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Re: Thread For Synthesisable Spaceship Guns

Postby The Turtle » August 10th, 2015, 7:31 pm

Why?
x = 629, y = 537, rule = B3/S23
174b2o$174b2o5$174bo$172b2ob2o2$171bo5bo2$171b2obob2o3$196bobo2b2o$
181b2o12bo3bob3o$181b2o13bo6b2o$197b5obo$166bo33b2o2bo$165bobo13bobo3b
obo13b2o$163b2o3bo14bo3bo12b3obo$158b2o3b2o3bo10bo11bo5b4o$158b2o3b2o
3bo9bo3bo5bo3bo3bo11b2o$165bobo11bo11bo3bo3bob2o5b2o$166bo16bo3bo8bobo
2b2o$181bobo3bobo3$192b2o$192b2o3$201b2o$200bobo$181bo19bo$179b3o$178b
o$177bobo15b2o$177bobo15b2o$178bo31b2o$202b2o4bo2bo150b2o$202bobo157b
2o$204bo2bo$189b2o13b2o$162b2o26bo17b2o$162b2o23b3o6b2o12bo151b3o$187b
o8b2o164b3o$361bo3bo$207b2o3b2o146bo5bo$182b2o23b2o3b2o147bo3bo$182bob
o23b5o149b3o$184bo24bobo$175b2o7b2o44bo$175b2o32b3o18b2o$217b2o9bob3o
106bo$165bob2o48b2o13b2o104b2o15b2o$163b3ob2o62b2o104b2o16b2o$162bo42b
o25bo106b2o2b2o$163b3ob2o36bobo161b2o$165b2o2bo38b2o10bo10bo120bo15bob
o$168bobo23b2o12b2o9bob2o8b2o117b5o12bo6b2o$164bob2obobo22b2o12b2o8b3o
b2o8b2o10b2o92b2o2b2o5b2obo2bo11bo2bo2bo2bob2o$164b2obo2bo34bobo11bo2b
o5bob3o11b2o82b2o7b2o9bo7bo10bo6b2o2b2o$167bo37bo14b2o8b2o96b2o8b2o9b
2obo2bo12bobo$167b2o22b2o37bo108bo10b5o14b2o$165b2o2bobo19bo160bo$164b
o2bo2b2o17bobo$141bo18bo4b2o22b2ob2o34b2o$67b2o72b3o6b2o6b3o31bobo33b
2o114b2o$68bo75bo5b2o5bo34bobo57b2o90b2o$68bobo72b2o12b2o10b2o20b2ob2o
56b2o$69b2o99bo24bo41b2o$170bobo18b2obo41bobo96b2o$156b2o13b2o18b2obob
o40bo97bobo$151b2o3b2o37b2o19bo108b2o9bo19bo$151b2o61b3o108b2o29b3o$
213bo145bo$68b2o101b2o39bobo18b2o106b2o15bobo$68b2o4b2o94bo2bo38bobo
14bo3b2o106b2o15bobo$74b2o86bo8bobo39bo16b2o6b2o119bo$160b3o9bo56b2o7b
obo10b3o80b2o$159bo80bo9bo3bo78bobo$159b2o64b2o13b2o7bo5bo77bo$73b2o
151bo23bo3bo70b3o4b2o13b2o$69b2o2b2o122b2o24b3o6b2o17b3o5b2o2b2o4bo2b
2o50bo3bo18bo26b2o$21b2o45bobo126b2o24bo8b2o17b3o5b2ob2o6b2obo49bo5bo
10b2o6b3o23b2o$21b2o45bo12b2o180bobo6bo50b2obob2o10b2o8bo$67b2o11bobo
164b2o15b2o4b3o42bo2bo$80bo165bobo56b3o7bo$44b2o11bo21b2o96b2o38b2o26b
o6b2o10b2o4b3o18b2o11bo4bo9bo6bo27b2o$20b3o21b2o10bobo118b2o38bobo16b
2o7bo2bo2bo2bo8bobo6bo18b2o10bo5bo8b2o5bobo25bobo$20b3o33bobo2b2o3bo
152bo16b2o7bo6b2o8b2o6b2obo12b2o16bo8bo11bobo25bo$19bo3bo31b2ob2o2bo2b
obo118b2o22b2o7b2o25bobo14b2o4bo2b2o12b2o17b2o8b2o9bo3b2o20b2o7b2o$18b
o5bo34bobo3bobo118bo23b2o35b2o81b3o28b2o$19bo3bo31b2obo2b4obo120b3o
115b2o8b2o8b2o5b2obo$20b3o32b2obobo3bo124bo10bob2o100bo8bo3bo6bo2bo4bo
2bo5b2o26b2obo$59bobo3bo4bo109b2o16b3ob2o99bo5bo4bo2bo7b2o5b2obo5b2o
26b2ob3o$60bobo3bo3b3o5bo102bo15bo72b2o32bo4bo4bo2bo12b3o42bo$9bobo49b
o3b2o6bo3bobo100bo17b3ob2o66b2o33b3o7b2o13b2o37b2ob3o$7bo3bo60b2o3bo2b
o99b2o18b2o2bo163bo2b2o$7bo70b2o123bobo161bobo$2o4bo4bo187bob2obobo72b
2o85bobob2obo$2o5bo44b2o145b2obo2bo72bobo26b2o58bo2bob2o$7bo3bo40b2o
148bo56bo19bo27b2o61bo$9bobo25b2o50b2o111b2o22b2o29b3o85b2o22b2o$36bo
2bo49b2o109b2o2bobo19bo29bo89bo19bobo2b2o$35bob2o160bo2bo2b2o17bobo28b
obo40b2o46bobo17b2o2bo2bo55b2o$35bo60bob2o2b2o72bo18bo4b2o22b2ob2o26bo
bo17b2o21bobo43b2ob2o22b2o4bo18bo30bo2bo$15b2o17b2o60b2obo3bo72b3o6b2o
6b3o31bobo26bo18b2o22bo19bo23bobo31b3o6b2o6b3o38b3o$15b2o32b2o52bobo
73bo5b2o5bo34bobo50b2o37b3o21bobo34bo5b2o5bo38bobo3bo$49bo54b2o72b2o
12b2o10b2o20b2ob2o49bobo39bo19b2ob2o20b2o10b2o12b2o14bo17b2o3bobo3bo$
50b3o152bo24bo51bo38bobo18bo24bo41b3o24b2o$52bo152bobo18b2obo37b2o13b
2o18b2o17bobo19bob2o18bobo44bo18bo3bo$92b2o97b2o13b2o18b2obobo8b2o26bo
33b2o18bo18bobob2o18b2o13b2o29b2o6b2o$45b2o45bobo91b2o3b2o37b2o8b2o23b
3o6b2o21b2o42b2o37b2o3b2o31bobo$45bo48bo91b2o77bo8b2o20bobo86b2o32bo$
43bobo20b2o26b2o7b2o191bo132b2o5b2o$43b2o22bo35b2o4b2o95b2o87b2o13b2o
53b2o46b2o$64b3o3bob2o35b2o94bo2bo51b2o48bo26b2o25bo2bo38b2o5b2o13bo9b
o$28b2o34bo2b4ob2o123bo8bobo51bobo40b2o6b3o23b2o25bobo8bo30b2o20bo3bob
o3bo$15b3o3b3o4b2o37bo127b3o9bo54bo40b2o8bo51bo9b3o50bo3bobo3bo$14bo3b
obo3bo43b3ob2o120bo58b2o7b2o114bo50bobo3bobo$13bo3b2ob2o3bo11b2o31b2o
2bo33b2o84b2o57b2o122b2o44b2o5bo5bo$13bob2o5b2obo11b2o6b2o26b2o29b2o2b
2o207b2o104b2o$15bo7bo21b2o9b2o45bobo137bob2o69bobo$56b2o45bo12b2o123b
3ob2o69bo91b2o$102b2o11bobo122bo74b2o7b2o81bobo$33bo81bo125b3ob2o77b2o
81bo$32bobo44b2o11bo21b2o127b2o2bo158b2o$32b2o6b2o37b2o10bobo118b2o32b
obo83b2obo23b2o$15b3o22bo50bobo2b2o3bo110b2o28bob2obobo82b2ob3o21b2o$
15bobo23b3o46b2ob2o2bo2bobo139b2obo2bo89bo$14bo3bo24bo50bobo3bobo118b
2o22bo86b2ob3o12b2o$14bo3bo37bo33b2obo2b4obo119bo23b2o22b2o60bo2b2o15b
o84b2o$55b3o32b2obobo3bo122b3o18b2o2bobo19bo60bobo15b3o85b2o$15b3o4b2o
30b5o35bobo3bo4bo118bo17bo2bo2b2o17bobo59bobob2obo11bo$22b2o29b2o3b2o
35bobo3bo3b3o5bo101b2o2bo18bo4b2o22b2ob2o58bo2bob2o19b2o$48bo47bo3b2o
6bo3bobo101bo2b3o6b2o6b3o31bobo60bo22bo$47bobo57b2o3bo2bo99bo6bo5b2o5b
o34bobo35b2o22b2o23bo84bo$47b2obo62b2o100b2o4b2o12b2o10b2o20b2ob2o35bo
19bobo2b2o20b2o81b4o$35b2o10b2ob2o3b3o190bo24bo35bobo17b2o2bo2bo101b4o
9b2o$35b2o10b2obo4b3o29b2o47b2o110bobo18b2obo34b2ob2o22b2o4bo18bo71bo
6bo2bo9b2o$47bobo37b2o48bo96b2o13b2o18b2obobo31bobo31b3o6b2o6b3o70b3o
5b4o5bo$48bo23b2o50b2o11bobo89b2o3b2o37b2o31bobo34bo5b2o5bo72bo3bo5b4o
4bo$71bo2bo49b2o12b2o89b2o74b2ob2o20b2o10b2o12b2o70bob3obo7bo$70bob2o
231bo24bo98b5o$70bo60bob2o114b2o55bob2o18bobo$50b2o17b2o60b2obo113bo2b
o52bobob2o18b2o13b2o$50b2o5bo26b2o154bo8bobo52b2o37b2o3b2o$56b3o25bo
153b3o9bo97b2o$55bobobo25b3o49b2o98bo186b2o$56bo2bo27bo49b2o4b2o92b2o
89b2o94bo$56b3o68b2o14b2o182bo2bo91bobo$57bo22b2o45bobo197bobo8bo83b2o
$80bo48bo198bo9b3o$78bobo20b2o26b2o210bo$78b2o22bo39b2o196b2o88b2o$99b
3o3bob2o29b2o2b2o286b2o$50bo7bo4b2o34bo2b4ob2o28bobo115b2o$63b2o37bo
34bo12b2o103b2o166b2o$48b3o7b3o42b3ob2o27b2o11bobo265b2o4b2o$49b2ob2ob
2ob2o12b2o13b2o16b2o2bo39bo114b2o151b2o$50b3o3b3o13b2o6b2o5b2o19b2o3b
2o11bo21b2o114bo$51bo5bo22b2o31b2o10bobo137b3o54b2o$125bobo2b2o3bo131b
o54b2o$124b2ob2o2bo2bobo121b2o158b2o$68bo16b2o41bobo3bobo122bo53b2o
103b2o2b2o$67bobo54b2obo2b4obo122bo55bo107bobo45b2o$67b2o6b2o47b2obobo
3bo124b2o51b3o96b2o12bo45b2o$75bo52bobo3bo4bo171bo98bobo11b2o$76b3o50b
obo3bo3b3o5bo171b2o91bo$78bo5b2o3b2o39bo3b2o6bo3bobo170bo92b2o21bo11b
2o$85b5o51b2o3bo2bo170bo113bobo10b2o$85b2ob2o57b2o170b2o105bo3b2o2bobo
33b3o$57b2o16b2o8b2ob2o335bobo2bo2b2ob2o32b3o$57b2o16bo2bo7b3o32b2o47b
2o253bobo3bobo35bo3bo$67b5o7bo41b2o48bo254bob4o2bob2o$66bo5bo6bo26b2o
50b2o11bobo254bo3bobob2o30b2o3b2o$66bo3b2o7bo25bo2bo49b2o12b2o248bo4bo
3bobo$67bo7bo2bo25bob2o306bo5b3o3bo3bobo$75b2o27bo60bob2o244bobo3bo6b
2o3bo41b2o5b2o$103b2o60b2obo243bo2bo3b2o50bo4bo3b3o$118b2o293b2o61bo5b
2obo$118bo351bo6bo4bo2bo5b2o$81b2o36b3o49b2o266b2o29bobo9b2obo5b2o$81b
