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The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

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Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

Postby Sphenocorona » September 20th, 2015, 7:52 pm

*grumble*
#C Probably unusable fast "pre" QB->B
x = 24, y = 12, rule = LifeHistory
12.2C7.D$12.2C7B2D$5.17B2D$4.18BD$3.4B3C11BD$2.4BC3BC2B2.3B$.D3BCB.3B
C3B.2B$D3B.C3.2BC2B$3D7.2B$9.4B$9.B2AB$10.2A!

There's still a chance the block can be restored from the intermediate R's ash, but I would have preferred if the R was better behaved :(
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Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

Postby dvgrn » September 21st, 2015, 12:05 am

simsim314 wrote:Does anyone see a way to attach this one? (and I know it's overkill for G4->H)...

Why, sure! What was that you were saying about overkill?

#C HNE16T14 saves the day -- sort of.
#C NW8T186 is the only suffix I could find
#C   that produced a glider in the right range.
x = 87, y = 116, rule = LifeHistory
36.2A11.A$35.B2AB9.A.A$36.3B9.A.A2.2A3.A$35.B.B9.2A.2A2.A2.A.A$35.5B
8.B2.A.A3.A.A$35.6B6.2ABA2.4A.A13.A$35.8B4.2A.A.A3.A13.3A$36.13B2.A.A
B2.A11.A$34.13B5.A.A2B.A10.2A$33.15B5.A2B.2A7.5B$33.15B4.3B10.4B$32.
17B.B.2B10.7B$32.29B3.7B$31.13B2A11BD4B2.7B$30.14B2A9B3D4B.10B$29.2AB
3.20BDBD15B$28.A2.A4.19BD17B$27.A.2A5.6B3.B2.2B2.22B$27.A7.6B14.20B$
26.2A6.9B14.17B$21.2A10.4B4.2A14.17B$20.B2A2B7.4B5.A14.18B$21.4B6.4B
7.3A10.19B$22.3B5.4B10.A9.19B3.B.3B$7.2A5.3B4.3B5.3DB20.4B3.22B$8.A4.
4B2.7B2.3BD20.4B5.21B$8.A.AB.17BD20.4B4.24B$9.2AB.17B20.4B5.2A2.20B$
11.18B21.3B7.A2.20B$11.18B28.3A4.19B2A$10.18B29.A7.18BA.A$10.18B36.
13B.2B5.A$10.18B36.7B2.3B9.2A$10.18B35.7B$11.16B35.7B$9.18B36.3BA3B$
7.A.2A4.12B36.2BABA2B$5.3AB2A4.13B36.BABA2B$4.A4.B4.15B36.BA2B$5.3A.
2A3.16B35.2B$7.A.A4.17B$7.A.A4.16B$8.A7.13B$20.2B2A5B$20.2B2A3B$19.8B
$20.8B$20.8B$13.C7.7B$13.3C5.7B$16.C4.6B$15.2C4.6B$15.5B.6B$17.11B$
16.7BD5B$16.6B3D5B$15.6B2DBD5B$13.B.16B$12.2C8B2.7B$12.2C8B2.7B$13.
16B.B2C$13.15B2.BC.C$15.13B5.C$13.15B5.2C$13.15B$10.19B$9.2C19B$9.2CB
.17B6.2C$10.B3.17B5.C$15.15B3.BC.C$14.16B.B.B2C$14.20B$15.19B$16.18B$
16.18B$17.19B$15.B.20B$14.2B2C19B$13.3B2C19B$2C9.24B.B2C$.C6.26B2.BC.
C$.C.CB2.27B5.C$2.2CB.27B6.2C$4.29B$4.29B$4.30B$5.13B.16B$3.13B2.9B.
8B$3.2C3.8B3.9B.8B$4.C3.9B2.8B3.8B$.3C3.10B3.8B3.8B$.C5.9B6.3B2C2B3.
8B$9.7B7.BC2BCB4.8B$11.4B10.2CB6.8B$13.B12.2B7.8B13.2A$25.2B9.8B11.B
2A2B$24.B2CB9.8B11.4B$25.2C11.8B9.5B$39.8B6.7B$40.10B3.6B$41.5BC12B$
42.2B3C13B$41.3BCBC13B$42.2BC15B$42.19B$44.18B$46.17B$47.16B$47.16B$
45.8B.7B.B2A$45.2A3.B4.4B3.BA.A$46.A9.5B4.A$43.3A13.2A4.2A$43.A15.A$
60.3A$62.A!

