The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

[Scorbie]

Also I found a simpler Pi->LWSS without the extra herschel output on the right hand side...

That's great! I thought LWSS producing conduits are more important in size rather than output herschels. (I'm not too sure whether the output herschel has a use in real situations...)

but sorry I don't have it to hand right now.

Do you mean you lost the result or don't have it just right now?

[simsim314]

@dvgrn I forgot G13->G

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x = 67, y = 54, rule = LifeHistory
8$48.DBD$47.B2DB$46.3BD$45.4B$44.4B$35.2A6.4B$34.B2AB4.4B$35.3B3.4B$
34.B.B3.4B$33.10B$31.11B$30.11B$28.12B9.DBD$27.13B8.B2DB$26.16B5.3BD$
24.20B2.4B$23.26B$22.6B2A18B$20.8B2A17B5.2A$11.2A7.21B2A4B5.A$12.A6.
21BA2BA2B3.BA.A$12.A.AB.24B2A5B.B2A$13.2AB.29B2A2B$15.24B.5BA2BAB$15.
23B3.5BABAB$15.23B3.6BA2B$16.21B6.8B$17.16B.B.B2A4.8B$18.16B2.BA.A5.
5B$18.11B2.2B6.A5.4B$18.10B11.2A5.5B$19.9B21.2A$20.7B22.A$19.4B.B25.
3A$18.4B30.A$17.4B$16.4B$15.4B$14.4B$13.4B$12.4B$11.4B$10.4B!
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[Sphenocorona]

I made a LWSS->H with recovery time of 1090:

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x = 151, y = 74, rule = LifeHistory
76.2A11.A$75.B2AB9.A.A$4.2A.A68.3B9.A.A2.2A3.A$4.A.2A67.B.B9.2A.2A2.A
2.A.A7.2A7.2A$75.5B8.B2.A.A3.A.A6.B2A2B5.A.A$5.5A65.6B6.2ABA2.4A.A8.
4B2.BA.A.3A$2A2.A4.A20.2A43.8B4.2ABA.A3.A8.7B.B2A5.A23.2A$A2.A.BAB9.
3B10.A45.14B.A.AB2.A6.11B5.2A23.A$.A.A.2AB7.8B4.BA.A43.15B3.A.A2B.A6.
9B6.4B18.BA.A$2A.A.4BA5.9B.B.B2A43.15B5.A2B.2A6.12B5.3B14.2A.B2A$3.A
3.BABA4.13B45.15B4.3B10.16B.4B12.B2A2B$3.2A2.A2BA4.14B43.17B.B.2B10.
29B6.4B$8.2A19B43.29B4.24BD4B3.6B$10.20B9.2A30.13B2A11BD4B2.23B3D4B2.
6B$10.22B7.A30.14B2A9B3D4B2.23BDBD4B.7B$11.21B4.BA.A29.2AB3.20BDBD4B.
24BD15B6.2A$11.24B.B2A3.2A24.A2.A4.19BD21B3.2B2.20B5.A$11.26B4.B2AB3.
2A17.A.2A5.6B3.B2.2B2.22B13.17B2.BA.A$11.8B2A16B4.3B5.A17.A7.6B14.17B
17.16B.B2A$12.7B2A14B6.2B6.A.AB4.2A7.2A6.9B14.15B18.17B$12.24B4.5B5.
2AB3.B2AB13.4B4.2A13.17B16.18B$13.19B.4B.9B5.3B2.2B13.4B5.A14.19B14.
16B$14.B2.14B3.14B4.4B2.2B11.4B7.3A.2A9.19B11.2AB.3B2.8B$18.12B5.13B
4.4B.4B5.2B2.5B9.A.2A10.6B.10B11.A.AB5.8B$20.11B5.14B.11B.6B2D5B8.A
13.6B.9B12.A7.8B$20.12B5.31BDBDB.3B5.BA.A14.4B4.7B11.2A6.4B2.5B$20.
13B5.32BD.5B4.B2A4.2A11.B3.8B19.4B6.2A$20.14B4.9B2A29B.3B5.B2AB6.A7.
2A4.2B18.4B7.A$20.15B3.8BA2BA32B5.3B5.3A8.A23.4B9.3A$21.10B.4B3.7BABA
33B6.B.B3.A5.A2.3A23.4B12.A$21.10B2.4B3.7BA34B4.6B2.2A4.4A24.4B$21.8B
A2B2.4B2.44B2.10B31.4B$22.6BABA2B2.4B.54B8.2A14.2A6.D3B$24.4BABAB4.5B
3C5B.44B8.A10.2A2.A.A5.BD2B$25.4BA2B5.4BC2BC48B6.BA.A11.A2.A6.2B2D$
26.6B6.3BC3B2D2BD2.41B2.3B.B2A10.A2.3A5.4B$27.5B7.2BC4B3D2B.24B3D21B
12.3A7.4B$28.3B9.2BCBC2BD3B.24BD23B15.A5.4B$40.10B3.23B3D20B15.2A4.4B
$40.10B3.47B14.9B6.2A$40.11B2.6B.42B14.6B7.A$40.11B.5B8.17B3.20B2.2B
2.B3.6B5.2A.A$40.17B10.B3.10B5.15BD19B4.A2.A$40.7B3D4B18.8B7.7B.4BDBD
20B3.B2A$17.2A7.2A12.7BD5B20.7B7.6B2.4B3D9B2A14B$16.A.A5.2B2AB11.6B3D
4B.2B22.2A6.6B3.4BD11B2A13B$14.3A.A.AB2.4B12.18B20.A7.4B6.29B$13.A5.
2AB.7B10.18B21.3A4.2B2AB12.2B.B.17B$13.2A5.11B9.19B22.A2.2AB.2A12.3B
4.15B$13.2B6.9B10.18B23.A.A.AB11.2A.2BA5.15B$18.12B10.7B2.10B21.2A.A
14.A.2BA.A5.13B$14.16B10.6B2.11B.B19.A2.A15.A2.BA.A2.13B$13.18B9.5B.
14B2A19.2A17.A3.A.A.2A4.8B$5.D7.17B4.26B2A36.A.4A2.AB2A6.6B$5.3D23B2.
4BD23B36.A.A3.A.A2.B8.5B$5.DBD23B2.4B3D21B36.A.A2.A2.2A.2A9.B.B$7.D
24B.4BDBD17B41.A3.2A2.A.A9.3B$9.2B2.2B3.21BD15B2A49.A.A9.B2AB$21.26B
2.6B2AB.B47.A11.2A$23.22B6.8B2A$23.15B2.5B8.4B.B2A$22.17B.5B9.2B3.B$
20.19B.5B8.2B$19.19B2.5B7.B2AB$20.10B.6B3.5B8.2A$21.9B.6B3.5B$21.7B4.
4B4.5B$22.8B3.B6.5B$22.2B4.2A10.5B$28.A11.5B$29.3A8.5B$31.A8.5B$40.5B
$40.5B!

