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The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

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Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

Postby triller » October 2nd, 2015, 12:19 am

gmc_nxtman wrote:I think he meant how to search for his own conduits, in which case try downloading ptbsearch/bellman/catforce and inputting a herschel.

Ah.
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Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

Postby dvgrn » October 5th, 2015, 4:38 pm

A for awesome wrote:Any hope of restoring this blinker?...

Sorry, meant to answer this sooner. I don't know about a Bellman solution, but here's a related old-hat result. It's possible to restore the useful two-thirds of that blinker, repeatedly, with a p6 pipsquirter:

#C p6 Herschel fanout (64 and 65 steps)
#C The fanout uses Noam Elkies' p6 pipsquirt. One of the two output
#C Herschels (appearing in gen 64) is turned right w.r.t. the input
#C Herschel, the other one (gen 65) is turned left and flipped.
#C Dietrich Leithner, 1 December 1997
x = 30, y = 41, rule = LifeHistory
13.2A$13.A.A$15.A$11.4A.2A$11.A2.A.A.A$9.2A2.2A.A.A$8.A2.2A2.2A.A.2A$
7.A.2A2.2A.A.A.2A$7.A3.2A4.A$8.3A.A.3A$10.A3.A2$12.A$10.2BA$9.5B$5.2B
2.7B$3.D13B2.2B2.2B$.DBD22BD$B3D22BDBD$.D24B3DB$3.25BD$8.B.17B$11.9B.
B$10.8B$10.7B$9.11B$9.12B$9.12B$10.11B$8.4B.4B3CB$8.2A4.4BC2B$9.A4.2B
3C2B$6.3A6.6B$6.A8.7B$17.B.4B$20.4B$21.3B$23.B2A$23.BA.A$26.A$26.2A!

I guess that this didn't make it into Hersrch in the form of Lx65p6 and Rx64p6 conduits, only because lower-period forms of both conduits were available. Makes it easy to forget about this nice Herschel-splitting reaction, though.

It might be worth looking at this again, especially if higher-period pipsquirters are found. I guess p7 or p8 pipsquirters wouldn't work, though -- haven't checked higher periods.

Or... I don't remember if this Herschel splitter has been thoroughly checked against the current gun collection. Seems as if it would be easy enough to attach a syringe to the input. But it would only work for p6N, of course.
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Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

Postby Kazyan » October 7th, 2015, 5:42 pm

Found this R-to-G while doing related things--it's either new or just not in the October edition of the elementary conduits collection.

x = 23, y = 16, rule = LifeHistory
9.2A8.A$8.B2A2B4.3A$9.4B3.A$7.6B3.2A$6.6B.B.3B$6.5B2.3B$6.2BC9B$6.2B
2C9B$5.2B2C10B$4.15B$3.14B.B2A$2.4B2.B2.5B2.BA.A$.D3B6.2B8.A$D3B8.AB
7.2A$3D8.A.A$11.2A!
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Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

Postby chris_c » October 7th, 2015, 6:24 pm

I searched for conduits that involved a very early catalysis of a Herschel, aiming to find a new dependent conduit that was compatible with the Syringe. I had no luck in that regard but I did find a couple of interesting reactions:

x = 68, y = 25, rule = LifeHistory
64.B$.B61.3D$.2B60.BDB$.3B6.A51.2B3D$.4B5.3A49.5B$2.4B7.A48.6B$3.4B5.
2A48.6B$4.4B4.5B45.5B$5.4B5.6B41.6B$6.4B2.8B3.BA36.7B$7.11B2A3BA.A34.
8B$8.10B2A4BA34.8B$9.13B.B33.11B$10.BC7BD2B34.C7BD3B$9.3BC6BDBDB31.3B
C6BDBD$8.4B2C5B3DB31.3B2C5B3D$8.3B2C8BDB31.2B2C8BD$9.2BC10B32.2BC9B$
10.7B2.B35.9B2A$13.3B42.6B2A$12.2B.2B40.8B$12.3B2AB39.6B$3C9.2B.2A28.
3C9.4B$2.C9.2B33.C9.2B2AB$.C44.C12.2A!


I think the first one is only compatible with one of the R->H conduits, giving a new R-G:

x = 35, y = 27, rule = LifeHistory
7.4B$8.4B$9.4B6.A$10.4B5.3A$11.4B7.A$12.4B5.2A$13.4B4.5B$8.4B2.4B5.6B
$7.6B2.4B2.8B3.BA$7.8B.11B2A3BA.A$7.20B2A4BA$2.3B.11B.13B.B$2.7BC18BD
2B$.8B2C17BDBDB$8B2C18B3DB$.29BDB$2.29B$2.2B2A20B2.B$2.BA2BA12B4.2B$
3.ABA12B6.2B$3.BA13B5.B2AB$3.16B5.2A$3.16B$5.13B$5.13B$5.12B$12.B!


The second gives a tolerable B->G, or a B->H if you have a bit more time and space:

x = 130, y = 79, rule = LifeHistory
107.2A$105.2B2AB$105.4B$105.6B$105.8B$93.7B.B4.6B2A$93.13B.B2.2B2A$
91.C22B$91.BC21BD$90.2B2C18B3DB$18.2A69.2B2C2B2A15BDBD$18.2A69.2BC3B
2A15BD3B$91.11B3.11B$91.10B5.9B$92.6B7.4B.6B$4.7B.B10.2A68.3B8.4B2.6B
$4.13B.B4.2A68.B9.13B$2.C21B68.2A8.4B.10B$2.BC21BD66.A8.4B3.9B$.2B2C
18B3DB63.A.A7.4B5.8B$2B2C2B2A15BDBD64.2A7.4B7.7B6.2A$2BC3B2A15BD3B71.
4B8.2B3D2B6.A$2.11B3.2B2.7B70.4B9.2BD4B3.BA.A$2.10B9.5B70.4B10.B3D4B
2.B2A$3.6B12.6B68.4B11.11B$4.3B14.6B67.4B12.11B$4.B12.10B9.2A55.4B13.
11B$3.2A13.10B8.A55.4B15.11B$3.A15.10B4.BA.A54.4B16.2B.7B$4.A15.12B.B
2A54.4B16.11B$3.2A16.13B55.4B17.10B$21.2B3D8B54.4B16.12B$21.2BD9B42.
2A10.4B15.13B$21.B3D10B41.A9.4B15.17B$21.14B39.A10.4B16.18B$21.13B40.
5A5.4B5.2A8.2AB.13B2A2B$21.14B44.A4.4B5.A8.A.AB3.4B.6B2AB$22.13B41.3A
B2.7B.BA.A8.A8.B4.8B4.2A$25.10B40.A.2B3.7B.B2A8.2A15.6B4.A$24.11B3.2A
35.4A12B26.7B.BA.A$23.12B3.A34.2A2.BA3B2A7B26.6B.2B2A$24.12BA.A33.A2.
3AB.2B2A7B27.8B$23.13B2A34.2A.A.B3.10B27.8B$23.13B39.A8.8B25.8B$23.
13B39.2A7.9B24.7B$21.2AB2.10B49.3B2.4B14.2A7.6B$20.A.AB2.10B47.5B3.4B
14.A6.2B3D2B$20.A6.9B47.2A7.4B13.A.AB3.4BD2B$19.2A5.8B.B2A46.A8.4B13.
2AB2.4B3DB$24.B.7B2.BA.A42.3A10.4B4.A9.11B$23.2A9B4.A42.A13.4B3.3A7.
11B$23.2AB.8B3.2A56.4B5.A6.11B$24.B2.7B2A61.4B3.2AB4.11B$29.B3.BA.A
61.4B2.3B5.7B6.2A$28.3B5.A62.4B2.3B4.8B5.A$27.B2AB5.2A54.2A6.8B5.8B.B
A.A$28.2A63.A6.21B.B2A$93.A.AB2.24B$94.2AB.25B$96.27B$96.26B$96.26B$
96.22B.B$97.20B$98.18B$100.15B$101.13B$101.12B$100.12B$100.6B.4B$101.
9B$101.8B$100.8B$100.7B$101.5B$101.3D2B$102.BDB$102.3D$103.B!
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Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

Postby Kazyan » October 11th, 2015, 8:15 pm

Non-spartan backwards R-to-B:

x = 17, y = 17, rule = LifeHistory
11.2A$6.2A2.A.A$6.A3.A4.A$7.3A.5A$2A7.A.A$.A7.A.A.3A$.A.A6.2A.A2.A$2.
2A11.2A4$7.C$6.3C$6.C$6.2D2.D$7.3D$8.D!


