## The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

For discussion of specific patterns or specific families of patterns, both newly-discovered and well-known.

### Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

gmc_nxtman wrote:I think he meant how to search for his own conduits, in which case try downloading ptbsearch/bellman/catforce and inputting a herschel.

Ah.
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### Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

A for awesome wrote:Any hope of restoring this blinker?...

Sorry, meant to answer this sooner. I don't know about a Bellman solution, but here's a related old-hat result. It's possible to restore the useful two-thirds of that blinker, repeatedly, with a p6 pipsquirter:

`#C p6 Herschel fanout (64 and 65 steps)#C The fanout uses Noam Elkies' p6 pipsquirt. One of the two output#C Herschels (appearing in gen 64) is turned right w.r.t. the input#C Herschel, the other one (gen 65) is turned left and flipped.#C Dietrich Leithner, 1 December 1997x = 30, y = 41, rule = LifeHistory13.2A\$13.A.A\$15.A\$11.4A.2A\$11.A2.A.A.A\$9.2A2.2A.A.A\$8.A2.2A2.2A.A.2A\$7.A.2A2.2A.A.A.2A\$7.A3.2A4.A\$8.3A.A.3A\$10.A3.A2\$12.A\$10.2BA\$9.5B\$5.2B2.7B\$3.D13B2.2B2.2B\$.DBD22BD\$B3D22BDBD\$.D24B3DB\$3.25BD\$8.B.17B\$11.9B.B\$10.8B\$10.7B\$9.11B\$9.12B\$9.12B\$10.11B\$8.4B.4B3CB\$8.2A4.4BC2B\$9.A4.2B3C2B\$6.3A6.6B\$6.A8.7B\$17.B.4B\$20.4B\$21.3B\$23.B2A\$23.BA.A\$26.A\$26.2A!`

I guess that this didn't make it into Hersrch in the form of Lx65p6 and Rx64p6 conduits, only because lower-period forms of both conduits were available. Makes it easy to forget about this nice Herschel-splitting reaction, though.

It might be worth looking at this again, especially if higher-period pipsquirters are found. I guess p7 or p8 pipsquirters wouldn't work, though -- haven't checked higher periods.

Or... I don't remember if this Herschel splitter has been thoroughly checked against the current gun collection. Seems as if it would be easy enough to attach a syringe to the input. But it would only work for p6N, of course.

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### Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

Found this R-to-G while doing related things--it's either new or just not in the October edition of the elementary conduits collection.

`x = 23, y = 16, rule = LifeHistory9.2A8.A\$8.B2A2B4.3A\$9.4B3.A\$7.6B3.2A\$6.6B.B.3B\$6.5B2.3B\$6.2BC9B\$6.2B2C9B\$5.2B2C10B\$4.15B\$3.14B.B2A\$2.4B2.B2.5B2.BA.A\$.D3B6.2B8.A\$D3B8.AB7.2A\$3D8.A.A\$11.2A!`
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### Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

I searched for conduits that involved a very early catalysis of a Herschel, aiming to find a new dependent conduit that was compatible with the Syringe. I had no luck in that regard but I did find a couple of interesting reactions:

`x = 68, y = 25, rule = LifeHistory64.B\$.B61.3D\$.2B60.BDB\$.3B6.A51.2B3D\$.4B5.3A49.5B\$2.4B7.A48.6B\$3.4B5.2A48.6B\$4.4B4.5B45.5B\$5.4B5.6B41.6B\$6.4B2.8B3.BA36.7B\$7.11B2A3BA.A34.8B\$8.10B2A4BA34.8B\$9.13B.B33.11B\$10.BC7BD2B34.C7BD3B\$9.3BC6BDBDB31.3BC6BDBD\$8.4B2C5B3DB31.3B2C5B3D\$8.3B2C8BDB31.2B2C8BD\$9.2BC10B32.2BC9B\$10.7B2.B35.9B2A\$13.3B42.6B2A\$12.2B.2B40.8B\$12.3B2AB39.6B\$3C9.2B.2A28.3C9.4B\$2.C9.2B33.C9.2B2AB\$.C44.C12.2A!`

I think the first one is only compatible with one of the R->H conduits, giving a new R-G:

`x = 35, y = 27, rule = LifeHistory7.4B\$8.4B\$9.4B6.A\$10.4B5.3A\$11.4B7.A\$12.4B5.2A\$13.4B4.5B\$8.4B2.4B5.6B\$7.6B2.4B2.8B3.BA\$7.8B.11B2A3BA.A\$7.20B2A4BA\$2.3B.11B.13B.B\$2.7BC18BD2B\$.8B2C17BDBDB\$8B2C18B3DB\$.29BDB\$2.29B\$2.2B2A20B2.B\$2.BA2BA12B4.2B\$3.ABA12B6.2B\$3.BA13B5.B2AB\$3.16B5.2A\$3.16B\$5.13B\$5.13B\$5.12B\$12.B!`

The second gives a tolerable B->G, or a B->H if you have a bit more time and space:

`x = 130, y = 79, rule = LifeHistory107.2A\$105.2B2AB\$105.4B\$105.6B\$105.8B\$93.7B.B4.6B2A\$93.13B.B2.2B2A\$91.C22B\$91.BC21BD\$90.2B2C18B3DB\$18.2A69.2B2C2B2A15BDBD\$18.2A69.2BC3B2A15BD3B\$91.11B3.11B\$91.10B5.9B\$92.6B7.4B.6B\$4.7B.B10.2A68.3B8.4B2.6B\$4.13B.B4.2A68.B9.13B\$2.C21B68.2A8.4B.10B\$2.BC21BD66.A8.4B3.9B\$.2B2C18B3DB63.A.A7.4B5.8B\$2B2C2B2A15BDBD64.2A7.4B7.7B6.2A\$2BC3B2A15BD3B71.4B8.2B3D2B6.A\$2.11B3.2B2.7B70.4B9.2BD4B3.BA.A\$2.10B9.5B70.4B10.B3D4B2.B2A\$3.6B12.6B68.4B11.11B\$4.3B14.6B67.4B12.11B\$4.B12.10B9.2A55.4B13.11B\$3.2A13.10B8.A55.4B15.11B\$3.A15.10B4.BA.A54.4B16.2B.7B\$4.A15.12B.B2A54.4B16.11B\$3.2A16.13B55.4B17.10B\$21.2B3D8B54.4B16.12B\$21.2BD9B42.2A10.4B15.13B\$21.B3D10B41.A9.4B15.17B\$21.14B39.A10.4B16.18B\$21.13B40.5A5.4B5.2A8.2AB.13B2A2B\$21.14B44.A4.4B5.A8.A.AB3.4B.6B2AB\$22.13B41.3AB2.7B.BA.A8.A8.B4.8B4.2A\$25.10B40.A.2B3.7B.B2A8.2A15.6B4.A\$24.11B3.2A35.4A12B26.7B.BA.A\$23.12B3.A34.2A2.BA3B2A7B26.6B.2B2A\$24.12BA.A33.A2.3AB.2B2A7B27.8B\$23.13B2A34.2A.A.B3.10B27.8B\$23.13B39.A8.8B25.8B\$23.13B39.2A7.9B24.7B\$21.2AB2.10B49.3B2.4B14.2A7.6B\$20.A.AB2.10B47.5B3.4B14.A6.2B3D2B\$20.A6.9B47.2A7.4B13.A.AB3.4BD2B\$19.2A5.8B.B2A46.A8.4B13.2AB2.4B3DB\$24.B.7B2.BA.A42.3A10.4B4.A9.11B\$23.2A9B4.A42.A13.4B3.3A7.11B\$23.2AB.8B3.2A56.4B5.A6.11B\$24.B2.7B2A61.4B3.2AB4.11B\$29.B3.BA.A61.4B2.3B5.7B6.2A\$28.3B5.A62.4B2.3B4.8B5.A\$27.B2AB5.2A54.2A6.8B5.8B.BA.A\$28.2A63.A6.21B.B2A\$93.A.AB2.24B\$94.2AB.25B\$96.27B\$96.26B\$96.26B\$96.22B.B\$97.20B\$98.18B\$100.15B\$101.13B\$101.12B\$100.12B\$100.6B.4B\$101.9B\$101.8B\$100.8B\$100.7B\$101.5B\$101.3D2B\$102.BDB\$102.3D\$103.B!`
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### Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

Non-spartan backwards R-to-B:

`x = 17, y = 17, rule = LifeHistory11.2A\$6.2A2.A.A\$6.A3.A4.A\$7.3A.5A\$2A7.A.A\$.A7.A.A.3A\$.A.A6.2A.A2.A\$2.2A11.2A4\$7.C\$6.3C\$6.C\$6.2D2.D\$7.3D\$8.D!`

Normally that large catalyst is equivalent to an Eater 3, but in this case, the reaction specifically uses the catalyst's weird way of sticking out a few cells while recovering in order to delete an annoying block.
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### Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

`x = 30, y = 40, rule = B3/S2314bo\$15bo\$13b3o10\$28bo\$27bobo\$27bobo\$28bo5\$27b2o\$27b2o\$2o12bo\$2o13bo\$13b3o2\$25b2o\$25bobo\$27bo\$4b2o5b2o3b2o9b2o\$3bobo4bo2bo2b2o4b2o\$3bo6bo2bo8bobo\$2b2o7b2o10b2o2\$20b2o\$21bo\$9b2o7b3o\$10bo7bo\$7b3o\$7bo!`

Now, how to actually get the signal out?

EDIT: New R-to-G. Known lane, different timing:

`x = 12, y = 25, rule = B3/S2310b2o\$10bo\$8bobo\$8b2o\$4b2o\$4bobo\$5b2o6\$bo\$b2o\$2o7b2o\$9b2o5\$8b2o\$8bo\$9b3o\$11bo!`
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### Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

Apologies for serial posting, but this knocked my socks off:

`x = 36, y = 38, rule = LifeHistory25.3D\$24.D2BD\$24.3BDB\$23.D3BDB\$24.3BD2B\$23.BDBD2B\$24.6B\$23.6B\$24.6B\$23.6B\$24.6B\$23.6B\$24.6B\$23.6B\$24.6B\$23.6B\$24.6B\$16.B6.6B\$15.3B6.6B\$13.6B4.7B\$7.4B2.7B3.8B\$7.25B\$4.4BD24B\$2A2.4BDBD20BD2B\$.2A2.3B3DB2A16BDBD2B\$2A2.6BDB2A16BDBD2B\$A3.3B2.22BD4B\$9.26B\$11.B2.20B\$14.19B\$14.17B\$14.18B\$15.5B.11B\$15.4B2.12B\$22.4B.2BA3B\$27.BABA2B\$28.2A2B\$30.B!`