I would not be surprised if there's already something way better, and if there isn't then it seems like there ought to be. Note that the H conduit on the bottom right is not specifically required, but the input it takes is in a bit of an awkward position so there isn't as much freedom as normal.

[simsim314]

I made a LWSS->H with recovery time of 1090

There must be something better. I would suggest to try and bellmanise Kazyans LWSS -> Spark:

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x = 15, y = 6, rule = B3/S23
6bo$2o3bobo$obo2bobo3bo$bo4bo3bo$10bo3bo$10b4o!

[chris_c]

Do you mean you lost the result or don't have it just right now?

It was on another computer. Here is is:

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x = 65, y = 88, rule = LifeHistory
51.2A$52.A$36.A15.A.AB$30.A5.3A14.2AB$30.3A6.A7.2A6.3B$33.A4.2A6.B2AB
5.4B$32.2A4.B8.3B3.7B.3B$32.8B6.B.B3.12B$34.6B5.18B2A$31.12B.19B2A$
27.B2.32B.B$26.35B$25.2A34B$25.2AB.8B2A9B.10B$26.B3.7BABAB2.5B3.8B$
32.6BAB3.5B4.7B$31.7B5.5B.11B$30.7B6.17B$29.4B.5B4.17B$28.4B5.2A4.16B
$27.4B6.A5.13B.4B$26.4B8.3A2.12B4.2A$25.4B11.A2.12B4.A$24.4B15.11B6.
3A$23.4B16.11B8.A$22.4B17.11B$21.4B18.10B$20.4B19.10B$19.4B20.11B$18.
4B20.12B$17.4B4.2A14.12B2.B$16.4B6.A11.15B.B2A$3.2A10.4B7.A.AB3.B.20B
2A$4.A9.4B9.2AB.11B.10B.2B$2.A10.4B12.24B$2.5A5.4B5.2A6.22B$7.A4.4B5.
A7.23B$4.3AB2.7B.BA.A8.22B$3.A.2B3.7B.B2A9.21B$3.4A12B13.20B$.2A2.BA
3B2A7B12.21B$A2.3AB.2B2A7B12.20B$2A.A.B3.10B10.2AB2.17B$3.A8.8B8.A.AB
5.15B$3.2A7.9B7.A9.13B$13.3B2.4B5.2A7.2AB.10B$11.5B3.4B12.A.AB3.7B$
11.2A7.4B11.A6.10B$12.A8.4B9.2A6.11B3.B$9.3A10.4B13.14B2.3B$9.A13.4B
11.20B$24.4B8.23B.B$25.4B6.25B2A$26.4B5.25B2A$27.4B3.27B$28.4B.28B$
29.27B2.B$29.31B$29.32B$27.34B$27.34B$27.32B.B2A$27.30B3.BA.A$28.28B
7.A$28.4B3D18B10.2A$30.4BD17B$30.2B3D14B$31.18B$30.18B$29.19B$30.18B$
31.17B$31.7B.9B$31.2A7.8B$32.A6.2A2.5B$29.3A7.A3.5B$29.A7.A.A3.5B$37.
2A4.5B$43.5B$43.5B$43.5B$43.5B$43.5B$43.B2D2B$43.3D2B$43.2DBDB$44.3D$
45.D!

