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The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

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Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

Postby Scorbie » September 29th, 2015, 1:16 pm

D->G3?+B, pretty astonishing but lacking an input:
x = 15, y = 8, rule = B3/S23
3bob2o$b3ob2o$o$b3ob2o$3bobo6b3o$3bobo5bo2bo$4bo5bo2bo$11b2o!

Here are some other goodies with the same base:
x = 30, y = 18, rule = B3/S23
24bob2o$22b3obo$21bo4bobo$21bob2ob2obo$22bobo4bo$24bob3o$23b2obo4$3bob
2o$b3ob2o$o$b3ob2o$3bobo6b3o$3bobo5bo2bo$4bo5bo2bo$11b2o!

x = 33, y = 17, rule = B3/S23
3bob2o$b3ob2o$o$b3ob2o$3bobo6b3o$3bobo5bo2bo$4bo5bo2bo9b2o$11b2o9bo2bo
2b2o$22bobo4bo$23bo5bob2o$26b2obobo$26bo2bo2bo$23bo4bo2b2o$23b5o2$25b
2obo$25bob2o!

And a seemingly accessible D->G. Not sure if this is known:
x = 23, y = 30, rule = B3/S23
o$3o$3bo$2b2o13$4b3o$3bo2bo$2bo2bo$3b2o2$21b2o$19bo2bo$19b3o$16bo$16b
6o$21bo$16b3o$15bo2bo$15b2o!

Here are a list of interesting perturbations: pretty ones, hopeful ones etc.
x = 275, y = 211, rule = B3/S23
113b2o$112bobo$110b3obobo$109bo4b2obo$109bob2o4bo$110bobob3o$112bobo$
112b2o$66bo$66b3o$69bo$9b2o57bo$9b2o56bo81b3o11b2o67b2o$67b2o79bo2bo
11b2o66bobo$147bo2bo80b2o$148b2o2$228b2o$3b3o4b2o24b3o4b2o111bob2o24b
3o41b2o$2bo2bo4b2o23bo2bo4b2o28b3o6b2o24b3o11b2o30b3obo24bo2bo$bo2bo
29bo2bo34bo2bo6b2o23bo2bo11b2o29bo4bobo21bo2bo21b2o$2b2o31b2o34bo2bo
31bo2bo43bob2ob2obo21b2o22b2o33b3o$72b2o33b2o45bobo4bo79bo2bo$156bob3o
79bo2bo$155b2obo82b2o31$227bo$227b3o$230bo$229b2o3$118b2o39b2o$46b2o5b
2o63b2o39b2o$47bo5b2o20b3o$47bobo24bo2bo75b2o$48b2o23bo2bo12b2o62b2o$
13b2o59b2o13bobo92b3o$5b3o5b2o76bo91bo2bo$4bo2bo83b2o15b3o71bo2bo$3bo
2bo71b2o27bo2bo72b2o10b2o$4b2o9b2o61b2o26bo2bo84bo2bo$15bo91b2o86b2o
34b3o$16b3o34b3o64b2o108bo2bo$18bo33bo2bo64bo23b3o51b2o29bo2bo$51bo2bo
66b3o19bo2bo51bo31b2o$52b2o69bo18bo2bo53b3o$143b2o56bo24$3bo$3b3o$6bo
7b2o$5b2o7bo$12bobo$12b2o2$42b2o192b2o$42b2o21b2o24b2o143bobob2o$65bo
25b2o103b3o39bobo$63bobo79b2o48bo2bo38b2obo$63b2o36b3o40bobo9b3o35bo2b
o42bob2o$8b3o89bo2bo40bo10bo2bo36b2o43bobo13b3o$7bo2bo39b3o46bo2bo40b
2o9bo2bo53b2o26b2obobo10bo2bo$6bo2bo39bo2bo47b2o53b2o54bobo29b2o9bo2bo
$7b2o39bo2bo64b2o53b2o32bo7bo41b2o$49b2o65bobo52bobo29b3o7b2o56b2o$
118bo54bo28bo68bobo$118b2o53b2o27b2o69bo$273b2o24$72bo125bo$70b3o124bo
bo$59b2o8bo21b2o104bobo$13bo46bo8b2o21bo102b3ob2o$2o9b3o46bobo29bobo
99bo$bo8bo50b2o30b2o100b3ob2o$bobo6b2o185bob2o$2b2o142b3o93b2o$145bo2b
o92bobo9b3o$144bo2bo93bo10bo2bo$145b2o93b2o9bo2bo$252b2o$64b3o$63bo2bo
32b3o168b2o$5b3o54bo2bo32bo2bo64b2o100bo2bo$4bo2bo55b2o32bo2bo56b2o7bo
bo99b3o$3bo2bo91b2o57b2o5bobob3o34b3o57bo$4b2o111bo45bob2o4bo32bo2bo
57b6o$116bobo44bo4b2obo31bo2bo63bo$117b2o45b3obobo33b2o9b2obo46b3o$
166bobo46b2ob3o43bo2bo$167b2o52bo42b2o$215b2ob3o$216bobo$216bobo$217bo
6$5bo$4bobo$4bobo$2b3ob2o$bo$2b3ob2o$4bob2o4$79bob2o$79b2obo2$77b5o$
77bo4bo2b2o$80bo2bo2bo$12b3o65b2obobo$11bo2bo62bo5bob2o$10bo2bo9b2o51b
obo4bo35b2o$11b2o9bo2bo2b2o46bo2bo2b2o34bobo$22bobo4bo31b3o13b2o40bo$
23bo5bob2o27bo2bo$26b2obobo27bo2bo40b3o$26bo2bo2bo27b2o40bo2bo$23bo4bo
2b2o68bo2bo$23b5o49b2o23b2o$76bo2bo2b2o38b2o$25b2obo47bobo4bo37bo2bo2b
2o$25bob2o48bo5bob2o34bobo4bo$80b2obobo36bo5bob2o$80bo2bo2bo38b2obobo$
77bo4bo2b2o38bo2bo2bo$77b5o40bo4bo2b2o$122b5o$79b2obo$79bob2o41b2obo$
124bob2o!
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Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