Obviously it's possible to get a signal out eventually (e.g., add a few more Herschel conduits, then bounce the block killer in with a couple of Snarks). But that's all definitely out of range of practicality. Too bad -- it's a very nice find otherwise.

If the source conduit were one where the Herschel could continue, the next spare glider could maybe be bounced in with a single Snark to kill the block. But no luck there either, of course.
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Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

Postby Extrementhusiast » September 21st, 2015, 1:40 am

A nice pi-to-explosion:
x = 31, y = 22, rule = LifeHistory
6.A$6.3A$9.A$8.2A2$.2A$2.A$2.A.A$3.2A4$A$3A$3.A$2.2A25.2A$29.A$27.A.A
$11.3C13.2A$11.C.C9.2A$11.C.C9.A.A$24.2A!

Unusually, the ship/eater combo catalyzes the reaction twice. (And since the explosion moves backward from the pi, it would probably be best to look for a G-to-X from this.)
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Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

Postby simsim314 » September 21st, 2015, 3:39 am

dvgrn wrote:Why, sure! What was that you were saying about overkill?


Well it works - but then why bother using G4 receiver just use syringe :)
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Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

Postby simsim314 » September 21st, 2015, 3:58 am

Just for the record - the best non-destructive tandem signal spartan circuit currently known is G4, has minimum of 24 SL, with 325 ticks recovery time.

x = 95, y = 83, rule = LifeHistory
25.C$24.C.C7.C$17.2C5.BC2B4.3C$16.B2C2B4.2B4.C$5.2C9.5B.4B5.2C$5.C8.
13B3.3B3.7B.B$6.3C5.12B2.3B5.13B.B$8.C3.47B2.B$9.48BDB.B2C$5.B.4B2C
42B3D3B2C$4.7B2C25B2C15BDBDB.2B$.B.35B2C15BD3B16.2C$2C43B3.2B2.6B16.B
2CB$2CB.22B.B3.B2.10B31.3B$.B3.21B9.6B35.B$8.19B9.3B35.5B$8.3B.16B8.B
37.B3D2B$11.9B.8B6.2C37.2BD3B$11.4B2.B4.8B5.C38.2B3DB$9.2CB4.3B4.8B5.
3C35.6B$8.C.CB3.B2CB5.8B6.C35.6B$8.C7.2C7.8B41.6B$7.2C17.8B40.5B$27.
8B38.6B$28.8B38.6B$29.8B36.7B$30.8B35.6B$31.8B34.6B$32.8B33.6B$33.8B
31.8B$34.8B31.8B$35.8B29.9B$36.8B28.9B$37.8B27.10B$38.8B26.5B2C3B$39.
8B25.5B2C4B$40.8B24.11B$41.8B23.12BC$42.8B24.8B2.3C$43.8B23.7B6.C$44.
8B22.5B7.2C$45.8B13.2C5.6B$46.8B13.C6.6B$47.8B12.C.CB2.8B$48.8B12.2CB
2.9B$49.8B13.12B$50.8B12.12B$51.8B11.10B.B2C$52.8B11.8B2.BC.C$53.8B9.
8B6.C$54.8B9.8B5.2C$55.8B9.7B$56.8B5.11B$57.10B.12B$58.22B.B$59.24B$
52.C7.25B$52.3C6.24B$55.C6.22B2C$42.2C10.2C6.20B.B2C$43.C10.5B2.19B4.
B$43.C.CB9.25B12.2C$44.2CB.3B4.25B8.B3.C.C$46.7B.26B4.6B.B2C$46.35B2.
8B.B$47.36B.6B.2B$46.48B$44.43B2C6B$42.18B.25BC2BC5B$42.2BC15B2.23B.B
2C5B$41.3BCBC4B.7B3.24B.7B$42.2B3C4B2.7B2.24B4.3B$41.5BC4B4.2B2C4.23B
$40.10B3.4B2C4.22B$39.4B10.2C8.5B.16B$39.3B12.C6.5B3.16B$37.4B10.3C7.
2CB5.14B$37.2C12.C10.C6.14B$38.C20.3C8.4B4.5B$35.3C21.C11.4B3.3B$35.C
34.4B$69.B2C2B$70.2C!