[simsim314]

@chris_c the recovery time is 516 (maybe we can rearrange the LWSS output so that it will not collide with the input pi):

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x = 65, y = 88, rule = LifeHistory
51.2A$52.A$36.A15.A.AB$30.A5.3A14.2AB$30.3A6.A7.2A6.3B$33.A4.2A6.B2AB
5.4B$32.2A4.B8.3B3.7B.3B$32.8B6.B.B3.12B$34.6B5.18B2A$31.12B.19B2A$
27.B2.32B.B$26.35B$25.2A34B$25.2AB.8B2A9B.10B$26.B3.7BABAB2.5B3.8B$
32.6BAB3.5B4.7B$31.7B5.5B.11B$30.7B6.17B$29.4B.5B4.17B$28.4B5.2A4.16B
$27.4B6.A5.13B.4B$26.4B8.3A2.12B4.2A$25.4B11.A2.12B4.A$24.4B15.11B6.
3A$23.4B16.11B8.A$22.4B17.11B$21.4B18.10B$20.4B19.10B$19.4B20.11B$18.
4B20.12B$17.4B4.2A14.12B2.B$16.4B6.A11.15B.B2A$3.2A10.4B7.A.AB3.B.20B
2A$4.A9.4B9.2AB.11B.10B.2B$2.A10.4B12.24B$2.5A5.4B5.2A6.22B$7.A4.4B5.
A7.23B$4.3AB2.7B.BA.A8.14B2A6B$3.A.2B3.7B.B2A9.13B3A5B$3.4A12B13.11B
2ABA5B$.2A2.BA3B2A7B12.13B3A5B$A2.3AB.2B2A7B12.14BA5B$2A.A.B3.10B10.
2AB2.17B$3.A8.8B8.A.AB5.15B$3.2A7.9B7.A9.13B$13.3B2.4B5.2A7.2AB.10B$
11.5B3.4B12.A.AB3.7B$11.2A7.4B11.A6.10B$12.A8.4B9.2A6.11B3.B$9.3A10.
4B13.14B2.3B$9.A13.4B11.20B$24.4B8.23B.B$25.4B6.25B2A$26.4B5.25B2A$
27.4B3.27B$28.4B.28B$29.27B2.B$29.31B$29.32B$27.34B$27.34B$27.32B.B2A
$27.30B3.BA.A$28.28B7.A$28.4B3C18B10.2A$30.4BC17B$30.2B3C14B$31.18B$
30.18B$29.19B$30.18B$31.17B$31.7B.9B$31.2A7.8B$32.A6.2A2.5B$29.3A7.A
3.5B$29.A7.A.A3.5B$37.2A4.5B$43.5B$43.5B$43.5B$43.5B$43.5B$43.B2D2B$
43.3D2B$43.2DBDB$44.3D$45.D!

[Kazyan]

I'm checking out that "Pi hits an eater and slowly goes gallivanting off diagonally" interaction in chris_c's LWSS emitter. This would almost be a very nice Pi-to-C, but something has to clean up the boat left behind...and a rectifier doesn't quite do the trick with the output glider. Might be good for one of those self-cleaning compound circuits, though.

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x = 28, y = 20, rule = B3/S23
2o$2o13$15b3o$15bobo$15bobo6b2o$24bobo$26bo$26b2o!

EDIT: Also, Pi-to-R, but good luck dealing with the R explosion here.

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x = 18, y = 25, rule = B3/S23
2o$2o18$5b3o$5bobo$5bobo6b2o$14bobo$16bo$16b2o!

EDIT 2: Pi-to-BG.

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x = 32, y = 12, rule = B3/S23
5b2o$5b2o2$2o$2o$19b3o$18bo3bo$18b2ob2o$28b2o$28bobo$30bo$30b2o!

EDIT 3: Pi-to-R, I think; the other beehive is really stubborn for being so accessible. Spartan way to get rid of it shown, unless pseudo-still-lifes are not kosher.

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x = 14, y = 38, rule = B3/S23
4b2o$4bo$5b3ob2o$2o5bobobo$2o8bo6$b2o$o2bo$b2o20$b3o$bobo$bobo6b2o$10b
obo$12bo$12b2o!

[chris_c]

Pi-to-R, I think; the other beehive is really stubborn for being so accessible. Spartan way to get rid of it shown, unless pseudo-still-lifes are not kosher.

Here is a way to get rid of the beehive without that pseudo-still life. Shown as part of an L309 conduit. Congratulations!

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x = 78, y = 58, rule = LifeHistory
65.B$64.3D$64.BDB$63.3D2B$63.5B$62.6B$62.6B$63.5B$63.6B$4B13.4B41.6B$
.4B13.4B40.7B$2.4B13.4B40.6B$3.4B13.4B39.6B$4.4B13.4B38.6B$5.4B13.4B
36.8B$6.4B13.4B34.8B$7.4B13.4B33.9B$8.4B13.4B32.9B$9.4B13.4B30.10B$
10.4B13.4B29.3B2A5B$11.4B13.4B27.4B2A5B$12.4B13.4B26.11B$13.4B13.4B
20.2A.A7BD4B$14.4B13.4B19.A.2A2.4B3DB$15.4B13.4B25.2B2D2BD4.2A$16.4B
13.4B25.6B4.A$17.4B13.4B24.6B.BA.A$18.4B13.4B22.7B.B2A$19.4B13.4B8.B
13.8B$20.4B13.4B6.3B12.7B$21.4B13.4B5.3B12.7B$22.4B7.2A4.4B3.5B10.7B
4.B$23.4B5.B2AB4.4B.7B10.6B.B.2BA$24.4B5.3B5.17B3.11BA.A$25.4B3.B.B6.
17B3.5BD4B.BA$26.4B.6B4.24B3D3B$27.10B2.26BD5B$19.2A7.43B$20.A8.43B$
20.A.AB6.42B.2B$21.2AB.3B2.37BA6B2A$23.21B3D19BABA5B2A$23.23BD12B2.5B
ABA4B.B$24.20B3D12B3.5BA5B$23.36B4.11B$21.38B6.8B$19.19B3.17B7.3B.5B.
BA$19.2BA15B5.10B3.B10.B.7BA.A$18.3BABA4B.7B7.8B16.8B.2A$19.2B3A4B2.
6B7.7B18.6B$18.5BA4B3.6B6.2A24.3B$17.10B6.4B7.A23.A$16.4B12.B2A2B4.3A
22.3A$15.4B14.2A.B2A2.A23.A$15.3B18.BA.A.A23.2A$15.2B22.A.2A$15.B23.A
$38.2A!