2o38bo49b2o4b2o260b2o39b3o$161b2o14b2o223b2o50b2o24b2o$161bobo238b2o
49bo2bo13bo$163bo290b2obo12bo$135b2o26b2o228b2obo60bo$111b2o23bo39b2o
215bob2o60b2o17b2o$111bo21b3o3bob2o29b2o2b2o213b2o49b2o23b2o3b2o2b2o$
109bobo21bo2b4ob2o28bobo217bo51bo$109b2o25bo34bo12b2o203bobo48b3o$81b
3o3b3o47b3ob2o27b2o11bobo203b2o49bo$81bo2bobo2bo4b2o43b2o2bo39bo215b2o
$81bo7bo4b2o46b2o3b2o11bo21b2o214bobo45b2o$147b2o10bobo236bo48bo19b2o
3b2o$82bo5bo14b2o13b2o39bobo2b2o3bo227b2o26b2o20bobo$83b2ob2o15b2o6b2o
5b2o38b2ob2o2bo2bobo254bo22b2o$111b2o49bobo3bobo219b2o27b2obo3b3o41bo$
158b2obo2b4obo214b2o4b2o27b2ob4o2bo34b2o5bo$158b2obobo3bo216b2o39bo37b
2o$99bo62bobo3bo4bo245b2ob3o$82bo15bobo62bobo3bo3b3o5bo236bo2b2o31b2o
13bo7bo$81bobo14b2o6b2o56bo3b2o6bo3bobo235b2o26b2o6b2o13b2o5b2o$81bobo
22bo10b3o55b2o3bo2bo201b2o59b2o21b3o3b3o$80bo3bo22b3o6bo3bo60b2o202b2o
2b2o80b2ob2o$80b2ob2o24bo279bobo45b2o32bo3bo$80bo3bo30bo5bo33b2o220b2o
12bo45b2o20bo8b2o7b2o$81b3o31b2o3b2o33b2o220bobo11b2o65bobo7b2o7b2o$
81b3o4b2o19b2o29b2o50b2o66bobo116bo71b2o6b2o11bobo$88b2o18bo3bo26bo2bo
49b2o67b2o116b2o21bo11b2o36bo15bo2bo3bo2bo$107bo5bo4bo19bob2o119bo139b
obo10b2o33b3o17b3o3b3o$97b2o8bo3bob2o2bobo18bo60bob2o190bo3b2o2bobo45b
o$97b2o8bo5bo3bobo17b2o60b2obo189bobo2bo2b2ob2o$108bo3bo5bo33b2o99bo
138bobo3bobo$109b2o41bo101bo60bobo75bob4o2bob2o64b2o$153b3o91bo4b3o60b
2o78bo3bobob2o33bo30b2o$155bo92b2o66bo72bo4bo3bobo36b3o$195b2o50b2o
132bo5b3o3bo3bobo36b5o$112b2o81bobo182bobo3bo6b2o3bo36b2o3b2o6bo$112b
2o83bo54bo126bo2bo3b2o48b5o5bobo$169b2o26b2o51bobo127b2o54bo3bo3b2o$
170bo80b2o71bo112bobo4b2o12b2o$167b3o3bob2o147bobo79b2o30bo5b2o12b2o$
167bo2b4ob2o147b2o80b2o38bobo$142b2o26bo98bo99b2o50b2o25bo$142bo28b3ob
2o90bobo99b2o49bo2bo$140bobo30b2o2bo90b2o151b2obo$140b2o34b2o127bo54b
2obo60bo$113bo5bo184bo4bobo48bob2o60b2o10b3o4b2o$112b3o3b3o4b2o177b3o
2b2o98b2o24bo3bo3b2o$112bob2ob2obo4b2o183bo99bo24b2ob2o$114b2ob2o288b
3o26bobo$114b2ob2o288bo$114b2ob2o23b2o222b2o68bobo$135b2o5b2o221bobo
45b2o20b2ob2o$135b2o228bo48bo20bo3bo$364b2o26b2o20bobo19b3o$130bo261bo
22b2o$129bobo254b2obo3b3o$112b3o14b2o6b2o247b2ob4o2bo34b2o$112b3o22bo
254bo37b2o$138b3o156bobo86b2ob3o$111b2ob2o24bo156b2o86bo2b2o$111bo3bo
182bo86b2o26b2o$112b3o298b2o5b2o$113bo5b2o299b2o13b3o5b3o$119b2o314bo
2b2ob2o2bo$426bo9b3o3b3o$425bobo9bo5bo$120b2o296b2o6b2o$120b2o161bo
135bo$281bobo4bo127b3o$282b2o5bo126bo$148bo138b3o2b2o$146b3o142bobo$
145bo147bo142b2o$137b2o6b2o289b2o$137bobo140bo$138bo141b2o$120b3o3b3o
150bobo$120bo2bobo2bo14b2o144b2o$120bo7bo14b2o5b2o138b2o10bo$150b2o
113b2o22bo11b2o$121bo5bo138b2o33bobo4b2o$122b2ob2o138bo41b2o5b2o$133b
2o46b2o126bo4bobo151b2o$133b2o43b2o2bo131bo153b2o$176b3ob2o136b3o$148b
2o25bo142bo$127bo20bobo21bo2b4ob2o137bo128bo$126bobo21bo21b3o3bob2o
266b3o$126bobo21b2o23bo275bo$125bo3bo44b2o26b2o246b2o6b2o$125b2ob2o72b
o254bobo$125bo3bo70bobo255bo$126b3o71b2o118b2o$120b2o4b3o31bo93b3o63bo
bo129b2o$120b2o36b3o89bo5bo63bo124b2o5b2o$157bo92b2o3bo69bo119b2o22bo
5bo$157b2o90bobo72b2o142b3o3b3o$142b2o60b2obo116bobo140bo3bobo3bo$116b
o26bo60bob2o254b2o3bo9bo$113b4o26bob2o315b2o4b3o3b3o$105b2o5b4o28bo2bo
49b2o55b2o$105b2o5bo2bo29b2o50b2o56b2o57b2o6b3o86b2o34b2o$112b4o5bo38b
2o92bo58b2o7bo88bo2b2o30bobo$96b2o15b4o4bo38b2o153bo7bo88b2ob3o28bo$
96b2o18bo301bo26b2o23b2ob2o$186b2o224b2ob4o2bo49bobo$180b2o3bo2bo223b
2obo3b3o45b2ob2ob2ob2o$117bo51bo3b2o6bo3bobo230bo49bobo3bo2bo$115b3o6b
5o39bobo3bo3b3o5bo203b2o26b2o49bo7bo$114bo8bob3obo37bobo3bo4bo212bo70b
3o9bo2bo$106b2o6b2o8bo3bo34b2obobo3bo218bobo68bo12b2o$106bobo16b3o35b
2obo2b4obo217b2o69bo$89b3o3b3o9bo18bo40bobo3bobo257bo$88bo2bo3bo2bo64b
2ob2o2bo2bobo257b3o$88b2obo3bob2o65bobo2b2o3bo261bo42b2o$119b2o31b2o
10bobo268b2o33bo8bobo$111b2o6b2o5b2o19b2o3b2o11bo21b2o197bob2o60b2o17b
obo2b2o6bo7b2o$111b2o13b2o16b2o2bo39bo197b2obo60bo18bobobo2bo2bo2bo7b
2o$142b3ob2o27b2o11bobo256b2obo19bo3b2o6bo$102b2o37bo34bo12b2o204b2o
49bo2bo29bobo18b2o$102b2o34bo2b4ob2o28bobo216b2o50b2o30b2o19b2o$138b3o
3bob2o29b2o2b2o249b2o33b2o3b2o$117b2o22bo39b2o249b2o33b2o3b2o$96bo20bo
bo20b2o26b2o298b5o7bo$94b2ob2o20bo48bo237b2o61bobo8b3o$94b2ob2o20b2o
45bobo236bo2bo3b2o69bo$166b2o14b2o222bobo3bo6b2o3bo44b3o10b2o6b2o$93bo
bobobo26bo49b2o4b2o223bo5b3o3bo3bobo63bobo$124b3o49b2o237bo4bo3bobo63b
o$94b2ob2o24bo297bo3bobob2o70bo5bo$89b2o4b3o25b2o294bob4o2bob2o69b3o3b
3o$89b2o5bo11b2o60b2obo244bobo3bobo50b2o21bob2ob2obo$109bo60bob2o244bo
bo2bo2b2ob2o38b2o6b2o6b2o15b2ob2o$109bob2o306bo3b2o2bobo39b2o14b2o15b
2ob2o$110bo2bo49b2o12b2o248bobo10b2o60b2ob2o$82bo28b2o50b2o11bobo82b2o
142b2o21bo11b2o52b2o$80b4o42b2o48bo84bo143bo39b2o47b2o$74b2o3bobob2o
41b2o47b2o85bo140bobo11b2o26bo2b2o$74b2o2bo2bob3o175b2o140b2o12bo28b2o
b3o27b2o$79bobob2o67b2o116bo144bobo34bo25bobo$80b4o62b2o3bo2bo113b3o
140b2o2b2o29b2ob4o2bo22bo21b3o$82bo12bo39bo3b2o6bo3bobo113bo143b2o33b
2obo3b3o21b2o21b3o$94b3o37bobo3bo3b3o5bo114b2o183bo$93b5o35bobo3bo4bo
279b2o26b2o45b2ob2o$92bobobobo30b2obobo3bo119b2o165bo73bo3bo$92b2o3b2o
30b2obo2b4obo117b2o150b2o13bobo72b3o$63b2o68bobo3bobo268b2o4b2o8b2o73b
o5b2o$63b2o64b2ob2o2bo2bobo274b2o49bo39b2o$95bo34bobo2b2o3bo326b3o$94b
obo21b2o10bobo187b2o148bo$84bo9bobo21b2o11bo21b2o166bo147b2o$82b3o10bo
58bo165bo99bob2o60b2o24bo$56b3o3b3o16bo13b2o44b2o11bobo83b2o78b2o98b2o
bo60bo24bobo$56bo2bobo2bo8b2o6b2o12b2o45bo12b2o83bo71bo102b2o64b2obo
16b3o4bob2o10b2o$55bo3bobo3bo7bobo19b2o45bobo96b3o9bo58b3o100bobo11b2o
49bo2bo17b3o3b2ob2o10b2o$56bo2bobo2bo9bo68b2o2b2o94bo8bobo60bo101bo11b
2o50b2o25bob2o27b2o$58bo3bo84b2o102bo2bo59b2o101b2o47b2o41bobo27b2o4b
3o$56b2o5b2o187b2o212b2o42bo34b3o$55b3o5b3o20b2o235b2o174b2o3b2o38bo3b
o$55b3o5b3o12b2o6b2o26b2o116b2o89b2o115b2o58b5o14bo24b2ob2o$78b2o31b2o
2bo32b2o82b2o3b2o37b2o161bo2bo3b2o53b3o15b3o22bo3bo$109b3ob2o27b2o4b2o
87b2o13b2o18b2obobo162bobo3bo6b2o3bo43bo19bo22bobo$69b2o37bo33b2o107bo
bo18b2obo165bo5b3o3bo3bobo61b2o6b2o14bobo$69b2o34bo2b4ob2o136bo24bo
172bo4bo3bobo67bobo15bo$62b3o40b3o3bob2o109b2o12b2o10b2o20b2ob2o178bo
3bobob2o64bo$62b3o19b2o22bo116bo5b2o5bo34bobo177bob4o2bob2o$61b5o18bob
o20b2o26b2o85b3o6b2o6b3o31bobo65b2o109bobo3bobo$60b2o3b2o19bo48bo86bo
18bo4b2o22b2ob2o67bo109bobo2bo2b2ob2o51b2o$60b2o3b2o19b2o45bobo7b2o
100bo2bo2b2o17bobo56bo9b3o111bo3b2o2bobo52b2o6b2o15b2ob2o$133b2o7bobo
101b2o2bobo19bo55bobo8bo121bobo10b2o25b2o21b2o14bo5bo$93bo48bo76b2o27b
2o22b2o54bo2bo107b2o21bo11b2o10b2o13b2o$91b3o47b2o76bo28bo80b2o108bo
46bo2b2o42b2o4bo7bo$60b2o3b2o23bo129bo24b2obo2bo185bobo11b2o34b2ob3o
40b2o4bo2bobo2bo$56b2o2b2o3b2o23b2o127b2o24bob2obobo96b2o86b2o12bo41bo
45b3o3b3o$56b2o3b5o9b2o60b2obo87bo20bobo53b2o37b2o3b2o98bobo35b2ob4o2b