Yep, that's a direct H->MWSS. The only issue is the leftover beehive, but it can easily be worked around with things like this:

`x = 50, y = 63, rule = LifeHistory39.3D\$38.D2BD\$38.3BDB\$37.D3BDB\$38.3BD2B\$37.BDBD2B\$38.6B\$37.6B\$38.6B\$37.6B\$38.6B\$37.6B\$38.6B\$37.6B\$38.6B\$7.2A28.6B\$6.B2AB28.6B\$7.2B21.B6.6B\$2.B3.2B21.3B6.6B\$.2AB.4B18.6B4.7B\$.2A8B10.4B2.7B3.8B\$2.B.B2A6B2.2B2.27B\$5.2A15BD24B\$5.17BDBD20BC2B\$.21B3DB2A16BCBC2B\$.23BDB2A16BCBC2B\$2A43BC4B\$2A14B.B5.26B\$.B.11B11.B2.20B\$3.10B15.19B\$4.12B12.17B\$3.14B11.18B\$4.13B12.5B.11B\$4.13B12.4B2.12B\$6.2B.4B3DB18.5B.2BA3B\$10.4BD2B17.4B3.BABA2B\$10.2B3D2B16.4B5.2A2B\$11.6B15.4B8.B\$11.7B13.4B\$11.8B11.4B\$12.8B9.4B\$12.9B7.4B\$11.6B.13B\$11.7B.5BC5B\$12.6B2.4B3C2B\$12.7B.4BCBC3B\$11.15BC2B\$11.18B\$10.18B\$6.B3.19B\$5.2AB.15B2.4B\$5.2A18B2.4B\$6.B.3B2A12B3.4B\$9.2B2A11B5.4B\$10.2B2.10B6.4B\$9.2B3.6B.B9.4B\$8.B2AB2.4B14.4B\$9.2A3.2B2AB14.3B\$16.2A16.4B\$36.2A\$36.A\$37.3A\$39.A!`
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### Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

Wow. That's a nice find for sure! How well can it be hooked up to a syringe? G->MWSS and MWSS->G are both pretty simple now.

Also it is spartan.. A real gem.
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### Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

Here's one way to do it, with a repeat time of 157:

`x = 81, y = 52, rule = B3/S237b2o\$7b2o3\$b2o\$b2o\$5b2o\$5b2o\$45bo\$26b2o16bobo\$26b2o16bobo\$2o43bo\$2o7\$43bo\$42bobo\$42b2o4\$52bo23bo\$50b3o22bo\$49bo25b3o\$36b2o11b2o11bo\$36b2o24b3o\$65bo\$64b2o\$79b2o\$79bo\$76b2obo\$5b2o68bo2bo\$5b2o69b2o\$11b2o48b2o\$11b2o17b2o29b2o\$30bo\$31b3o\$9b2o22bo\$9b2o5b2o30b2o3bo\$16b2o30bo3bobo\$49bo3bobo\$36b2o12bo3bobob2o\$37bo10bob4o2bob2o\$34b3o10bobo3bobo\$34bo12bobo2bo2b2ob2o\$48bo3b2o2bobo\$56bobo10b2o\$57bo11b2o!`

There's probably room for improvement, though.
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### Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

What the!!! Real congrats to Kazyan!
Another possibility is to use the beehive up to make a herschel or glider pair, I think. So that the reaction goes:
G + hive -> H or 2G
2G or H -> MWSS + the same hive
for a spartan G->MWSS.
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### Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

dvgrn wrote:I hadn't noticed before that the LWSS->G mechanism accepts MWSSes perfectly happily. So now there are small fast 45-degree and 135-degree MWSS->G converters.

-- Uh-oh. If a direct H-to-LWSS or H-to-MWSS is found, quite possibly a fair fraction of the gun collection will suddenly be obsolete again (because orthogonal signals fit so much better into long thin minimum-area bounding boxes)... Ah, well, time enough to burn that bridge if we come to it.

Correct:

`x = 17, y = 26, rule = B3/S2316bo\$14b3o\$13bo\$13b2o\$2o\$bo\$bobo\$2b2o\$10b2o\$9bo2bo\$6bo3b2o\$4bo3bo\$9bo\$4bo4bo\$5b5o\$13b2o\$13bo\$14b3o\$16bo\$9b2obo\$2o3b2o2b2ob3o\$o2bo2bo8bo\$b5o3b2ob3o\$10bobo\$3b2obo3bobo\$3bob2o4bo!`

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### Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

I mean, the 45-degree one is longer known and smaller.
`x = 43, y = 9, rule = B3/S2335b2o\$35bobob2obo\$37bobob2o\$37b2o\$20bo\$b3o14bo3bo\$5o18bo16b2o\$3ob2o12bo4bo16b2o\$3b2o14b5o!`

I'll update this post with any gun improvements I find.