EDIT: Excuse me. It's L309 not Lx309 as I originally wrote.

[Kazyan]

Thanks. CatForce is cranking out results left and right with the gallivanting Pi input. Here's a Pi-to-Pi of questionable usability:

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x = 64, y = 68, rule = B3/S23
54bo$53bobo$53bo2bo$54b2o10$56bo$55bobo$56b2o20$51b3o$3b2o46bobo$4bo
46bobo6b2o$2bo57bobo$2b5o14b2o39bo$7bo13bo40b2o$4b3o12bobo$3bo15b2o$3b
4o$b2o3bo3b2o$o2b3o4b2o12bo$2obo20b3o$3bo23bo$3b2o21b2o3$11b2o$12bo$9b
3o$9bo$36b2o$29b2o5bobo$29b2o7bo$38b2o2$25bo$24bobob2o$24bobobobo$21b
2obobobobo2bo$21bo2bo2b2ob4o$23b2o4bo$29bobo$30b2o!

[chris_c]

Here's a Pi-to-Pi of questionable usability.

No, I can't seem to connect that to anything. Not even your fast Pi->G that is so useful in the gun collection. That is another thing that can be added to the conduit collection:

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x = 22, y = 19, rule = LifeHistory
5.2A$3.2B2AB6.2A$3.4B7.A$3.6B2.BA.A$3.7B.B2A$4.3D5B$6.D5B$4.3D5B$4.8B
$4.9B$3.11B$3.BAB.B3.4B$3.A.A.2A3.4B$.3A.ABA5.4B$A3.A4.A4.4B$.A2.A.4A
5.4B$2.A.A.A9.4B$3.A3.3A7.4B$9.A8.4B!

[simsim314]

@dvgrn The new Kazyan circuits from the messages above, and Pi->G (posted by chris_c) and Pi->2G from Kazyan with some cool splitter from bellman somewhere on the forum, should be added as well to the list of conduits.

[Scorbie]

EDIT 3: Pi-to-R, I think; the other beehive is really stubborn for being so accessible. Spartan way to get rid of it shown, unless pseudo-still-lifes are not kosher.

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x = 14, y = 38, rule = B3/S23
4b2o$4bo$5b3ob2o$2o5bobobo$2o8bo6$b2o$o2bo$b2o20$b3o$bobo$bobo6b2o$10b
obo$12bo$12b2o!

I think that pseudo-still-life is extremely welcome. EDIT: Many congrats!!

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x = 13, y = 11, rule = B3/S23
2o$o$b3o$3bo5$11b2o$10b2o$12bo!

[Sphenocorona]

There must be something better. I would suggest to try and bellmanise Kazyans LWSS -> Spark

No, that doesn't look like a good candidate to me; it would be an extremely tight fit for anything to get out. I think it'd be better to try and find a Herschel conduit with a suitable beehive as debris to replace this:

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x = 0, y = 0, rule = LifeHistory
.2C$C2.C5.C$.2C5.C$8.C3.C$8.4C!

[Extrementhusiast]

Possible starting point for a new R-to-X:

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x = 8, y = 19, rule = B3/S23
2o$2o3$6b2o$6b2o11$6bo$5b3o$5bo!

[simsim314]

Few interesting starting points (that involve transparency) for potential conduits:

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x = 207, y = 34, rule = B3/S23
192b2o2b2o$192b2o2b2o$69b2o2b2o$69b2o2b2o60b2o$135b2o$2b2o$2b2o$73b2o
66bo44b2o$72bo2bo64b3o42bo2bo$73b2o64b2obo43b2o2$bo$obo180b2o$bo182bo$
4b2o175b3o$4b2o175bo5$90b3o$91bo$89b3o2$202b2o$202b2o$14b3o$15bo$13b3o
187bo$202bobo$201b2ob2o$202bo2bo$202bo3bo$202bo!

[simsim314]

Pi to QB (probably known but QB is not yet recognized as conduit material, although we have already two H->QB):

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x = 23, y = 20, rule = LifeHistory
11.D$10.DBD$9.D3BD$9.B3DB$8.2D3B2D$8.7B$8.7B$8.7B$8.7B$9.5B2.B$9.5B.
3B$6.B.11B$5.14B$5.14B$4.6B3D6B$3.A6BDBD6B$.3A.5BD.D6B2A$A6.2B3.7BA.A
$2A12.3B4.A$15.B5.2A!
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[Kazyan]

I think that Pi->QB is known, though using a snake-like end on the left instead of an eater is new.

If we have three X->QB conduits, a QB->2R, and the default QB->2C...it's probably a good idea to run it through Bellman or CatForce. It's a symmetrical object, after all, so results would usually be ambidextrous.

