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Stable glider reflector

Postby gmc_nxtman » August 17th, 2015, 6:46 am

I have finally made my first stable contraption, inspired by calcyman's stable patterns. It is a stable glider reflector, not using the snark or syringe, and it contains one eater2. It has a bounding box of 95 x 74, and a recovery time of 600. (EDIT: Improved to 488)

x = 95, y = 74, rule = LifeHistory
6.A$5.A.A$5.A.A$3.3A.2A$2.A4.B$3.3AB2AB$5.A.2AB$7.5B$9.4B$8.5B.B$8.8B
$7.10B$2A4.13B$.A5.12B5.2A$.A.AB.12B6.A19.2A$2.2AB.12B3.BA.A18.A.A$4.
16B.B2A19.A11.A$4.18B20.2A9.3A$5.17B20.B9.A$5.16B19.3B9.2A10.2A$5.17B
16.6B5.5B10.A15.A9.A$6.18B11.10B3.4B9.BA.A15.3A5.3A$7.20B2.2B3.11B2.
6B4.3B.B2A19.A3.A$8.15BD15B2A3BD9B.7B20.2A.B.2A$9.7B.4BDBD15B2A2B2D
17B20.7B$9.6B2.4B3D18B2D17B23.3B$8.6B3.4BD21BD18B21.5B$8.4B6.26BD19B
19.6B$8.2B2AB12.4B.13B3.B.19B2.2B3.2B6.7B$6.2AB.2A14.4B4.B.7B7.13BD
22BEBE$5.A.AB18.4B19.6B.4BDBD22B2EB$5.A22.4B16.5B.B2.4B3D9B2A12BEB$4.
2A23.4B15.2A7.4BD11B2A16B$30.4B15.A8.27B2A4B$31.4B11.3A16.4B.3B.2B.7B
A2BA4B$32.4B10.A19.4B6.4B.B.2B2AB2.B2A$33.4B30.4B4.4B4.5B2.BA.A$34.4B
30.4B2.4B7.2B6.A$35.4B30.8B6.4B6.2A$36.4B30.6B7.2A$37.4B30.4B9.A$38.
4B28.6B5.3A$39.4B26.8B4.A$40.4B24.4B2.4B$41.4B22.4B4.4B$42.4B20.4B6.
4B$43.4B18.4B8.4B$44.4B16.4B10.4B$45.4B14.4B12.4B$46.4B12.4B14.4B$47.
4B10.4B16.4B$48.4B8.4B18.4B$49.4B6.4B20.4B$50.4B4.4B22.4B$51.4B2.4B
24.4B$52.8B5.2A19.4B$53.7B5.A21.4B$54.7B.BA.A22.4B$52.9B.B2A24.4B$49.
2B.11B27.4B$48.2A13B28.4B$48.2A13B29.3B$49.2B2.10B30.2B$54.3B2A4B.2B
28.B$54.3B2A6B2A$54.9B.B2A$54.10B.B$54.7B$53.A.5B$52.A.A3.4B$53.A6.2A
$60.A$61.3A$63.A!
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Re: Stable glider reflector

Postby dvgrn » August 17th, 2015, 12:18 pm

gmc_nxtman wrote:It has a bounding box of 95 x 74, and a recovery time of 600. (EDIT: Improved to 488)

That's a fairly decent recovery time, and only one eater2 away from being Spartan. The old Silver reflector has a better bounding box, though, and is easier to construct and just a little slower to recover.

At the bottom of this post is a similar smallish 90-degree reflector and a related G-to-H, also made possible by recently discovered converter conduits.
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Re: Stable glider reflector

Postby gmc_nxtman » August 17th, 2015, 9:49 pm

Pretty bad recovery of 656, yet two-directional and almospartan (contains a table on table and a dead-spark coil, but they're fairly easy to build)

x = 72, y = 94, rule = LifeHistory
18.A$16.3A$15.A$10.B4.2A$9.8B12.2A$2A5.8B13.B2AB$A6.9B13.2B$.3A.12B
13.2B3.B$3.A14B11.4B.B2A$4.15B8.8B2A$5.15B.2B2.6B2AB.B$4.27B2A$3.30B$
2.2AB2AB.28B$2.A3.A2.28B$3.3A4.26B2A$.A.A13.4B.14B2A$.2A15.4B.12B.B$
19.4B.11B$20.14B$21.14B$21.13B$21.13B$21.12B$21.8B.4B$21.9B.4B$21.10B
.4B$20.7B.4B.4B$19.8B2.4B.4B$18.8B4.4B.4B$17.9B5.4B.4B$16.4B.6B5.4B.
4B$15.4B.7B6.4B.4B$14.4B2.6B8.4B.4B$13.4B3.6B9.4B.4B$12.4B4.6B10.4B.
4B$11.4B4.8B10.4B.4B$10.4B6.8B10.4B.4B$9.4B6.9B11.4B.4B$8.4B7.9B12.4B
.4B$7.4B8.10B12.4B.4B$6.4B9.5B2A3B13.4B.4B$5.4B10.5B2A4B13.4B.4B$4.4B
11.11B14.4B.4B$3.4B12.12BA13.4B.4B$2.4B15.8B2.3A12.4B.4B4.2A$.4B16.7B
6.A12.4B.4B2.B2AB$4B17.6B6.2A13.4B.4B.4B$3B18.6B22.4B.4B.2B$2B19.7B
22.4B.6B$B18.8B24.4B.7B$19.8B25.14B$18.9B.B24.14B3.B$18.10B2A.2A21.3B
2A9B.B2A$17.3B.7B.A.2A20.3BA2BA10B2A$16.10B.B.A22.4BABA10B.B$16.10B2.
2A21.6BA10B$15.12B23.4B2.11B$15.11B23.4B5.8B$15.10B23.4B4.10B$14.8B
25.4B5.2A4.3B$14.8B24.4B7.A4.4B$13.10B22.4B5.3A6.4B$13.10B21.4B6.A7.B
2AB$11.13B19.4B16.2A$10.14B18.4B$10.15B16.4B$6.2B.17B14.4B$5.2A20B12.
4B$5.2A20B11.4B$6.2B.2AB.15B9.4B$9.2AB2.15B7.4B$13.10B2A5B5.4B$13.10B
2A5B4.4B$13.18B2.4B$12.12BA11B$12.11B2A10B$13.B.8BABA10B$14.22B$15.
20B2A$13.22B2A$13.2A.20B$14.A3.15B$11.3A5.9B.2B$11.A7.8B$21.5B$21.6B$
21.7B$22.2B.4B$20.4B2.4B$20.2A5.4B$21.A6.4B$18.3A8.4B$18.A11.4B!