So just bare in mind that we want either something much faster, or something much smaller - preferably both.
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Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

Postby simsim314 » September 21st, 2015, 7:54 pm

Yet another "almost working" overkill for G4 special case receiver

x = 115, y = 101, rule = LifeHistory
8$52.B$37.C13.3B$37.3C11.3B$40.C9.5B$39.2C5.B3.5B3.B$39.9B.7B.4B$41.
20B$39.2C21B$39.2C21B$39.24B$41.23B6.C$40.25B3.3C$26.8B4.26B3.C$23.CB
.9B3.25B2.B.2C$22.C.C10B2.32B$22.2C.11B.30B$27.41B$27.41B$26.41B$26.
41B$26.42B$26.42B$24.2CB.41B$23.C.CB2.39B$23.C6.15B.13B.B.6B$22.2C7.
13B2.16B.2B$32.6B9.15B$44.19B$43.2C19B$43.2CB.17B6.2C$44.B3.17B5.C$
49.15B3.BC.C$48.16B.B.B2C$48.20B$49.19B$50.18B$50.18B$51.19B$49.B.20B
$48.2B2C19B$47.3B2C19B$34.2C9.24B.B2C$35.C6.26B2.BC.C$35.C.CB2.27B5.C
$36.2CB.27B6.2C$38.29B$38.29B$38.30B$39.13B.16B$37.13B2.9B.8B$37.2C3.
8B3.9B.8B$38.C3.9B2.8B3.8B$35.3C3.10B3.8B3.8B$35.C5.9B6.3B2C2B3.8B$
43.7B7.BC2BCB4.8B$45.4B10.2CB6.8B$47.B12.2B7.8B13.2A$59.2B9.8B11.B2A
2B$58.B2CB9.8B11.4B$59.2C11.8B9.5B$73.8B6.7B$74.10B3.6B$75.5BC12B$76.
2B3C13B$75.3BCBC13B$76.2BC15B$76.19B$78.18B$80.17B$81.16B$81.16B$79.
8B.7B.B2A$79.2A3.B4.4B3.BA.A$80.A9.5B4.A$77.3A13.2A4.2A$77.A15.A$94.
3A$96.A!
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Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

Postby simsim314 » September 22nd, 2015, 4:06 am

If there is a way to remove the debris top left block, this will make a nice non-destructive G8 period doubler reciever (which is pretty useful in circuitry):

x = 51, y = 44, rule = B3/S23
18b2o$18bo$16bobo$16b2o$20b2o$20b2o7$2b2o3b2o$3bo3b2o2b3o$3o8bo$o11bo
26$48b2o$48bobo$48bo!
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Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

Postby Extrementhusiast » September 22nd, 2015, 7:32 pm

Reasonable bookend-to-R-mango:
x = 35, y = 18, rule = LifeHistory
17.A$9.2A5.A.A$10.A6.A$10.A.A$11.2A2$4.A$3.A.A26.3D$3.A.A25.D2.D$.3A.
2A23.D2.D$A30.2D$.3A.2A$3.A.2A3$14.3C$14.C2.C$16.2C!
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Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

Postby dvgrn » September 22nd, 2015, 8:12 pm

Extrementhusiast wrote:Reasonable bookend-to-R-mango...

Nice! If there's a known R-mango-to-X that works with this, I'd definitely throw both conduits into the next elementary-conduits collection.