For now, here's a G->MWSS by a different mechanism that isn't too useful, repeat time 475, but the lane is unblocked during recovery.
`x = 192, y = 143, rule = LifeHistory189.BA\$188.2A.B\$189.2A21\$166.A\$166.A.A\$166.2A60\$36.2A\$35.A.A\$29.2A4.A\$27.A2.A2.2A.4A\$27.2A.A.A.A.A2.A\$30.A.ABABAB\$30.A.AB2AB\$31.AB.2B\$34.3B\$34.4B6.2A\$32.3B2AB6.A\$32.3B2AB3.BA.A\$30.10B.B2A\$29.13B\$28.14B48.A\$27.15B48.A.A\$26.4B2.8B50.2A\$25.4B5.6B\$24.4B4.9B\$9.A13.4B5.2A4.4B\$9.3A10.4B7.A5.4B\$12.A8.4B5.3A7.4B\$11.2A7.4B6.A10.4B\$11.5B3.4B19.4B\$13.3B2.4B21.4B\$3.2A7.9B23.4B\$3.A8.8B25.3B\$2A.A.B3.10B27.2B\$A2.3AB.2B2A7B28.B\$.2A2.BA3B2A7B\$3.4A12B33.6B\$3.A.2B3.7B.B2A32.6B\$4.3AB2.7B.BA.A2.2A26.6B\$7.A4.4B5.A2.A28.6B\$2.5A5.4B5.3A2.A25.6B12.A\$2.A10.4B7.3A26.6B11.A.A\$4.A9.4B5.A21.B6.6B12.2A\$3.2A10.4B4.2A19.3B6.6B\$8.2A6.9B17.6B4.7B\$9.A7.6B13.4B2.7B3.8B\$9.A.2A5.6B3.B2.2B2.27B\$10.A2.A4.19BD24B\$11.2AB3.20BDBD20BC2B\$12.14B2A9B3DB2A16BCBC2B\$13.13B2A11BDB2A15B.CBC2B\$14.46BC10B2A2B\$14.17B.B5.32BA2BAB\$15.15B10.B2.27BA2BAB\$15.15B13.28B2A2B\$16.13B14.17B.3B.10B\$18.13B12.18B5.9B\$17.8B4.2A.A11.5B.11B7.7B\$17.6B6.2AB3A9.4B2.12B4.9B\$17.5B8.B4.A15.4B.2BA3B4.2A4.2B\$17.B.B9.2A.3A21.BABA2B5.A\$18.3B9.A.A24.2A2B3.3A\$17.B2AB9.A.A26.B4.A\$18.2A11.A!`

Stable G-> MWSS with very few non-spartan elements.. and an atrocious repeat time. Should be way improvable, Hersrch isn't really up to date anymore.
`x = 105, y = 171, rule = LifeHistory7\$83.2A\$83.2A5.2A\$90.2A\$54.2A\$55.A\$37.2B15.A14.2A17.2A\$36.4B14.2A14.A17.2A\$36.4B15.B14.A.A21.2A\$32.B2.6B14.3B13.2A21.2A\$31.2AB.2B2A2B13.6B16.6B\$31.2A3BA2BA3B.B8.10B11.8B\$32.2B.2B2A7B3.2B2.11B3.2B2.B\$35.18BD3B2A13B\$36.17B2D2B2A13B\$36.18B2D16B\$36.18BD17B\$35.18BD18B\$33.B.13B2.B4.13B.3B23.A\$32.2AB.12B7.7B.B5.3B21.3A\$32.2A4BD9B44.A\$33.2B.B3D7B45.2A\$28.A7.D2B2D6B18.2A\$29.A6.10B18.A.A\$27.3A6.6B22.A\$36.7B20.2A\$34.8B\$34.8B\$33.9B.BA\$33.10BA.A\$32.3B.7B.2A\$31.12B18.A\$31.6BD5B18.3A35.2A\$31.B2.2B2CD4B2.3B16.A34.2A\$31.B.2BA2BC3B.6B5.2A7.2A\$32.4B2A9BA2B5.A\$24.B.B.B.7B.8BABA6.A.A\$23.24B2A7.2A36.2A\$23.25B46.2A\$23.23B52.2A\$23.24B51.2A\$23.24B\$23.B.B.B.B.16B\$33.14B45.2A\$33.13B6.A23.2A14.2A\$33.11B7.A.A22.A\$32.13B7.A14.2A8.3A\$31.15B21.A11.A\$30.16B22.3A\$29.17B24.A\$30.16B\$31.13B10.2A\$31.5B2A2B13.A.A\$33.3B2A2B13.A\$34.8B10.2A\$68.2A.A\$68.A.2A2\$61.2A\$61.2A\$46.A\$46.3A\$49.A\$48.2A10\$34.2A36.A\$34.2A34.3A\$25.2A42.A\$25.A2.A40.2A\$21.2A4.2A\$22.A20.2A\$22.A.A18.A\$8.2A13.2A16.A.A\$8.2A31.2A2\$74.2A\$2.2A70.A\$2.2A68.A.A\$6.2A64.2A\$6.2A2\$58.2A\$57.A.A\$.2A54.A\$.2A32.2A19.2A\$35.2A2.2A\$39.A.A\$41.A32.2A.A\$41.2A31.A.2A\$33.2A\$34.A32.2A\$27.2A5.A.A30.2A\$27.2A6.A.A\$36.A3.2A\$40.2A12.A\$8.2A34.2A8.3A\$9.A34.A12.A\$6.3A33.A.A11.2A\$6.A35.2A5\$9.2A4.2A\$9.2A4.2A2\$77.2A\$77.A\$14.2A59.A.A\$10.2A2.2A59.2A\$9.A.A\$9.A\$8.2A28.2A\$38.A\$39.3A\$41.A6\$74.2A\$58.2A14.2A\$59.A\$56.3A\$56.A4\$30.2A\$30.2A30.A\$39.2A21.3A\$37.A2.A24.A\$37.2A4.2A19.2A\$21.2A20.A16.2A\$22.A18.A.A16.A\$22.A.A16.2A19.A\$23.2A36.2A6\$58.2A\$58.2A17.2A\$77.2A3\$29.2A47.2A\$25.2A2.2A47.A\$24.A.A38.2A12.3A\$24.A41.A14.A\$23.2A38.3A\$63.A!`
Last edited by biggiemac on October 17th, 2015, 2:18 am, edited 3 times in total.
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### Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