Postby Extrementhusiast » September 29th, 2015, 7:08 pm

Here's a two-catalyst partial H-to-D of the "other" type (likely difficult cleanup required)
x = 34, y = 24, rule = LifeHistory
17.3D$16.D2.D$15.D2.D$16.2D7$27.2A.2A$27.2A.A2.A$30.A.2A$30.A$29.2A$
26.A.A2.2A$26.2A2.A2.A$31.2A3$3C7.2A$.C8.A.A$.3C8.A$12.2A!
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Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

Postby A for awesome » September 29th, 2015, 7:58 pm

Is this B-G known?:
x = 13, y = 14, rule = LifeHistory
8.2C$9.C$B5.3C$2B4.C$6B5.2C$7B3.C.C$.6B3.C$2.2BC3B.2C$.2B3C2BC$.B2CBC
3B2C$.7B2.C$2.3B4.C$3.B6.3C$12.C!
x₁=ηx
V ⃰_η=c²√(Λη)
K=(Λu²)/2
Pₐ=1−1/(∫^∞_t₀(p(t)ˡ⁽ᵗ⁾)dt)

$$x_1=\eta x$$
$$V^*_\eta=c^2\sqrt{\Lambda\eta}$$
$$K=\frac{\Lambda u^2}2$$
$$P_a=1-\frac1{\int^\infty_{t_0}p(t)^{l(t)}dt}$$

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Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

Postby Scorbie » September 29th, 2015, 8:02 pm

A for awesome wrote:Is this B-G known?:
x = 13, y = 14, rule = LifeHistory
8.2C$9.C$B5.3C$2B4.C$6B5.2C$7B3.C.C$.6B3.C$2.2BC3B.2C$.2B3C2BC$.B2CBC
3B2C$.7B2.C$2.3B4.C$3.B6.3C$12.C!
Yep, discovered twice, actually...
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1599&p=20341&hilit=B-to-G#p20341
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1599&p=21770&hilit=B-to-G#p21769
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Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

Postby dvgrn » September 29th, 2015, 8:21 pm

A for awesome wrote:Is this B-G known?

Nice one! EDIT: It wasn't in the elementary conduits collection, anyway -- and it's perfectly workable. It attaches to simsim314's BRx46B conduit with no trouble, and BRx46B attaches to lots of things. I've added it to the collection now. The standardized name is BSE1T1.

That's the fifteenth B-to-G converter in the collection so far, though I'm sure a few known ones haven't been collected yet:

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x = 625, y = 284, rule = LifeHistory
205.420D30$482.4D2.D3.D.5D.5D.5D2.3D3.3D36.4D3.3D2.5D4.D3.3D2.5D2.3D
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13B57.28B$8.45D7.49D11.11D14.31D32.B2AB3.31B5.3B55.13B58.3B2D6B61.7BD
11B57.30B$8.45D7.47D13.11D14.31D32.3B4.31B63.12B60.2BD7B59.9B2D8B.B2A
55.29B$8.11D17.18D30.21D15.11D14.31D33.B5.31B64.10B61.7B.3B58.8B2D9B.
BA.A52.30B$8.11D20.16D27.21D17.12D13.31D31.4B3.33B.BA62.8B2.B60.B.B3.
B2A58.8BD9B5.A51.D30B$8.11D22.14D26.21D18.12D13.31D31.21B.B4.B2A11BA.
A64.5B.B2A59.B2AB2.BA.A57.16B7.2A48.3BD23B.4B$8.11D23.13D24.21D20.12D
13.31D31.4BD16B7.2A11B.2A64.7B2A60.2A4.B2A56.5B2.9B57.4B2D21B2.3B$8.
11D24.13D21.21D23.11D14.29D32.5BD16B10.8B68.6B.B65.4B56.4B7.6B57.3B2D
22B4.AB$8.11D25.12D20.20D25.11D16.26D32.6B2D15B11.6B69.5B68.2A57.4B
10.3B59.2BD23B3.A.A$8.11D26.11D18.20D27.11D29.11D33.6B2D15B13.3B70.4B
71.A56.4B11.3B59.26B3.2A$8.11D26.11D18.19D28.12D28.11D34.5BD17B85.2AB
69.3A56.4B13.B62.24B$8.11D26.11D18.17D31.11D28.11D34.23B86.A70.A141.
2B2A18B$8.11D26.11D18.15D33.12D27.11D38.B4.B2A9B4.2A79.3A215.2A2B4.2B
.8B$8.11D26.11D18.13D35.13D26.11D44.2A10B3.A80.A219.B9.6B$8.11D25.12D
18.12D37.13D25.11D48.9BA.A309.7B$8.11D24.13D19.9D39.15D23.11D49.6B.B
2A310.6B$8.11D21.15D21.6D42.16D19.13D49.8B312.8B$3.52D69.20D11.17D49.
4B2A2B310.5B3.2A$2.53D70.47D51.BABAB311.2AB5.A$.53D72.46D52.BA314.A7.
3A$53D74.45D365.3A10.A$53D75.44D365.A$51D78.42D$50D80.39D$.47D84.35D$
2.44D89.30D$3.40D95.24D$143.14D25$205.4D3.3D2.5D3.D3.5D.5D2.3D31.4D3.
3D2.D3.D3.D3.5D2.3D2.5D2.3D8.4D3.3D2.5D3.D3.5D.5D2.3D$205.D3.D.D3.D.D
6.2D3.D7.D3.D3.D30.D3.D.D3.D.D3.D2.2D5.D3.D3.D.D5.D3.D7.D3.D.D3.D.D6.
2D3.D7.D3.D3.D$205.D3.D.D5.D7.D3.D7.D7.D30.D3.D.D5.D3.D3.D5.D7.D.D5.D
2.2D7.D3.D.D5.D7.D3.D7.D7.D$205.4D3.3D2.3D5.D4.3D4.D6.D31.4D3.3D2.D.D
.D3.D5.D6.D3.3D2.D.D.D7.4D3.3D2.3D5.D4.3D4.D6.D33.4D3.3D2.D3.D2.3D2.
5D.5D2.3D$205.D3.D5.D.D7.D7.D3.D5.D32.D3.D5.D.D.D.D3.D5.D5.D7.D.2D2.D
7.D3.D5.D.D7.D7.D3.D5.D34.D3.D.D3.D.D3.D.D7.D7.D.D3.D$205.D3.D.D3.D.D
7.D3.D3.D3.D4.D33.D3.D.D3.D.2D.2D3.D5.D4.D4.D3.D.D3.D7.D3.D.D3.D.D7.D
3.D3.D3.D4.D35.D3.D.D5.D3.D.D7.D6.D6.D$205.4D3.3D2.5D2.3D3.3D4.D3.5D
30.4D3.3D2.D3.D2.3D4.D3.5D2.3D3.3D2.5D.4D3.3D2.5D2.3D3.3D4.D3.5D32.4D
3.3D2.D.D.D.4D4.D5.D5.2D$403.D3.D5.D.D.D.D.D3.D3.D4.D8.D$403.D3.D.D3.
D.2D.2D.D3.D3.D3.D5.D3.D32.4D2.D3.D.5D3.D6.D2.5D2.3D3.3D$403.4D3.3D2.
D3.D2.3D4.D3.D6.3D33.D3.D.2D2.D.D6.2D5.2D4.D3.D3.D.D3.D$476.D3.D.D.D.
D.D7.D4.D.D4.D7.D.D2.2D$476.4D2.D2.2D.3D5.D3.D2.D4.D5.2D2.D.D.D$476.D
3.D.D3.D.D7.D3.5D3.D7.D.2D2.D30.4D3.3D2.5D3.D3.5D3.D$476.D3.D.D3.D.D
7.D6.D4.D3.D3.D.D3.D30.D3.D.D3.D.D6.2D5.D4.2D$476.4D2.D3.D.5D2.3D5.D
4.D4.3D3.3D31.D3.D.D5.D7.D5.D5.D$553.4D3.3D2.3D5.D5.D5.D$237.A103.A
211.D3.D5.D.D7.D5.D5.D$235.3A101.3A211.D3.D.D3.D.D7.D5.D5.D$234.A103.
A214.4D3.3D2.5D2.3D4.D4.3D$234.2A102.2A88.A11.A$232.4B100.4B88.3A7.3A
$231.3B95.2A4.3B77.A15.A5.A6.A$218.2A11.3B2A92.B2AB3.3B2A75.3A12.2A5.
2A3.3A$219.A10.4BABA91.4B2.4BABA77.A11.9B2.A$219.A.AB3.B2.6BAB92.2B2.
6BAB76.2A3.2B.12B3.B2A58.2A$220.2AB.12B91.13B70.A6.4B.16B.4B58.A.A$
222.14B91.13B70.3A6.23B61.A$223.13B90.14B73.A4.24B55.2A3.A.2A8.B$222.
14B90.14B72.2A4.24B.2B53.A3.A3.A6.2B47.2A6.2A$222.13B91.13B73.32B2A
52.A.2A.2A.A5.3B48.A7.A$222.13B91.13B73.30B.B2A53.A.A.A.A5.4B48.A.2A.
3A$221.14B90.14B72.31B2.B56.4B5.4B50.A.A.A5.2A$215.B5.15B83.B4.16B70.
26B.3B60.4B5.4B53.BA5.A.A$214.3B2.20B79.3B2.20B67.2BD21B5.2B48.3B6.7B
3.4B53.4B4.A$214.25B79.25B67.3BD13B.6B4.B2AB45.6B2.2B.8B.4B54.BD4B.2A
$214.26B78.26B65.4B2D12B2.B.5B3.2A44.8B.16B55.2BD4B$213.26B78.26B66.
3B2D13B7.2A49.5BD18B55.3B2D3B$213.25B79.25B67.3BD13B8.A49.7BD16B55.3B
2D4B$211.27B77.27B67.15B11.3A47.6B2D14B57.2BD5B$210.D24B2.BA75.D24B2.
BA65.12B17.A49.3B2D14B59.3B.4B$208.3BD23B2.A.A72.3BD23B2.A.A64.13B66.
3BD14B65.4B$207.4B2D21B4.2A71.4B2D21B4.2A64.12B68.15B68.4B$207.3B2D
22B77.3B2D22B71.10B2.B67.10B73.4B$208.2BD23B78.2BD23B72.9B.B2A65.11B
74.4B$208.26B78.26B71.12B2A64.3B2A7B75.4B$210.24B77.27B70.12B.B65.3B
2A7B$213.2B2A10B.7B75.4B3.2B2A10B.7B68.4B4.4B69.11B$215.2A2B4.2B4.5B
75.4B6.2A2B4.2B4.5B68.4B5.3B73.2B.4B$217.B11.6B73.4B9.B11.6B66.4B$
227.9B71.4B20.9B64.4B$227.2A.7B69.4B21.2A.7B62.4B$228.A5.4B67.4B23.A
5.4B60.4B$225.3A7.4B65.4B21.3A7.4B58.4B$225.A10.4B63.4B22.A10.4B$237.
4B61.4B35.4B$238.4B59.4B37.4B$239.4B31$205.420D!
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Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