Continuing the single-character assignments, I suppose this could be an 'M' object, unless there's another good name for an R-mango and we should reserve 'M' for in case we ever find a direct Herschel-to-MWSS converter.
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Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

Postby Scorbie » September 22nd, 2015, 8:42 pm

simsim314 wrote:If there is a way to remove the debris top left block, this will make a nice non-destructive G8 period doubler reciever (which is pretty useful in circuitry):

x = 51, y = 44, rule = B3/S23
18b2o$18bo$16bobo$16b2o$20b2o$20b2o7$2b2o3b2o$3bo3b2o2b3o$3o8bo$o11bo
26$48b2o$48bobo$48bo!
The pattern doesn't work, but the idea might. Use the escaping glider to clean up the block:
x = 27, y = 23, rule = B3/S23
11b2o$11b2o$18b2o$9b4o5bo$4b2o2bo3bo3bobo$4b2o2b2o6b2o$20b2o$20b2o2$3b
2o$3b2o4$2b2o$3bo$3o$o3$24b3o$24bo$25bo!
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Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

Postby A for awesome » September 22nd, 2015, 9:09 pm

dvgrn wrote:Continuing the single-character assignments, I suppose this could be an 'M' object, unless there's another good name for an R-mango and we should reserve 'M' for in case we ever find a direct Herschel-to-MWSS converter.

I'd say D for dove.
x₁=ηx
V ⃰_η=c²√(Λη)
K=(Λu²)/2
Pₐ=1−1/(∫^∞_t₀(p(t)ˡ⁽ᵗ⁾)dt)

$$x_1=\eta x$$
$$V^*_\eta=c^2\sqrt{\Lambda\eta}$$
$$K=\frac{\Lambda u^2}2$$
$$P_a=1-\frac1{\int^\infty_{t_0}p(t)^{l(t)}dt}$$

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Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

Postby simsim314 » September 23rd, 2015, 5:41 am

dvgrn wrote:If there's a known R-mango-to-X that works with this, I'd definitely throw both conduits into the next elementary-conduits collection.


Well at the very least it works with the only known R-mango conduit:

x = 58, y = 28, rule = B3/S23
28bo$28b3o$31bo$30b2o6$17bo$9b2o5bobo$10bo6bo$10bobo$11b2o2$4bo$3bobo$
3bobo$b3ob2o$o$b3ob2o47b2o$3bob2o47bobo$56bo$56b2o$14b3o30b2o$14bo2bo
29bo$16b2o30b3o$50bo!
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Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

Postby Scorbie » September 23rd, 2015, 7:54 am

Searching the archives gives this R-to-G.
#C By Paul Callahan, 11 Oct 1996
x = 28, y = 15, rule = B3/S23
8bo$8b3o$9bo4$2o$2o2$7b2o$7b2o$17bo6b2o$16bobo5bobo$17bo8bo$26b2o!

EDIT: and this unsure pi-to-pi:
#C Again by Paul Callahan, 11 Oct 1996
x = 23, y = 20, rule = B3/S23
21b2o$21bo$19bobo$19b2o8$9b3o$9bo$9b3o3$2b2o$3bo5b2o$3o6b2o$o!
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Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

Postby simeks » September 23rd, 2015, 10:28 am

The R-mango looks like a very interesting object!

For example here is a small sample of first catalysts, all of which fit with with Extrementhusiast's bookend-to-R-mango:

x = 283, y = 339, rule = LifeHistory
198.2C$198.C3.C$193.C.2C.C2.C.C$193.2C.C.C.C.C$77.2C119.C2.C$77.2C
118.2C5$271.2C$7.3E4.2C55.3E4.2C55.3E61.3E61.3E5.2C$6.E2.E4.2C54.E2.E
4.2C54.E2.E4.2C54.E2.E60.E2.E$5.E2.E60.E2.E60.E2.E6.C3.2C48.E2.E60.E
2.E$6.2E62.2E62.2E5.C.C.C2.C49.2E62.2E9.2C$141.2C2.2C126.C$145.C128.
3C$146.C129.C$145.2C41$263.2C$264.C$262.C$262.2C$264.C2.2C$262.2C.C2.
C$2.2C61.2C.2C71.2C49.2C5.2C60.C.C.2C$3.C62.C.C72.C51.C5.2C61.C$3.C.C
60.C.C70.C.C51.C.C$4.2C57.2C.C.2C69.2C53.2C$63.2C.C$66.C$66.2C4$7.3E
61.3E61.3E61.3E61.3E$6.E2.E60.E2.E60.E2.E60.E2.E60.E2.E$5.E2.E60.E2.E
60.E2.E60.E2.E60.E2.E$6.2E62.2E62.2E62.2E62.2E45$72.2C57.2C71.2C$72.C
59.C71.C$74.C56.C73.C$73.2C56.2C2.2C63.2C2.2C$13.C54.2C2.C61.C.C63.C.
C$11.3C54.C2.C.2C54.4C.C67.C.4C$10.C59.2C.C.C53.C2.C.2C65.2C.C2.C$10.
2C62.C8$273.2C$7.3E61.3E61.3E61.3E61.3E7.2C$6.E2.E60.E2.E60.E2.E60.E
2.E60.E2.E$5.E2.E60.E2.E60.E2.E60.E2.E60.E2.E$6.2E62.2E62.2E62.2E62.
2E50$C126.2C$3C125.C$3.C124.C.C$2.C126.2C$.C$.2C2$215.2C$214.C.C$214.
C$213.2C$7.3E61.3E61.3E61.3E10.C50.3E$6.E2.E60.E2.E60.E2.E60.E2.E9.C.
2C47.E2.E$5.E2.E60.E2.E60.E2.E60.E2.E11.C2.C45.E2.E10.2C$6.2E62.2E9.
2C.C49.2E62.2E14.2C46.2E11.C.C$81.2C.3C190.C$87.C189.2C$81.2C.3C$82.C
.C$82.C.C$83.C39$207.2C$201.2C5.C$201.C.C.3C$203.C.C$203.2C7$86.2C$
20.2C64.C$20.2C62.C.C191.2C$84.2C193.C$277.C4.C$7.3E61.3E61.3E61.3E
61.3E11.6C$6.E2.E60.E2.E60.E2.E60.E2.E60.E2.E$5.E2.E10.2C48.E2.E60.E
2.E11.2C47.E2.E60.E2.E14.2C$6.2E11.C.C48.2E62.2E12.C.C47.2E62.2E16.C$
21.C128.C129.C.C$21.2C127.2C129.2C47$84.C$83.C.C$83.C.C$82.2C.3C$88.C
$82.2C.3C$82.2C.C41.2C$127.2C5$7.3E11.2C48.3E61.3E61.3E$6.E2.E11.2C
47.E2.E60.E2.E60.E2.E$5.E2.E60.E2.E60.E2.E60.E2.E$6.2E62.2E62.2E62.2E
$211.2C$211.C$212.3C$214.C!
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Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

Postby dvgrn » September 23rd, 2015, 11:57 am

A for awesome wrote:I'd say D for dove.

"D" it is, I would say -- that name is in Mark Niemiec's database, and in the Life Lexicon from way back.

simeks wrote:The R-mango looks like a very interesting object!

For example here is a small sample of first catalysts, all of which fit with with Extrementhusiast's bookend-to-R-mango...

Yes, there's lots of good stuff in there. I can get the R-mango/dove to travel well just by noodling around manually with some of these options. No doubt automated searches can turn up much more interesting stuff.