o21b2o$62b3o11bo60bob2o85b3o17b2o2bo54bobob2o18b2o13b2o99b2o2b2o36b2ob
o3b3o20bobo$62b3o11bob2o145bo18b3ob2o57bob2o18bobo113b2o46bo23bo$77bo
2bo49b2o93b2o16bo62bo24bo133b2o26b2o21b2o$51bobo24b2o50b2o112b3ob2o56b
2ob2o20b2o10b2o12b2o107bo$51bo3bo37b2o121b2o28bob2o57bobo34bo5b2o5bo
108bobo$41b2o12bo37b2o121b2o89bobo31b3o6b2o6b3o83b2o21b2o$41b2o8bo4bo
4b3o192b2o50b2ob2o22b2o4bo18bo83b2o4b2o56bo$55bo5b3o55b2o135b2o7b2o43b
obo17b2o2bo2bo112b2o56b3o35b2o$51bo3bo4bo3bo48b2o3bo2bo143bo44bo19bobo
2b2o174bo34b2o$51bobo5bo5bo36bo3b2o6bo3bobo142bobo43b2o22b2o175b2o$60b
o3bo36bobo3bo3b3o5bo143b2o69bo126bob2o60b2o$61b3o36bobo3bo4bo219bo2bob
2o123b2obo60bo$96b2obobo3bo92b2o130bobob2obo184b2obo25bobo$96b2obo2b4o
bo90bo132bobo115b2o19b2o49bo2bo26bo3bo$100bobo3bobo90b3o9bo31b2o24bo8b
2o52bo2b2o112bobo18b2o50b2o31bo5b2o$96b2ob2o2bo2bobo92bo8bobo30b2o24b
3o6b2o53b2ob3o112bo55b2o42bo4bo4b2o$97bobo2b2o3bo101bo2bo59bo66bo111b
2o54b2o46bo21bo$85b2o10bobo110b2o59b2o13b2o45b2ob3o212bo3bo14b2o4b3o$
85b2o11bo21b2o164bo46b2obo144b2o68bobo16b2o3bo3bo$121bo68b2o92bobo87b
2o104bo2bo3b2o86b2ob2o$108b2o11bobo66b2o3b2o37b2o23bo24b2o39b2o48bo
105bobo3bo6b2o3bo75b2ob2o$62b2o45bo12b2o71b2o13b2o18b2obobo22bobo18b2o
35b2o7b2o47bo107bo5b3o3bo3bobo39b3o7bo$62b2o45bobo97bobo18b2obo24bobo
18b2o36bo56b2o114bo4bo3bobo37bo3bo6b3o22b2ob2o$110b2o2b2o93bo24bo24bo
57bobo46bo129bo3bobob2o32bo5bo8bo21b2ob2o$114b2o66b2o12b2o10b2o20b2ob
2o25b3o55b2o46b3o125bob4o2bob2o33bo3bo8b2o6b2o13bo3bo$183bo5b2o5bo34bo
bo28bo106bo123bobo3bobo38b3o16bobo14b3o$180b3o6b2o6b3o31bobo49bo84b2o
123bobo2bo2b2ob2o34b3o17bo16bo$180bo18bo4b2o22b2ob2o49bobo19b2o8bo179b
o3b2o2bobo$115b2o86bo2bo2b2o17bobo52b2o19b2o6b3o23b2o37b2o123bobo10b2o
$109b2o4b2o87b2o2bobo19bo80bo26b2o37b2o101b2o21bo11b2o30b2o$109b2o95b
2o22b2o64b2o13b2o167bo38b2o19b2o5b2o6b2o$206bo67b2o21bo180bobo11b2o25b
o2b2o16b2o13b2o$203b2obo2bo64b2o21bobo178b2o12bo27b2ob3o$203bob2obobo
87b2o190bobo33bo37b2o4bo7bo$207bobo93b2o18bo162b2o2b2o28b2ob4o2bo34b2o
3b4o3b4o$204b2o2bo58bo35b2o17bobo161b2o32b2obo3b3o39bo3bobo3bo$110b2o
90b3ob2o45bo11bo3b2o9b2o40bobo70b2o129bo22b2o19bo2bobo2bo$109bobo89bo
50bobo9b2obob2o9bobo40bo72bo101b2o26b2o20bobo19b3o3b3o$109bo92b3ob2o
32b2o9bo3b2o6b2o6bo10bo37b3o60bo9b3o103bo48bo$108b2o94bob2o32b2o9bo3b
2o7b2obob2o9b3o17bo19bo61bobo8bo91b2o12bobo45b2o$251bo3b2o8bo3b2o28bob
o80bo2bo99b2o4b2o7b2o$214b2o36bobo12bo31b2o82b2o106b2o48bo$214b2o7b2o
28bo287b3o$223bo56b3o120b2o139bo$189b2o30bobo39b2o17bo7b2o16b2o49b2o
37b2o3b2o138b2o32b2o$189bo31b2o33bo6b2o15bobo7b2o16b2o49bobob2o18b2o
13b2o94bob2o60b2o17b2o$190bo63b2ob2o21b2o79bob2o18bobo108b2obo60bo$
189b2o169bo24bo104b2o63b2obo$198bo54bo5bo100b2ob2o20b2o10b2o12b2o77bob
o10b2o49bo2bo$196b3o2b2o99b2o9b3ob3o14bo26bobo34bo5b2o5bo80bo10b2o50b
2o24bo$195bo5b2o50b2obob2o32b2o6b2ob2o7bob2ob2obo12b2o26bobo31b3o6b2o
6b3o77b2o46b2o30bo8b2o$195b2o95b2o6bo2bo7b2o7b2o10b2o4b2o2b2o18b2ob2o
22b2o4bo18bo125b2o29bobo2b2o4b2o8b2o$300bo2bo8bob2ob2obo10b3o4b2o2b2o
20bobo17b2o2bo2bo179bobo2b2o4b3o7b2o$186b2o113b2o10b3ob3o12b2o4b2o24bo
19bobo2b2o123b2o56bo3b2o4b2o$186b2o145b2o28b2o22b2o124bo2bo3b2o59b2o$
217bo15bo8b2o57b2o31bo53bo125bobo3bo6b2o3bo48bo$216bobo14b3o6b2o56bo2b
o81bo2bob2o123bo5b3o3bo3bobo35b2o3b2o26b2o$113b2o8bo92bobo17bo63bo2bo
15b2o63bobob2obo131bo4bo3bobo34b2o3b2o25bobo4b2o$113b2o6b3o93bo17b2o
13b2o48b2ob2o14b2o64bobo141bo3bobob2o63bo5b2o$120bo97b3o29bo5b2o44b2o
82bo2b2o136bob4o2bob2o32b3o$105b2o13b2o98bo27bobo5b2o129b2ob3o133bobo
3bobo36b3o37bo$106bo8b2o51b2o78b2o143bo132bobo2bo2b2ob2o33bo12bo17bo6b
obo$106bobo6b3o50bo218b2ob3o134bo3b2o2bobo47b3o15bob2o3bobo$107b2o4bo
55b3o9bo59b2o144b2obo144bobo10b2o38bo14b2ob2o3bo$112bob2o55bo8bobo58b
2o82b5o183b2o21bo11b2o37b2o6b2o8bo2bo$114b2o63bo2bo141bob3obo48b2o132b
o80bobo9bo$180b2o143bo3bo40b2o7b2o130bobo11b2o68bo12bo$247bo78b3o42bo
139b2o12bo45b2o33b2o$160b2o84bobo78bo43bobo149bobo45b2o28b3o2b2o3bo$
109bo50b2o3b2o37b2o41b2o123b2o145b2o2b2o57b2o16bo2b4o3bob2o$108bobo54b
2o13b2o18b2obobo313b2o33b2o26b2o6b2o10b2obo7bo$108b2o69bobo18b2obo350b
o2b2o31b2o17bo3bo$179bo24bo33b2o86b2o30b2o8bo186b2ob3o48b4o$152b2o12b
2o10b2o20b2ob2o33b2o86b2o30b2o6b3o23b2o167bo47b2o$117b2o34bo5b2o5bo34b
obo161bo26b2o124b2o35b2ob4o2bo$117b2o31b3o6b2o6b3o31bobo146b2o13b2o
151b2o4b2o29b2obo3b3o$150bo18bo4b2o22b2ob2o148bo172b2o35bo22b2o20bo$
173bo2bo2b2o17bobo12bo28bo3b3o102bobo179b2o26b2o20bobo$174b2o2bobo19bo
10bobo27bobo2b5o3b2o96b2o180bo48bo25bo$113bo3bo5bob2o12bo36b2o22b2o2b
2o4bobo28bo3b2o3b2o2b2o121bo156bobo45b2o25bo$101b2o9bo5bo4bobobo10bobo
35bo27b2o3bo2bo7b2o20bo2bo3b2o108b2o15bobo156b2o71bo$101b2o9bo9bo4bo8b
2o3bo9b2o20b2obo2bo30bobo30b3o3bo109b2o15bobo197bo$112b2o3bo5bobobo8b
2o3bo9b2o20bob2obobo30bobo163bo145b2o51b3o$114b3o6bob2o9b2o3bo35bobo
33bo29b3o3bo124b3o146bobo53bo23b2o3b2o$138bobo33b2o2bo39bo23bo2bo3b2o
103bo19bo150bo52b2o23b2o3b2o2b2o$114b3o22bo32b3ob2o41bo7b2o12bo3b2o3b
2o101bobo169b2o2bob2o60b2o9b5o3b2o$112b2o3bo53bo47bo7b2o12bobo2b5o102b
2o174b2obo60bo11b3o$112bo15b2o42b3ob2o64bo3b3o341b2obo11b3o$112bo5bo9b
2o6bo37bob2o360b2o49bo2bo$113bo3bo16b2ob2o78b2o3b2o138b2o174b2o50b2o
27bo$184b2o34bo141b2o211b2o41b2o$133bo5bo44b2o7b2o22bo5bo351b2o40b2o4b
2o2b2o$193bo24b2ob2o393b3o4b2o2b2o$133b2obob2o51bobo25bobo148bo178b2o
66b2o4b2o$191b2o27bo136bo10b5o14b2o159bo2bo3b2o50bo10b2o$220bo125b2o8b
2o9b2obo2bo12bobo160bobo3bo6b2o3bo38b3o10bo$346b2o7b2o9bo7bo10bo6b2o2b
2o152bo5b3o3bo3bobo37b3o$196bo8b2o149b2o2b2o5b2obo2bo11bo2bo2bo2bob2o
160bo4bo3bobo$171b2o23b3o6b2o161b5o12bo6b2o170bo3bobob2o30b2o3b2o$171b
2o26bo170bo15bobo173bob4o2bob2o30b2o3b2o$198b2o13b2o5b2o165b2o172bobo
3bobo$213bo6b2o134b2o2b2o199bobo2bo2b2ob2o$135b2o74bobo141b2o16b2o187b
o3b2o2bobo34bo$135b2o74b2o143b2o15b2o195bobo10b2o21bobo$187bo169bo190b
2o21bo11b2o23b2o$186bobo15b2o342bo59b2o$186bobo15b2o340bobo11b2o45b3o$
187bo358b2o12bo45bobo$188b3o189b3o175bobo45b2o$190bo19bo168bo3bo170b2o
2b2o$209bobo166bo5bo169b2o$210b2o167bo3bo$380b3o$380b3o$201b2o350b2o$
201b2o350b2o4b2o$559b2o$380b2o$210bo169b2o$178b2o25bo3bo$177bobo24bo8b
2o2b2o$167b2o7bo6b2o19bo2b2o5bo2b2o$167b2o7bo2bo2bo2bo19b2o5bobo343b2o
$176bo6b2o21b3o3b2o344bobo$177bobo380bo$178b2o26b3o3b2o346b2o$205b2o5b
obo$182b3o5b2o12bo2b2o5bo$182b3o5b2o12bo8b2o$181bo3bo19bo3bo325bo8b2o$
180bo5bo23bo324b3o6b2o$181bo3bo352bo$182b3o352b2o13b2o$552bo$550bobo$
550b2o2$543b2o$543b2o3$549bo$183b2o363bobo$183b2o364b2o3$540b2o$540b2o
4$514bo$513bobo23b3o14b2o$506b2o3b2o3bo22bo3bo12b2o$506b2o3b2o3bo22bo
4bo$511b2o3bo23bo3bo$513bobo$514bo25bo3bo7b3o$539bo4bo5b2obob2o$529b2o
8bo3bo5bo5b2o$529b2o8b3o8b2obob2o$552b3o3$519b2obob2o2$519bo5bo2$520b
2ob2o$522bo5$522b2o$522b2o!