[Scorbie]

Few interesting starting points (that involve transparency) for potential conduits:

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x = 207, y = 34, rule = B3/S23
192b2o2b2o$192b2o2b2o$69b2o2b2o$69b2o2b2o60b2o$135b2o$2b2o$2b2o$73b2o
66bo44b2o$72bo2bo64b3o42bo2bo$73b2o64b2obo43b2o2$bo$obo180b2o$bo182bo$
4b2o175b3o$4b2o175bo5$90b3o$91bo$89b3o2$202b2o$202b2o$14b3o$15bo$13b3o
187bo$202bobo$201b2ob2o$202bo2bo$202bo3bo$202bo!

Are the tandem gliders from the last one known?

[Kazyan]

Maybe the upper right activity here could be turned into a glider and kicked back at the unwanted loaf? (Also, shame about that FNG.)

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x = 37, y = 13, rule = B3/S23
3b2o29b2o$3bo2bo26bo2bo$4b3o27b2o2$2obob2o$ob2obo$5bo$5b2o3$11b3o$12bo
$12b3o!

EDIT: Pretty nice H-to-B with the help of the same BTS:

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x = 28, y = 26, rule = B3/S23
26b2o$26b2o8$25b2o$25b2o$3b2o$3bo2bo$4b3o2$2obob2o$ob2obo$5bo$5b2o3$
11b3o$12bo8b2o$12b3o6bo$22b3o$24bo!

[simsim314]

Are the tandem gliders from the last one known?

Not the tandem, and not that G->H.

[dvgrn]

@dvgrn The new Kazyan circuits from the messages above, and Pi->G (posted by chris_c) and Pi->2G from Kazyan with some cool splitter from bellman somewhere on the forum, should be added as well to the list of conduits.

Okay, I've done the review and integrated (I think) everything from both collections, plus all the suggestions that have showed up as of right now. Kazyan's earlier pi-to-R is included for the moment, the first of the two in this post, but with a question mark; seems to me it should probably be removed unless and until it can be proven useful, by connecting it with something.

It would be nice to be able to keep an organized collection of converters that don't work yet, but that may possibly someday connect to some other conduit as yet unknown. But I don't think this collection is the right storage place for those -- well, maybe a separate corral off to the side or something. Here's the link to where the main relabeled alphabetized stamp collection is posted. It seems crowded enough with only the known good conduits in it. Might be a good idea to take out the X-to-Gs and X-to-G(n)s, once we have them catalogued better in separate collections.

Again, I'm officially abandoning this alphabetized elementary-conduits pattern in its current state. Anyone else should feel free to pick it up and run with it if they want to (e.g., to a new Elementary Conduits thread where I'm stubbornly refusing to make the first post...!)

We now have spartan G4, G5 and G6 transceivers. Which one is the most "efficient"? (i.e. SL count / recovery or maybe just SL count as simplicity measure).

For compactness and fast recovery time I think I'd vote for your new B357+4N and Lx369+4N. The G13 variant also has the advantage that a semi-Snark can reflect a glider onto one of the input lanes:

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x = 155, y = 97, rule = LifeHistory
69.A$69.3A$72.A$71.2A2$41.2A67.A$42.A$29.A11.A$29.3A9.2A$32.A89.2A$
19.2A10.2A90.A$.2A17.A101.A$2.A17.A.A99.2A$.A19.2A$.2A41.2A15.A91.A$
44.2A15.A.A29.E58.A.A$61.3A29.E.D56.A.A$63.A29.3E.2A54.A$95.E.2A26.2A
15.C$125.2A15.C.D$A3.2A15.C120.3C$2A2.2A15.C.D120.C$.2A18.3C$2A21.C
11.2A$35.A44.2A$36.3A41.A.A$38.A34.2A7.A52.2A$73.2A7.2A52.A$14.2A104.
2A11.3A$15.A20.2A82.2A11.A$12.3A21.2A$12.A$106.2A$27.2A78.A$27.A.A74.
3A$28.A75.A$116.2A$116.A$33.2D82.3A$31.2A2D84.A$31.2A$26.2A$25.A.A$
25.A$24.2A13.2A$39.A$32.2A6.3A$32.2A8.A11$52.2A$52.2A3$43.2A$43.A.A$
44.A$77.2A$77.2A$49.2D61.2A$47.2A2D62.A$47.2A63.A$42.2A68.2A$41.A.A
59.2A$41.A61.A.A37.A$40.2A13.2A47.A37.A.A$55.A86.A.A$48.2A6.3A84.A$
48.2A8.A52.D3.2A15.C$84.2A25.2D2.2A15.C.D$60.2A22.2A13.2D11.2D18.3C$
61.A9.2D27.2D10.D21.C$61.A.A6.D2.D26.D10.D$62.2A7.2D$66.2A$65.A2.A$
65.A.A$66.A2$75.2A$74.A.A$74.A$73.2A$63.2A21.2A$64.A21.2A$61.3A$61.A$
88.2A$88.2A!
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Let's see, that gives some new composite transceiver options... I'm pretty sure there are conduits with forward glider outputs that make for better timing, so this is just a random sample:

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x = 105, y = 129, rule = LifeHistory
21.B2A$19.2BA2BAB$19.3B2A3B$17.12B$16.14B$17.13B$17.14B$16.15B$16.14B
$16.13B$16.B3D4B.3B$16.2BD4B$16.2B3D2B$16.6B$15.7B$14.8B$13.8B$12.9B$
11.2A2B.6B$10.A.AB.7B$10.A.B2.6B71.A$9.2A4.6B69.3A$15.6B68.A10.A$14.
8B67.2A8.A.A$15.8B49.A14.4B8.A.A$14.9B49.3A9.5B9.2A.3A$14.9B52.A7.8B.
B6.B4.A$14.10B50.2A6.12B3.B2AB3A$14.5B2A3B50.5B2.15B.B2A.A$14.5B2A4B
51.24B$14.11B50.2A21B$14.4BD7BA.2A45.2A21B$16.B3D4B2.2A.A46.B.19B$16.
D2B2D2B55.17B$16.6B57.17B$16.6B58.15B$16.7B58.13B$14.8B56.15B$14.8B
55.12B2.2B$13.9B.BA52.12B$13.10BA.A51.11B$12.3B.7B.2A51.B3D4B.4B$11.
10B56.2BD4B4.2A$11.6BD3B56.2B3D2B4.A$10.6B3D3B55.6B6.3A$10.8BD2B55.7B
8.A$10.10B55.8B$9.8B57.8B$9.8B56.9B$8.10B54.4B.6B$8.10B53.4B.7B14.A$
6.13B51.4B2.6B13.3A$5.14B50.4B3.8B4.B5.A$5.15B48.5B4.B2A6B.4B3.2A$.2B
.17B46.4B5.2B2A16B$2A20B44.4B7.17B$2A20B43.4B9.17B$.2B.2AB.15B41.4B
13.13B$4.2AB2.15B39.4B13.12B$8.10B2A5B37.4B14.10B$8.10B2A5B36.4B14.
11B$8.18B34.4B15.7B.2B$7.20B32.4B15.11B$7.20B31.4B17.11B$8.B.18B29.4B
18.11B$9.20B.B25.4B19.11B$10.18B.B2A23.4B18.2AB2.4B3DB$8.22B2A22.4B
18.A.AB3.4BD2B$8.2A.17B.2B22.4B19.A6.2B3D2B$9.A3.15B24.4B19.2A7.6B$6.
3A5.14B23.4B29.7B$6.A6.3BD6B2.4B21.4B30.8B$11.4BDBD5B3.4B19.4B32.8B$
11.4BDBD4B5.4B17.4B33.9B$9.7BD5B6.4B15.4B33.6B.2B2A$9.12B8.4B13.4B34.
7B.BABA$7.6BA7B9.4B11.4B36.6B2.2BAB$6.6BABAB.5B9.4B9.4B37.6B3.B2A$6.
5BA2BAB3.4B9.4B7.4B38.6B4.2B$6.6B2AB5.4B9.4B5.4B38.8B4.B$4.2AB.9B4.4B
9.3B4.4B38.8B$3.A.AB2.2B4.2A5.4B9.2B3.4B39.9B$3.A11.A7.4B8.2B2.4B40.
9B$2.2A12.3A5.4B6.3B2.3B40.10B$18.A6.4B4.4B2.3B40.3B2A5B$39.4B33.2A3.
4B2A5B$40.4B33.A3.11B$28.4B2.4B3.4B32.A.A12B$22.2A5.8B5.4B26.2A4.2A2.
8B$23.A5.7B7.4B7.A18.A9.7B4.2A$23.A.AB.7B9.4B6.3A16.A.AB7.6B4.A$24.2A
B.9B8.4B8.A16.2AB.3B3.6B.BA.A$26.11B.2B6.4B6.2A18.14B.B2A$26.13B2A6.
4B5.6B14.16B$26.13B2A7.4B6.5B14.14B$26.10B2.2B9.4B4.7B12.16B$23.2B.4B
2C3B15.4B2.8B10.18B$22.2A6B2C3B16.14B2.2B2.20B$22.2AB.3B2D4B17.22BD
15B$23.B.4B2D4B13.2A3.21BDBD4B.7B$28.7B14.A4.20B3D4B2.6B$29.5B.A13.A.
AB.22BD4B3.6B$27.4B3.A.A13.2A28B6.4B$27.2A6.2A14.17B.4B12.B2A2B$28.A
24.19B14.2A.B2A$25.3A16.A10.16B18.BA.A$25.A18.3A8.15B22.A$47.A7.14B
23.2A$46.2A3.B3.13B$46.8B.12B$48.18B$48.17B$47.17B$45.18B$43.19B$43.
2BC15B$42.3BCBC4B.9B$43.2B3C4B2.7B$42.5BC4B4.5B$41.10B3.5B$40.4B10.2A
$39.4B12.A$38.4B10.3A$37.B2AB11.A$36.3BA$35.B3A$34.2BAB$33.4B$32.4B!
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Not quite Spartan, so therefore probably not quite useful -- unless somebody can locate a better H-to-G0, of course. (CatForce?) Spartan H-to-G0s are easy to string together, but they're too big and awkward and slow to be worth dealing with.

Eventually I'm plotting to use the orientations from the last post, and the timing of the outputs, to come up with a unique short name for each conduit.

I don't like the bulky conduits that use rectifier, so I would place them in separate place, probably as supplementaries to the main basic conduits.

Makes sense, and I agree. I've left the questionable rectifier-assisted conduits in yellow for now; maybe I or someone will move them somewhere else eventually.