Code: Select all
x = 53, y = 37, rule = LifeHistory
33.C$33.3C6.4B.B$36.C5.7B.D$35.2C5.7BDBD$35.5B.8BDBD$37.13BDB$36.16B$
34.18B$30.B2.20B$28.25B$24.B2.26B$23.2CB.25B$23.2C26B$24.B.25B$17.A8.
24B$9.2A5.A.A6.25B$10.A4.2BAB7.24B$10.A.AB2.2B8.23B$11.2AB.B.6B2.23B$
13.11B2.19B.B$4.A9.10B2.18B$3.A.A7.13B.5B3D9B$3.A.A5.20BD2BD9B$.3A.2A
4.19BD2BD8B.B2C$A4.B5.20B2D8B2.BC.C$.3AB2AB3.27B.B6.C$3.A.2A30B9.2C$
7.28B$7.7B3E19B$7.7BEBE19B$8.6BE2BE3B6.8B$7.9B2E3B9.2B$7.15B$8.13B$8.
12B$9.8B$14.B!
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-- Check out the new Build 160 LifeViewer, by the way: LifeHistory runs and displays correctly, no more VIEWONLY tags! And you can run the pattern backwards with the step-back button or the 'b' key.

But has anyone tried to get a century signal into that conduit? It might be good to come up with some alternate ways to breed doves. It's really too bad that the pi-to-2C signal splitter doesn't connect here.
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Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

Postby simeks » September 23rd, 2015, 1:44 pm

dvgrn wrote:But has anyone tried to get a century signal into that conduit?

At least it works with the first Pi-to-C in the collection.
And I found a D-to-G:

x = 42, y = 64, rule = LifeHistory
29.C$29.3C$32.C$31.2C8$18.A20.2C$10.2A5.A.A19.2C$11.A6.A$11.A.A$12.2A
2$5.A$4.A.A26.3D4.2C$4.A.A25.D2.D4.2C$2.3A.2A23.D2.D$.A30.2D$2.3A.2A$
4.A.2A2$15.3D$15.D.D$15.D2.D$17.2D10$31.2A$31.2A8$32.2A$32.A.A$34.A$
3.3E28.2A$5.E$3.3E7$2.2A$3.A6.2A$3A7.A$A7.A.A$8.2A!
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Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

Postby Extrementhusiast » September 23rd, 2015, 2:02 pm

simeks wrote:
dvgrn wrote:But has anyone tried to get a century signal into that conduit?

At least it works with the first Pi-to-C in the collection.


Also, I can't help feeling that there's some sort of conduit that produces a bookend from a mangled B, something like this:
x = 10, y = 12, rule = LifeHistory
6.3D$5.D2.D$5.2D3$7.A$6.3A$6.A.2A2$.2A$A.A$2.A!


dvgrn wrote:It might be good to come up with some alternate ways to breed doves.

I do know that a bookend+spark produces one:
x = 4, y = 5, rule = LifeHistory
.3A$A2.A$2A2$.A!


The only way I know to produce one from a clean LOM is like so:
x = 29, y = 15, rule = LifeHistory
8.A$7.A.A$8.A2$6.5A$5.A4.A$4.A2.A$.A2.A.2A$A.A.A5.A15.3D$.A2.A4.A.A
13.D2.D$4.2A2.A2.A12.D2.D$9.2A8.2C4.2D$18.C.C$18.C.C$18.2C!


As for producing a LOM in that position, I have seen things like this differently mangled B:
x = 23, y = 7, rule = LifeHistory
13.3B5.A$11.A3B2A4.2A$9.2ABAB3A2.2A$9.A4B3A2.2A$.3D5.A3BA2B3.2A$D2.D
6.3A2B$3D9.A!

The base reaction actually produces two LOMs, but one gets suppressed by this particular mangling.
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Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

Postby simeks » September 23rd, 2015, 2:17 pm

Another D-to-G with an unlikely escape:

x = 64, y = 57, rule = LifeHistory
51.C$40.A10.3C$32.2A5.A.A5.C6.C$33.A6.A6.3C3.2C$33.A.A14.C$34.2A13.2C
2$27.A$26.A.A26.3D4.2C$26.A.A25.D2.D4.2C$24.3A.2A23.D2.D$23.A30.2D$
24.3A.2A$26.A.2A2$37.3D$37.D.D$37.D2.D$39.2D10$53.2A$53.2A$14.2A$14.
2A5$2A$.A52.2A$.A.A50.A.A$2.2A52.A$25.3D28.2A$27.D$25.3D4$2.E$2.E.E$
2.3E$4.E19.2A$25.A6.2A$14.2A6.3A7.A$14.2A2.2A2.A7.A.A$18.A.A.A7.2A$
20.A.2A$20.A$19.2A!
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Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