Has anyone else used the tandem-glider idea before? It seems very difficult to synchronise herschels without using way too many transceivers... I think I might try Hersrch.
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Re: Stable glider reflector

Postby dvgrn » August 17th, 2015, 10:11 pm

gmc_nxtman wrote:Has anyone else used the tandem-glider idea before?

Yes. Did you follow the link at the bottom of my previous reply? Different tandem glider, but the same general idea.

Tandem gliders are also useful in the H-to-G(n) collection to make the second output lane adjustable in a Spartan or almost-Spartan way.

EDIT: Hmm, there's a very familiar-looking 490-tick reflector posted back when Guam's semi-Snark was first found. I think 488 ticks isn't actually quite workable, because of sparks from the collapsing beehive.

gmc_nxtman wrote:Pretty bad recovery of 656, yet two-directional and almospartan (contains a table on table and a dead-spark coil, but they're fairly easy to build)...

I remember experimenting with cleaning up the old Herschel receiver with Snarks, but maybe I didn't' try anything with the loaf2GtoG. Anyway it's always worth getting a new set of eyes on the problem -- you never know what might turn up.

You don't need the block-on-table there, by the way -- a nice simple boat will work just as well. And here again a repeat time of 656 doesn't quite work with that configuration. You can improve the repeat time to 643 ticks by moving the loaf2GtoG two cells to the northwest.
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Re: Stable glider reflector

Postby gmc_nxtman » September 6th, 2015, 11:56 pm

I guess this will turn into the My Patterns thread now, so here is a p240 heisenburp for edge-repair spaceships:

x = 92, y = 151, rule = B3/S23
85b2o$85b2o5$86bo$84b2ob2o2$83bo5bo2$73b3o7b2obob2o$73bobo$73b3o$73b3o
12bo$73b3o9bo2bo$73b3o12bo$73bobo8b2o$73b3o8bo$84bobo$85b2o3$85b2o3b2o
$85bo5bo$74b2o$73bo6bo5bo3bo$74b3o3bo6b3o$69b2o6bo3bo$69bobo5bo3bo$70b
o6bo3bo$77b2ob2o3$87b2o$87b2o$78b2o$76bo3bo$75bo5bo$74b2obo3bo$70bo4bo
5bo$69bobo4bo3bo7b2o$68bo3bo5b2o8bobo$69b3o18bo$67b2o3b2o16b2o4$79bobo
$74bo4bo2bo$38bo36b2o5b2o6b2o$36b3o31bo9bo3b2o4b2o$35bo34bo11b2o$34bob
o42bo2bo$34bobo42bobo$35bo$69b2o3b2o$31b3o35b2o2bob3o$73bo4bo$31bobo
35b4ob2o2bo$19b2o5b3o2bobo35bo2bobobob2o$19b2o51bobobobo$24b2o3bob3o
39b2obobo$24bo4bo47bo$24b2o2b2o$29bo9b2o22b2o$27b3o9bobo22bo7b2o$27b2o
12bo22bobo5b2o$41b2o22b2o3$22bob2o$20b3ob2o$19bo$20b3ob2o$22b2o2bo48b
2o$25bobo47bo$21bob2obobo16bo30b3o$21b2obo2bo15b3o32bo$24bo17bo$24b2o
16b2o$22b2o2bobo$21bo2bo2b2o$22b2o9$46bo$26b2o17bobo$25bobo17bobo$25bo
20bo$8bo15b2o23b3o$7bobo26b2o18b3o$6bob2o26b2o11bobo5bo$2o3b2ob2o42bo$
2o4bob2o43bobo$7bobo41bo2bob2o$8bo44b2obo2bo$21bo31b2o4bo$20b3o28bo5bo
$19b5o29b3o$2o16b2o3b2o31b3o$bo55b3o$bobo7b2o42b2o2bo$2b2o7b2o43bo$8b
2o6b2o4bo32b2o$7b3o5bo6bo32b2o$8b2o6b5o36b3o$11b2o$11b2o$3b2o53b2o$3b
2o53b2o$57b2o4$3bo17b2o$b2ob2o7b2o5bobo$14b2o6bo$o5bo6bo2$2obob2o3$6b
2o$5bobo8b3o$6bo8bo3bo$5b2o8bo3bo$5b3o8b3o$6b2o$4bo3$16b3o$5bo9bo3bo$
4b3o8bo3bo$3b5o8b3o$2b2o3b2o$3b5o$3bo3bo$4bobo$5bo3$5b2o$5b2o!


It could definitely be compacted. Any thoughts? (I think it's a simple contraption, but the concept of using a keeper might be new and I think it's pretty cool)
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Re: Stable glider reflector

Postby dvgrn » September 7th, 2015, 11:45 am

Those look suspiciously like p240 guns, not p144.

gmc_nxtman wrote:Any thoughts? (I think it's a simple contraption, but the concept of using a keeper might be new and I think it's pretty cool)

Nice! This is certainly a new unconventional alliance between Herschel technology, p240 guns, and edge-repair spaceships. The idea of keeping a still life at the edge of a spaceship lane has been around for a while.

It looks as if you could easily get rid of the Snark by putting the whole mechanism on one side of the spaceship lane:

x = 97, y = 117, rule = B3/S23
26bo17bo5b2o$25b2o15b3o4bo2bo$3bo5b2o13b2o4b2o9bo10bo$bo3bo3b3o11b3o4b
2o2b2o5b2o9bo$5bo5b2obo9b2o4b2o2b2o14bobo$o5bo4bo2bo10b2o12bo10bobo$2o
9b2obo11bo11b3o10bo$9b3o10bo14bo3bo$9b2o9bobo13bob3obo$21b2o14b5o6b2o
3b2o$48bo5bo2$29b3o17bo3bo$28bo3bo17b3o$33bo2$8bo2b2o4b2o2bo5bo2b3o$7b
o3b3o2b3o3bo5b3o$8bo2b2o4b2o2bo23bo$45b4o$46b4o$46bo2bo$46b4o$45b4o18b
2o$45bo21b2o5b2o$74b2o3$47bo5b2o17b2o$45b3o6bo17b2o$44bo9bobo21b2o$44b
2o9b2o21b2o$29b2o$30bo$30bob2o25bo2bo$31bo2bo21b2obo2b2o$32b2o22b2obo
4bo$47b2o7b2o$47b2o9bo4b2o$58b2ob2o3$56bo3b2o$55bobo3bo20bo$54bobo3bo
19b3o$50b2obobo3bo19bo$50b2obo2b4obo17b2o$54bobo3bobo$50b2ob2o2bo2bobo
$51bobo2b2o3bo$39b2o10bobo$39b2o11bo7$83bo$63b2o17bobo$62bobo17bobo$
62bo20bo$45bo15b2o23b3o$44bobo26b2o18b3o$43bob2o26b2o11bobo5bo$37b2o3b
2ob2o42bo$37b2o4bob2o43bobo$44bobo41bo2bob2o$45bo44b2obo2bo$58bo31b2o
4bo$57b3o28bo5bo$56b5o29b3o$37b2o16b2o3b2o31b3o$38bo55b3o$38bobo7b2o
42b2o2bo$39b2o7b2o43bo$45b2o6b2o4bo32b2o$44b3o5bo6bo32b2o$45b2o6b5o36b
3o$48b2o$48b2o$40b2o53b2o$40b2o53b2o$94b2o4$40bo17b2o$38b2ob2o7b2o5bob
o$51b2o6bo$37bo5bo6bo2$37b2obob2o3$43b2o$42bobo8b3o$43bo8bo3bo$42b2o8b
o3bo$42b3o8b3o$43b2o$41bo3$53b3o$42bo9bo3bo$41b3o8bo3bo$40b5o8b3o$39b
2o3b2o$40b5o$40bo3bo$41bobo$42bo3$42b2o$42b2o!

In general it's a very difficult problem to sort out what object or constellation can be placed in this way, that produces the largest number of useful reconstruction signals, or that can be reconstructed with the smallest number of gliders or Herschels:

x = 20, y = 26, rule = LifeHistory
2A4.A$A.A2.A.A$.2A2.A.A$6.A3.A$10.A6.A$9.A.A4.3A$16.3A$12.A$12.5A$12.
A3.2A$12.A3.3A$12.4A2.A$12.A2.A$14.2A2.A$14.3A2.A$15.A3.A$15.2A2.A$
17.A$17.A$15.A2.A$16.3A$18.A2$18.2A2$17.3A!

The above could be built into a stable circuit that would put out a glider every time an edge-repair spaceship went past, and then rebuild the beehive+ship constellation, without needing any guns or other periodic components. Recovery time would be relatively slow, but once the constellation is in position it could detect a passing spaceship with any timing -- no mod-240 limitations like the current model.

Of course there's the existential problem: where are all these edge-repair spaceships coming from, anyway? Until there's a mechanism to build them at unpredictable intervals, it's hard to explain exactly why we need a detector for them...!
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Re: Stable glider reflector

Postby gmc_nxtman » October 11th, 2015, 12:20 pm

Nice work on making it one-sided! I don't have the herschel skills to make a stable heisenburp based on the ship + hive constellation you posted, although I'm sure it's possible.

Here's my attempt at a LWSS-to-H, with a pretty bad recovery time of 616:

x = 99, y = 365, rule = LifeHistory
6.2B$4.5B$3.7B$3.8B$2.9B$.10B20.A12.3D$.E8B12.2A5.3A11.3BD$EBE8B10.B
2AB3.A13.3BD$EBE10B8.3B4.2A11.4B$BE14B2.2B2.B2.5B10.4B$.11BD15B11.4B$
.9BDBD14B2A9.4B$3.7B3D9B2E3B2A8.4B$3.7BD11B2E2B.B8.4B30.A11.2A$4.B2.
19B9.4B30.A.A9.B2AB$16.8B10.4B23.A3.2A2.A.A9.3B$16.8B9.4B5.2A7.2A7.A.
A2.A2.2A.2A9.B.B$16.9B7.4B5.A.A5.2B2AB6.A.A3.A.A2.B8.5B$17.7B7.4B4.3A
.A.AB2.4B8.A.4A2.AB2A6.6B$18.6B6.4B4.A5.2AB.7B8.A3.A.A.2A4.8B$17.6B6.
4B5.2A5.11B6.A2.BA.A2.13B$16.8B4.4B4.4B6.9B6.A.2BA.A5.13B$17.8B2.4B4.
3B5.12B6.2A.2BA5.15B$17.13B4.4B.16B10.3B4.15B$17.39B10.2B.B.17B$17.
13BD24B4.29B$17.13B3D23B2.4BD11B2E13B$16.14BDBD23B2.4B3D9B2E14B$14.
18BD24B.4BDBD20B3.B2A$14.22B2.2B3.21BD19B4.A2.A$13.20B13.22B2.2B2.B3.
6B5.2A.A$13.21B14.17B14.6B7.A$13.17B.4B13.15B14.6B3D6.2A$12.19B.4B11.
17B13.2A4.D3B$10.21B2.4B8.19B14.A5.D3B$10.21B3.4B6.19B12.3A7.4B$9.20B
6.4B6.10B.6B13.A10.4B$10.20B6.4B6.9B.6B18.2A5.4B6.2A$11.19B7.4B5.7B4.
4B20.A5.4B6.A$11.18B9.4B5.8B3.B22.A.AB.7B.BA.A$12.17B10.4B4.2B4.2A27.
2AB.7B.B2A$12.16B12.4B9.A30.5BE5B$13.14B14.4B9.3A27.4BEBE4B$14.13B15.
4B10.A27.4BEBE4B$17.11B15.4B35.2B3C2BE3B$18.9B17.4B33.3BC2BC4B$18.7B
20.4B32.3BC7B$19.4B23.4B31.3BC7B$20.4B23.4B28.2AB.2BCBC3B$21.4B23.4B
26.A.AB.10B$22.4B23.4B25.A4.6B2.2A$23.4B23.4B23.2A4.6B2.A$24.4B23.4B
28.5B4.3A$25.4B23.4B26.6B6.A$26.4B23.4B24.7B$27.4B23.4B22.8B$28.4B23.
4B20.9B$29.4B23.4B18.4B.5B$30.4B23.4B16.4B2.5B$31.4B23.4B14.4B3.5B$
32.4B23.4B12.4B4.5B$33.3BD23.4B10.4B5.5B$34.3BD23.4B8.4B6.5B$35.3DB
23.4B6.4B7.5B$36.4B23.4B4.4B8.5B$37.4B23.4B2.4B9.5B$38.4B23.8B10.5B$
39.4B23.6B11.5B$40.4B23.4B12.5B$41.4B21.6B11.5B$42.4B19.8B10.5B$43.4B
10.A6.4B2.4B9.5B$44.4B7.3A5.3DB4.4B8.5B$45.4B5.A7.3BD6.4B7.5B$46.4B4.
2A5.3BD8.4B6.5B$47.9B4.4B10.4B5.5B$48.6B5.4B12.4B4.5B$48.8B2.4B14.4B
3.5B$46.15B16.4B2.5B$46.14B18.4B.5B$46.13B20.9B$44.2AB.10B22.8B$43.A.
AB3.B2E3B25.7B$43.A6.B2E3B26.6B$42.2A6.4B29.5B$51.3B29.5B$52.2B.BA26.
6B$51.B2ABA.A25.7B$50.BABABA.A25.8B$48.A2.A.A.A.A.2A22.9B$48.4A.2A2.A
2.A22.5B.4B$52.A4.2A24.5B2.3BD$50.A.A30.5B3.3BD$50.2A31.5B4.3D$83.5B$
83.5B$83.5B$83.5B$83.5B$83.5B$83.5B$83.5B$83.5B$83.5B$83.5B$83.5B$83.
5B$83.5B$83.5B$83.5B$83.5B$83.5B$83.5B$83.5B$83.5B$83.5B$83.5B$83.5B$
83.5B$83.5B$83.5B$83.5B$83.5B$83.5B$83.5B$83.5B$83.5B$83.5B$83.5B$83.
5B$83.5B$83.5B$83.5B$83.5B$83.5B$83.5B$83.5B$83.5B$83.5B$83.5B$83.5B$
83.5B$83.5B$83.5B$83.5B$83.5B$83.5B$83.5B$83.5B$83.5B$83.5B$83.5B$83.
5B$83.5B$83.5B$83.5B$83.5B$83.5B$83.5B$83.5B$83.5B$83.5B$83.5B$83.5B$
83.5B$83.5B$83.5B$83.5B$83.5B$83.5B$83.5B$83.5B$83.5B$83.5B$83.5B$83.
5B$83.5B$83.5B$83.5B$83.5B$83.5B$83.5B$83.5B$83.5B$83.5B$83.5B$83.5B$
83.5B$83.5B$83.5B$83.5B$83.5B$83.5B$83.5B$83.5B$83.5B$83.5B$83.5B$83.
5B$83.5B$83.5B$83.5B$83.5B$83.5B$83.5B$83.5B$83.5B$83.5B$83.5B$83.5B$
83.5B$83.5B$83.5B$83.5B$83.5B$83.5B$83.5B$83.5B$83.5B$83.5B$83.5B$83.
5B$83.5B$83.5B$83.5B$83.5B$83.5B$83.5B$83.5B$83.5B$83.5B$83.5B$83.5B$
83.5B$83.5B$83.5B$83.5B$83.5B$83.5B$83.5B$83.5B$83.5B$83.5B$83.5B$83.
5B$83.5B$83.5B$83.5B$83.5B$83.5B$83.5B$83.5B$83.5B$83.5B$83.5B$83.5B$
83.5B$83.5B$83.5B$83.5B$83.5B$83.5B$83.5B$83.5B$83.5B$83.5B$83.5B$83.
5B$83.5B$83.5B$83.5B$83.5B$83.5B$83.5B$83.5B$83.5B$83.5B$83.5B$83.5B$
83.5B$83.5B$83.5B$83.5B$83.5B$83.5B$83.5B$83.5B$83.5B$83.5B$83.5B$83.
5B$83.5B$83.5B$83.5B$83.5B$83.5B$83.5B$83.5B$83.5B$83.5B$83.5B$83.5B$
83.5B$83.5B$83.5B$83.5B$83.5B$83.5B$83.5B$83.5B$83.5B$83.5B$83.5B$83.
5B$83.5B$83.5B$83.5B$83.5B$83.5B$83.5B$83.5B$83.5B$83.5B$83.5B$83.5B$
83.5B$83.5B$83.5B$83.5B$83.5B$83.5B$83.5B$83.5B$83.5B$83.5B$83.5B$83.
5B$83.5B$83.5B$83.5B$83.5B$83.5B$83.5B$83.5B$83.5B$83.5B$83.5B$83.5B$
83.5B$83.5B$83.5B$83.5B$83.5B$83.5B$83.5B$83.5B$83.5B$83.5B$83.5B$83.
5B$83.B3CB$83.BC2BC$83.BC3B$83.BCB$85.C.C!


Just the converter itself has a bounding box of 77x89:

x = 77, y = 89, rule = B3/S23
9bo$2o5b3o$2o4bo$6b2o3$5b2o$2o3b2o$2o46bo11b2o$47bobo10b2o$39bo3b2o2bo
bo$20b2o7b2o7bobo2bo2b2ob2o$19bobo7b2o7bobo3bobo$17b3obobo15bob4o2bob
2o$16bo5b2o17bo3bobob2o$16b2o22bo3bobo$39bo3bobo$39b2o3bo4$52b2o$52b2o
$67b2o$66bo2bo$67b2obo$70bo$70b2o$55b2o$56bo$53b3o$53bo$58b2o15b2o$59b
o15bo$59bobo11bobo$31b2o27b2o11b2o$31bo35bo$32b3o31bobo$34bo31bobo$62b
3o2bo$62bo2bo$62bo$62bo$57b2o4bobo$56bobo$56bo12b2o$55b2o12bo$70b3o$
72bo18$35bo$33b3o$32bo$32b2o7$22b2o$21bobo5b2o$21bo7b2o$20b2o2$34bo$
30b2obobo$29bobobobo$26bo2bobobobob2o$26b4ob2o2bo2bo$30bo4b2o$28bobo$
28b2o!


Technically it has a recovery time of 616, but due to the weird orientation things, the wait before another LWSS can come in is actually 632 ticks.
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Re: Stable glider reflector

Postby codeholic » October 11th, 2015, 2:52 pm

gmc_nxtman wrote:Here's my attempt at a LWSS-to-H, with a pretty bad recovery time of 616:

Very good reaction! Did you find it yourself? Have you tried Bellman on it?
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Re: Stable glider reflector

Postby Scorbie » October 11th, 2015, 3:01 pm

I did a similar search along these lines, but didn't get any good results. I tried ptbsearch (with ptblist) up to 4~5 spartan catalysts. Only searched for hives, though.
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Re: Stable glider reflector

Postby M. I. Wright » October 11th, 2015, 3:12 pm

codeholic wrote:
gmc_nxtman wrote:Here's my attempt at a LWSS-to-H, with a pretty bad recovery time of 616:

Very good reaction! Did you find it yourself? Have you tried Bellman on it?