Can someone rework my mess?
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Re: Thread For Synthesisable Spaceship Guns

Postby Sokwe » August 10th, 2015, 8:00 pm

The gliders from the Northwest are crashing into the newly-formed B29. When constructing a gun, you should start with a repeatable synthesis. As a starting point, use the following synthesis (this one only includes 6 "problem gliders"):
x = 273, y = 29, rule = B3/S23
256bobo$257b2o$257bo3$249bo$250bo10bobo$248b3o10b2o$207bo54bo$205bobo
56b3o$160bo5bo39b2o56bo$67bobo90bobob2o82bo5b2o9bo$67b2o91b2o3b2o36b2o
3b2o36bobo5bobob2o$68bo135b2o2bo38b2o6b2obo11bo$164bo38bo5b3o47b3o8bob
o$163b2o46bo49bo8b2o$64b3o96bobo3b3o$4bo164bo96b2o$2bobo4bo49b2o48b2o
48b2o9bo38b2o39b3o6b2o5bobo$3b2o5bo47bobo47bobo47bobo47bobo41bo5bobo5b
o$8b3o2b2o41b3obobo43b3obobo43b3obob2o42b3obob2o31b2o4bo4b3obob2o7bo$
12bobo40bo5b2o42bo5b2o42bo5bo2bo40bo5bo2bo31b2o7bo5bo2bo5b2o$14bo40b2o
48b2o48b2o5bo2bo39b2o5bo2bo29bo9b2o5bo2bo4bobo$114b2o47b2o48b2o48b2o$b
o113b2o2bo$b2o111bo3b2o130b2o$obo115bobo130b2o7b2o6b3o$250bo8b2o7bo$
261bo7bo!

Then use kickbacks to get a 3-sided synthesis. Various kickback reactions can be found in this collection.
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Re: Thread For Synthesisable Spaceship Guns

Postby The Turtle » August 10th, 2015, 8:19 pm

Sokwe wrote:The gliders from the Northwest are crashing into the newly-formed B29. When constructing a gun, you should start with a repeatable synthesis. As a starting point, use the following synthesis (this one only includes 6 "problem gliders"):
x = 273, y = 29, rule = B3/S23
256bobo$257b2o$257bo3$249bo$250bo10bobo$248b3o10b2o$207bo54bo$205bobo
56b3o$160bo5bo39b2o56bo$67bobo90bobob2o82bo5b2o9bo$67b2o91b2o3b2o36b2o
3b2o36bobo5bobob2o$68bo135b2o2bo38b2o6b2obo11bo$164bo38bo5b3o47b3o8bob
o$163b2o46bo49bo8b2o$64b3o96bobo3b3o$4bo164bo96b2o$2bobo4bo49b2o48b2o
48b2o9bo38b2o39b3o6b2o5bobo$3b2o5bo47bobo47bobo47bobo47bobo41bo5bobo5b
o$8b3o2b2o41b3obobo43b3obobo43b3obob2o42b3obob2o31b2o4bo4b3obob2o7bo$
12bobo40bo5b2o42bo5b2o42bo5bo2bo40bo5bo2bo31b2o7bo5bo2bo5b2o$14bo40b2o
48b2o48b2o5bo2bo39b2o5bo2bo29bo9b2o5bo2bo4bobo$114b2o47b2o48b2o48b2o$b
o113b2o2bo$b2o111bo3b2o130b2o$obo115bobo130b2o7b2o6b3o$250bo8b2o7bo$
261bo7bo!

Then use kickbacks to get a 3-sided synthesis. Various kickback reactions can be found in this collection.

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Re: Thread For Synthesisable Spaceship Guns

Postby mniemiec » August 10th, 2015, 8:33 pm

The Turtle wrote:Why? .., Can someone rework my mess?

You can also try using glider guns of larger periods, allowing the newly-formed B29 to cleanly escape before the next volley forms in the NW.
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Re: Thread For Synthesisable Spaceship Guns

Postby dvgrn » August 11th, 2015, 5:36 am

mniemiec wrote:
The Turtle wrote:Why? .., Can someone rework my mess?

You can also try using glider guns of larger periods, allowing the newly-formed B29 to cleanly escape before the next volley forms in the NW.

Yup, it looks like one possible patch would be just to add one more period-doubling semi-Snark to each chain, and re-connect all those p46*30 = p1380 guns. You could build a few templates, and swap out each gun right after it produces its glider. Then you could just keep the same positioning for all those high-clearance Fx119 inserters.

But depending on how you put this pattern together, it might be easier to just rebuild it from the ground up. There's some kind of copy-and-paste bug at the top of the pattern that would have to be sorted out also. It's certainly possible to use Sokwe's kickback suggestion to build a B29 gun with a repeat time lower than 1380, let alone 2760 or 5520.