Postby simsim314 » September 23rd, 2015, 2:57 pm

D->R (but probably unreachable), D->G simplified, D->tub factory:

x = 205, y = 83, rule = LifeHistory
26$168.D$157.2C8.DBD$158.C7.2BDB$107.4B47.C.CB3.6B$16.C89.4B49.2CB.9B
$16.3C86.4B52.11B$19.C84.4B52.11B$18.2C66.C16.4B54.10B$18.4B64.3C13.
4B54.11B$20.2B67.C11.4B54.12B$19.5B64.2C10.4B55.13B$17.8B63.4B7.4B56.
3B3C7B$15.11B64.2B6.4B57.2BC2BC7B$14.13B62.5B3.4B58.BC2BC6B.B2C$13.
16B58.8B.4B59.2B2C7B.BC.C$14.17B54.14B66.3B6.C$14.17B53.14B70.C5.2C$
13.18B52.16B69.3C$14.19B51.17B70.C$15.18B51.17B11.2C56.2C$15.5B3C15B
4.B40.18B12.C$16.3BC2BC17B.B2C40.19B7.3C$16.2BC2BC6BD13B2C41.18B7.C$
17.2B2C7B3D10B.B42.5B3C17B$17.12BD10B46.3BC2BC18B$18.4B.2B6.8B47.2BC
2BC20B$19.2B11.7B48.2B2C22B$33.5B49.26B$34.2B52.4B.2B6.12B$89.2B10.
10B$102.6B$104.3B!
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Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

Postby biggiemac » September 23rd, 2015, 11:17 pm

R Mango/Dove also turns into a very accessible Herschel pretty quickly if you feed it a blinker. I went to no long effort to restore the blinker. The extra block catalyst just converts the active area into a TL near the sacrificed blinker, without the block it becomes a distant pond.
x = 32, y = 16, rule = B3/S23
17b2o$17b2o6$2b3o$bo2bo3bo$o2bo4bo$b2o5bo2$30bo$29bobo$29bobo$30bo!
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Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

Postby Scorbie » September 24th, 2015, 12:55 am

simeks wrote:The R-mango looks like a very interesting object!

For example here is a small sample of first catalysts, all of which fit with with Extrementhusiast's bookend-to-R-mango:
R-mango first catalyses:

Interesting. Did you find these by Bellman? After seeing this, I decided to add the honeyfarm catalyst to ptbsearch...
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*.**.*.*
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Edit: whoops, aircraft carriers rather than snakes.
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Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

Postby simeks » September 24th, 2015, 12:06 pm

Scorbie wrote:Did you find these by Bellman?

I used Bellman_szlim, which is my attempt to add some new ideas to Bellman.

Here is the input file I used for the R-mango search:

#S min-activation-gen 2
#S max-first-activation-gen 39
#S max-reactivation-gen 64
#S max-active-gens-in-a-row 48
#S inactive-gens-at-accept 6
#S sum-of-active-inactive-gens-at-accept 0
#S continue-after-accept 1
#S max-added-static-oncells 32
#S max-activated-cells 12
#S filter-below-min-activated-cells 0
#S max-local-complexity 0
#S max-local-areas 1
#S min-local-area-separation-squared 8
#S max-global-complexity 21
#S old-result-naming 1
#P 0 0
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It runs with bellman_szlim_073.exe

The basic idea used for this search is to limit results to anything that fits in a small enough rectangle. For 'max-global-complexity 21' it means on-cells in the Bellman results must fit in about a 7-by-7 or 8-by-5 rectangle.

I'm currently working on a more official version, but there were a few more issues than I expected, so it will probably be a few more weeks. I will wait to document the new features and settings until that release.
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Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

Postby Scorbie » September 24th, 2015, 12:22 pm

I'm a real bellman novice, so pardon me if I ask dumb questions...
The catalysis look interesting, but aren't the results somewhat similar to ordinary bellman output? Did your program save you time to get the same results as bellman?