Scorbie found it here. The closest call I've seen besides it is Kazyan's, although it's nowhere near as complete as the former.
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Re: Stable glider reflector

Postby dvgrn » October 11th, 2015, 5:16 pm

M. I. Wright wrote:
codeholic wrote:
gmc_nxtman wrote:Here's my attempt at a LWSS-to-H, with a pretty bad recovery time of 616:

Very good reaction! Did you find it yourself? Have you tried Bellman on it?

Scorbie found it here.

It looks to me like this could be improved quite a bit, by connecting an H-to-2G to the syringe, bouncing one of the gliders back to do the cleanup, and optionally adding another syringe to the remaining glider output to get a Herschel back again.

The recovery time to beat is 508 ticks -- Gustavo's LWSS->G will be able to manage that, once he finally gets around to putting the pieces together, and of course LWSS->H is just an additional syringe.
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Re: Stable glider reflector

Postby Scorbie » October 11th, 2015, 9:58 pm

In M.I.Wright's link to my post, the eater can be replaced to a block, which destroys the block but outputs a free B. Not so promising as the thing above, I guess.
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Re: Stable glider reflector

Postby M. I. Wright » October 11th, 2015, 10:13 pm

How about this? Could a catalyst replace the block?
x = 24, y = 22, rule = LifeHistory
A$3A$3.A$2.2A$15.2A$15.A$13.A.A$13.2A$5.2A$4.A2.A$5.2A$20.A2.A$19.A$
19.A3.A$19.4A$2.2A$3.A$3A$A4.2A5.2A$4.A.A5.2A$4.A$3.2A!
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Re: Stable glider reflector

Postby thunk » October 11th, 2015, 10:45 pm

Bad 496-tick "improvement" of gmc-nxtman's original.

x = 349, y = 95, rule = LifeHistory
17$228.2E$212.2E14.E$201.2E8.B2EB10.BE.E$199.2B2EB7.4B7.2B.B2E46.A11.
2A$199.4B8.4B6.5B47.A.A9.B2AB$192.2E5.6B5.5B4.7B4.2E33.A3.2A2.A.A9.3B
$191.B2EB2.2B.8B.7B3.7B5.E32.A.A2.A2.2A.2A9.B.B$192.2B2.22B.7B2.3E33.
A.A3.A.A2.B8.5B$193.35BE36.A.4A2.AB2A6.6B$191.36B40.A3.A.A.2A4.8B$
190.2B2E32B40.A2.BA.A2.13B$189.3B2E32B35.A3.A.2BA.A5.13B$190.10B2.23B
.B.2E3.2E24.3A3.2A.2BA.19B$190.10B.27BE.E.E.E23.A10.5B2.15B$189.7B.B
3.26B.B.E.E25.2A10.4B.17B$189.6B.2B4.B3.23B2E.2E21.5B3.29B$190.9B2.3B
3.21B.B23.5B4.4BD11B2A13B$190.8B3.B2EB3.20B25.7B2.4B3D9B2A14B$189.8B
5.2E5.4B.13B25.9B.4BDBD20B3.B2A$180.A8.7B14.4B.11B27.15BD19B4.A2.A$
180.3A6.6B16.18B23.20B2.2B2.B3.6B5.2A.A$172.3B8.A4.2B3D2B17.18B21.18B
14.6B7.A$172.4B6.2A4.4BD2B18.17B20.17B14.9B6.2A$173.4B5.4B.4B3DB19.
16B19.17B15.2A4.4B$174.4B6.11B20.6B.8B18.18B16.A5.4B$175.4B4.12B21.4B
3.7B18.11B.8B11.3A7.4B$176.4B3.12B22.4B2.7B18.11B3.B3.2A11.A10.3B$
177.4B2.11B24.4B2.6B17.12B7.A24.2B.B$178.4B2.7B28.4B.7B15.13B8.3A22.B
.2B$179.4B.8B28.12B11.2B.13B10.A24.3B$180.13B28.12B9.3B.15B33.4B$181.
13B28.12B7.4B.17B32.4B$181.13B.B27.7B.31B2A32.4B$180.15B2A27.7B.5BD
22B.BA.A32.4B10.2A$180.15B2A28.6B2.4B3D20B4.A33.4B9.A$180.16B23.2E4.
7B.4BDBD21B3.2A33.4B10.A$178.2AB.9B2.5B20.BE.E2B.14BD22B31.2A5.4B5.5A
$177.A.AB2.7B6.2A20.2B2E21B2.2B2.14B31.A5.4B4.A$177.A6.4B8.A19.2EB.
21B9.8B2.4B30.A.AB.7B2.B3A$176.2A7.2B10.3A15.E.EB4.18B9.7B4.4B30.2AB.
7B3.2B.A$185.4B10.A15.E9.14B.B2E8.5B6.4B31.12B4A$187.2A25.2E7.5B.10B.
BE.E8.6B5.4B30.7B2A3BAB2.2A$187.A35.2E6.7B5.E12.2A6.4B6.C22.7B2A2B.B
3A2.A$188.3A33.E8.4B6.2E11.A8.4B5.3C20.10B3.B.A.2A$190.A30.3E33.3A6.
4B7.C18.8B8.A$221.E37.A7.4B5.2C10.C6.9B7.2A$268.2B.D4.5B5.3C5.4B2.3B$
272.D3.4B.B3.C7.4B3.5B$30.79B161.3D4.2B.B4.2C6.3B7.2A$30.4C75B168.B4C
5B4.B.2B8.A$29.C3BC75B168.C2.BC3B5.2D.B10.3A$31.2BC75B168.4BC5B2.DBD.
B12.A$29.C.BC76B167.BC2BC10BD.B$276.6B2C7B$276.5BC2BC5B$276.6B2C5B$
274.2CB.9B$273.C.CB4.6B$273.C8.3B$272.2C8.5B$285.2C$285.C$286.3C$288.
C!


Inconveniently, the Lx231 was the only conduit that didn't intrude on the LWSS path at 496 ticks. Increased compactness is available at the cost of 8n recovery time, for some small n.
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Re: Stable glider reflector

Postby chris_c » October 12th, 2015, 7:41 am

thunk wrote:Bad 496-tick "improvement" of gmc-nxtman's original.