Huh!! Didn't notice that LWSS/MWSS to G. A lot of interesting discoveries recently! Congrats to gmc-nxtman!
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### Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

The MWSS-to-G that I posted is from Ivan Fomichev.

EDIT: In retrospect, I should've credited him in the original post...
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gmc_nxtman

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### Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

Whoops. Sorry for serial posting... But Congrats to Ivan!!

And another important thing:
Kazyan's H-MWSS is a dependent component! Can that work directly with the syringe-variant-with-eater2-that-only-dependent-conduits-can-follow? This leaves the beehive but it greatly increases glider constructibility, I think!
Best wishes to you, Scorbie

Scorbie

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### Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

It definitely works, one of the patterns I posted above uses the dependent syringe to feed the new MWSS conduit. The beehive is a bit of a nuisance though, and after trying to get some advantage out of the surplus beehive for a few hours to no avail I think preceding this H->MWSS by a pair of R64s is probably our best bet for a good repeat time or for spartan design.
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biggiemac

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### Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

I see... I guess the silver reflector variant G-H with two R64s attatched (or something similar) would be the best spartan G->MWSS for now, then.
EDIT: Can anyone try to find a bellman catalyst to clean up that hive?
Best wishes to you, Scorbie

Scorbie

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### Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

Kazyan wrote:Yep, that's a direct H->MWSS.

This is amazing!

This may not be very useful, but I noticed a glider can do the same trick as the boat, which leaves a block to clean up instead of the hive:

`x = 24, y = 38, rule = LifeHistory8.E\$7.E2.E\$7.E3.E\$7.E3.E2.2A\$6.2E3.E2.2A\$7.E2.E11\$9.2A\$9.2A5\$20.E\$20.3E\$20.E.E\$22.E6\$2.2A\$.A.A16.2A\$.A18.A\$2A4.2A13.3A\$7.A15.A\$4.3A\$4.A!`
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### Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

Kazyan wrote:Yep, that's a direct H->MWSS.

Wow. I was actually working on some composite G->*WSS recently. Didn't expect a direct one to show up so soon. Congratulations!

Using the new G->MWSS mechanism I can get a repeat time of 98 with fairly reasonable bounding box:

`x = 127, y = 65, rule = LifeHistory80.2A11.A\$79.B2AB9.A.A26.B\$80.3B9.A.A24.2A2B\$79.B.B9.2A.3A21.BABA2B\$79.5B8.B4.A15.4B.2BA3B\$79.6B6.2AB3A9.4B2.12B\$79.8B4.2A.A11.5B.11B\$80.13B12.18B\$78.13B14.17B\$77.15B13.19B\$77.15B10.B2.20B\$76.17B.B5.26B\$76.51B\$75.13B2A13B2A21B\$74.14B2A13B2A21B\$73.2AB3.46B\$72.A2.A4.44B\$71.A.2A5.6B3.B2.2B2.27B\$71.A7.6B13.4B2.18B\$70.2A6.9B17.9B.7B\$42.A34.4B4.2A19.6B3.6B\$42.3A31.4B5.A21.4B3.6B\$38.A6.A29.4B7.3A17.4B5.6B\$B36.A.A4.2A28.4B10.A16.4B5.6B\$BC35.A.A4.5B24.4B27.4B7.6B\$2BC32.3A.2A5.4B11.A10.4B27.4B7.6B\$3CB30.A4.B5.5B9.3A9.4B27.4B9.6B\$.4B23.A6.3AB2AB2.6B8.A11.4B27.4B9.6B\$2.4B22.3A6.A.2AB2.6B.2B5.2A9.4B27.4B11.6B\$3.4B24.A7.21B8.4B27.4B11.6B\$4.4B10.A11.2A3.B5.17B9.4B17.2A8.4B13.6B\$5.4B7.3A11.8B2.15B2A2B7.4B14.A.A2.A7.4B3.A9.6B\$6.4B5.A16.22BA2BA2B5.4B13.3A.2A8.4B3.A.A9.6B\$7.4B4.2A15.23B2A3B4.4B13.A4.B8.4B4.A.A8.6B\$2A6.9B14.19B3.9B.4B11.A2.4AB2AB5.4B4.2A.2A8.6B\$.A7.6B14.21B4.12B12.3A3.A.2AB.2B.4B6.B10.6B\$.A.2A5.6B3.B2.2B2.25B4.10B16.A4.10B6.2AB2A3.2A3.6B\$2.A2.A4.34B4.4B3.9B16.2AB4.9B6.2A.A.A.A.A2.6B\$3.2AB3.27B.6B6.4B.9B17.5B.12B3.4B2.A.A5.6B\$4.14B2A16B2.B.5B5.4B.7B20.23B.2A.2A3.6B\$5.13B2A16B7.2A6.10B19.25B10.6B\$6.29B8.A8.4B.2B7.A13.25B9.6B\$6.17B.B.2B16.3A6.4B7.3A12.27B9.6B\$7.15B4.3B17.A7.4B5.A15.27B8.6B\$7.15B5.A2B.2A22.4B4.2A15.25B10.6B\$8.13B5.A.A2B.A15.2A6.9B14.21B.4B.2B2.2A2.6B\$10.13B2.A.AB2.A17.A7.6B14.20B5.3B2ABA2.A3.6B\$9.8B4.2A.A.A3.A18.A.2A5.6B3.B2.2B2.20B10.ABAB3A3.6B\$9.6B6.2ABA2.4A.A17.A2.A4.36B10.A.A8.6B\$9.5B8.B2.A.A3.A.A17.2AB3.27B.9B8.3A.5A3.6B\$9.B.B9.2A.2A2.A2.A.A18.14B2A16B2.7B8.A3.A4.A4.6B\$10.3B9.A.A2.2A3.A20.13B2A16B3.5B9.2A2.A.A6.6B\$9.B2AB9.A.A29.29B5.3B15.2A7.6B\$10.2A11.A30.17B.B.2B10.7B21.6B\$55.15B4.3B9.2A.B.2A22.6B\$55.15B5.A2B.2A6.A3.A22.6B\$56.13B5.A.A2B.A3.3A5.3A20.6B\$58.13B2.A.AB2.A4.A9.A19.6B\$57.8B4.2A.A.A3.A36.6B\$57.6B6.2ABA2.4A.A33.6B\$57.5B8.B2.A.A3.A.A33.6B\$57.B.B9.2A.2A2.A2.A.A32.6B\$58.3B9.A.A2.2A3.A34.6B\$57.B2AB9.A.A41.6B\$58.2A11.A43.6B!`