Postby Extrementhusiast » September 29th, 2015, 8:54 pm

Two more partial conduits, both needing an annoying bit of cleanup:
x = 92, y = 33, rule = LifeHistory
61.3D$62.D$60.3D$12.D$11.3D$11.D.2D$33.A56.A$.A18.2A9.3A43.2A9.3A$.3A
16.2A8.A46.2A8.A$4.A25.2A55.2A$3.2A2$56.2A$56.2A3$2A$2A2$33.2A20.2A
33.2A$33.2A19.A.A33.2A$54.A$53.2A8$15.3C54.3C$16.C56.C$16.3C54.3C!
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Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

Postby simeks » September 29th, 2015, 8:58 pm

A new H-to-B. Works with Conduit 1 for an Fx169:

x = 118, y = 31, rule = LifeHistory
19.C63.C$17.3C61.3C$16.C63.C$16.2C62.2C$26.C63.C$12.2C12.3C47.2C12.3C
$12.2C8.2C5.C46.2C8.2C5.C$22.2C4.2C56.2C4.2C4$30.2D62.2D21.D$31.2D62.
2D18.3D$30.2D62.2D2.2A15.D.D$30.D63.D3.2A15.D6$95.2A$E63.E30.A$E.E20.
2C39.E.E20.2C4.A.A$3E20.C40.3E20.C5.2A$2.E10.2C3.2C4.3C39.E10.2C3.2C
4.3C$11.C2.C4.C6.C48.C2.C4.C6.C$11.3C5.C.C53.3C5.C.C$20.2C62.2C$11.3C
61.3C$11.C2.C60.C2.C$13.2C62.2C!
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Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

Postby dvgrn » September 30th, 2015, 7:48 am

simeks wrote:A new H-to-B. Works with Conduit 1 for an Fx169...

That's a good one, an HF110B. I've added it to the collection. It also works with the workhorse BBx187H (which has the same three conduits at the lower edge, by the way -- kind of an odd-looking combination) making a Bx297 with good clearance for the return signal. I don't see any other workable standard connections offhand.

It's not clear when I'll finish the labeling project for all of the elementary conduits -- my century-to-glider label generator seems to have an annoying bug at the moment. If anyone wants a copy of the current 20%-converted collection, just let me know. Guess I could just start the new thread a little early, and update when I can.

I keep wishing for a stable 90-degree turner that can pull off the p8 reflector's trick of removing a B's natural block. Snarks are a lot better than nothing, and they actually fit in this case, sort of, where the p8 reflector doesn't... but it's still definitely not very satisfactory:

x = 110, y = 130, rule = LifeHistory
65.D$64.3D$57.2E4.D2.2D$57.E$58.3E$60.E3$28.C$26.3C$25.C$25.2C$35.C$
21.2C12.3C$21.2C8.2C5.C$31.2C4.2C3$47.D$39.2D6.D.D$40.2D5.3D.2E$39.2D
8.D.2E$39.D4$75.2E$75.2E2$9.C$9.C.C20.2C$9.3C20.C42.2E$11.C10.2C3.2C
4.3C39.2E$20.C2.C4.C6.C25.2E$20.3C5.C.C29.E.E$29.2C29.E$20.3C36.2E8.
2E$2.2A16.C2.C2.E42.E$3.A18.2C2.3E41.3E$3A26.E42.E$A27.2E36.2E$66.E$
68.E$20.2E26.2E14.5E$20.E28.E13.E$17.2E.E28.E.E12.3E$17.E2.3E4.2E21.
2E15.E$18.2E3.E3.2E35.4E$20.4E35.2E3.E3.2E$20.E15.2E21.2E4.3E2.E$21.
3E12.E.E2.2E24.E.2E$24.E13.E2.E25.E$19.5E14.3E2.E22.2E$19.E21.3E$21.E
18.E$20.2E18.2E16.2E$58.E$59.3E$61.E4$30.2E$29.E.E5.2E$29.E7.2E$28.2E
2$42.E$38.2E.E.E$37.E.E.E.E$34.E2.E.E.E.E.2E$34.4E.2E2.E2.E$38.E4.2E$
36.E.E$36.2E5$77.2E$78.E$65.E11.E$65.3E9.2E$68.E$38.C16.2E10.2E39.E$
36.3C17.E50.E.E$35.C20.E.E48.E.E$35.2C20.2E49.E$45.C30.D3.2E15.D$31.
2C12.3C28.2D2.2E15.D.D$31.2C8.2C5.C28.2D18.3D$41.2C4.2C28.D21.D$76.D
2$57.D$49.2D6.D.D$50.2D5.3D$49.2D8.D11.2E$49.D21.E$72.3E$74.E4$48.2E$
19.C29.E$19.C.C20.2C2.3E$19.3C20.C3.E20.E$21.C10.2C3.2C4.3C21.3E$30.C
2.C4.C6.C.E22.E$30.3C5.C.C5.E.E20.2E$39.2C6.E$30.3C$12.2A16.C2.C$13.A
18.2C$10.3A$10.A$79.2E$72.2E5.E.E$72.2E7.E$81.2E2$68.E$67.E.E.2E$67.E
.E.E.E$64.2E.E.E.E.E2.E$64.E2.E2.2E.4E$66.2E4.E$72.E.E$73.2E!
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Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

Postby dvgrn » September 30th, 2015, 10:08 am

Just noticed this 10-bit polyplet cropping up during an attempt to tame Extrementhuiast's partial conduits:

x = 11, y = 9, rule = LifeHistory
7.2A$6.BAB2A$3.7BA$.7BABA$.2BD4B2A$3BDBD4B$.2B3D4B$.4BD4B$2.7B!

As shown here, its most common appearance is 22 ticks after a Herschel. I know I've seen it in other contexts, though, when either a pi or a B gets damaged in the right way.

Is there a common name for this H+22 object? And/or have any H+22 outputs been found that don't go through the H stage? That might possibly justify cataloguing H+22 as a separate target.
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Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

Postby chris_c » September 30th, 2015, 10:39 am

dvgrn wrote:Is there a common name for this H+22 object? And/or have any H+22 outputs been found that don't go through the H stage?


Yeah, it occurred in this post as part of a stable 2G->"H" reaction. Two of them are formed after 10 ticks from a "stairstep octomino" so maybe that could inspire a name?

x = 4, y = 5, rule = B3/S23
o$2o$b2o$2b2o$3bo!


EDIT: A disadvantage of giving this object its own name is that a good proportion of existing Herschel conduits would cease to be elementary!
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Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

Postby dvgrn » September 30th, 2015, 12:46 pm

chris_c wrote:EDIT: A disadvantage of giving this object its own name is that a good proportion of existing Herschel conduits would cease to be elementary!

Well, like the E and D objects, the halfstairstep+10 is kind of a solution in search of a problem, until it proves to be useful as a target in at least one or two new conduits. We're getting pretty close on the D, but I guess we haven't quite closed the circuit yet.

In other random news, I found the bug in the C-to-G labeler script. It was actually a feature, not a bug. Turns out the fifth C-to-G, CSE12T39, is the first conduit to contain its own input as part of one of its catalysts. There's an induction coil at the lower left that's also a T=-2 century predecessor -- very confusing to a script that's only pretending to be clever...!

Anyway, so I'm back on track for the labeling project. Maybe the next draft of the collection will be finished one of these months. The output diagram for the C-to-G converters looks like this:

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x = 140, y = 83, rule = LifeHistory
45.2D3.2D41.2D3.2D$44.D2.D.D2.D39.D2.D.D2.D$46.D2.D2.D35.3D3.D2.D2.D$
45.D3.D2.D40.D3.D2.D$44.4D2.2D40.4D2.2D2$40.D3.2D53.D3.2D$39.2D2.D2.D
9.3A23.3A13.2D2.D2.D$3D.6D.3D26.D2.D2.D9.A3B21.3BA9.3D2.D2.D2.D21.3D.
9D$.2D2.D2.D3.D27.D2.D2.D10.A2BA19.A2BA15.D2.D2.D22.2D2.D2.D3.D$.2D2.
D2.D3.D26.3D2.2D12.4B17.4B15.3D2.2D23.2D2.D2.D.D$.D.D.D2.D.D.D46.A2BA
15.A2BA46.D.D.D2.3D$.D.D.D2.D.D.D25.2D11.3A6.4B13.4B6.3A11.2D25.D.D.D
2.D.D$.D.D.D2.D.D.D24.D2.D10.A3B6.A2BA11.A2BA6.3BA10.D2.D24.D.D.D2.D$
.D2.2D2.D.D.D24.D2.D11.A2BA6.4B9.4B6.A2BA11.D2.D24.D2.2D2.D3.D$3D.2D
3.D.D25.D2.D12.4B6.A2BA7.A2BA6.4B12.D2.D23.3D.2D.6D$38.2D14.A2BA6.4B
5.4B6.A2BA14.2D$46.3A6.4B6.A2BA3.A2BA6.4B6.3A$28.D3.2D12.A3B6.A2BA6.
3B2.4B6.A2BA6.3BA12.D3.2D$27.2D2.D2.D12.A2BA6.4B6.AB3.BA6.4B6.A2BA12.
2D2.D2.D$23.3D2.D2.D2.D13.4B6.A2BA17.A2BA6.4B14.D2.D2.D$28.D2.D2.D14.
A2BA6.4B15.4B6.A2BA15.D2.D2.D$27.3D2.2D7.3A6.4B6.A2BA13.A2BA6.4B6.3A
6.3D2.2D$41.A3B6.A2BA6.4B11.4B6.A2BA6.3BA$21.2D3.2D14.A2BA6.4B6.AB13.
BA6.4B6.A2BA14.2D3.2D$20.D2.D.D2.D14.4B6.A2BA27.A2BA6.4B14.D2.D.D2.D$
16.3D3.D2.D2.D15.A2BA6.4B25.4B6.A2BA17.D2.D2.D$21.D3.D2.D7.3A6.4B6.A
2BA23.A2BA6.4B6.3A8.D3.D2.D$20.4D2.2D8.A3B6.A2BA6.4B21.4B6.A2BA6.3BA
7.4D2.2D$37.A2BA6.4B6.A2BA19.A2BA6.4B6.A2BA$38.4B6.A2BA6.4B17.4B6.A2B
A6.4B$39.A2BA6.4B6.A2BA15.A2BA6.4B6.A2BA$40.4B6.A2BA6.4B13.4B6.A2BA6.
4B$41.A2BA6.4B6.A2BA11.A2BA6.4B6.A2BA$42.4B6.AB8.4B9.4B8.BA6.4B$43.A
2BA16.A2BA7.A2BA16.A2BA$44.4B16.4B5.4B16.4B$45.A2BA16.AB7.BA16.A2BA$
46.4B41.4B$47.AB43.BA$69.3D20.B$70.CD$68.D.2D$47.AB19.2D22.BA$46.4B
41.4B$45.A2BA16.AB7.BA16.A2BA$44.4B16.4B5.4B16.4B$43.A2BA16.A2BA7.A2B
A16.A2BA$42.4B6.AB8.4B9.4B8.BA6.4B$41.A2BA6.4B6.A2BA11.A2BA6.4B6.A2BA
$40.4B6.A2BA6.4B13.4B6.A2BA6.4B$39.A2BA6.4B6.A2BA15.A2BA6.4B6.A2BA$
38.4B6.A2BA6.4B17.4B6.A2BA6.4B$37.A2BA6.4B6.A2BA19.A2BA6.4B6.A2BA$21.
2D3.2D8.A3B6.A2BA6.4B21.4B6.A2BA6.3BA8.2D3.2D$20.D2.D.D2.D7.3A6.4B6.A
2BA23.A2BA6.4B6.3A7.D2.D.D2.D$16.3D3.D2.D2.D15.A2BA6.4B25.4B6.A2BA17.
D2.D2.D$21.D3.D2.D14.4B6.A2BA27.A2BA6.4B15.D3.D2.D$20.4D2.2D14.A2BA6.
4B6.AB13.BA6.4B6.A2BA13.4D2.2D$41.A3B6.A2BA6.4B11.4B6.A2BA6.3BA$28.D
3.2D7.3A6.4B6.A2BA13.A2BA6.4B6.3A7.D3.2D$27.2D2.D2.D14.A2BA6.4B15.4B
6.A2BA14.2D2.D2.D$23.3D2.D2.D2.D13.4B6.A2BA17.A2BA6.4B14.D2.D2.D$28.D
2.D2.D12.A2BA6.4B6.AB3.BA6.4B6.A2BA13.D2.D2.D$27.3D2.2D12.A3B6.A2BA6.
4B.4B6.A2BA6.3BA11.3D2.2D$46.3A6.4B6.A2BA3.A2BA6.4B6.3A$38.2D14.A2BA
6.4B5.4B6.A2BA14.2D$2.4D.3D.3D23.D2.D12.4B6.A2BA7.A2BA6.4B12.D2.D25.
4D.6D$.D3.D2.D3.D24.D2.D11.A2BA6.4B9.4B6.A2BA11.D2.D24.D3.D2.D3.D$.D
6.D3.D24.D2.D10.A3B6.A2BA11.A2BA6.3BA10.D2.D24.D6.D.D$2.3D3.D.D.D25.
2D11.3A6.4B13.4B6.3A11.2D26.3D3.3D$5.D2.D.D.D46.A2BA15.A2BA50.D2.D.D$
5.D2.D.D.D27.D3.2D12.4B17.4B16.D3.2D27.D2.D$.D3.D2.D.D.D26.2D2.D2.D
10.A2BA19.A2BA14.2D2.D2.D22.D3.D2.D3.D$.4D4.D.D28.D2.D2.D9.A3B21.3BA
9.3D2.D2.D2.D22.4D2.6D$40.D2.D2.D9.3A23.3A14.D2.D2.D$39.3D2.2D52.3D2.
2D2$45.2D3.2D41.2D3.2D$44.D2.D.D2.D39.D2.D.D2.D$46.D2.D2.D35.3D3.D2.D
2.D$45.D3.D2.D40.D3.D2.D$44.4D2.2D40.4D2.2D!
#C [[ THUMBNAIL VIEWONLY ZOOM 4 ]]

Diagrams for other inputs were posted a while ago on another thread. They're all the same, really, but I figured I'd post one illustration here as well.
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Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

Postby Extrementhusiast » September 30th, 2015, 1:41 pm

dvgrn wrote:Just noticed this 10-bit polyplet cropping up during an attempt to tame Extrementhuiast's partial conduits:

x = 11, y = 9, rule = LifeHistory
7.2A$6.BAB2A$3.7BA$.7BABA$.2BD4B2A$3BDBD4B$.2B3D4B$.4BD4B$2.7B!