We should probably still generate a standardized name for all of these bulky conduits, though, and make a big list to go with a labeled stamp collection. Seems to me a text search for a name will turn up duplicate or near-duplicate conduits much more reliably than manual inspection of a big pile of conduits in a pattern -- with or without supplementary stamp collections...!

[simsim314]

Generally looks great! Nice job on collecting all those Pi->G and H->G I missed.

Few comments/issues/questions:

1. This is not a basic conduit - but rather uses some nice not trivial trick to combine two conduits. Two other conduits can be trivially combined to give the same result, so I would suggest to paint it yellow:

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x = 71, y = 57, rule = LifeHistory
10$30.A$28.3A$7.2A6.4B8.A$8.A5.7B6.2A$8.A.AB.10B.5B7.2A$9.2AB.17B6.A$
11.18B4.BA.A$11.21B.B2A$10.20B2A2B$10.2BD14B.2BA.AB$9.3BDBD4B.7B4.2A$
10.2B3D4B.7B$9.5BD13B$8.13B.7B$7.4B7.12B$6.4B9.12B$5.4B11.12B$5.2A14.
7B.4B$6.A15.6B2.4B$3.3A16.7B2.4B$3.A18.7B3.4B$22.8B.6B22.B$22.16B20.
3D$22.17B19.BDB$22.18B17.2B3D$23.18B16.5B$26.11B.4B15.6B$25.13B.4B5.
2A7.6B$24.20B3.B2AB6.5B$22.B.21B3.3B5.6B$18.2A.2A23B3.B7.6B$19.A.A.B.
28B3.7B$17.A.A.A.A38B$17.2A3.2A.B.35B$26.32B2A3B$26.32B2A2B$25.36B$
23.A35B$21.3A2.7B.22B2.2B$20.A5.7B3.7B.8B.2B2.B2AB$20.2A4.7B4.5B5.6B
5.2A$26.5B6.4B8.4B$24.2AB.2B7.4B7.B2A2B$23.A.AB10.B2AB8.2A$23.A14.2A$
22.2A!
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2. H->B that uses the first natural B from Herschel (like in the conduit above), is not spartan in your collection. It does the same as the newly spartan finding.

To be clear, you left this one (instead of the one I posted above):

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x = 111, y = 46, rule = LifeHistory
10$37.A$37.3A$23.2A15.A3.2A42.A$24.A14.2A4.A40.3A$24.A.A12.5B.A.2A16.
2A6.4B8.A$25.2A.4B9.B2A.A.A18.A5.7B6.2A$27.7B6.BA.A.A.A18.A.AB.10B.5B
7.2A$26.10B.4B2A3.A20.2AB.17B6.A$26.17B26.18B4.BA.A$25.17B27.21B.B2A$
24.18B26.20B2A2B$23.18B27.2BD15B.BA.AB$23.2BD15B26.3BDBD4B.7B4.2A$22.
3BDBD4B.7B28.2B3D4B2.B2D2BD$23.2B3D4B2.B2D2BD27.5BD4B4.3D$22.5BD4B4.
3D27.10B6.D$21.10B6.D27.4B$20.4B40.4B$19.4B40.4B$18.4B41.2A$18.2A44.A
$19.A41.3A$16.3A42.A$16.A!
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3. Why did you stopped at H->G8? There were few pretty cool above G8. I had one very simple G12. You posted G18->G so why stop at G8?

4. G-> G4 for some reason uses state3 of LifeHistory instead of state1 like all other conduits.

5. I've posted new Pi->QB see few messages above.

6. I'm very close to find something that works for QB (some annoying debris are always left, but this is just matter of time until we find some normal QB conduit), so please keep the track for those. On the other hand some deep into the filled territory Rs, are probably useless and pretty common, but we have nothing to do with them - so these conduits could be safely removed, until further notice.

7. I'm somehow missing silver reflector. It should be considered basic spartan G->H at least for now.

[dvgrn]

EDIT: Pretty nice H-to-B with the help of the same BTS...

It sure looks like a nice new converter -- HR117B. So I threw it into the elementary-conduit collection.

However, now when I try to give the output B some kind of future by connecting it up with something, I keep running into problems:

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x = 43, y = 35, rule = LifeHistory
31.2A$22.2A6.B2AB$21.B2A2B4.3B$7.2A13.4B.2B2.B$8.A12.13B$8.A.AB7.15B$
9.2AB.3B3.15B$11.23B$11.24B$12.24B$11.25B$9.26B$7.19B.8B$7.2BD15B2.9B
3.2A$6.3BDBD4B.7B3.8B4.A$7.2B3D4B2.6B4.6B2.BA.A$6.5BD4B2.7B3.B2D2BDB.
B2A$5.10B3.7B3.2B3D4B4.2A$4.4B10.6B5.2BD5B4.A$3.4B11.6B4.9B.BA.A$2.4B
11.5B7.8B.B2A$2.2A10.A2.A.2A8.10B$3.A10.4A.A9.7B2AB$3A16.A.A7.7B2A$A
15.2A2.2A7.5B.2B$16.A12.2DBD2B$17.A10.3DBD2B.B$16.2A9.2DB3D3B2A$28.D
7B2A$29.D7B$31.B2.5B$30.3B4.2A$29.B2AB4.A$30.2A6.3A$40.A!
#C [[ VIEWONLY THUMBNAIL ]]