Normally that large catalyst is equivalent to an Eater 3, but in this case, the reaction specifically uses the catalyst's weird way of sticking out a few cells while recovering in order to delete an annoying block.
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Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

Postby Kazyan » October 14th, 2015, 11:28 pm

G22 receiver:

x = 30, y = 40, rule = B3/S23
14bo$15bo$13b3o10$28bo$27bobo$27bobo$28bo5$27b2o$27b2o$2o12bo$2o13bo$
13b3o2$25b2o$25bobo$27bo$4b2o5b2o3b2o9b2o$3bobo4bo2bo2b2o4b2o$3bo6bo2b
o8bobo$2b2o7b2o10b2o2$20b2o$21bo$9b2o7b3o$10bo7bo$7b3o$7bo!


Now, how to actually get the signal out?

EDIT: New R-to-G. Known lane, different timing:

x = 12, y = 25, rule = B3/S23
10b2o$10bo$8bobo$8b2o$4b2o$4bobo$5b2o6$bo$b2o$2o7b2o$9b2o5$8b2o$8bo$9b
3o$11bo!
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Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

Postby Kazyan » October 16th, 2015, 9:52 pm

Apologies for serial posting, but this knocked my socks off:

x = 36, y = 38, rule = LifeHistory
25.3D$24.D2BD$24.3BDB$23.D3BDB$24.3BD2B$23.BDBD2B$24.6B$23.6B$24.6B$
23.6B$24.6B$23.6B$24.6B$23.6B$24.6B$23.6B$24.6B$16.B6.6B$15.3B6.6B$
13.6B4.7B$7.4B2.7B3.8B$7.25B$4.4BD24B$2A2.4BDBD20BD2B$.2A2.3B3DB2A16B
DBD2B$2A2.6BDB2A16BDBD2B$A3.3B2.22BD4B$9.26B$11.B2.20B$14.19B$14.17B$
14.18B$15.5B.11B$15.4B2.12B$22.4B.2BA3B$27.BABA2B$28.2A2B$30.B!


Yep, that's a direct H->MWSS. The only issue is the leftover beehive, but it can easily be worked around with things like this:

x = 50, y = 63, rule = LifeHistory
39.3D$38.D2BD$38.3BDB$37.D3BDB$38.3BD2B$37.BDBD2B$38.6B$37.6B$38.6B$
37.6B$38.6B$37.6B$38.6B$37.6B$38.6B$7.2A28.6B$6.B2AB28.6B$7.2B21.B6.
6B$2.B3.2B21.3B6.6B$.2AB.4B18.6B4.7B$.2A8B10.4B2.7B3.8B$2.B.B2A6B2.2B
2.27B$5.2A15BD24B$5.17BDBD20BC2B$.21B3DB2A16BCBC2B$.23BDB2A16BCBC2B$
2A43BC4B$2A14B.B5.26B$.B.11B11.B2.20B$3.10B15.19B$4.12B12.17B$3.14B
11.18B$4.13B12.5B.11B$4.13B12.4B2.12B$6.2B.4B3DB18.5B.2BA3B$10.4BD2B
17.4B3.BABA2B$10.2B3D2B16.4B5.2A2B$11.6B15.4B8.B$11.7B13.4B$11.8B11.
4B$12.8B9.4B$12.9B7.4B$11.6B.13B$11.7B.5BC5B$12.6B2.4B3C2B$12.7B.4BCB
C3B$11.15BC2B$11.18B$10.18B$6.B3.19B$5.2AB.15B2.4B$5.2A18B2.4B$6.B.3B
2A12B3.4B$9.2B2A11B5.4B$10.2B2.10B6.4B$9.2B3.6B.B9.4B$8.B2AB2.4B14.4B
$9.2A3.2B2AB14.3B$16.2A16.4B$36.2A$36.A$37.3A$39.A!
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Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

Postby biggiemac » October 16th, 2015, 10:00 pm

Wow. That's a nice find for sure! How well can it be hooked up to a syringe? G->MWSS and MWSS->G are both pretty simple now.

Also it is spartan.. A real gem.
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Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

Postby Kazyan » October 16th, 2015, 10:25 pm

Here's one way to do it, with a repeat time of 157:

x = 81, y = 52, rule = B3/S23
7b2o$7b2o3$b2o$b2o$5b2o$5b2o$45bo$26b2o16bobo$26b2o16bobo$2o43bo$2o7$
43bo$42bobo$42b2o4$52bo23bo$50b3o22bo$49bo25b3o$36b2o11b2o11bo$36b2o
24b3o$65bo$64b2o$79b2o$79bo$76b2obo$5b2o68bo2bo$5b2o69b2o$11b2o48b2o$
11b2o17b2o29b2o$30bo$31b3o$9b2o22bo$9b2o5b2o30b2o3bo$16b2o30bo3bobo$
49bo3bobo$36b2o12bo3bobob2o$37bo10bob4o2bob2o$34b3o10bobo3bobo$34bo12b
obo2bo2b2ob2o$48bo3b2o2bobo$56bobo10b2o$57bo11b2o!


There's probably room for improvement, though.
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Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

Postby Scorbie » October 16th, 2015, 11:05 pm

What the!!! Real congrats to Kazyan!
Another possibility is to use the beehive up to make a herschel or glider pair, I think. So that the reaction goes:
G + hive -> H or 2G
2G or H -> MWSS + the same hive
for a spartan G->MWSS.
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Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

Postby gmc_nxtman » October 16th, 2015, 11:07 pm

dvgrn wrote:I hadn't noticed before that the LWSS->G mechanism accepts MWSSes perfectly happily. So now there are small fast 45-degree and 135-degree MWSS->G converters.

-- Uh-oh. If a direct H-to-LWSS or H-to-MWSS is found, quite possibly a fair fraction of the gun collection will suddenly be obsolete again (because orthogonal signals fit so much better into long thin minimum-area bounding boxes)... Ah, well, time enough to burn that bridge if we come to it.


Correct:

x = 17, y = 26, rule = B3/S23
16bo$14b3o$13bo$13b2o$2o$bo$bobo$2b2o$10b2o$9bo2bo$6bo3b2o$4bo3bo$9bo$
4bo4bo$5b5o$13b2o$13bo$14b3o$16bo$9b2obo$2o3b2o2b2ob3o$o2bo2bo8bo$b5o
3b2ob3o$10bobo$3b2obo3bobo$3bob2o4bo!
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Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

Postby biggiemac » October 16th, 2015, 11:22 pm

I mean, the 45-degree one is longer known and smaller.
x = 43, y = 9, rule = B3/S23
35b2o$35bobob2obo$37bobob2o$37b2o$20bo$b3o14bo3bo$5o18bo16b2o$3ob2o12b
o4bo16b2o$3b2o14b5o!