Inconveniently, the Lx231 was the only conduit that didn't intrude on the LWSS path at 496 ticks. Increased compactness is available at the cost of 8n recovery time, for some small n.


This relatively recent H-G also allows a 496 repeat time:

x = 94, y = 61, rule = LifeHistory
52.A11.2A$51.A.A9.B2AB$43.A3.2A2.A.A9.3B$42.A.A2.A2.2A.2A9.B.B$42.A.A
3.A.A2.B8.5B$43.A.4A2.AB2A6.6B$45.A3.A.A.2A4.8B$44.A2.BA.A2.13B$39.A
3.A.2BA.A5.13B$37.3A3.2A.2BA5.15B$36.A10.3B4.15B$36.2A10.2B.B.17B$33.
5B3.29B$31.5B4.16B2A13B$31.7B2.16B2A14B$30.9B.27B3.B2A$31.35B4.A2.A$
30.20B2.2B2.B3.6B5.2A.A$B28.18B14.6B7.A$2B26.17B14.9B6.2A$3B24.17B15.
2A4.4B$4B22.18B16.A5.4B$.4B20.12B.8B11.3A7.4B$2.4B18.13B3.B3.2A11.A
10.4B$3.4B16.14B7.A24.4B$4.4B14.15B8.3A22.4B$5.4B12.16B10.A23.4B$6.4B
10.19B33.4B$7.4B8.4B.17B32.4B$8.32B2A32.4B$2A7.29B.BA.A32.4B10.2A$A.A
6.29B4.A33.4B9.A$2.A4.32B3.2A33.4B10.A$2.2A.35B31.2A5.4B5.5A$4.2B2A
13B2.2B2.14B31.A5.4B4.A$4.BABA10B10.8B2.4B30.A.AB.7B2.B3A$4.BA2B.7B
12.7B4.4B30.2AB.7B3.2B.A$2.A3.A2.7B13.5B6.4B31.12B4A$2.4A3.7B14.6B5.
4B30.7B2A3BAB2.2A$9.3B.B.B2A16.2A6.4B6.A22.7B2A2B.B3A2.A$2.2A11.BA.A
15.A8.4B5.3A20.10B3.B.A.2A$2.2A14.A16.3A6.4B7.A18.8B8.A$18.2A17.A7.4B
5.2A10.A6.9B7.2A$46.4B4.5B5.3A5.4B2.3B$47.4B5.4B3.A7.4B3.5B$C2BC56B3.
2A5.4B7.2A$4BC60B4.4B8.A$C3BC58B5.4B10.3A$B4C60B2.4B13.A$70B$52.8B2A
7B$54.5BA2BA5B$54.6B2A5B$52.2AB.9B$51.A.AB4.6B$51.A8.3B$50.2A8.5B$63.
2A$63.A$64.3A$66.A!
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Re: Stable glider reflector

Postby dvgrn » October 12th, 2015, 8:33 am

chris_c wrote:This relatively recent H-G also allows a 496 repeat time...

Nice! Under 500 ticks is quite an impressive milestone.

I think a different H-to-2G will be needed to beat the bounding box as well as the repeat time of Gustavo's equally impressive 508-tick 65x73 LWSS->G.

I'm still betting that eventually a single-stage direct LWSS->G will be found that blows both of these out of the water -- but that doesn't mean that I know where to look for it!

EDIT: Meanwhile, I can't resist the incredible opportunity for corollary-sniping here. A trivial rearrangement solves the whole problem with the output conduit getting in the way of the input, and also improves the repeat time quite a bit more. Here's a very small LWSS-to-H with 444-tick recovery:

x = 284, y = 75, rule = LifeHistory
247.2A$246.A2.A$247.2A4$246.8B$246.9B$246.9B$246.9B$246.5B3DB$246.6BD
2B$247.3B3D2B$249.6B$249.7B$249.8B$250.8B$250.9B$249.6B.4B$249.12B$
250.12B$250.13B$249.15B$247.18B$246.18BAB$245.20B2A.B$245.19B2A5B$
245.25BA$245.25BAB$243.2AB.23BAB$242.A.AB2.24B$242.A6.21B.B2A$241.2A
6.8B5.8B.BA.A$248.4B2.3B4.8B5.A$247.4B2.3B5.7B6.2A$246.4B3.2AB4.11B$
231.A13.4B5.A6.11B$231.3A10.4B3.3A7.11B7.2A$234.A8.4B4.A9.11B2.2A2.A
2.A$233.2A7.4B13.2AB2.8B2.A.A2.2A$233.5B3.4B13.A.AB3.7B3.B.2A$235.3B
2.4B14.A6.7B2.2B2.A$225.2A7.9B14.2A7.6B.2BAB.A.2A$225.A8.8B24.8BA.A.
2A.A$222.2A.A.B3.10B25.8B.A.A$222.A2.3AB.2B2A7B26.5B4.A2.2A$223.2A2.B
A3B2A7B26.6B4.2A.3A$225.4A12B25.6B6.B4.A$225.A.2B3.7B.B2A23.7B3.B2AB
3A$226.3AB2.7B.BA.A23.8B.B2A.A$229.A4.4B5.A23.10B$224.5A5.4B5.2A21.3B
2A6B$224.A10.4B21.2A5.2B2A6B$226.A9.4B6.A11.A2.A5.10B$225.2A10.2BAB5.
3A9.2A.A.AB2.11B$238.2B2A7.A10.A.2AB.12B$239.2A2B5.2A10.A3.15B$240.4B
4.5B5.3A3.16B$241.4B5.2BAB3.A6.16B.2B$C2BCB217.C2BC25BABA3.2A5.18B2A$
4BC217.4BC23BABA6B4.17B.B2A$C3BC217.C3BC23B2A5B5.4B2.8B.4B.B$B4C217.B
4C32B2.4B4.7B$5B217.42B5.6B$246.8B2A7B6.4B$248.5BA2BA5B5.A3B$248.6B2A
5B5.A.AB$246.2AB.10B6.A.A$245.A.AB4.6B8.A$245.A8.4B6.3A$244.2A7.6B5.A
$253.3B.2A$257.A$258.3A$260.A!