Even the last-resort BBx187H* runs into pi-explosion difficulties:

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x = 70, y = 51, rule = LifeHistory
31.2A$22.2A6.B2AB$21.B2A2B4.3B$22.4B.2B2.B$21.13B$19.15B$13.3B3.15B$
12.22B$12.23B$12.24B$11.25B$9.26B$7.19B.8B$7.2BC15B2.9B$6.3BCBC4B.7B
3.8B$7.2B3C4B2.7B3.6B$6.5BC4B2.8B2.B2D2BDB$5.10B3.9B.2B3D3B$4.4B10.
10B.2BD4B$3.4B11.6B.12B$2.4B11.5B4.12B$2.2A10.A2.A.2A6.12B$3.A10.4A.A
8.7B.4B$3A16.A.A7.6B2.4B$A15.2A2.2A7.7B2.4B$16.A12.7B3.4B$17.A11.8B.
6B22.B$16.2A11.16B20.3D$29.17B19.BDB$29.18B17.2B3D$30.18B16.5B$33.11B
.4B15.6B$32.13B.4B5.2A7.6B$31.20B3.B2AB6.5B$29.B.21B3.3B5.6B$25.2A.2A
23B3.B7.6B$26.A.A.B.28B3.7B$24.A.A.A.A38B$24.2A3.2A.B.35B$33.32B2A3B$
33.32B2A2B$32.36B$30.A35B$28.3A2.7B.22B2.2B$27.A5.7B3.7B.8B.2B2.B2AB$
27.2A4.7B4.5B5.6B5.2A$33.5B6.4B8.4B$31.2AB.2B7.4B7.B2A2B$30.A.AB10.B
2AB8.2A$30.A14.2A$29.2A!

Anyone have a good workaround, or another connection that works?

* Drat, that's an annoying sort-of-ambiguity with my proposed naming scheme. The first 'B' stands for the B-heptomino input, but then the following 'Bx' is short for 'Backward, flipped'.

Names will still be unique, just a bit more confusing to read than I thought they would be, for a few backward-output cases. Of course the right-turn R conduits will have the same problem... Bah. I think it still works. Will keep experimenting.

[Scorbie]

Can somebody clean up? Catgl failed to remove that block. Maybe a transparent catalyst could clean them up.
Oh wait. Forgot to say that I only used spartan catalysts.

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x = 26, y = 36, rule = B3/S23
19b2o$19b2o8$5b2o$4bo2bo$5b2o3$2b2o$3bo$3o$o9$21b2o$21b2o3$22bo$21bobo
$20b2ob2o$21bo2bo$21bo3bo$21bo!

[Kazyan]

Anyone have a good workaround, or another connection that works?

Martin Grant's "left turn at albequerque" conduit seems to be the only thing that works for now:

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x = 102, y = 64, rule = LifeHistory
31.2A$22.2A6.B2AB$21.B2A2B4.3B$22.4B.2B2.B19.4B$21.13B18.4B$19.15B19.
4B$13.3B3.15B20.4B$12.22B21.4B$12.23B21.4B$12.24B21.4B11.A$11.25B2.B
19.4B10.3A$9.26B3.3B5.7B.B4.4B12.A$7.19B.8B3.3B5.13B.4B10.2A$7.2BC15B
2.9B2.33B3.5B$6.3BCBC4B.7B3.8B3.34B4.5B$7.2B3C4B2.7B3.6B4.34B2.7B$6.
5BC4B2.8B.2B2D2BD14B2A22B.9B$5.10B3.12B3D15B2A31B$4.4B10.13BD23B3.2B
2.20B$3.4B11.6B.13B3.B2.10B11.18B$2.4B11.5B4.11BAB6.6B16.17B$2.2A10.A
2.A.2A5.4B2A2B2.A.A7.3B19.17B$3.A10.4A.A6.4B2AB3.2A8.B21.18B$3A16.A.A
4.4B.B13.2A19.8B.12B$A15.2A2.2A4.5B14.A20.2A3.B3.13B$16.A11.4B14.A20.
A7.14B$17.A11.4B12.2A17.3A8.15B$16.2A12.4B30.A10.16B$31.4B38.19B$32.
4B35.17B.4B$33.4B33.2A28B$34.4B31.A.AB.22BD4B$35.4B30.A4.20B3D4B$36.
4B28.2A3.21BDBD4B$37.4B31.22BD6B$38.4B29.14B2.2B2.10B$39.4B27.4B2.8B
10.8B$40.4B25.4B4.7B13.4B$41.4B23.4B6.5B15.2B$42.4B21.4B5.6B$43.4B19.
4B6.2A$44.4B6.A10.4B8.A$45.4B5.3A7.4B6.3A$46.4B7.A5.4B7.A$47.4B5.2A4.
4B$48.4B4.9B$49.4B5.6B$50.4B2.8B$51.15B$52.14B$53.13B$54.10B.B2A$56.
3B2AB3.BA.A$56.3B2AB6.A$58.4B6.2A$58.3B$55.AB.2B$54.A.AB2AB$54.A.ABAB
AB$51.2A.A.A.A.A2.A$51.A2.A2.2A.4A$53.2A4.A$59.A.A$60.2A!

Also, am I going mad, or do we not have this one?

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x = 13, y = 7, rule = LifeHistory
11.2A$11.A$.2D6.A.A$D.D6.2A$D2.3C$D.DC2.C$.2D2.2C!