I'll update this post with any gun improvements I find.

For now, here's a G->MWSS by a different mechanism that isn't too useful, repeat time 475, but the lane is unblocked during recovery.
x = 192, y = 143, rule = LifeHistory
189.BA$188.2A.B$189.2A21$166.A$166.A.A$166.2A60$36.2A$35.A.A$29.2A4.A
$27.A2.A2.2A.4A$27.2A.A.A.A.A2.A$30.A.ABABAB$30.A.AB2AB$31.AB.2B$34.
3B$34.4B6.2A$32.3B2AB6.A$32.3B2AB3.BA.A$30.10B.B2A$29.13B$28.14B48.A$
27.15B48.A.A$26.4B2.8B50.2A$25.4B5.6B$24.4B4.9B$9.A13.4B5.2A4.4B$9.3A
10.4B7.A5.4B$12.A8.4B5.3A7.4B$11.2A7.4B6.A10.4B$11.5B3.4B19.4B$13.3B
2.4B21.4B$3.2A7.9B23.4B$3.A8.8B25.3B$2A.A.B3.10B27.2B$A2.3AB.2B2A7B
28.B$.2A2.BA3B2A7B$3.4A12B33.6B$3.A.2B3.7B.B2A32.6B$4.3AB2.7B.BA.A2.
2A26.6B$7.A4.4B5.A2.A28.6B$2.5A5.4B5.3A2.A25.6B12.A$2.A10.4B7.3A26.6B
11.A.A$4.A9.4B5.A21.B6.6B12.2A$3.2A10.4B4.2A19.3B6.6B$8.2A6.9B17.6B4.
7B$9.A7.6B13.4B2.7B3.8B$9.A.2A5.6B3.B2.2B2.27B$10.A2.A4.19BD24B$11.2A
B3.20BDBD20BC2B$12.14B2A9B3DB2A16BCBC2B$13.13B2A11BDB2A15B.CBC2B$14.
46BC10B2A2B$14.17B.B5.32BA2BAB$15.15B10.B2.27BA2BAB$15.15B13.28B2A2B$
16.13B14.17B.3B.10B$18.13B12.18B5.9B$17.8B4.2A.A11.5B.11B7.7B$17.6B6.
2AB3A9.4B2.12B4.9B$17.5B8.B4.A15.4B.2BA3B4.2A4.2B$17.B.B9.2A.3A21.BAB
A2B5.A$18.3B9.A.A24.2A2B3.3A$17.B2AB9.A.A26.B4.A$18.2A11.A!


Stable G-> MWSS with very few non-spartan elements.. and an atrocious repeat time. Should be way improvable, Hersrch isn't really up to date anymore.
x = 105, y = 171, rule = LifeHistory
7$83.2A$83.2A5.2A$90.2A$54.2A$55.A$37.2B15.A14.2A17.2A$36.4B14.2A14.A
17.2A$36.4B15.B14.A.A21.2A$32.B2.6B14.3B13.2A21.2A$31.2AB.2B2A2B13.6B
16.6B$31.2A3BA2BA3B.B8.10B11.8B$32.2B.2B2A7B3.2B2.11B3.2B2.B$35.18BD
3B2A13B$36.17B2D2B2A13B$36.18B2D16B$36.18BD17B$35.18BD18B$33.B.13B2.B
4.13B.3B23.A$32.2AB.12B7.7B.B5.3B21.3A$32.2A4BD9B44.A$33.2B.B3D7B45.
2A$28.A7.D2B2D6B18.2A$29.A6.10B18.A.A$27.3A6.6B22.A$36.7B20.2A$34.8B$
34.8B$33.9B.BA$33.10BA.A$32.3B.7B.2A$31.12B18.A$31.6BD5B18.3A35.2A$
31.B2.2B2CD4B2.3B16.A34.2A$31.B.2BA2BC3B.6B5.2A7.2A$32.4B2A9BA2B5.A$
24.B.B.B.7B.8BABA6.A.A$23.24B2A7.2A36.2A$23.25B46.2A$23.23B52.2A$23.
24B51.2A$23.24B$23.B.B.B.B.16B$33.14B45.2A$33.13B6.A23.2A14.2A$33.11B
7.A.A22.A$32.13B7.A14.2A8.3A$31.15B21.A11.A$30.16B22.3A$29.17B24.A$
30.16B$31.13B10.2A$31.5B2A2B13.A.A$33.3B2A2B13.A$34.8B10.2A$68.2A.A$
68.A.2A2$61.2A$61.2A$46.A$46.3A$49.A$48.2A10$34.2A36.A$34.2A34.3A$25.
2A42.A$25.A2.A40.2A$21.2A4.2A$22.A20.2A$22.A.A18.A$8.2A13.2A16.A.A$8.
2A31.2A2$74.2A$2.2A70.A$2.2A68.A.A$6.2A64.2A$6.2A2$58.2A$57.A.A$.2A
54.A$.2A32.2A19.2A$35.2A2.2A$39.A.A$41.A32.2A.A$41.2A31.A.2A$33.2A$
34.A32.2A$27.2A5.A.A30.2A$27.2A6.A.A$36.A3.2A$40.2A12.A$8.2A34.2A8.3A
$9.A34.A12.A$6.3A33.A.A11.2A$6.A35.2A5$9.2A4.2A$9.2A4.2A2$77.2A$77.A$
14.2A59.A.A$10.2A2.2A59.2A$9.A.A$9.A$8.2A28.2A$38.A$39.3A$41.A6$74.2A
$58.2A14.2A$59.A$56.3A$56.A4$30.2A$30.2A30.A$39.2A21.3A$37.A2.A24.A$
37.2A4.2A19.2A$21.2A20.A16.2A$22.A18.A.A16.A$22.A.A16.2A19.A$23.2A36.
2A6$58.2A$58.2A17.2A$77.2A3$29.2A47.2A$25.2A2.2A47.A$24.A.A38.2A12.3A
$24.A41.A14.A$23.2A38.3A$63.A!
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Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

Postby Scorbie » October 16th, 2015, 11:25 pm

Huh!! Didn't notice that LWSS/MWSS to G. A lot of interesting discoveries recently! Congrats to gmc-nxtman!
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Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

Postby gmc_nxtman » October 16th, 2015, 11:29 pm

The MWSS-to-G that I posted is from Ivan Fomichev.

EDIT: In retrospect, I should've credited him in the original post...
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Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

Postby Scorbie » October 17th, 2015, 2:59 am

Whoops. Sorry for serial posting... But Congrats to Ivan!!

And another important thing:
Kazyan's H-MWSS is a dependent component! Can that work directly with the syringe-variant-with-eater2-that-only-dependent-conduits-can-follow? This leaves the beehive but it greatly increases glider constructibility, I think!
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Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

Postby biggiemac » October 17th, 2015, 4:00 am

It definitely works, one of the patterns I posted above uses the dependent syringe to feed the new MWSS conduit. The beehive is a bit of a nuisance though, and after trying to get some advantage out of the surplus beehive for a few hours to no avail I think preceding this H->MWSS by a pair of R64s is probably our best bet for a good repeat time or for spartan design.
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Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

Postby Scorbie » October 17th, 2015, 4:19 am

I see... I guess the silver reflector variant G-H with two R64s attatched (or something similar) would be the best spartan G->MWSS for now, then.
EDIT: Can anyone try to find a bellman catalyst to clean up that hive?
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Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

Postby simeks » October 17th, 2015, 7:07 am

Kazyan wrote:Yep, that's a direct H->MWSS.

This is amazing!