I found getting better compression at a similar size difficult because the clean-up glider would need to come from the other side. For compression equal to that of the Syringe here are the best G->MWSS and G->LWSS that I could up with (they are optimised versions of the patterns here):

`x = 543, y = 300, rule = 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chris_c

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### Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

Kazyan's discovery made me install Golly. Oh well.
Here are my attempts towards slow-salvo constructible G->M.
Pure spartan: (repeat time 497?)
`x = 104, y = 132, rule = LifeHistory49.3D\$48.D2BD\$48.3BDB\$47.D3BDB\$48.3BD2B\$47.BDBD2B\$48.6B\$47.6B\$48.6B\$47.6B\$48.6B\$47.6B\$48.6B\$47.6B\$48.6B\$17.2A28.6B\$16.B2AB28.6B\$17.2B21.B6.6B\$12.B3.2B21.3B6.6B\$11.2AB.4B18.6B4.7B\$11.2A8B10.4B2.7B3.8B\$12.B.B2A6B2.2B2.27B\$15.2A15BD24B\$15.17BDBD20BC2B\$11.21B3DB2A16BCBC2B\$11.23BDB2A16BCBC2B\$10.2A43BC4B\$10.2A14B.B5.26B\$11.B.11B11.B2.20B\$13.10B15.19B13.2B\$14.12B12.17B13.5B\$13.14B11.18B10.7B\$14.13B12.5B.11B9.9B12.2A\$14.13B12.4B2.12B8.15B6.A\$16.2B.4B3DB18.5B.2BA3B2.2A5.16B.BA.A\$20.4BD2B17.4B3.BABA2B3.A5.16B.B2A\$20.2B3D2B16.4B5.2A2B4.A.AB2.18B\$21.6B15.4B8.B6.2AB.19B\$21.7B13.4B18.21B\$21.8B11.4B19.21B\$22.8B9.4B4.B.7B7.23B\$22.9B7.4B.13B4.B2.B.22B9.A\$21.6B.29BD30B6.3A\$21.7B.5BD21BD32B4.A\$22.6B2.4B3D18B2D33B3.2A\$22.7B.4BDBD15B2A2B2D37B5.B\$21.15BD15B2A3BD35B5.5B\$21.19B2.2B3.11B.36B2.6B\$20.18B10.10B3.41B2A\$16.B3.19B12.6B7.B2.33B.B2A\$15.2AB.15B2.4B13.3B11.33B2.B\$15.2A18B2.4B14.B13.2B.28B\$16.B.3B2A12B3.4B13.2A11.4B.28B\$19.2B2A11B5.4B13.A11.B2AB2.27B\$20.2B2.10B6.4B11.A13.2A3.27B\$19.2B3.6B.B9.4B10.2A18.23B\$18.B2AB2.4B14.4B30.20B\$19.2A3.2B2AB14.3B31.15B\$26.2A16.4B32.13B\$46.2A31.15B\$46.A32.16B\$47.3A29.17B\$49.A29.16B\$81.13B\$80.4B.2B2E5B\$79.4B2.2B2E3B\$78.4B2.8B\$69.2E6.E4B3.2B3D3B\$68.B2EB4.EBEB5.3BD4B\$62.4B3.2B4.BE2BE6.2B3D2B\$61.9B2.5B2E7.7B\$57.20B9.6B\$57.20B9.6B\$57.19B3.B6.5B\$56.25B2.B.6B\$54.38B\$B52.39B\$2B50.39B\$3B48.40B.2B\$4B46.4B3.30B2E4B2E\$.4B44.4B7.18B3.6B2E2B.B2E\$2.4B42.4B9.2B.10B.B7.B2.5B2.B\$3.4B40.4B13.9B13.6B\$4.4B38.4B15.11B12.4B\$5.4B36.4B16.12B10.B2E2B\$6.4B34.4B17.12B11.2E.B2E\$7.4B32.4B19.11B14.BE.E\$8.4B30.4B18.4B.8B17.E\$9.4B28.4B19.2E4.7B17.2E\$10.4B26.4B21.E4.7B\$11.4B24.4B19.3E6.6B\$12.4B22.4B20.E8.7B\$13.4B20.4B30.8B\$14.4B18.4B32.8B\$15.4B16.4B33.9B\$16.4B14.4B33.6B.4B\$17.4B12.4B34.7B.4B\$18.4B10.4B36.6B2.4B\$19.4B8.4B37.6B3.4B\$20.4B6.4B38.6B4.4B\$21.4B4.4B38.8B4.4B\$22.4B2.4B38.8B6.4B\$18.E4.8B22.E16.9B6.4B\$16.3E5.6B21.3E16.9B7.4B\$15.E9.4B21.E18.10B8.4B\$15.2E7.6B20.2E17.3B2E5B9.4B\$5.2E6.4B6.8B17.4B11.2E3.4B2E5B10.4B\$6.E6.2B7.4B2.4B15.3B14.E3.11B11.4B\$6.E.EB2.5B4.4B4.4B14.4B13.E.E12B12.4B\$7.2EB2.B2E2B.B.4B6.4B12.5B8.2E4.2E2.8B15.4B\$8.4BE2BE7B.2B.3B.4B11.6B8.E9.7B4.2E10.4B\$9.4B2E27B2.8B8.E.EB7.6B4.E12.4B\$9.16B2E26B8.2EB.3B3.6B.BE.E13.4B\$11.14B2E25B11.14B.B2E15.4B\$11.32B.7B12.16B18.4B\$10.42B12.14B20.4B\$9.9B6.2B3.2B2.19B11.16B20.4B\$8.9B19.17B8.18B21.3B\$7.4B.5B21.15B.2B2.20B23.2B\$6.4B3.3B23.38B25.B\$5.4B2.7B21.8B.20B.7B\$4.4B3.2E.B.2E19.8B3.2B2E16B2.6B\$3.4B5.E3.E20.2E3.B5.2B2E16B3.6B\$2.4B3.3E5.3E18.E10.18B6.4B\$.4B4.E9.E15.3E12.B.3B.4B12.B2E2B\$3CB31.E19.4B14.2E.B2E\$2.C51.4B18.BE.E\$.C51.4B22.E\$52.4B23.2E\$51.4B\$50.4B\$49.4B!`