As shown here, its most common appearance is 22 ticks after a Herschel. I know I've seen it in other contexts, though, when either a pi or a B gets damaged in the right way.

Is there a common name for this H+22 object? And/or have any H+22 outputs been found that don't go through the H stage? That might possibly justify cataloguing H+22 as a separate target.

I like to call it a gliderless Herschel, as it's missing the FNG. Unfortunately, it doesn't lead to any good abbreviations (other than perhaps H-G, which can be confusing in its own right).
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Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

Postby codeholic » September 30th, 2015, 4:11 pm

I'm not following this topic carefully enough, and I'm also not particularly proficient in it to judge which conduits are novel and notable, so I would appreciate if someone found time to report such conduits on the @conwaylife Twitter channel. Nothing fancy, just something like https://twitter.com/conwaylife/status/6 ... 4363319296
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Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

Postby Sphenocorona » September 30th, 2015, 9:51 pm

I've also seen the H+22 object referred to as a "Herschel core" as well. It could be abbreviated "HC" just fine, but it has issues when trying to convert to one letter names, just like the Block and Glider "BG" - both of which have abbreviations made of two other abbreviations.

Though conduits that output a HC without an intermediate Herschel stage might be better classified as anti-dependent conduits or something - instead of requiring a predecessor of the standard input like a dependent conduit, they spit out a successor of the standard output. Though the only elementary herschel conduits I'm aware of that this matters for which aren't already dependant would be Herschel -> [some gliders] where the FNG is one of the gliders outputted - and even then, the result can be mimicked by adding an eater.
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Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

Postby Kazyan » September 30th, 2015, 11:43 pm

I've seen that object a few times in my searches. Since it would fit with most H conduits, I'd just denote it as H'.
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Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

Postby Scorbie » October 1st, 2015, 3:26 am

Possibly known HF-to-G. (Is this part matthias's p26?) Does this connect with H-to-HF?
x = 19, y = 13, rule = B3/S23
4b2o$4bo$6bo6b2o$5b2o6bo$2o2bo$o2bob2o5b3o$2b2obobo$6bo2$15b2o$15bo$
16b3o$18bo!

And this HF-to-LOM although I'm not sure if this can connect to anything:
x = 18, y = 27, rule = B3/S23
5$7bo$7b3o$10bo$9b2o5$12b2o$12bo2$11b3o$6b2o$5bobo$5bo$4b2o!
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Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

Postby Freywa » October 1st, 2015, 10:03 am

Extrementhusiast wrote:I like to call it a gliderless Herschel, as it's missing the FNG. Unfortunately, it doesn't lead to any good abbreviations (other than perhaps H-G, which can be confusing in its own right).

The polyplet looks like a Q to me, so it could be abbreviated as such. (The queen bee takes two letters to abbreviate so there is no confusion.)
x = 15, y = 7, rule = B3/S23
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Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

Postby Scorbie » October 1st, 2015, 10:12 am

Seeing the tendency of members to reduce two-letter-abbreviations to one-letter-abbreviations (Like BG to W), IMHO the Q should be reserved for the queen bee... (And partly because I personally like the H' idea:)) Edit: but I am not sure if this comes out independently and cleanly that often to get a name... Well, I haven't took much time in conduit searching.
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Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

Postby dvgrn » October 1st, 2015, 11:08 am

Scorbie wrote:Possibly known HF-to-G. Does this connect with H-to-HF?

Really close, but unfortunately not quite, for the known H-to-HF. There's just one cell that comes too close to the active part of the carrier, for either orientation of the HF-to-G:

x = 71, y = 35, rule = LifeHistory
14.A49.A$12.3A47.3A$11.A49.A$11.2A48.2A$6.7B6.2A35.7B6.2A$5.8B6.A35.
8B6.A$4.10B2.BA.A34.10B2.BA.A$4.7BA3B.B2A35.7BA3B.B2A$5.6BABA3B38.6BA
BA3B$4.7B3A3B37.7B3A3B$.12BA3B34.12BA3B$17B33.17B$16B34.16B$.15B35.
15B$5.10B40.10B$4.12B38.12B$5.12B38.12B$6.11B39.11B$5.12B38.12B$4.12B
38.12B$3.12B38.12B$2.13B37.13B$3.3B2D6B2.2A31.2A2.3B2D6B$3.7B.3B3.A
31.A3.7B.3B$4.4BDB5.A35.A2.4BDB$6.D2BD5.2A33.2A4.D2BD$6.BDBD7.A2.2A
23.2A2.A6.BDBD$7.3D5.2A.A2.A23.A2.A.2A5.3D$14.A.A.2A27.2A.A.A$15.A35.
A2$5.2A53.2A$6.A53.A$3.3A55.3A$3.A59.A!