This may not be very useful, but I noticed a glider can do the same trick as the boat, which leaves a block to clean up instead of the hive:

x = 24, y = 38, rule = LifeHistory
8.E$7.E2.E$7.E3.E$7.E3.E2.2A$6.2E3.E2.2A$7.E2.E11$9.2A$9.2A5$20.E$20.
3E$20.E.E$22.E6$2.2A$.A.A16.2A$.A18.A$2A4.2A13.3A$7.A15.A$4.3A$4.A!
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Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

Postby chris_c » October 17th, 2015, 10:25 am

Kazyan wrote:Yep, that's a direct H->MWSS.


Wow. I was actually working on some composite G->*WSS recently. Didn't expect a direct one to show up so soon. Congratulations!

Using the new G->MWSS mechanism I can get a repeat time of 98 with fairly reasonable bounding box:

x = 127, y = 65, rule = LifeHistory
80.2A11.A$79.B2AB9.A.A26.B$80.3B9.A.A24.2A2B$79.B.B9.2A.3A21.BABA2B$
79.5B8.B4.A15.4B.2BA3B$79.6B6.2AB3A9.4B2.12B$79.8B4.2A.A11.5B.11B$80.
13B12.18B$78.13B14.17B$77.15B13.19B$77.15B10.B2.20B$76.17B.B5.26B$76.
51B$75.13B2A13B2A21B$74.14B2A13B2A21B$73.2AB3.46B$72.A2.A4.44B$71.A.
2A5.6B3.B2.2B2.27B$71.A7.6B13.4B2.18B$70.2A6.9B17.9B.7B$42.A34.4B4.2A
19.6B3.6B$42.3A31.4B5.A21.4B3.6B$38.A6.A29.4B7.3A17.4B5.6B$B36.A.A4.
2A28.4B10.A16.4B5.6B$BC35.A.A4.5B24.4B27.4B7.6B$2BC32.3A.2A5.4B11.A
10.4B27.4B7.6B$3CB30.A4.B5.5B9.3A9.4B27.4B9.6B$.4B23.A6.3AB2AB2.6B8.A
11.4B27.4B9.6B$2.4B22.3A6.A.2AB2.6B.2B5.2A9.4B27.4B11.6B$3.4B24.A7.
21B8.4B27.4B11.6B$4.4B10.A11.2A3.B5.17B9.4B17.2A8.4B13.6B$5.4B7.3A11.
8B2.15B2A2B7.4B14.A.A2.A7.4B3.A9.6B$6.4B5.A16.22BA2BA2B5.4B13.3A.2A8.
4B3.A.A9.6B$7.4B4.2A15.23B2A3B4.4B13.A4.B8.4B4.A.A8.6B$2A6.9B14.19B3.
9B.4B11.A2.4AB2AB5.4B4.2A.2A8.6B$.A7.6B14.21B4.12B12.3A3.A.2AB.2B.4B
6.B10.6B$.A.2A5.6B3.B2.2B2.25B4.10B16.A4.10B6.2AB2A3.2A3.6B$2.A2.A4.
34B4.4B3.9B16.2AB4.9B6.2A.A.A.A.A2.6B$3.2AB3.27B.6B6.4B.9B17.5B.12B3.
4B2.A.A5.6B$4.14B2A16B2.B.5B5.4B.7B20.23B.2A.2A3.6B$5.13B2A16B7.2A6.
10B19.25B10.6B$6.29B8.A8.4B.2B7.A13.25B9.6B$6.17B.B.2B16.3A6.4B7.3A
12.27B9.6B$7.15B4.3B17.A7.4B5.A15.27B8.6B$7.15B5.A2B.2A22.4B4.2A15.
25B10.6B$8.13B5.A.A2B.A15.2A6.9B14.21B.4B.2B2.2A2.6B$10.13B2.A.AB2.A
17.A7.6B14.20B5.3B2ABA2.A3.6B$9.8B4.2A.A.A3.A18.A.2A5.6B3.B2.2B2.20B
10.ABAB3A3.6B$9.6B6.2ABA2.4A.A17.A2.A4.36B10.A.A8.6B$9.5B8.B2.A.A3.A.
A17.2AB3.27B.9B8.3A.5A3.6B$9.B.B9.2A.2A2.A2.A.A18.14B2A16B2.7B8.A3.A
4.A4.6B$10.3B9.A.A2.2A3.A20.13B2A16B3.5B9.2A2.A.A6.6B$9.B2AB9.A.A29.
29B5.3B15.2A7.6B$10.2A11.A30.17B.B.2B10.7B21.6B$55.15B4.3B9.2A.B.2A
22.6B$55.15B5.A2B.2A6.A3.A22.6B$56.13B5.A.A2B.A3.3A5.3A20.6B$58.13B2.
A.AB2.A4.A9.A19.6B$57.8B4.2A.A.A3.A36.6B$57.6B6.2ABA2.4A.A33.6B$57.5B
8.B2.A.A3.A.A33.6B$57.B.B9.2A.2A2.A2.A.A32.6B$58.3B9.A.A2.2A3.A34.6B$
57.B2AB9.A.A41.6B$58.2A11.A43.6B!


I found getting better compression at a similar size difficult because the clean-up glider would need to come from the other side. For compression equal to that of the Syringe here are the best G->MWSS and G->LWSS that I could up with (they are optimised versions of the patterns here):