I'm not even sure how to measure the bounding box of this one. If the output Herschel is included, it's still only 62x65. The actual catalysts fit inside 62x46 (!).
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Re: Stable glider reflector

Postby chris_c » October 12th, 2015, 11:53 am

dvgrn wrote:Meanwhile, I can't resist the incredible opportunity for corollary-sniping here


Neither can I. Here's a smaller LWSS->G with repeat time 442 and an even smaller one with repeat time 469 (sorry Gustavo) EDIT and smaller again with repeat time 448 in the third box:

x = 69, y = 62, rule = LifeHistory
10.2A20.4B$9.B2A2B17.4B$10.4B16.4B$8.6B15.4B10.A$8.5B15.4B11.3A$7.6B
14.4B15.A14.A$6.7B13.4B15.2A12.3A$7.6B12.4B4.B.7B3.3B.2B7.A$7.7B10.4B
.13B5.5B6.2A$7.6B4.36B2.5B$7.7B2.42B$7.7B2.41B2A$6.9B.22B2A17B2A$6.
32B2A16B.B$.B4.20B2.2B3.23B$2AB.19B11.10B2.9B$2A19B16.6B3.8B$.B.17B
19.3B4.7B$4.17B20.B3.11B$4.17B20.2A2.12B$4.15B.B2A19.A2.12B7.2A$4.12B
4.BA.A16.A5.11B2.2A2.A2.A$3.11B9.A16.2A2.4B.8B2.A.A2.2A$2.13B8.2A19.
2A4.7B3.B.2A$3.12B30.A4.7B2.2B2.A$4.10B28.3A6.6B.2BAB.A.2A$4.9B29.A8.
8BA.A.2A.A$4.9B38.8B.A.A$4.9B39.5B4.A2.2A$7.5B40.6B4.2A.3A$8.4B39.6B
6.B4.A$8.4B39.7B3.B2AB3A$9.4B39.8B.B2A.A$10.4B38.10B$11.4B36.3B2A6B$
12.4B29.2A5.2B2A6B$13.4B29.A5.10B$14.4B28.A.AB2.11B$15.4B28.2AB.12B$
16.4B29.15B$17.4B6.A21.16B$18.4B5.3A19.16B.2B$19.4B7.A18.18B2A$20.4B
5.2A10.A6.17B.B2A$21.4B4.5B5.3A5.4B2.8B.4B.B$22.4B5.4B3.A7.4B4.7B$BC
2BC30B3.2A5.4B5.6B$5BC34B4.4B6.4B$BC3BC32B5.4B5.A3B$2B4C34B2.4B5.A.AB
$45B6.A.A$27.8B2A7B8.A$29.5BA2BA5B6.3A$29.6B2A5B7.A$27.2AB.9B$26.A.AB
4.6B$26.A8.3B$25.2A8.5B$38.2A$38.A$39.3A$41.A!



x = 73, y = 57, rule = LifeHistory
33.4B10.A$7.2A23.4B11.3A$8.A22.4B15.A14.A$8.A.AB18.4B15.2A12.3A$9.2AB
.2A14.4B4.B.7B3.3B.2B7.A$11.2B2AB12.4B.13B5.5B6.2A$11.4B6.36B2.5B$11.
6B3.42B$12.6B2.41B2A$12.7B.22B2A17B2A$11.31B2A16B.B$10.20B2.2B3.23B$
2A8.17B11.10B2.9B$.A7.16B16.6B3.8B$.A.AB2.17B19.3B4.7B$2.2AB.19B20.B
3.11B$4.21B20.2A2.12B$4.13B3.3B.B2A19.A2.12B7.2A$5.13B6.BA.A16.A5.11B
2.2A2.A2.A$3.16B8.A16.2A2.4B.8B2.A.A2.2A$3.2A2.12B8.2A19.2A4.7B3.B.2A
$4.A2.12B30.A4.7B2.2B2.A$.3A3.10B.B2A25.3A6.6B.2BAB.A.2A$.A4.11B.BA.A
24.A8.8BA.A.2A.A$6.11B4.A33.8B.A.A$4.2AB.10B3.2A33.5B4.A2.2A$3.A.AB.
10B38.6B4.2A.3A$3.A5.10B36.6B6.B4.A$2.2A5.5B2.4B35.7B3.B2AB3A$10.4B3.
4B35.8B.B2A.A$18.4B34.10B$19.4B32.3B2A6B$20.4B25.2A5.2B2A6B$21.4B25.A
5.10B$22.4B24.A.AB2.11B$23.4B6.A17.2AB.12B$24.4B5.3A17.15B$25.4B7.A
16.16B$26.4B5.2A10.A5.16B.2B$27.4B4.5B5.3A5.18B2A$28.4B5.4B3.A7.17B.B
2A$BC2BC36B3.2A5.4B2.8B.4B.B$5BC40B4.4B4.7B$BC3BC38B5.4B5.6B$2B4C40B
2.4B6.4B$51B5.A3B$33.8B2A7B5.A.AB$35.5BA2BA5B6.A.A$35.6B2A5B8.A$33.2A
B.9B7.3A$32.A.AB4.6B7.A$32.A8.3B$31.2A8.5B$44.2A$44.A$45.3A$47.A!


x = 68, y = 59, rule = LifeHistory
9.2A20.4B$9.A2.A.A15.4B$11.2A.3A12.4B$12.B4.A10.4B10.A$2A9.2AB3A10.4B
11.3A$.A9.2A.A11.4B15.A14.A$.A.AB3.5B12.4B15.2A12.3A$2.2AB.5B13.4B4.B
.7B3.3B.2B7.A$4.8B11.4B.13B5.5B6.2A$4.8B4.36B2.5B$4.9B2.42B$5.8B2.41B
2A$4.10B.22B2A17B2A$2.2B.32B2A16B.B$.2A22B2.2B3.23B$.2A19B11.10B2.9B$
2.B.16B16.6B3.8B$4.15B19.3B4.7B$3.17B20.B3.11B$3.17B20.2A2.12B$4.10B.
3B.B2A19.A2.12B7.2A$5.9B5.BA.A16.A5.11B2.2A2.A2.A$5.8B9.A16.2A2.4B.8B
2.A.A2.2A$4.10B8.2A19.2A4.7B3.B.2A$2.B.10B30.A4.7B2.2B2.A$.2A10B28.3A
6.6B.2BAB.A.2A$.2A9B29.A8.8BA.A.2A.A$2.11B37.8B.A.A$2.12B37.5B4.A2.2A
$4.B.9B36.6B4.2A.3A$7.4B.4B34.6B6.B4.A$7.3B3.4B33.7B3.B2AB3A$8.4B2.4B
33.8B.B2A.A$10.2A3.4B32.10B$10.A5.4B30.3B2A6B$11.3A3.4B23.2A5.2B2A6B$
13.A4.4B23.A5.10B$19.4B6.A15.A.AB2.11B$20.4B5.3A14.2AB.12B$21.4B7.A
15.15B$22.4B5.2A10.A4.16B$23.4B4.5B5.3A4.16B.2B$24.4B5.4B3.A7.18B2A$B
C2BC32B3.2A5.17B.B2A$5BC36B4.4B2.8B.4B.B$BC3BC34B5.4B4.7B$2B4C36B2.4B
5.6B$47B6.4B$29.8B2A7B5.A3B$31.5BA2BA5B5.A.AB$31.6B2A5B6.A.A$29.2AB.
9B9.A$28.A.AB4.6B6.3A$28.A8.3B8.A$27.2A8.5B$40.2A$40.A$41.3A$43.A!
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Re: Stable glider reflector