If you didn't mind a painfully larger pattern, you could leave off the p1380 guns altogether, and borrow the timing adjusters from the glider-to-weekender project instead. If you can get everything connected up, that will be the first new type of glider-to-spaceship converter for decades, except for Calcyman's glider-to-Cordership from 2009.
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Re: Thread For Synthesisable Spaceship Guns

Postby dvgrn » August 11th, 2015, 7:08 am

gmc_nxtman wrote:I think it is possible to assemble a 13-engine cordership synthesis; if one is made, I would enjoy collaborating with someone to make the gun. The synthesis should be trivial as it's from just switch engines and blocks, but I don't know if there would be proximity issues on synthesising the switch engines.

It's certainly possible, though ambitious. If you want to tackle the project, have a look at the two guns for larger Corderships that come with Golly: the six-engine Cordership and the seven-in-a-row Corderhip. Many of the tricks used there could be adapted for a 13-engine synthesis -- mainly the use of kickbacks to construct switch engines with gliders from only three sides, and also ways of using a few extra gliders to temporarily suppress extra junk from a switch engine until its neighbor can be constructed.

So obviously the first step is to come up with a working 13-engine glider synthesis. There probably aren't any good shortcuts -- you just have to try patching together a bunch of individual switch-engine recipes, see where the tight spots are, and look for ways to work around those problems, usually by delaying some of the switch-engine constructions by 48 or 96 ticks, and changing the construction location accordingly.

A very different approach that hasn't been tried much yet is the idea of building seeds for all 13 switch engines, along the lines of chris_c's three-glider seed for a three-engine Cordership. There might be just enough room to bounce 13 gliders into the construction zone to start up all 13 engines simultaneously... that would probably save a lot of kickback and suppression gliders, so it might even be worth it in terms of the total cost.

Now, the 13-engine Cordership was never a very tempting target for me. You can always build Corderships with more engines; the focus was always on figuring out how to build them with fewer engines. [Side note: wasn't there a rake made at some point, that constructed debris that burned at just the right speed to produce an ever-growing Cordership? Now I can't find the reference.]

Anyway, so I have a couple of suggestions for alternate Cordership gun projects.

One is that the 7-in-a-row V-gun turned out to be a lot bigger than it needed to be -- it turns out that there's a perfectly workable 6-in-a-row configuration.

Once the two-salvo 7-in-a-row recipe is adjusted to build a 6-in-a-row Cordership, it would be unusually easy to convert the resulting V-gun into a glider-to-Cordership converter. There are only two lines of guns to connect up with timing adjusters, and they're right next to each other, instead of the usual eight rows all over the map.
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Re: Thread For Synthesisable Spaceship Guns

Postby gmc_nxtman » August 11th, 2015, 9:08 pm

This is my p300 edge shooter, although I'm sure that it's an abomination of inefficiency and there's definitely better out there. It's my first experience with herschel conduits, so sorry if this makes anyone's eyes bleed.

x = 66, y = 79, rule = B3/S23
52bo$41b2o8bobo$38b2o2bo8bobo$38bob2o8b2ob2o$54bo$45b2o3b2obo$45b2o3b
2obobo$54b2o2$36b2o$36b2o2$54b2o$54bo$52bobo$52b2o2$18b2o6b2o$18bo7bo
12b2o$19b3o5b3o8bobo$21bo7bo8bo$37b2o3$10b2o$10b2o3b2o44b2o$15b2o39b2o
2bo2bo$41b2o13bobo2b2o$40bobo16b2o$2b2o12b2o22bo19bo$3bo5b2o5bo22b2o
16bo2bob2o$3o6b2o6b3o36bobob2obo$o18bo37bobo$58bo2b2o$59b2ob3o$65bo$
59b2ob3o$59b2obo2$51b2o$42b2o7b2o$43bo$43bobo$4b2o22bobo13b2o$5bo22bo
3bo$5bobo4bo19bo$6b3ob4o14bo4bo4b2o$8b2obob2o4bo12bo5b2o24b2o$8bo2bob
3o5b2obo3bo3bo12b2o17b2o$9bobob2o5b4obo2bobo13bobo$10b4o6b2o2b2o20bo$
5b2o5bo$5b2o$49bo$48bobo$48bobo$3b2o25bobo16bo$31b2o13b3o$31bo14bo3$2b
2o3b2o$3b5o$3b2ob2o18b2o10bo$3b2ob2o19b2o10b2o$4b3o19bo11b2o4$8bo9b2o$
7bobo7b4o$6bob2o5b3o2bo2bobo$5b2ob2o9b2o2bo2bo$6bob2o6bo9b2o6b2o$7bobo
5bo8bo3b2o4b2o$8bo6bo10b2o19b2o$23bo2bo21bo$23bobo20bo$46b2o!
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Re: Thread For Synthesisable Spaceship Guns

Postby dvgrn » August 12th, 2015, 1:10 pm

gmc_nxtman wrote:This is my p300 edge shooter, although I'm sure that it's an abomination of inefficiency and there's definitely better out there. It's my first experience with herschel conduits, so sorry if this makes anyone's eyes bleed.

It looks just fine to me. In cases where you don't need the super-high clearance provided by the Fx119 component, you can get away with something a little smaller and more adjustable (add Snark reflectors to bend this around a corner or two as needed):

x = 91, y = 54, rule = B3/S23
45b2o$46bo18bo$44bo19bobo$44b2o17bob2o15b2o$57b2o3b2ob2o14bobo$44b2o
11b2o4bob2o13bo6b2o$44bobo17bobo13bo2bo2bo2bo$45bo19bo5bo8bo6b2o$71bob
o7bobo$71b2o9b2o2$86b3o$86b3o$85bo3bo$84bo5bo$47bo37bo3bo$47bo38b3o$
47bo2$59b2o$59bobo$59bo5$86b2o$23b2o41b3o9b2o6b2o$23bo42bo9bo2bo$21bob
o37bo5bo7bo$21b2o10bo25b4o12bo$33b3o17b2o3bobob2o11bo$36bo16b2o2bo2bob
3o11bo2bo5b2o$35b2o21bobob2o14b2o5bobo$2o48b2o7b4o24bo$2o48bo10bo25b2o
$47b2obo$22bo23bo2bo$20bobo24b2o$20b3o9b2o$20bo11b2o4$19b2o3bo$19bo3bo
bo$20bo3bobo$21bo3bobob2o$19bob4o2bob2o$10b2o6bobo3bobo$10b2o6bobo2bo
2b2ob2o$19bo3b2o2bobo$27bobo10b2o$28bo11b2o!

I haven't checked to see if there's a smaller p300 available somewhere, but this looks like about the right size.
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Re: Thread For Synthesisable Spaceship Guns

Postby The Turtle » August 14th, 2015, 11:13 am

Sokwe wrote:The gliders from the Northwest are crashing into the newly-formed B29. When constructing a gun, you should start with a repeatable synthesis. As a starting point, use the following synthesis (this one only includes 6 "problem gliders"):
x = 273, y = 29, rule = B3/S23
256bobo$257b2o$257bo3$249bo$250bo10bobo$248b3o10b2o$207bo54bo$205bobo
56b3o$160bo5bo39b2o56bo$67bobo90bobob2o82bo5b2o9bo$67b2o91b2o3b2o36b2o
3b2o36bobo5bobob2o$68bo135b2o2bo38b2o6b2obo11bo$164bo38bo5b3o47b3o8bob
o$163b2o46bo49bo8b2o$64b3o96bobo3b3o$4bo164bo96b2o$2bobo4bo49b2o48b2o
48b2o9bo38b2o39b3o6b2o5bobo$3b2o5bo47bobo47bobo47bobo47bobo41bo5bobo5b
o$8b3o2b2o41b3obobo43b3obobo43b3obob2o42b3obob2o31b2o4bo4b3obob2o7bo$
12bobo40bo5b2o42bo5b2o42bo5bo2bo40bo5bo2bo31b2o7bo5bo2bo5b2o$14bo40b2o
48b2o48b2o5bo2bo39b2o5bo2bo29bo9b2o5bo2bo4bobo$114b2o47b2o48b2o48b2o$b
o113b2o2bo$b2o111bo3b2o130b2o$obo115bobo130b2o7b2o6b3o$250bo8b2o7bo$
261bo7bo!

Then use kickbacks to get a 3-sided synthesis. Various kickback reactions can be found in this collection.

Are there any kickbacks with gliders only coming from the SW and NE to produce a SE or NW glider? I didn't find any in the collection (besides the *WSS spaceship reactions)
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Re: Thread For Synthesisable Spaceship Guns

Postby dvgrn » August 14th, 2015, 12:10 pm

The Turtle wrote:Are there any kickbacks with gliders only coming from the SW and NE to produce a SE or NW glider? I didn't find any in the collection (besides the *WSS spaceship reactions)

Sure -- it just takes an extra glider. See for example the first two insertion reactions in chris_c's Borg salvo builder ("Resistance is futile. You will be duplicated.")
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Re: Thread For Synthesisable Spaceship Guns

Postby The Turtle » August 14th, 2015, 2:59 pm

dvgrn wrote:
The Turtle wrote:Are there any kickbacks with gliders only coming from the SW and NE to produce a SE or NW glider? I didn't find any in the collection (besides the *WSS spaceship reactions)

Sure -- it just takes an extra glider. See for example the first two insertion reactions in chris_c's Borg salvo builder ("Resistance is futile. You will be duplicated.")

So is insertion better at the front of a salvo or the back of a salvo?
Are there any insertion reactions the insert at the back? Or is it harder or not possible?

Thanks,
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Oh, and by the way, what does "Resistance is futile. You will be duplicated." mean? And what is a "Borg" in Life?
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Re: Thread For Synthesisable Spaceship Guns

Postby M. I. Wright » August 14th, 2015, 3:21 pm

The Turtle wrote:So is insertion better at the front of a salvo or the back of a salvo?
Are there any insertion reactions the insert at the back? Or is it harder or not possible?

I think it depends on both the salvo and the insertion method you use, especially the size of the spark it leaves behind and where the inserted glider ends up. Generally I like to start at the front and work my way backwards [there's no special reaction to do so, you just time it so that the inserted glider ends up behind the others] but either way works.
Oh, and by the way, what does "Resistance is futile. You will be duplicated." mean? And what is a "Borg" in Life?

It's a reference to the Star Trek characters.
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Re: Thread For Synthesisable Spaceship Guns

Postby dvgrn » August 14th, 2015, 5:47 pm

M. I. Wright wrote:
The Turtle wrote:So is insertion better at the front of a salvo or the back of a salvo?
Are there any insertion reactions the insert at the back? Or is it harder or not possible?