x = 543, y = 300, rule = B3/S23
358bo11b2o$357bobo10b2o$41bo11b2o294bo3b2o2bobo$40bobo10b2o293bobo2bo
2b2ob2o$32bo3b2o2bobo291b2o12bobo3bobo$31bobo2bo2b2ob2o291bo13bob4o2bo
b2o$17b2o12bobo3bobo295bobo13bo3bobob2o$18bo13bob4o2bob2o292b2o12bo3bo
bo$18bobo13bo3bobob2o296b2o7bo3bobo$19b2o12bo3bobo300b2o7b2o3bo$23b2o
7bo3bobo283b2o16bo$23b2o7b2o3bo284b2o35b2o$5b2o16bo314b3o16b5o$5b2o35b
2o312bo4bo$21b3o16b5o311bo2b3o5b2o$39bo4bo311b2o2bo6bobo7b2o$39bo2b3o
5b2o306b2o7bo8bo2bo$39b2o2bo6bobo7b2o255b2o20bo37b2obo$41b2o7bo8bo2bo
254b2o21b2o38bo$2o20bo37b2obo316b2o$2o21b2o38bo270bo30b2o$63b2o268b2o
31bo$17bo30b2o282b2obo27b3o7bo$16b2o31bo283bobo14b2o11bo8bobo$15b2obo
27b3o7bo277b2o14bo21bo2bo$16bobo14b2o11bo8bobo293b3o20bo$17b2o14bo21bo
2bo294bo$34b3o20bo320b2o$36bo297bo23b2o17bo2bo$61b2o272b2o22bo17bobo$
17bo23b2o17bo2bo270b2o23bobo16bo$18b2o22bo17bobo286bo10b2o12b3o$17b2o
23bobo16bo285b3o24b2o$32bo10b2o12b3o286bo$30b3o24b2o287b2o16b2o$29bo
301b2o30bo2bo14b2o$29b2o16b2o283bo30bo2bo14b2o$14b2o30bo2bo14b2o266bob
2o26b5o$15bo30bo2bo14b2o267bo2bo22b2ob2o$15bob2o26b5o284bobo24bo$16bo
2bo22b2ob2o296b2o$17bobo24bo291bobo2bo2bo$26b2o309bo2b2o4bo127b2o11bo$
19bobo2bo2bo312b2o6bo125b2o10bobo$20bo2b2o4bo310bo2b2ob3o137bobo2b2o3b
o$23b2o6bo308bo3b5o9bo3b2o121b2ob2o2bo2bobo$23bo2b2ob3o308bo16bobo3bo
112b2o11bobo3bobo12b2o$23bo3b5o9bo3b2o297bo11bobo3bo112bo9b2obo2b4obo
13bo$23bo16bobo3bo294bo2bo7b2obobo3bo113b3obo5b2obobo3bo13bobo$27bo11b
obo3bo108b2o185b3o8b2obo2b4obo5b2o108b2o8bobo3bo12b2o$24bo2bo7b2obobo
3bo109bobo199bobo3bobo5bo104bo4bo9bobo3bo$24b3o8b2obo2b4obo5b2o102bo4b
2o189b2ob2o2bo2bobo2b3o104bo2b2obo10bo3b2o$39bobo3bobo5bo98b4ob2o2bo2b
o188bobo2b2o3bo3bo13bo92bo5bo35b2o$35b2ob2o2bo2bobo2b3o99bo2bobobobob
2o176b2o10bobo26bo91b5obo36bo$36bobo2b2o3bo3bo13bo90bobobobo179b2o11bo
25b3o88b2obo3bo38bobo$24b2o10bobo26bo90b2obobo308b3o2b3o40b2o$24b2o11b
o25b3o94bo64b2o244b2o2b2o$207b2o17bo240b2o23bo$146b2o60bo17bobo237bo2b
o23b3o$147bo7b2o38bo11bo19b2o236bob2o27bob2o32b2o$147bobo5b2o38b3o9b2o
256bo28bo4bo21b3o8b2o$148b2o48bo265b2o30b3o19b2obobo$185b2o10b2o237bo
42b2o37bo2bobo$186bo54b2o193b3o40bo36b3o$119bo66bobo52b2o189bo6bo40b3o
24b2o7b2o$119b3o54bo10b2o242bobo4b2o36bo5bo11b2o11b2o8bo$115bo6bo51b3o
23bo9b2o15bo203bobo40b3o18bo$114bobo4b2o50bo25b3o8b2o15bobo199b3ob2o
20bo10b3o4bo18b3o$114bobo41b2o8bo4b2o18b3o3bob2o24b3o198bo24b3o12bo4b
2o17bo$112b3ob2o20bo10b3o6bo7bobo25b2o6b2o25bo192bo6b3ob2o5bo11bo14bo
15bo$111bo24b3o12bo7b3o5b2o31b3o219b3o6bob2o3bo13b2o28bobo26b2o$105bo
6b3ob2o5bo11bo14bo11bo37b2o198bo24bo56bobo2b2o3bo19bo$105b3o6bob2o3bo
13b2o22b2o2bo234bobo11bo11b2o11b2ob2o6b3o30b2ob2o2bo2bobo15b3o$83bo24b
o49bo2b2o236b2o9b3o16bo7b2o2bo6b2o35bobo3bobo15bo10b2o$81bobo11bo11b2o
11b2ob2o6b3o24b2o17bo42b2o187bo17b3o9bo9bo3bo27b2obo2b4obo26bobo$82b2o
9b3o16bo7b2o2bo6b2o42b3o23b2o18bo187b2o15bo4bo17bo2bo28b2obobo3bo30bo$
92bo17b3o9bo9bo3bo36bo4bo22bo16b3o173b2o29bo3b4o17b3o32bob2o2bo$92b2o
15bo4bo17bo2bo37bobo26b3o9b2o2bo176bo33b2ob2o52bo5bo$77b2o29bo3b4o17b
3o37bo30bo10bo179bob2o27bo5bo54bo3b2o$78bo33b2ob2o68bo3b2o23bo181bo2bo
27bo2b2o43bobo10bo17bo$78bob2o27bo5bo68bobo3bo23b2o2b2o6bo9bobo158b2o
23bo5bo46b2o2bo24b3o$79bo2bo27bo2b2o68bobo3bo27bobo6b2o11bo182bobo53b
3o22bo$80b2o23bo5bo67b2obobo3bo23b4obo7bobo11bo167bo14b2o13b2o64b2o24b
2o$105bobo71b2obo2b4obo21bo2bob2o17bo2bo167b2o28bo22b2o39b3o25b3o$90bo
14b2o13b2o61bobo3bobo45b3o168bo29b3o19bo2b2o35b3o26b3o$90b2o28bo58b2ob
2o2bo2bobo215bo3b2o27bo20b2o2bo33b2obo25bob2o$91bo29b3o56bobo2b2o3bo
221b2o7bo3b2o23bobo11bo37bobo23b3o$90bo3b2o27bo44b2o10bobo227b3o7bobo
3bo24b2o8b3o30bo4b2o4bo23bo$95b2o7bo3b2o23bobo32b2o11bo22b2o198bo4bobo
7bobo3bo25bo8bo7b2o23bo3b5o2bo$93b3o7bobo3bo24b2o50b2o17bo20b2o175bo3b
o2bo4b2obobo3bo35b2o7b2o4b2o20b3ob3o$87bo4bobo7bobo3bo25bo52bo17bobo
18bo188b2obo2b4obo41bo6bo21bo13b2o$86bo3bo2bo4b2obobo3bo66bo11bo19b2o
16bobo178bobo11bobo3bobo48b3o15bo16b2o$98b2obo2b4obo64b3o9b2o36b2o189b
2ob2o2bo2bobo50bo11b2o$88bobo11bobo3bobo66bo33b2o203bobo2b2o3bo64bo$
98b2ob2o2bo2bobo53b2o10b2o32bob2o190bo11bobo69b3o8b2o$99bobo2b2o3bo55b
o43b2obobo189b2o11bo70bo11bo$87bo11bobo63bobo41bo2bob2o234b2o45b3o$87b
2o11bo54bo10b2o45b2o234bobo5b2o38bo$153b3o29bobo18bo3b4o235bo7b2o$152b
o33b2o17bo242b2o$152b2o33bo17b3o$137b2o323bo$138bo319b2obobo$138bob2o
21bo293bobobobo$139bo2bo11b2o8b2o288bo2bobobobob2o$140b2o23b2o287b4ob
2o2bo2bo$151b2o3bo10bo31b2o257bo4b2o$151bo10b5o13b2o18bo255bobo$151bo
13bo14bo16b3o256b2o$152bo2bo25b3o13bo17b2o$183bo32bo$164bo3b2o43b3o$
163bobo3bo43bo$162bobo3bo$158b2obobo3bo$158b2obo2b4obo$162bobo3bobo$
158b2ob2o2bo2bobo67bobo$159bobo2b2o3bo67bo$147b2o10bobo75bo290b2o$147b
2o11bo76bo2bo286b3o$237b3o287b3o$527b2obo$528b3o$529bo2$521b2o15bo$
520bobo13b3o$520bo14bo$517b2ob2o13b2o$518bobo$517bo2bobo$517b2o2b2o3$
520bob2o9bo$518b3ob2o8bobo$517bo14bobo$518b3ob2o9bo$520bobo3b2o11b2o$
520bobo2bobo11bobo$521bo3bo15bo$524b2o15b2o7$524bobo$524b2o$525bo3$
236bobo$239bo$239bo$236bo2bo$237b3o5$229bo15b2o$229b3o13bobo$232bo14bo
$231b2o13b2ob2o$247bobo257bo$242bo2bobo2bo254b2o$237bo2bobo2b2o2b2o
255b2o$236bo3bo2$234bo3b2o4bo2bo$233bobo8bo2b3o$233bobo9bo4bo$234bo9b
2ob3o$227b2o11b2o3bobo$226bobo11bobo2bobo$226bo15bo3bo$225b2o15b2o5$
241bo$242bo$240b3o244bobo$487b2o$488bo15$260bo$258bobo209bo$259b2o207b
2o$469b2o15$278bo$279bo$277b3o170bobo$450b2o$451bo15$297bo$295bobo135b
o$296b2o133b2o$432b2o15$315bo$316bo$314b3o96bobo$413b2o$414bo15$334bo$
332bobo61bo$333b2o59b2o$395b2o15$352bo$353bo$351b3o22bobo$376b2o$377bo
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Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