Edit: and could you tell me what precisely global-complexity means?

EDIT2: I'm not sure if I have the time to learn a new search utility, but seeing the descriptions in that link sure looks quite nice... (these days I just don't do searching ig it requires a new utility, like Bellman.) If I had infinite time, this would surely be in my priority (along with randomagar ofind tweaking gfind afind etc.)
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Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

Postby simeks » September 24th, 2015, 12:37 pm

Scorbie wrote:Did your program save you time to get the same results as bellman?

Yes, that's the point!
With 'max-global-complexity 21' that search runs in about 75 minutes.
If I reduce max-global-complexity to 15 it runs in less than 3 minutes, but now I only get results that fit in a 5-by-5 rectangle.

Without a limit on the size of results, like it would be in standard Bellman, that seach would be totally impractical to run to completion.
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Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

Postby simeks » September 27th, 2015, 10:48 am

A new H-to-C that right now only connects to the smallest C-to-G, which creates a H-to-G with timing SW29T165:

EDIT: Added Syringe weld to pattern.

x = 173, y = 31, rule = LifeHistory
2C62.2C78.2C$.C13.2C7.C40.C13.2C7.C56.C13.2C7.C$.C.C11.2C5.3C40.C.C
11.2C5.3C56.C.C11.2C5.3C$2.2C17.C44.2C17.C49.A10.2C17.C$21.2C62.2C46.
3A29.2C$25.C63.C42.A36.C$24.C.C61.C.C41.2A34.C.C$25.C63.C27.2A50.C$
118.A$118.A.2A$2.A63.A52.A2.A$2.A.A61.A.A51.2A10.E$2.3A61.3A61.E.E2.
2A$4.A21.2C40.A21.2C39.2E2.2A33.2C$26.2C62.2C78.2C3$144.A3.2A$143.A.A
3.A$5.C63.C72.A.A3.A$5.3C61.3C66.2A.A.A3.A$8.C63.C65.2A.A2.4A.A.2C$7.
C63.C70.A.A3.2A.C$7.2C62.2C65.2A.2A.A.A5.C$20.2D62.2D2.2E49.A.A3.A.4A
C16.2C$6.C.3C7.D2.D48.C.3C7.D2.D3.E37.2A10.A.A4.A5.3C14.C$6.2C.C8.D.D
49.2C.C8.D.D4.E.2E34.2A11.A6.A2.A2.C15.C.2C$11.C6.3D54.C6.3D.2E.2E.E
53.2A2.2A3.C10.2C.2C.C$10.2C62.2C11.E66.2C11.C$85.E.E77.C.C$85.2E78.
2C!

By killing the reaction early in Kazyan's idea from here, the double diamond becomes an R-to-2G.

The only way to get an R into it that I can find is to use one of the 2G-to-R:

x = 142, y = 44, rule = LifeHistory
70.E$71.E$69.3E6$85.2A14.2C$5.2A78.2A14.C$5.A90.C.2C.C$A.2A.A73.E16.
2C.C.2C$2A.A.2A73.E$78.3E19.3C$4.3A92.C2.C$3.A2.A92.2C$3.2A$85.2A$84.
A2.A$85.2A32.D$23.D68.2A25.2D8.D$23.2D8.D58.2A13.2D11.2D5.3D$11.2E11.
2D5.3D74.2D10.D6.D.D$12.2E10.D6.D.D74.D10.D7.D$12.E10.D7.D4$79.2A55.
2C$40.2A37.2A42.D12.2C$27.D12.2A41.2A36.D.D$25.D.D54.A.A36.3D9.2C5.2C
$25.3D9.2A5.2A36.A38.D11.2C5.2C$25.D11.2A5.2A35.2A$94.2A$94.2A17.C.C$
17.C.C92.C.2C$16.C.2C92.C6.C.2C$16.C6.C.2C69.2A13.2C4.3C.C$15.2C4.3C.
C70.2A18.C4.C.C$20.C4.C.C88.2C3.2C.C$20.2C3.2C.C95.C$28.C95.2C$28.2C!
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