Postby Gustavo6046 » October 12th, 2015, 3:01 pm

People here are using many different G-to-Hs. I only know the syringe. These G-to-Hs often leave some junk.
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Re: Stable glider reflector

Postby gmc_nxtman » October 12th, 2015, 4:35 pm

Gustavo6046 wrote:People here are using many different G-to-Hs. I only know the syringe. These G-to-Hs often leave some junk.


The only G-to-Hs I see in this thread are syringes..?

If you mean the first ones in the thread, (like the one that creates a surplus beehive) that was discovered a very long time ago, and was the basis of many stable reflectors until the syringe and the snark came up.
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Re: Stable glider reflector

Postby Gustavo6046 » October 12th, 2015, 4:48 pm

I didn't understood how I set the -h in Hersrch and got tons of non-related conduits!
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Re: Stable glider reflector

Postby Gustavo6046 » October 12th, 2015, 6:32 pm

Oops, I meant -d, but my next focus:
x = 19, y = 24, rule = LifeHistory
12.2A$12.2A14$2.E$E3.E$5.E$E4.E8.2C$.5E8.C3.C$15.4C2$17.2C$17.2C!

Any Hersrch input that would search for a H-to-H that hould lead to a H-to-( block-on-long-bookend)?
There is also this starter piece for conduits:
x = 25, y = 28, rule = LifeHistory
20.A$19.A.A$19.A.A$18.2A.3A$24.A$18.2A.3A$18.2A.A12$14.3E$3.A.2A8.E$.
3A.2A6.3E$A$.3A.2A$3.A.A$3.A.A12.2A$4.A13.A$19.3A$21.A!
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Re: Stable glider reflector

Postby calcyman » October 12th, 2015, 8:12 pm

A shorter recovery time may be possible using a staged-recovery system. For instance, if you could pipe off the bhepto to produce the requisite glider, this would work:

x = 52, y = 61, rule = LifeHistory
32.2A$31.A.A$25.2A4.A$23.A2.A2.2A.4A$23.2A.A.A.A.A2.A$26.A.ABABAB$26.
A.AB2AB$27.AB.2B$30.3B$30.4B6.2A$28.3B2AB6.A$28.3B2AB3.BA.A$26.10B.B
2A$9.D15.13B$8.3D13.14B$.2A4.D2B2D11.15B$2.A4.6B9.4B2.8B$2.A.AB.6B8.
4B5.6B$3.2AB.7B6.4B4.9B$5.8B6.4B5.2A4.4B$6.7B5.4B7.A5.4B$6.7B4.4B5.3A
7.4B$2.B4.7B2.4B6.A10.4B$.A2B.B.6B2.6B17.4B$A.A19B17.4B$.AB.3B2C12B
12.2A5.4B6.2A$4.3B2C11B14.A5.4B6.A$4.15B15.A.AB.7B.BA.A$5.13B17.2AB.
7B.B2A$3.3B2C9B20.5BA5B$3.3B2C10B19.4BABA4B$2.2A14B.2B16.4BABA4B$2.2A
16B2A13.7BA3B$3.15B.B2A12.11B$5.13B2.B13.11B$5.14B15.11B$7.12B13.2AB.
8B$7.2B2A9B11.A.AB.10B$8.B2A5B.4B10.A4.6B2.2A$8.9B.4B7.3A4.6B2.A$8.9B
2.4B5.A7.5B4.3A$6.2A.8B3.4B4.2A5.6B6.A$6.A2.6B6.9B4.7B$4.A.A3.5B7.6B
5.8B$4.2A3.6B7.8B2.9B$10.4B6.15B.5B$11.2B7.14B$12.2B6.13B$11.B2AB3.2A
B.10B$12.2A3.A.AB3.B2A3B$17.A6.B2A3B$16.2A6.4B$25.3B$26.2B.BA$25.B2AB
A.A$24.BABABA.A$22.A2.A.A.A.2A4.3CB$20.6A.2A2.A5.C2BC$19.A6.A4.A5.C3B
$19.2A2.2A.A.3A6.C3B$23.A.2A.A8.BCBC!
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Re: Stable glider reflector

Postby codeholic » October 14th, 2015, 1:34 pm

M. I. Wright wrote:
codeholic wrote:Very good reaction! Did you find it yourself? Have you tried Bellman on it?

Scorbie found it here.

Here you are:
x = 26, y = 24, rule = B3/S23
7b2o15b2o$4bo3bo15bo$3bobo2bobo11bobo$3bobo3b2o11b2o$b3ob2o9bo$o14bobo
$b3ob2o8bobo$3bob2o9bo3$2o2b2o$o2bobo$bobo$2ob2o13b2o$3bo14bo$3bobo13b
3o$4b2o15bo3$11b3o$11bo2bo$11bo$11bo$12bobo!

Repeat time is 58.
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Re: Stable glider reflector

Postby thunk » October 14th, 2015, 1:47 pm

Hooray, now we just need the fast HWSS-->G for the full set.
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Re: Stable glider reflector

Postby dvgrn » October 14th, 2015, 2:17 pm

thunk wrote:Hooray, now we just need the fast HWSS-->G for the full set.

I hadn't noticed before that the LWSS->G mechanism accepts MWSSes perfectly happily. So now there are small fast 45-degree and 135-degree MWSS->G converters.

-- Uh-oh. If a direct H-to-LWSS or H-to-MWSS is found, quite possibly a fair fraction of the gun collection will suddenly be obsolete again (because orthogonal signals fit so much better into long thin minimum-area bounding boxes)... Ah, well, time enough to burn that bridge if we come to it.

Seems as if HWSSes are energetic enough that they should be easier to handle than the other two, if anything.
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