Postby Scorbie » October 17th, 2015, 10:28 am

Kazyan's discovery made me install Golly. Oh well.
Here are my attempts towards slow-salvo constructible G->M.
Pure spartan: (repeat time 497?)
x = 104, y = 132, rule = LifeHistory
49.3D$48.D2BD$48.3BDB$47.D3BDB$48.3BD2B$47.BDBD2B$48.6B$47.6B$48.6B$
47.6B$48.6B$47.6B$48.6B$47.6B$48.6B$17.2A28.6B$16.B2AB28.6B$17.2B21.B
6.6B$12.B3.2B21.3B6.6B$11.2AB.4B18.6B4.7B$11.2A8B10.4B2.7B3.8B$12.B.B
2A6B2.2B2.27B$15.2A15BD24B$15.17BDBD20BC2B$11.21B3DB2A16BCBC2B$11.23B
DB2A16BCBC2B$10.2A43BC4B$10.2A14B.B5.26B$11.B.11B11.B2.20B$13.10B15.
19B13.2B$14.12B12.17B13.5B$13.14B11.18B10.7B$14.13B12.5B.11B9.9B12.2A
$14.13B12.4B2.12B8.15B6.A$16.2B.4B3DB18.5B.2BA3B2.2A5.16B.BA.A$20.4BD
2B17.4B3.BABA2B3.A5.16B.B2A$20.2B3D2B16.4B5.2A2B4.A.AB2.18B$21.6B15.
4B8.B6.2AB.19B$21.7B13.4B18.21B$21.8B11.4B19.21B$22.8B9.4B4.B.7B7.23B
$22.9B7.4B.13B4.B2.B.22B9.A$21.6B.29BD30B6.3A$21.7B.5BD21BD32B4.A$22.
6B2.4B3D18B2D33B3.2A$22.7B.4BDBD15B2A2B2D37B5.B$21.15BD15B2A3BD35B5.
5B$21.19B2.2B3.11B.36B2.6B$20.18B10.10B3.41B2A$16.B3.19B12.6B7.B2.33B
.B2A$15.2AB.15B2.4B13.3B11.33B2.B$15.2A18B2.4B14.B13.2B.28B$16.B.3B2A
12B3.4B13.2A11.4B.28B$19.2B2A11B5.4B13.A11.B2AB2.27B$20.2B2.10B6.4B
11.A13.2A3.27B$19.2B3.6B.B9.4B10.2A18.23B$18.B2AB2.4B14.4B30.20B$19.
2A3.2B2AB14.3B31.15B$26.2A16.4B32.13B$46.2A31.15B$46.A32.16B$47.3A29.
17B$49.A29.16B$81.13B$80.4B.2B2E5B$79.4B2.2B2E3B$78.4B2.8B$69.2E6.E4B
3.2B3D3B$68.B2EB4.EBEB5.3BD4B$62.4B3.2B4.BE2BE6.2B3D2B$61.9B2.5B2E7.
7B$57.20B9.6B$57.20B9.6B$57.19B3.B6.5B$56.25B2.B.6B$54.38B$B52.39B$2B
50.39B$3B48.40B.2B$4B46.4B3.30B2E4B2E$.4B44.4B7.18B3.6B2E2B.B2E$2.4B
42.4B9.2B.10B.B7.B2.5B2.B$3.4B40.4B13.9B13.6B$4.4B38.4B15.11B12.4B$5.
4B36.4B16.12B10.B2E2B$6.4B34.4B17.12B11.2E.B2E$7.4B32.4B19.11B14.BE.E
$8.4B30.4B18.4B.8B17.E$9.4B28.4B19.2E4.7B17.2E$10.4B26.4B21.E4.7B$11.
4B24.4B19.3E6.6B$12.4B22.4B20.E8.7B$13.4B20.4B30.8B$14.4B18.4B32.8B$
15.4B16.4B33.9B$16.4B14.4B33.6B.4B$17.4B12.4B34.7B.4B$18.4B10.4B36.6B
2.4B$19.4B8.4B37.6B3.4B$20.4B6.4B38.6B4.4B$21.4B4.4B38.8B4.4B$22.4B2.
4B38.8B6.4B$18.E4.8B22.E16.9B6.4B$16.3E5.6B21.3E16.9B7.4B$15.E9.4B21.
E18.10B8.4B$15.2E7.6B20.2E17.3B2E5B9.4B$5.2E6.4B6.8B17.4B11.2E3.4B2E
5B10.4B$6.E6.2B7.4B2.4B15.3B14.E3.11B11.4B$6.E.EB2.5B4.4B4.4B14.4B13.
E.E12B12.4B$7.2EB2.B2E2B.B.4B6.4B12.5B8.2E4.2E2.8B15.4B$8.4BE2BE7B.2B
.3B.4B11.6B8.E9.7B4.2E10.4B$9.4B2E27B2.8B8.E.EB7.6B4.E12.4B$9.16B2E
26B8.2EB.3B3.6B.BE.E13.4B$11.14B2E25B11.14B.B2E15.4B$11.32B.7B12.16B
18.4B$10.42B12.14B20.4B$9.9B6.2B3.2B2.19B11.16B20.4B$8.9B19.17B8.18B
21.3B$7.4B.5B21.15B.2B2.20B23.2B$6.4B3.3B23.38B25.B$5.4B2.7B21.8B.20B
.7B$4.4B3.2E.B.2E19.8B3.2B2E16B2.6B$3.4B5.E3.E20.2E3.B5.2B2E16B3.6B$
2.4B3.3E5.3E18.E10.18B6.4B$.4B4.E9.E15.3E12.B.3B.4B12.B2E2B$3CB31.E
19.4B14.2E.B2E$2.C51.4B18.BE.E$.C51.4B22.E$52.4B23.2E$51.4B$50.4B$49.
4B!