I don't think we have any LOM->X conduits to try out at the moment, but for the other converter it does look pretty unlikely that there will ever be room for a direct conduit to get a HF in there, and room for another conduit to get the LOM signal out.

Scorbie wrote:Seeing the tendency of members to reduce two-letter-abbreviations to one-letter-abbreviations (Like BG to W), IMHO the Q should be reserved for the queen bee.

Yeah, I've already taken the liberty of adjusting the conduit-compiler script to use single-letter identifiers and labels. QB has become Q, BG has changed to W, and (maybe more controversially) Pi has been shortened to just P -- no more Greek letter Π.

Can always put it back to the old way, but I doubt we'll go above 26 input/output targets for the foreseeable future, and I don't see any horrible confusions on the immediate horizon. HF could be F, TL can be T so that LOM can be L (if we ever need it -- right now L sort of stands for LWSS), E is fine already, and an occasional arbitrary letter assignment won't be a problem for seldom-seen targets.
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Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

Postby calcyman » October 1st, 2015, 11:17 am

Dave Greene wrote:and (maybe more controversially) Pi has been shortened to just P -- no more Greek letter pi.


I preferred the Greek letter pi. Most languages accept Unicode, anyway, so I see no reason to change it to [the less memorable] P.

For example, this is a H-to-Π-to-🐝 converter:

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x = 49, y = 29, rule = LifeHistory
10.3B$10.4B7.2A7.2A$11.4B5.B2AB6.A.A$12.4B5.3B8.A$13.4B3.B.B9.2A$14.
4B.6B8.2B$15.10B7.5B$7.2A7.12B4.6B$8.A8.12B2.6B$8.A.AB6.20B2.4BD$9.2A
B.3B2.26BDBD$11.21B3D10BDBD$11.23BD10BD2BD$12.20B3D10BDBD$11.33BDBD$
9.29B2.4BD$7.19B3.10B$7.2BC15B5.10B$6.3BCBC4B.7B7.8B$7.2B3C4B2.6B7.7B
$6.5BC4B3.6B6.2A$5.10B6.4B7.A$4.4B12.B2A2B4.3A$3.4B14.2A.B2A2.A$2.4B
18.BA.A.A$2.2A23.A.2A$3.A23.A$3A23.2A$A!


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Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

Postby dvgrn » October 1st, 2015, 6:14 pm

The current version is now posted on a new thread, with various fixes and additions. The first two columns of labels are done, but pretty soon I'm going to get slowed down by the pi-to-G and queen-bee-to-G sections, which need minor new adjustments to the recognizer script. Also see the new thread for my second attempt at solving the classification problem for conduits with symmetric inputs or outputs (like P's and Q's).

calcyman wrote:I preferred the Greek letter pi. Most languages accept Unicode, anyway, so I see no reason to change it to [the less memorable] P.

For example, this is a H-to-Π-to-🐝 converter...

Hmm. I think that argues in favor of the change I made, more eloquently than I could have. With my current single-letter system I can type "H-to-P-to-Q" without having to stop and remember how to type in Greek -- and people will understand what that means with very little practice.

More important, scripts that are handling these elementary conduits don't have to deal with Unicode or strange sort orders. I agree in a way that the Greek letter was nice, but it seems simpler to avoid an entity that might suddenly and mysteriously take it into its head to change into U+03A0 or Π or Π or Π or whatever, depending on the context.

I removed from the conduit-compiler script some special-case code about "if you see a P then wait and see if the next letter is an 'i' and convert that to a Greek letter Π, otherwise leave it alone". Filenames work fine with Π characters in them, at least on Windows, I don't know about other platforms -- but the way the script was set up, library filenames used "pi" not "Π".

It's working nicely the way it is now, using "p" in the filenames and labels, so most likely I'm going to politely forget to change it to anything else. I certainly won't mind if it changes back to Greek, though -- because that will mean that somebody else has taken over the maintenance of the collection again...!
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Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

Postby Gustavo6046 » October 1st, 2015, 6:17 pm

How to search my own conduits?
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Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

Postby A for awesome » October 1st, 2015, 6:56 pm

Any hope of restoring this blinker?:
x = 28, y = 21, rule = LifeHistory
11.A$11.A$11.A3$2.D$D.D22.D$3D22.D.D$D24.3D$27.D9$16.3C$17.C$15.3C!
x₁=ηx
V ⃰_η=c²√(Λη)
K=(Λu²)/2
Pₐ=1−1/(∫^∞_t₀(p(t)ˡ⁽ᵗ⁾)dt)

$$x_1=\eta x$$
$$V^*_\eta=c^2\sqrt{\Lambda\eta}$$
$$K=\frac{\Lambda u^2}2$$
$$P_a=1-\frac1{\int^\infty_{t_0}p(t)^{l(t)}dt}$$

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Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

Postby triller » October 1st, 2015, 11:55 pm

Gustavo6046 wrote:How to search my own conduits?

Why wouldn't you keep copies of your own work in your own toolbox directory for speedy access?
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Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

Postby gmc_nxtman » October 1st, 2015, 11:57 pm

I think he meant how to search for his own conduits, in which case try downloading ptbsearch/bellman/catforce and inputting a herschel.
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