I think it depends on both the salvo and the insertion method you use, especially the size of the spark it leaves behind and where the inserted glider ends up. Generally I like to start at the front and work my way backwards...

Extrementhusiast's clock-based inserter can drop new gliders very very close to the front of a salvo. Using Herschel circuitry, there's nothing comparable (just because nobody has built shotguns for the clock-to-glider insertion salvos yet -- it would be easy enough to do that, but very big and awkward.)

So if you're using Herschel circuitry, an Fx119 or H-to-G#2/SE7T14 inserter can place gliders much closer behind other gliders than in front of other gliders. We have quite a few other edge shooters and near edge shooters now, hidden in the H-to-G converter collection, including some that are better at in-front placements... but the Fx119 and SE7T14 are nice and compact, and have traditionally tended to get used the most often.

[The above is the link to the most recent H-to-G recognizer script. The actual H-to-G collection is in the first message at the top of the thread.]

M. I. Wright wrote:
Oh, and by the way, what does "Resistance is futile. You will be duplicated." mean? And what is a "Borg" in Life?

It's a reference to the Star Trek characters.

That link doesn't make it obvious, but the Borg spaceship in the _First Contact_ movie and in various episodes is a huge cube that flies through the Universe at a quarter of the speed of light (well, maybe, sometimes.) That made my big test square of closely packed gliders look eerily familiar, somehow.
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Re: Thread For Synthesisable Spaceship Guns

Postby gmc_nxtman » August 20th, 2015, 6:59 pm

Is there an (easy) way to generate three-sided syntheses? Like a script?

x = 80, y = 79, rule = B3/S23
13bobo$14b2o$14bo3$6bo$7bo60bobo$o4b3o60b2o$b2o66bo$2o2$5bo$3bobo$4b2o
71bo$77bobo$77b2o$22bo$20bobo$21b2o$58bo$57bo4bobo$57b3o2b2o$63bo11$
50bobo$50b2o$51bo7$36bo$34bobo4bo$35b2o5bo$40b3o2b2o$44bobo$46bo2$33bo
$33b2o$32bobo$42b2o$43b2o10bo$18b2o22bo11b2o$19b2o33bobo4b2o$18bo41b2o
5b2o$62bo4bobo$67bo$71b3o$71bo$72bo6$73b2o$7b3o63bobo$3bo5bo63bo$3b2o
3bo69bo$2bobo72b2o$77bobo3$7b2o$8b2o57b2o6b3o$7bo58b2o7bo$68bo7bo!
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Re: Thread For Synthesisable Spaceship Guns

Postby dvgrn » August 20th, 2015, 7:40 pm

gmc_nxtman wrote:Is there an (easy) way to generate three-sided syntheses? Like a script?

Sure. Just run chris_c's salvo builder on the salvo coming in from the northwest, and then delete that salvo and replace it with whatever the script comes up with.

It won't be optimal, because at least two of those gliders can actually be placed with simple two-glider kickbacks -- i.e., a glider coming from the southeast, hitting a glider from the southwest or northeast. And it won't be optimized, because it will be possible to move all of the script's output gliders so that they're closer to each other. You'll be able to figure out how to move or substitute gliders and recipes with a little practice:

x = 142, y = 22, rule = LifeHistory
3A37.2A39.2A38.A$2.A38.2A37.A.A38.2A$.A38.A41.A37.A.A2$3.2A38.2A40.A$
2.2A39.A.A38.2A38.3A$4.A38.A40.A.A37.A$125.A11$140.D$19.D40.D38.D.D
39.D$20.2D36.D.D39.2D37.3D$19.2D38.2D39.D!

To replace a target glider with its equivalent kickback pair, first move the target glider by (+20,+20) -- 80 ticks -- using shift.py if you want to. Then copy and paste the red glider in on top of the target glider, and bring the two green gliders along for the ride.

It would be very nice to be able to select sets of gliders and drag them around the screen, and have Golly automatically adjust all the gliders so that they stay in the correct places relative to each other and you get the same target glider output. It's perfectly possible to write a Python script that does that... but I'm away on a trip for the next week, so I guess I'll leave that as an exercise for the reader.
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Re: Thread For Synthesisable Spaceship Guns

Postby gmc_nxtman » August 23rd, 2015, 1:05 pm

I think this spaceship is a good target, but I don't know much about glider synthesis.

x = 14, y = 9, rule = B3/S23
b3o$o2bo6b3o$o4bo4bo2bo$3bobo2bo4bo$2o4bobobo$5bobo4b2o$3bo4bo$4bo5bo$
9bo!
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Re: Thread For Synthesisable Spaceship Guns

Postby Kazyan » August 23rd, 2015, 2:20 pm

In my experience, the easier spaceship syntheses focus on a phase in which there are a lot of cells that either survive or die by overpopulation. That way, you can build the ship from a core of a still life or oscillator, which you then consult Catagolue and Martin Grant for. (I have no problems outsourcing the synthesis of my trademark large SL cores to our local glider guru.) Underpopulation cell death is acceptable on the outsides of the ship, but close to the center, it's a major monkey wrench. These are all rules of thumb, though--I distinctly recall struggling a lot with an "easy" part of the B29, until the ship of the ship-and-eater solution solved it all fairly easily.

So, my intuition is that generation 3 of that ship is the most tractible. Still not easy, but, then, the only easy ships are standard spaceships, derived-from-standard spaceships, and the loafer. I'll check it out once I'm back at Golly and have some time.
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Re: Thread For Synthesisable Spaceship Guns

Postby gmc_nxtman » August 23rd, 2015, 5:25 pm

Generation 3 seems easiest, as the two halves are seperate, however synthesising them so close to each other might be hard. Perhaps we could start with loops, or 13-heads:

x = 31, y = 21, rule = B3/S23
19bo$18b3o7bo$17b2o2bo5b3o$18bob3o3bo2b2o$17b2obobo2b3obo$20b3o2bobob
2o$20b2o3b3o$22bo3b2o$25bo5$2b2o15b2o$bo2bo13bo2bo5b2o$bob2o13bobo5bo
2bo$2obo13b2ob2o5bobo$3bo22b2ob2o$3b2o$21b2o$21b2o!


Could anyone give me some tips on synthesising spaceships like this? I know that there aren't "Top 10 ways to make synthesis a breeze" and it requires experience, but I think I'm very interested in it now.

Also, I built a gun for the "HWSS and MWSS pulling a block" spaceship. Implemented in p184, using "proper" p184 guns now. I'm sure it can be optimized.

#N P184 Block-puller gun
#O gmc_nxtman, Aug 24 2015
#C Credit to Matthias Merzenich for the synthesis
#C [[ AUTOSTART GRID THEME 4 ]]
x = 187, y = 202, rule = B3/S23
167bo$167b3o$170bo$169b2o$156bo$156b3o$159bo$158b2o13b3o$172bo2b3o$
175b3o$171b3obo2bo$174b3o$170b2o3b2o$171b2o$168b2obo$171b2o2bo$168b3o
6bo5b2o$162b2o7bo2bo3bo4bobo$162b2o4bo3bob2o9bo$167bobo15b2o$167bobo3$
155b2o$155b2o16b2o$174b2o$171bo4bo$154b3o14b2o2bo3b2o$146bo7bo16b4o4bo
bo$145b4ob2obobo25bo$144bo2b3obobo3bo23b2o$143b3o3b2o4b2o18b2o$140bo3b
obobo4bo21bo$138b2o4b3o7b2o14b2o4b3o$134bo4b2o5bo7bo15b2o6bo$134bobo$
134b2o5$170b2o$165b2o2bo2bo$165bobo2b2o$150b2o16b2o$151bo17bo$148b3o
15bo2bob2o$148bo16bobob2obo$166bobo$167bo2b2o$168b2ob3o$174bo$168b2ob
3o$168b2obo2$160b2o$151b2o7b2o$152bo$152bobo$153b2o4$173b2o$154b2o17b
2o$153bobo$155bo3$116b2o40bo$116b2o39bobo$109bo23b2o4b2o16bobo$108bobo
22bo6bo17bo$108bo2bo19bobo6bobo12b3o$109b2o20b2o8b2o12bo$112bo$105bo6b
2o33b2o$104bobo5b2o33b2o$94bo8bo$92b2o10b2o47bo$88bo4b2o49b2o$88bobo
39b2o12b2o7bo$88b2o6bo33bobo2b2o12b2ob2o$95bo36bo3bo7b2o2b2o$95b3o34b
2o2bobo5b2obo5bo$137b2o8bo$153bo$131b2o15bo3b2o$126b2o2bo2bo15b2o$126b
obo2b2o$111b2o16b2o35b2o$112bo17bo35bobo$109b3o15bo2bob2o34bo$109bo16b
obob2obo34b2o$127bobo32b2o$128bo2b2o29bo$129b2ob3o28b3o$91bo43bo29bo$
89b3o37b2ob3o16b2o$88bo40b2obo18bo$88b2o62b3o$102bo18b2o31bo$25bo74b3o
9b2o7b2o$23b3o73bo13bo$22bo76b2o12bobo$22b2o61b3o26b2o$36bo47bo2b2o30b
2o$34b3o46bo3b2o22bo8b2o$33bo50b3o22b3o7bo$33b2o49b2o22bo25b2o$39b2o
46bo20b2o24b2o$39bo45b2o$37bobo45b2o$21bo15b2o35b2o5b2o2b2o$20bo52bobo
9b2o8b2o$19bo2bo2b2o46bo6b3o12b2o22bo$19bo4bo47b2o8b4o32bobo$19b2o3b3o
57b3o11b2o18bobo$8b2o11bo62bob2o9bobo5b2o12bo$7bobo19b2o52b2o2bo9bo7b
2o9b3o$7bo22bo52b2ob2o8b2o18bo$6b2o20bo55bobo$85bo24bo$106b2obobo$48bo
29b2o25bobobobo$46b2o29bobo22bo2bobobobob2o$42bo4b2o28bo24b4ob2o2bo2bo
$42bobo31b2o28bo4b2o$42b2o6bo31b2o20bobo$12b2o35bo33bo20b2o10b6ob2o$
11bobo35b3o28b3o33b6ob2o$11bo68bo30bo11b2o$10b2o98bobo3b2o5b2o$110b2o
4b2o5b2o$116b2o5b2o10b2o$116b2o17b2o$b2o113b2ob6o$o2bo63b6o43b2ob6o$o
2bo63bo5bo$b2o64bo$68bo4bo$70b2o$2b2o118bo2b2o$2b2o117bo3b2o2b2o$76b2o
5b2o36bo7b2o4b3o3b3o$72b2o2b2o5b2o2b2o33b4o9bo2bobo2bo$72b2o13b2o46bo
7bo2$136bo5bo$3b2o132b2ob2o$2bobo88b2o2bo$2bo86b2o2b2o3bo$b2o74bo5bo5b
2o7bo$13b2o61b2o5b2o9b4o$14bo60bob2o3b2obo50bo$14bobo58bob2o3b2obo49bo
bo$15b2o59b3o3b3o44b2o4bobo$76b3o3b3o44b2o3bo3bo$134b2ob2o$134bo3bo$
124b2o9b3o$124b2o9b3o4b2o$142b2o2$9b2o17bo58b3o$10bo18b2o54bo2b2o34b3o
3b3o$10bobo72bo4bo32bo2bo3bo2bo$11b2o41bo29b2o4bo36bobo$24bob2o3b2o20b
2o32bo2bo3b2o27b2o7b2o$25b3o2b2o21bobo20b2o10bobo3b2o27b2o7b2o$25bo4bo
2bo42b2o48bo3bo$31b2o32b2o59b2ob2o$32bo7b2o23bo58b3o3b3o$40bobo16bo2b
2obo22b2o34b2o5b2o$26b2o2bo11bo15bo5bo59bo7bo$30bo11b2o$27bo2bo5b2o19b
o4bo$28bo7bo20b2ob2o$37b3o17b2o$39bo11bo4b3o$25b2o23bobo3b3obo$25bo25b
obobo3b3o$26b3o23bobo4bo9b2o$28bo17b2o5bo2b3ob2o7bo$46b2o5bob6o6bobo$
55bob2o8b2o17b3o5b3o$86bo2b2ob2o2bo$87b3o3b3o35b2o$88bo5bo36b2o2$38b2o
$37bobo$37bo$36b2o$42b2o$43bo50b2o$40b3o51b2o$40bo$53b2o$54bo$51b3o$
51bo!