Spartan + one eater2: repeat time ??? (EDIT: turns out to be the same as Kazyan's, which is 157.)
`x = 130, y = 135, rule = LifeHistory39.3D\$38.D2BD\$38.3BDB\$37.D3BDB\$38.3BD2B\$37.BDBD2B\$38.6B\$37.6B\$38.6B\$37.6B\$38.6B\$37.6B\$38.6B\$37.6B\$38.6B\$7.2A28.6B\$6.B2AB28.6B\$7.2B21.B6.6B\$2.B3.2B21.3B6.6B\$.2AB.4B18.6B4.7B\$.2A8B10.4B2.7B3.8B\$2.B.B2A6B2.2B2.27B\$5.2A15BD24B\$5.17BDBD20BC2B\$.21B3DB2A16BCBC2B\$.23BDB2A16BCBC2B\$2A43BC4B\$2A14B.B5.26B\$.B.11B11.B2.20B\$3.10B15.19B13.2B\$4.12B12.17B13.5B\$3.14B11.18B10.7B\$4.13B12.5B.11B9.9B12.2A\$4.13B12.4B2.12B8.15B6.A\$6.2B.4B3DB18.5B.2BA3B2.2A5.16B.BA.A\$10.4BD2B17.4B3.BABA2B3.A5.16B.B2A\$10.2B3D2B16.4B5.2A2B4.A.AB2.18B\$11.6B15.4B8.B6.2AB.19B\$11.7B13.4B18.21B\$11.8B11.4B19.21B\$12.8B9.4B4.B.7B7.23B\$12.9B7.4B.13B4.B2.B.22B9.A\$11.6B.29BD30B6.3A\$11.7B.5BD21BD32B4.A\$12.6B2.4B3D18B2D33B3.2A\$12.7B.4BDBD15B2A2B2D37B5.B\$11.15BD15B2A3BD35B5.5B\$11.19B2.2B3.11B.36B2.6B\$10.18B10.10B3.41B2A\$6.B3.19B12.6B7.B2.33B.B2A\$5.2AB.15B2.4B13.3B11.33B2.B\$5.2A18B2.4B14.B13.2B.28B\$6.B.3B2A12B3.4B13.2A11.4B.28B\$9.2B2A11B5.4B13.A11.B2AB2.27B\$10.2B2.10B6.4B11.A13.2A3.27B\$9.2B3.6B.B9.4B10.2A18.23B\$8.B2AB2.4B14.4B30.20B\$9.2A3.2B2AB14.3B31.15B\$16.2A16.4B32.13B\$36.2A31.15B\$36.A32.16B\$37.3A29.17B\$39.A29.16B\$71.13B\$71.3B.2B2A5B\$69.4B2.2B2A3B\$69.2A3.8B\$70.A4.2B3D3B\$67.3A5.3BD4B\$67.A8.2B3D2B\$76.7B\$68.A7.6B\$67.A.A6.6B\$67.A.A6.5B\$65.3A.2A4.6B\$64.A4.B6.6B\$65.3AB2AB3.7B\$67.A.2AB.8B\$71.10B\$71.6B2A3B\$71.6B2A2B5.2A\$71.10B5.A\$70.11B2.BA.A\$70.12B.B2A\$69.15B\$68.16B\$65.2B.16B\$64.2A18B\$64.2AB.17B\$65.B.4B.8B2.4B\$72.7B4.4B\$73.6B5.4B\$75.4B6.4B\$77.3BA5.2B2C\$78.BA.A5.BCBC\$79.A.A6.C3B\$80.A8.4B\$81.3A6.4B\$83.A7.4B\$92.4B\$93.4B\$94.4B\$95.4B\$96.4B\$97.4B\$98.4B\$99.4B\$100.4B\$101.4B\$102.4B\$103.4B\$104.4B\$105.4B\$106.4B\$107.4B\$108.4B\$109.4B\$110.4B\$111.4B\$112.4B\$113.4B\$114.4B\$115.4B\$116.4B\$117.4B\$118.4B\$119.4B\$120.4B\$121.4B\$122.4B\$123.4B\$124.4B\$125.3BC\$126.B2CB\$127.CBC!`