Spartan + one eater2: repeat time ??? (EDIT: turns out to be the same as Kazyan's, which is 157.)
x = 130, y = 135, rule = LifeHistory
39.3D$38.D2BD$38.3BDB$37.D3BDB$38.3BD2B$37.BDBD2B$38.6B$37.6B$38.6B$
37.6B$38.6B$37.6B$38.6B$37.6B$38.6B$7.2A28.6B$6.B2AB28.6B$7.2B21.B6.
6B$2.B3.2B21.3B6.6B$.2AB.4B18.6B4.7B$.2A8B10.4B2.7B3.8B$2.B.B2A6B2.2B
2.27B$5.2A15BD24B$5.17BDBD20BC2B$.21B3DB2A16BCBC2B$.23BDB2A16BCBC2B$
2A43BC4B$2A14B.B5.26B$.B.11B11.B2.20B$3.10B15.19B13.2B$4.12B12.17B13.
5B$3.14B11.18B10.7B$4.13B12.5B.11B9.9B12.2A$4.13B12.4B2.12B8.15B6.A$
6.2B.4B3DB18.5B.2BA3B2.2A5.16B.BA.A$10.4BD2B17.4B3.BABA2B3.A5.16B.B2A
$10.2B3D2B16.4B5.2A2B4.A.AB2.18B$11.6B15.4B8.B6.2AB.19B$11.7B13.4B18.
21B$11.8B11.4B19.21B$12.8B9.4B4.B.7B7.23B$12.9B7.4B.13B4.B2.B.22B9.A$
11.6B.29BD30B6.3A$11.7B.5BD21BD32B4.A$12.6B2.4B3D18B2D33B3.2A$12.7B.
4BDBD15B2A2B2D37B5.B$11.15BD15B2A3BD35B5.5B$11.19B2.2B3.11B.36B2.6B$
10.18B10.10B3.41B2A$6.B3.19B12.6B7.B2.33B.B2A$5.2AB.15B2.4B13.3B11.
33B2.B$5.2A18B2.4B14.B13.2B.28B$6.B.3B2A12B3.4B13.2A11.4B.28B$9.2B2A
11B5.4B13.A11.B2AB2.27B$10.2B2.10B6.4B11.A13.2A3.27B$9.2B3.6B.B9.4B
10.2A18.23B$8.B2AB2.4B14.4B30.20B$9.2A3.2B2AB14.3B31.15B$16.2A16.4B
32.13B$36.2A31.15B$36.A32.16B$37.3A29.17B$39.A29.16B$71.13B$71.3B.2B
2A5B$69.4B2.2B2A3B$69.2A3.8B$70.A4.2B3D3B$67.3A5.3BD4B$67.A8.2B3D2B$
76.7B$68.A7.6B$67.A.A6.6B$67.A.A6.5B$65.3A.2A4.6B$64.A4.B6.6B$65.3AB
2AB3.7B$67.A.2AB.8B$71.10B$71.6B2A3B$71.6B2A2B5.2A$71.10B5.A$70.11B2.
BA.A$70.12B.B2A$69.15B$68.16B$65.2B.16B$64.2A18B$64.2AB.17B$65.B.4B.
8B2.4B$72.7B4.4B$73.6B5.4B$75.4B6.4B$77.3BA5.2B2C$78.BA.A5.BCBC$79.A.
A6.C3B$80.A8.4B$81.3A6.4B$83.A7.4B$92.4B$93.4B$94.4B$95.4B$96.4B$97.
4B$98.4B$99.4B$100.4B$101.4B$102.4B$103.4B$104.4B$105.4B$106.4B$107.
4B$108.4B$109.4B$110.4B$111.4B$112.4B$113.4B$114.4B$115.4B$116.4B$
117.4B$118.4B$119.4B$120.4B$121.4B$122.4B$123.4B$124.4B$125.3BC$126.B
2CB$127.CBC!

If we use 2G pairs, we could try something like this:
x = 81, y = 84, rule = LifeHistory
35.C$33.C.CB$34.2C2B$35.4B$36.4B$37.4B$38.4B$39.4B$40.4B$41.4B$42.4B$
43.4B$44.4B$45.4B$46.4B11.B.2B$47.4B9.5B$48.4B8.7B$49.4B6.9B.B$50.4B
6.7B.B2A$51.4B5.9B2A$52.4B3.8B.2B4.A$39.3D11.4B.9B5.3A$38.D2BD11.15B
3.A$38.3BDB7.2B.17B.2A$37.D3BDB6.2A22B$38.3BD2B5.2AB.18B$37.BDBD2B7.B
.20B$38.6B9.18B.B$37.6B11.20B$38.6B10.20B$37.6B12.18B$38.6B12.5B2A10B
$37.6B13.5B2A10B$38.6B13.15B2.B2A$37.6B15.15B.B2A.2B$38.6B15.20B2A$7.
2A28.6B16.20B2A$6.B2AB28.6B16.17B.2B$7.2B21.B6.6B18.15B$2.B3.2B21.3B
6.6B18.14B$.2AB.4B18.6B4.7B18.13B$.2A8B10.4B2.7B3.8B18.10B$2.B.B2A6B
2.2B2.27B17.10B$5.2A15BD24B17.8B$5.17BDBD20BC2B16.8B$.21B3DB2A16BCBC
2B12.10B$.23BDB2A16BCBC2B11.2BD8B$2A43BC4B9.3B3D6B$2A14B.B5.26B11.3BD
6B$.B.11B11.B2.20B12.10B$3.10B15.19B8.2A.7B.3B$4.12B12.17B10.A.A10B$
3.14B11.18B10.AB.9B$4.13B12.5B.11B13.8B$4.13B12.4B2.12B12.8B$6.2B.4B
3DB18.5B.2BA3B11.7B$10.4BD2B17.4B3.BABA2B12.6B$10.2B3D2B16.4B5.2A2B9.
10B$11.6B15.4B8.B9.6B2D2BD$11.7B13.4B19.7B3DB.2B$11.8B11.4B19.9BD4B2A
$12.8B9.4B4.B.7B7.12B.B2A$12.9B7.4B.13B4.B2.13B.B$11.6B.29BD18B$11.7B
.5BD21BD18B$12.6B2.4B3D18B2D18B$12.7B.4BDBD15B2A2B2D17B$11.15BD15B2A
3BD18B$11.19B2.2B3.11B2.2B3.7B2A2B.2B$10.18B10.10B8.B.3BA2BA3B2A$6.B
3.19B12.6B13.2B2A2B.B2A$5.2AB.15B2.4B13.3B14.6B2.B$5.2A18B2.4B14.B15.
4B$6.B.3B2A12B3.4B13.2A14.4B$9.2B2A11B5.4B13.A15.2B$10.2B2.10B6.4B11.
A$9.2B3.6B.B9.4B10.2A$8.B2AB2.4B14.4B$9.2A3.2B2AB14.3B$16.2A16.4B$36.
2A$36.A$37.3A$39.A!


In order to shoot down the problematic hive in Kazyan's converter, you should either
1) Shoot a backwards glider and turn 180 degrees.
2) Shoot a forwards glider and turn 90 degrees.
Conduits shooting forward gliders are not that common, and I think the only ones useable are the following:
x = 172, y = 72, rule = LifeHistory
50.B$48.4B$47.6B$46.2B2C4B3.3B$45.2BC2BC3B.6B$44.4B2C9BA2B$28.B.B.B.B
.B.B.B.16BABA$26.33B2A$24.5D31B$24.D4BD28B$24.D34B$25.D3BD29B$27.D.B.
B.B.B.B.B.B.16B$45.14B$45.13B$42.14B$41.16B$40.18B$39.19B$38.20B$37.
4B.16B$36.4B3.13B$35.4B4.5B2A2B$34.4B7.3B2A2B$33.4B8.8B$32.4B8.3B3D2B
$31.4B9.4BD3B$30.4B10.2B3D2B$29.4B11.7B$28.4B13.6B$27.4B14.6B$26.4B
16.5B102.4B$25.4B17.6B15.B86.4B$24.4B17.6B15.2B87.4B$23.4B18.7B6.A6.
3B88.4B$22.4B14.2A4.6B4.3A5.4B89.4BD$21.4B16.A4.6B3.A7.4B91.2B3D$20.
4B17.A.AB.6B3.2A5.4B93.2D2BD$19.4B19.2AB.11B4.4B93.6B$18.4B22.11B5.4B
94.7B$17.4B24.11B3.4B94.8B$16.4B24.18B2.B2A91.8B$15.4B23.23B2AB90.8B$
8.A5.4B11.A12.26B87.AB.9B$A6.A.A3.4B12.3A7.B.27B86.A.A11B$3A4.BA2B.4B
16.A5.2A27B87.2A.11B$3.A4.2B.4B16.2A5.2A26B92.11B$2.2A2.3B.4B17.4B4.B
.21B.2B83.2A8.4BD6B$2.12B5.7B.B5.3B6.20B87.A8.3B3D5B$4.10B5.13B.4B.4B
.20B86.A.AB5.3BD7B$4.2BC10BD45B87.2AB.3B.10B$4.2B2C10BD21BD22B89.17B$
4.B2C11B2D18B3D20B.B2A87.17B$4.13B2D2B2A15BDBD19B2.BA.A87.16B$5.12BD
3B2A15BD21B5.A86.19B$6.22B3.2B2.26B4.2A83.21B$6.3B.B3.B2.10B11.22B88.
22B2A$18.6B16.19B89.2BD17B.B2A$19.3B18.18B89.3BDBD4B.9B3.B$19.B20.17B
91.2B3D4B2.6B$18.2A20.17B90.5BD4B2.6B.2B$18.A22.4B2.9B90.10B4.7B2A$
19.A28.7B90.4B10.6B.B2A$18.2A28.7B90.3B12.6B.B$48.6B89.4B13.6B$48.6B
89.2A15.5B$49.5B90.A15.4B$47.2AB.2B88.3A14.5B$46.A.AB91.A16.2A$46.A
112.A$45.2A109.3A$156.A!
I coudn't hook the first one an input and I didn't try to finish the second one.
Last edited by Scorbie on October 19th, 2015, 8:17 am, edited 3 times in total.
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Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