I am also trying to fill in the gaps of every synthesized spaceship to make a gun, so here is a MWSS on MWSS gun:

#N P144 MWSS on MWSS gun
#O gmc_nxtman
#C Credit to Brett Berger for the glider synthesis
#C Also credit to Bill Gosper, Achim Flammenkamp, Robert Wainwright, David Bell, and Tanner Jacobi
#C for the technology on which this gun is based.
#C [[ AUTOSTART GRID THEME 4 ]]
x = 179, y = 158, rule = B3/S23
21b2o$21b2o3$20bob2o$20bobo$21bo$15b2o4b2o$15b2o4b2o$21b2o$55bo11b2o$
54bobo10b2o$11b2o14b2o13bo3bo3b2o2bobo$12bo12bo2bo11b3o2bobo2bo2b2ob2o
$9bobo13b2o12bo5bobo3bobo$8bo30b2o5bob4o2bob2o$8bo2bo4bo31bo3bobob2o$
10bo4bo31bo3bobo$8bo6bobo28bo3bobo$8bob2o3b2o29b2o3bo$7b2ob2o9b2o$7bo
3bo9b2o2$2o57b2o$2o18b2obo35b2o$13bo7bobo24bo25b2o$14b2o6bo23b2ob2o22b
o2bo$11b2ob2o5b2o20b5o26b2obo$11b2ob2o5b2o4b2o14bo2bo30bo$10bo2bo7b2o
4b2o14bo2bo30b2o$3bo7b3o30b2o16b2o$2bobo8b2o48bo41bobo$2b2o5b2obo47b3o
20b2o19bo$4bo4b2o37b2o10bo12b2o4b2obo2bob2o10b2o2bo4bo$9b2o37bobo21b2o
5b2o2bo4bo10b2obo2bob2o$50bo23bo9bo18b2o$50b2o33bobo$58b2o$58b2o$8b2o
90b2o$8b2o4bo73bo11b2o$6bob2o5b2o46b4o19b5o$4b2o8bobo46b6o17b2o2b2o$5b
3o7bo50bobo18b2o2bo$5bo2bo58bobo6bo11bo2bo$3b2ob2o67b3o10b3o$3b2ob2o
57b2ob2o4b2ob2o$3b2o61b3o$5bo61bo6bobo$2o15b2o56bobo$2o15b2o56b6o$77b
4o3$58b2o24b2o$58b2o24b2o3$87b2o24b2o$87b2o24b2o$92bo$91bo$91bobo$92b
2o$96b2o$95b2o$96bobo$97b2o4b2o$103bobo22b2o$105b2o12b2o7b4o$104b2o12b
2o11bo$108b2o8bo7b6o$108bobo8bo6b4o$110bo4b2o10b3o$109bo5b2o12bo$87b2o
40bo$87b2o2$113bo18b2o$108b3ob2o2b2o10b4o4b2o$108b4o4b2o10b3ob2o2b2o$
112b2o19bo9$27b2o93b2o24b2o$28bo93b2o24b2o$28bobo99b2o$29b2o98bo2bo$
130b2o$135bo$135bo8b2o$134bobo$135bo26bo$134bo2bo24b2o$136bo27bo$135bo
bo21bob4o$126b2o8bo21b2obobo$29b2o48b2o55bo22bob2o$28bobo48b2o59b2o$
28bo110bo2bo7b2o$27b2o111b2o8b2o$53b2o24b2o41b2o$53b2o24b2o41b2o$61b2o
86bobo$60bo2bo84bo18b2o$61b2o2b2o76b2o2bo4bo10b2obo2bob2o$65b3o75b2obo
2bob2o10b2o2bo4bo$64bo2bo79b2o19bo$38b2o25bob2o100bobo$39b3ob2o19b5o$
45bo18bo4bo$39b2obo22b5o$38b3o2bobobo17b2obo$46b2o18bo2bo$66b3o$67b2o
2b2o$40b3o8b2o7bo9bo2bo$40bo2bo7b2o8bo9b2o$41bo17b3o17b2o$79b2o$87b2o$
35bo18b2o32bo$30b3ob2o2b2o10b4o4b2o28bobo35b2o$30b4o4b2o10b3ob2o2b2o
18bo10b2o31b2o2b2o$34b2o19bo20b3o42bobo$75bo46bo$75b2o$60b2o48b2o5b3o
4b2o$61bo48b2o5b3o4bo28bo19b2o$61bob2o52b3o5b3o21b2o2b2ob3o10b2o4b4o$
62bo2bo48b3o10bo21b2o4b4o10b2o2b2ob3o$63b2o49b3o36b2o18bo$78b2o34b3o$
78b2o48b2o$128b2o$136b2o18b2o$135bo2bo17b2o11bo$87bo3b2o43b2o28b2o3bo$
86bobo3bo73bo$85bobo3bo73b2ob2obo$81b2obobo3bo49b3o23bo$81b2obo2b4obo
5b2o39bo3bo23b3o$85bobo3bobo5bo7bo4b2o54bo$81b2ob2o2bo2bobo2b3o7bobobo
2bo26bo3bo$82bobo2b2o3bo3bo10b2ob2o20bo8b3o$70b2o10bobo46b2o$70b2o11bo
47b2o$146b2o$145bo2bo$146b2o$129bo24b2o$128b2o24b2o!


(Sorry for the text wall)

Note: Other than the HWSS eater, have ponds been used very much in circuitry (stable or periodic)? The three most likely catalyses to me are transparent, or -> beehive -> pond. One could probably find some crazy receiver based on converting a ship to a pond, and using a second glider to reset it back- but that seems unlikely. There are also some common SL that are never in any stable circuits like barge, or long snake. There's probably some catalysis of a carrier involving the long side. Barge and long boat I mostly see as transparent, however barges can sometimes replace boats.

Python is largely the same as snake in terms of its catalysis abilities, however there is one exclusive catalyst:

x = 5, y = 5, rule = B3/S23
2ob2o$o3bo$bo$2bo$b2o!
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Re: Thread For Synthesisable Spaceship Guns

Postby Kazyan » September 10th, 2015, 8:59 pm

Synthesis for the spaceship 3 posts above, minus cleanup. Badly needs optimization, but it works:

x = 88, y = 79, rule = B3/S23
21bo$22bo$20b3o$12bo46bo$13bo45bobo13bo$11b3o45b2o13bo$18bo55b3o$16bob
o2bobo45bo$17b2o3b2o40bobo2bobo$14bo7bo41b2o3b2o$15bo49bo7bo$13b3o56bo
$72b3o2$obo$b2o82bobo$bo83b2o$86bo5$41bo$40bobo3bo$33bo7bo3bobo$32bobo
11bo7bo$32bobo5bo12bobo$15bobo15bo5bobo5bo5bobo$16b2o21bobo4bobo5bo15b
obo$16bo18b2o3bo5bobo21b2o$12b3o20bobo9bo3b2o18bo$14bo22bo12bobo20b3o$
13bo23b2o2b2o7bo22bo$40bobo2b2o2b2o23bo$34b2o5bo3bobo$33bobo10bo5b2o$
34bo17bobo$37b2ob2o11bo$37b2obo5b2ob2o$26b2o12bo6bob2o$25bo2bo4b2o2b3o
3bo3bo12b2o$26b2o4bobo2bo4bobo3b3o2b2o4bo2bo$32b2o9bobo4bo2bobo4b2o$
44bobo7b2o$45bo5$9bo$9b2o67bo$8bobo66b2o$77bobo4$13bo$13b2o59bo$12bobo
5bo52b2o$20b2o45bo5bobo$10bo8bobo44b2o$10b2o49b2o3bobo8bo$9bobo48b2o
14b2o$62bo13bobo11$40b3o$40bo2bo$40bo$40bo$41bobo!


The nonspartan three still lifes can be placed like so:

x = 224, y = 29, rule = B3/S23
20bo$19bo$19b3o30bobo$53b2o$53bo6$50b2ob2o35b2ob2o35b2ob2o35b2ob2o35b
2ob2o$bo48b2obo36b2obo5b2ob2o26b2obo5b2ob2o26b2obo5b2ob2o26b2obo5b2ob
2o$2bo7bo42bo39bo6bob2o29bo6bob2o29bo6bob2o29bo6bob2o$3o8b2o37b3o9bo8b
obo16b3o7bo29b3o7bo29b3o3bo3bo29b3o3bo3bo$10b2o38bo10bo9b2o17bo10b3o
26bo5b2o3b3o26bo4bobo3b3o26bo4bobo3b3o$61b3o8bo30bo31bo2bo4bo32bobo4bo
32bobo4bo$125bo9bo2bo38bobo37bobo$9b3o51bo59bobo10b2o40bo39bo$11bo50b
2o60b2o$10bo51bobo64bo$129b2o$98b2o28bobo2b2o40b2o$98bobo31b2o41b2o$
94b2o2bo35bo43b2o$95b2o81bobo$94bo83bo$86b2o$87b2o$86bo!


