B.B2A$.A5.3B2.16B2.BA.A$2A6.3B.12B.2B
6.A$7.B2AB.11B10.2A$8.2A3.9B$14.3B.B$13.2B$12.2BAB$13.A.A$14.A16$54.A
$54.3A$57.A$56.2A4.2B$44.2A10.8B$45.A12.7B$45.A.AB7.9B$46.2AB.3B3.10B
$48.19B$48.18B$49.15B$48.15B$46.17B$43.20B$42.4BC15B$42.4BCBC4B.3B2D
4B$42.4B3C4B2.2B2D3B$42.6BC4B2.7B$42.10B4.6B$42.3B10.7B$42.2B12.6B$
42.B13.7B$39.2A16.5B$40.A16.6B$37.3A15.9B$37.A17.2A.7B$56.A5.3B$53.3A
7.2B$53.A17$47.2A7.2A$47.A7.A2.A$48.3A.2A2.2A$50.A.A.2A$51.2B2.A$50.
4B.A.A$49.5B2.2A$46.8B$44.7B2DB$44.2BC4B2D$43.3BCBC4B$44.2B3C4B$43.5B
C4B$42.10B$41.4B$40.4B2$39.E$39.2E23$30.4B12.A$31.4B11.3A$32.4B13.A$
33.4B11.2A$34.4B10.5B6.2A$35.4B11.4B5.A$36.4B9.6B.BA.A$37.4B7.7B.B2A$
38.4B4.11B$39.4B3.11B$40.17B$36.2A3.15B$37.A4.13B$37.A.AB2.12B2.2A$
38.2AB.15BA.A$40.16B3.A$40.16B3.2A$41.15B$40.15B$38.19B$36.21B$36.2BC
15B.2B$35.3BCBC4B.3BD3B$36.2B3C4B2.2BD3B$35.5BC4B3.BD4B$34.10B5.B.3B$
33.4B11.3BA3B$33.3B12.A.A.A2.A$31.4B11.3A.A.4A$31.2A12.A5.A$32.A12.2A
6.A$29.3A20.2A$29.A28$44.A14.B$44.3A11.4B$47.A9.4B$46.2A8.4B$34.2A10.
6B3.4B$35.A12.5B.4B$35.A.AB7.11B$36.2A5B3.13B$38.20B2A$38.20B2A$39.
20B$38.21B$36.20B$34.21B$34.2BC15B.4B$33.3BCBC4B.3BD3B4.2A$34.2B3C4B
2.2BD3B4.A$33.5BC4B3.BD4B4.3A$32.10B5.5B6.A$31.4B11.3BA3B$31.3B12.A.A
.A2.A$29.4B11.3A.A.4A$29.2A12.A5.A$30.A12.2A6.A$27.3A20.2A$27.A32$87.
4B$86.4B$56.2A17.2C8.4B$57.A16.B2C2B5.4B$44.A11.A18.4B2.6B$44.3A9.2A
16.12B$47.A9.B15.12B$34.2A10.2A9.3B12.13B$35.A10.5B5.6B9.15B$35.A.AB
9.4B3.10B6.9B2D4B$36.2AB.3B4.6B.12B3.11B2D4B$38.7B.9BD3B2A15BE9B2C$
38.17B2D2B2A15BEBE5B.C2BC2.2C$39.17B2D18B3E4B2.CBCB3.C2.C$38.18BD21BE
4B3.C4B.C.C.C$36.19BD26B6.B2C.C2.C$34.18B.B3.13B.8B9.BCB.C$34.2BC13B
7.7B.B4.8B8.C4.C$33.3BCBC4B.6B19.4B13.5C$34.2B3C4B2.B.5B16.4B$33.5BC
4B7.2A15.4B17.C$32.10B8.A15.4B17.C.C$31.4B16.3A11.4B19.C$31.3B19.A$
29.4B$29.2A$30.A$27.3A$27.A22$37.C$36.2BC$36.3CB23.A$37.4B14.2C6.3A$
38.4B6.2A6.C9.A10.2A$39.4B5.A7.C.CB5.2A3.B5.B2AB.2A$40.4B6.A6.2CB5.8B
4.3B.2A$41.4B4.2A8.3B5.8B.6B$42.4B2.2B9.4B4.13B$35.2A6.8B9.4B2.14B.2B
$36.A7.7B10.21B2A$36.A.2A5.7B2.B2.2B2.19B.B2A$37.A2.A4.19BD15B2.B$38.