Postby gmc_nxtman » October 17th, 2015, 10:47 am

I was thinking something like this:

x = 35, y = 58, rule = B3/S23
18bo$16b3o$15bo$15b2o$2o$bo$bob2o$2bo2bo23bo$3b2o9bo14bo$15b2ob2o9b3ob
2o$14b2o2b2o11bob2o7$21b2obo2bo3b2o$21b2ob4o2bobo$30bo$21b2ob2o3b2o$
22bobo$22bo2bo$23b2o2$10b2o$9bo2bo$10b2o9bo$20bobo$21b2o15$10b2o$10b2o
10$10bo$9b3o$9bob2o!
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Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

Postby Scorbie » October 17th, 2015, 11:15 am

@gmc_nxtman Yep, I hope there are something good along these lines! Would be better if the whole thing was spartan. I'm pretty sure there are a LOT of hive consuming syringes.
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Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

Postby calcyman » October 17th, 2015, 11:40 am

Spartan G-to-MWSS:

x = 112, y = 110, rule = LifeHistory
14.2A$7.2A3.2B2AB$6.B2AB2.4B$7.2B3.6B.B24.A$8.2B2.10B20.3A$7.2B2A11B
19.A$4.B.3B2A12B18.2A$3.2A18B14.6B6.A$3.2AB.15B14.5B6.3A$4.B3.15B12.
7B4.A$8.17B10.8B3.2A$9.19B2.2B2.14B$9.37B$10.7B.28B3.2A$10.6B2.27B4.A
$9.7B2.27B.BA.A$9.6B4.28B2A$10.6B10.4B.17B$10.5B12.19B45.A$9.6B13.16B
10.A34.3A$9.6B14.15B8.3A15.A17.A9.2A3.2A$8.7B15.14B7.A18.3A15.2A7.B2A
B.B2AB$8.7B.B6.A7.13B3.B3.2A20.A12.4B4.B3.3B2.2B$8.8B5.3A8.12B.8B19.
2A11.3B4.4B.3B.3B$8.8B4.A12.18B21.B11.13B.7B5.2A$9.8B3.2A12.17B19.3B
9.23B5.A$9.3B2A2B2.4B13.17B16.6B4.8B.19B.BA.A$7.5B2A2B.3B16.18B11.10B
2.29B.B2A$7.13B17.20B2.2B3.44B$6.16B16.31B2A37B$5.18B14.9B.22B2A37B$
6.20B12.7B2.60B$7.20B11.5B4.58B$8.18B3.2A9.5B3.59B$9.16B4.A13.2A10.4B
.13B4.25B3.2A$5.20B.BA.A13.A12.4B4.B.7B4.B4.20B3.A$2.23B.B2A15.3A10.
4B15.2A7.15B6.3A$27B19.A11.4B14.A12.11B8.A$26B33.4B11.A.A11.13B$28B
32.4B10.2A11.15B$.28B32.4B21.16B$.29B32.4B19.17B$3.28B32.4B19.16B$3.
28B33.3B20.13B$6.25B34.4B18.5B2A2B.3B$6.23B.B2A34.2A20.3B2A2B2.4B$7.
22B.BA.A33.A21.8B3.2A$7.2B.11B.6B5.A34.3A17.8B4.A$12.9B2.4B6.2A35.A
17.8B5.3A$13.7B2.B2A2B61.7B8.A$11.7B5.2A63.7B$6.2A2.8B71.6B$5.A.A12B
69.6B$5.A3.11B70.5B$4.2A3.4B2A5B70.6B$10.3B2A5B69.6B$10.10B69.7B$11.
9B70.6B$11.9B70.6B$11.8B71.6B$12.8B69.8B$13.6B69.8B$13.6B4.2A63.9B$
13.6B4.A64.9B$12.7B.BA.A63.10B$12.6B2.B2A64.3B2A5B$13.8B60.2A3.4B2A5B
$13.8B61.A3.11B$12.8B62.A.A12B$12.7B58.2A4.2A2.8B$12.6B27.B11.2A19.A
9.7B4.2A$11.7B25.2A2B10.A.A18.A.AB7.6B4.A$11.7B24.BABA2B11.A19.2AB.3B
3.6B.BA.A$7.2B.8B19.4B.2BA3B11.2A20.14B.B2A$5.13B12.4B2.12B2.2A8.B20.
16B$5.13B12.5B.11B3.A.A7.3B19.14B$4.14B11.18B4.AB6.6B13.19B$5.12B12.
17B.5B3.B2.10B10.19B$4.10B12.B2.40B3.2B2.20B$2.B.11B8.B2.B2.29BD3B2A
15BD15B$.2A14B.B5.34B2D2B2A15BDBD4B.7B$.2A43BA12B2D18B3D4B2.6B$2.23BD
B2A16BABA11BD21BD4B3.6B$2.21B3DB2A16BABA10BD26B6.4B$6.17BD22BA8B5.13B
.4B12.B2A2B$6.2A15BD31B5.7B.B4.4B14.2A.B2A$3.B.B2A6B2.2B2.34B18.4B18.
BA.A$2.2A8B10.4B2.7B3.17B17.3B22.A$2.2AB.4B18.6B4.7B.4B2.4B14.2AB24.
2A$3.B3.2B21.3B6.6B8.4B12.A.AB$8.2B21.B6.6B10.4B11.A$7.B2AB28.6B10.4B
9.2A$8.2A28.6B12.4B$39.6B12.4B$38.6B14.4B$39.6B14.4B$38.6B16.4B$39.6B
16.4B$38.6B18.4B$39.6B18.4B$38.6B20.B3A$39.6B20.A3B$38.6B22.A3B$39.6B
22.4B$38.6B24.4B$39.6B24.4B$38.6B26.4B$39.6B26.4B$38.6B28.4B$39.6B28.
4B!
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Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

Postby Scorbie » October 17th, 2015, 11:51 am

@Calcyman I guess that's about the best we could get with Hersrch?
How about using Simkin's B-to-B to turn the B upwards closer and faster?After all, the hive is symmetrical :wink: (Or something along these lines)
And as I said above, a hive-consuming syringe with the output heading upwards would be nice.
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Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

Postby Scorbie » October 17th, 2015, 12:18 pm

Very unlikely, but any chance of a MWSS heisenburp?
x = 12, y = 12, rule = LifeHistory
9.A$7.A3.A$6.A$6.A4.A$6.5A4$.2A$A2.A$.A.A$2.A!
And there is a slight slight possibility that MWSS reflectors are as cheap as glider reflectors...
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