The other still lifes are spartan and likely to be optimized away soon, so I'm omitting how to place those.

---

Any questions? I can give better tips if you ask specific questions about how I do a synthesis.

Ponds are rarely used in catalytic ways. There's the R-to-G that consists of a pond and and eater, and the honeybit, but otherwise, ponds are only used in places where spartan objects are handy, but don't need to survive--seeds of destruction and one-time-turners.

Other common SLs could be found as catalysts if added to a CatForce run, but I doubt that anything much would happen--even ponds are rare in CatForce results. Still, catalytic longboats and such haven't really been investigated. I do recall one Bellman result in which two cells of a barge/longboat were deleted to turn it into a tub/boat, and then replaced quite a bit later, so maybe you'd find something like that.

Good catch on the python--usually I use a long hook with tail for that particular catalysis, but a python is two cells smaller!
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Re: Thread For Synthesisable Spaceship Guns

Postby dvgrn » September 10th, 2015, 10:52 pm

Kazyan wrote:Synthesis for the spaceship 3 posts above, minus cleanup. Badly needs optimization, but it works...

Wow... Kazyan style! It will be interesting to see how much that collection of bait still lifes can be reduced, but it's maybe more impressive the way it is.

It's probably way too early to worry about optimizing the cleanup, but for the current version it can be done easily with four gliders. For example --

x = 124, y = 100, rule = B3/S23
123bo$121b2o$122b2o17$obo$b2o$bo30bo$33bo$31b3o$23bo46bo$24bo45bobo13b
o$22b3o45b2o13bo$29bo55b3o$27bobo2bobo45bo$28b2o3b2o40bobo2bobo$25bo7b
o41b2o3b2o$26bo49bo7bo$24b3o56bo$83b3o2$11bobo$12b2o82bobo$12bo83b2o$
97bo5$52bo$51bobo3bo$44bo7bo3bobo$43bobo11bo7bo$43bobo5bo12bobo$26bobo
15bo5bobo5bo5bobo$27b2o21bobo4bobo5bo15bobo$27bo18b2o3bo5bobo21b2o$23b
3o20bobo9bo3b2o18bo$25bo22bo12bobo20b3o$24bo23b2o2b2o7bo22bo$51bobo2b
2o2b2o23bo$45b2o5bo3bobo$44bobo10bo5b2o$45bo17bobo$48b2ob2o11bo$48b2ob
o5b2ob2o$37b2o12bo6bob2o$36bo2bo4b2o2b3o3bo3bo12b2o$37b2o4bobo2bo4bobo
3b3o2b2o4bo2bo$43b2o9bobo4bo2bobo4b2o$55bobo7b2o$56bo5$14b2o4bo$13bobo
4b2o67bo3b3o$15bo3bobo66b2o3bo$88bobo3bo4$24bo$24b2o59bo$23bobo5bo52b
2o$31b2o45bo5bobo$21bo8bobo44b2o$21b2o49b2o3bobo8bo$20bobo48b2o14b2o$
73bo13bobo11$51b3o$51bo2bo$51bo$51bo$52bobo!

Does anyone know a standard name for this period-4 c/2 30-cell double-B-heptomino spaceship? Pentadecathlon.com still seems to be down, or I'd look there --
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Re: Thread For Synthesisable Spaceship Guns

Postby mniemiec » September 11th, 2015, 2:51 am

dvgrn wrote:Does anyone know a standard name for this period-4 c/2 30-cell double-B-heptomino spaceship? Pentadecathlon.com still seems to be down, or I'd look there --

A few weeks ago, I was trying to update my collection to use the "standard" names for all the larger spaceships, so I downloaded all of the spaceship collections up to 50 cells (and a few larger ones), which was apparently fortunate in retrospect. This one is called 30P4H2V0.4. This now also means that all known c/2 orthogonal spacehips up to 30 cells have syntheses.
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Re: Thread For Synthesisable Spaceship Guns

Postby gmc_nxtman » September 12th, 2015, 5:35 pm

Kazyan wrote: Any questions? I can give better tips if you ask specific questions about how I do a synthesis.


Well, the first question is simply where do I start? Like looking at a spaceship, how do I find the starting point?

I want to find a synthesis for 37P4H1V0, but I simply don't know how to begin.

By the way, that spaceship can eat a glider:

x = 20, y = 15, rule = B3/S23
3o$bo7bob3o$8b2o2b3o$2b2obob3o3b3o$bo3b5o6bo$bo3bo3b2o3bo$13b2ob2o$17b
o2$17b2o3$18b2o$17b2o$19bo!
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Re: Thread For Synthesisable Spaceship Guns

Postby A for awesome » September 12th, 2015, 5:54 pm

gmc_nxtman wrote:By the way, that spaceship can eat a glider:

x = 20, y = 15, rule = B3/S23
3o$bo7bob3o$8b2o2b3o$2b2obob3o3b3o$bo3b5o6bo$bo3bo3b2o3bo$13b2ob2o$17b
o2$17b2o3$18b2o$17b2o$19bo!

Actually, the glider interacts and destroys the spaceship 1 gen earlier:
x = 21, y = 16, rule = B3/S23
bo$bo8bo$obo5bo3bo$8bo3b2o$5bob2o5b2o$b6o2bo6bo$2b2o6bo3b3o$10bo3bob2o
$13bo$18bo$17bo$17bo2$18b2o$18bobo$18bo!
x₁=ηx
V ⃰_η=c²√(Λη)
K=(Λu²)/2
Pₐ=1−1/(∫^∞_t₀(p(t)ˡ⁽ᵗ⁾)dt)

$$x_1=\eta x$$
$$V^*_\eta=c^2\sqrt{\Lambda\eta}$$
$$K=\frac{\Lambda u^2}2$$
$$P_a=1-\frac1{\int^\infty_{t_0}p(t)^{l(t)}dt}$$

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Re: Thread For Synthesisable Spaceship Guns

Postby Saka » September 12th, 2015, 10:28 pm

Can anyone find a good synthesis for any of the spaceships below?
x = 31, y = 15, rule = B3/S23
18bob2o4bobo$16b6o3bo$15bo6b2o2bo$3b6o5bob6o2bo3b2o$3bo5b2obobobo11b2o
$3bo5b3o2b6o$4bo3bo6b4o2bo$21bo4b4o$4ob2o18b6o$o3b2obo16b2ob4o$o4bobo
2b6o9b2o$bo2bo5bo5bo$10bo$11bo4bo$13b2o!

x = 16, y = 15, rule = B3/S23
5b2o$4obob4o$o2b8o$o3b3ob2o$b3o9bobo$3bo8bo$11b2o2bo$3b3o4b3o$11b2o2bo
$3bo8bo$b3o9bobo$o3b3ob2o$o2b8o$4obob4o$5b2o!

x = 15, y = 23, rule = B3/S23
5bo$2b2obo5bo$bo2b2obobobobo$2ob2obo2bob2o$bob2o$b2o$4bo3b2obobo$2bo6b
3ob2o$2bob4o2bo2b2o$2bo6bo2bo$3b8obo2$3b8obo$2bo6bo2bo$2bob4o2bo2b2o$
2bo6b3ob2o$4bo3b2obobo$b2o$bob2o$2ob2obo2bob2o$bo2b2obobobobo$2b2obo5b
o$5bo!

x = 32, y = 17, rule = B3/S23
3bob2o3bo$b2o3bo3bo2b2o4bo$3bobo3bo4bo2b2o$7b3o2b2ob2o2bo$7b3o3b5obo2b
3obobo$9bo5bobob2o2b4o3bo$10b2o6b2o11bo$10b2o7b11obo2$10b2o7b11obo$10b
2o6b2o11bo$9bo5bobob2o2b4o3bo$7b3o3b5obo2b3obobo$7b3o2b2ob2o2bo$3bobo
3bo4bo2b2o$b2o3bo3bo2b2o4bo$3bob2o3bo!
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x = 17, y = 10, rule = B3/S23
b2ob2obo5b2o$11b4obo$2bob3o2bo2b3o$bo3b2o4b2o$o2bo2bob2o3b4o$bob2obo5b
o2b2o$2b2o4bobo2b3o$bo3b5ob2obobo$2bo5bob2o$4bob2o2bobobo!

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Re: Thread For Synthesisable Spaceship Guns

Postby Kazyan » September 12th, 2015, 10:47 pm

gmc_nxtman wrote:Well, the first question is simply where do I start? Like looking at a spaceship, how do I find the starting point?


Here's how I start:
1. Look at the phases and see if there are resemblances to still lifes or oscillators. The closer to the center, the better.
2. Once you've settled on a phase with the most resemblances, tweak that phase so that it still evolves as the regular spaceship, but looks more constructible.

My start for the 30 cell spaceship looked rather like this, after I threw out a bunch of different approaches:

x = 75, y = 14, rule = B3/S23
63bo$63bo6bo$62b3o5bo$2bo19bo19bobo17b3o4b3o$b3o7bo9b3o7bo10b2o5bobo
17b3o$2o2bo5b3o7b2o2bo5b3o8bo8b2o9bo$bob3o3bo2b2o7bob3o3bo2b2o5bob2ob
2o6bo6b3o2b2o6bo$2obobo2b3obo7b2obobo2b3obo8bobobo2b2ob2obo5bo2bobo2b
2o2b3o$3b3o2bobob2o9b3o2bobob2o10bo3bobobo6bo4bo3bobo2bo$3b2o3b3o12b2o
3b3o13bo4bo19bo4bo$5bo3b2o13bo4b2o12bo5bo12b3o$8bo20bo15bo4bo18b3o$48b
o15b2o$68b2o!


The back was the most tricky--I tried a lot of alternatives, but eventually went back to the original, after I determined that it might be possible to wedge something in between whatever reaction would form the back sparks--this would generate the inner cells of the bottom two dominoes.

Here's how I continue after starting a synthesis, loosely:
3. Determine how to reach the predecessor via applying junk/sparks to the known still lifes and oscillators. Don't worry about the junk seeming reasonable.
4. Figure out how to make the junk from more still lifes and oscillators and other, smaller bits of junk/sparks.
5. Repeat step 4 with each piece of junk until you can reduce everything to gliders, still lifes, oscillators, and sparks.
6. Reduce the sparks to the appropriate collisions.
7. Assemble the still lifes and oscillators via known syntheses and components.

Saka wrote:Can anyone find a good synthesis for any of the spaceships below?


They don't look completely impossible to me, though the difficulties of those spaceships would vary from "frustrating" to "preposterous".
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