2AB3.20BDBD4B.3B2D2B$39.14B2A9B3D4B2.2B2D2B$40.13B2A11BD4B2.6B$41.30B
2.6B$41.17B.4B5.4B.7B$42.15B3.2B7.4B.6B$42.15B3.3B7.9B$43.13B5.A2B.2A
4.8B$45.13B2.A.A2B.A5.8B$44.8B4.2A.A.AB2.A7.7B7.A$44.6B6.2ABA4.A9.6B
5.3A$44.5B8.B2.5A.A7.7B3.A$44.B.B8.A.3A5.2A7.7B3.2A$45.3B7.2A3.4A10.
2B3D7B$44.B2AB10.2A2.A.3A7.2BD7B$45.2A12.A6.A7.B3D7B$58.A15.10B$58.2A
14.11B$73.12B$72.13B$71.4B2.4B$70.4B3.2B2AB$69.4B5.BA2BA$68.4B6.2B2A.
A$67.4B8.3B.A$66.4B8.A4.A.2A$65.4B7.3A3.2A.2A$64.4B7.A$63.4B8.2A$62.
4B$61.4B$60.4B$59.4B18$43.C$42.2BC13.4B$42.3CB13.4B6.A$43.4B13.4B5.3A
$44.4B6.2A5.4B7.A10.2A$45.4B5.A7.4B5.2A3.B5.B2AB.2A$46.4B6.A6.4B4.8B
4.3B.2A$47.4B4.2A7.4B5.8B.6B$48.4B2.2B9.4B4.13B$41.2A6.8B9.4B2.14B.2B
$42.A7.7B10.21B2A$42.A.2A5.7B2.B2.2B2.19B.B2A$43.A2.A4.19BD15B2.B$44.
2AB3.20BDBD4B.3B2D2B$45.14B2A9B3D4B2.2B2D2B$46.13B2A11BD4B2.6B$47.30B
2.6B$47.17B.4B5.4B.7B$48.15B3.2B7.4B.6B$48.15B3.3B7.9B$49.13B5.A2B.2A
4.8B$51.13B2.A.A2B.A5.8B$50.8B4.2A.A.AB2.A7.7B$50.6B6.2ABA4.A9.6B$50.
5B8.B2.5A.A7.7B$50.B.B8.A.3A5.2A7.7B$51.3B7.2A3.4A10.2B3D3B$50.B2AB
10.2A2.A.3A7.2BD7B3.B$51.2A12.A6.A7.B3D7B.B2A$64.A15.13B2A$64.2A14.
14B$79.15B$78.14B$85.B2A2B$86.2A!

I added the new 2H-to-G to the collection, since it's nice and Spartan. Probably won't bother to add the hundreds of other equivalent circuits that are out there, though, so please don't go on a collecting binge on my account...
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Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries

Postby AforAmpere » January 24th, 2018, 8:28 pm

Could this be used to more efficiently synthesize 16.30?
x = 25, y = 29, rule = B3/S23
8$15b3o$13b2o$13b2ob2o3$16bo$16b2o$18bo$16b2o$16bo6$7b2o3b3o$7bobo3bob
o$8bo$14bo!

There is a honeyfarm predecessor, a pi, a weird corruption I don't know how to synthesize, and a boat.
Things to work on:
- Find a (7,1)c/8 ship in a Non-totalistic rule (someone please search the rules)
- Find a C/10 in JustFriends
- Find a C/10 in Day and Night
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