If we use 2G pairs, we could try something like this:
`x = 81, y = 84, rule = LifeHistory35.C\$33.C.CB\$34.2C2B\$35.4B\$36.4B\$37.4B\$38.4B\$39.4B\$40.4B\$41.4B\$42.4B\$43.4B\$44.4B\$45.4B\$46.4B11.B.2B\$47.4B9.5B\$48.4B8.7B\$49.4B6.9B.B\$50.4B6.7B.B2A\$51.4B5.9B2A\$52.4B3.8B.2B4.A\$39.3D11.4B.9B5.3A\$38.D2BD11.15B3.A\$38.3BDB7.2B.17B.2A\$37.D3BDB6.2A22B\$38.3BD2B5.2AB.18B\$37.BDBD2B7.B.20B\$38.6B9.18B.B\$37.6B11.20B\$38.6B10.20B\$37.6B12.18B\$38.6B12.5B2A10B\$37.6B13.5B2A10B\$38.6B13.15B2.B2A\$37.6B15.15B.B2A.2B\$38.6B15.20B2A\$7.2A28.6B16.20B2A\$6.B2AB28.6B16.17B.2B\$7.2B21.B6.6B18.15B\$2.B3.2B21.3B6.6B18.14B\$.2AB.4B18.6B4.7B18.13B\$.2A8B10.4B2.7B3.8B18.10B\$2.B.B2A6B2.2B2.27B17.10B\$5.2A15BD24B17.8B\$5.17BDBD20BC2B16.8B\$.21B3DB2A16BCBC2B12.10B\$.23BDB2A16BCBC2B11.2BD8B\$2A43BC4B9.3B3D6B\$2A14B.B5.26B11.3BD6B\$.B.11B11.B2.20B12.10B\$3.10B15.19B8.2A.7B.3B\$4.12B12.17B10.A.A10B\$3.14B11.18B10.AB.9B\$4.13B12.5B.11B13.8B\$4.13B12.4B2.12B12.8B\$6.2B.4B3DB18.5B.2BA3B11.7B\$10.4BD2B17.4B3.BABA2B12.6B\$10.2B3D2B16.4B5.2A2B9.10B\$11.6B15.4B8.B9.6B2D2BD\$11.7B13.4B19.7B3DB.2B\$11.8B11.4B19.9BD4B2A\$12.8B9.4B4.B.7B7.12B.B2A\$12.9B7.4B.13B4.B2.13B.B\$11.6B.29BD18B\$11.7B.5BD21BD18B\$12.6B2.4B3D18B2D18B\$12.7B.4BDBD15B2A2B2D17B\$11.15BD15B2A3BD18B\$11.19B2.2B3.11B2.2B3.7B2A2B.2B\$10.18B10.10B8.B.3BA2BA3B2A\$6.B3.19B12.6B13.2B2A2B.B2A\$5.2AB.15B2.4B13.3B14.6B2.B\$5.2A18B2.4B14.B15.4B\$6.B.3B2A12B3.4B13.2A14.4B\$9.2B2A11B5.4B13.A15.2B\$10.2B2.10B6.4B11.A\$9.2B3.6B.B9.4B10.2A\$8.B2AB2.4B14.4B\$9.2A3.2B2AB14.3B\$16.2A16.4B\$36.2A\$36.A\$37.3A\$39.A!`

In order to shoot down the problematic hive in Kazyan's converter, you should either
1) Shoot a backwards glider and turn 180 degrees.
2) Shoot a forwards glider and turn 90 degrees.
Conduits shooting forward gliders are not that common, and I think the only ones useable are the following:
`x = 172, y = 72, rule = LifeHistory50.B\$48.4B\$47.6B\$46.2B2C4B3.3B\$45.2BC2BC3B.6B\$44.4B2C9BA2B\$28.B.B.B.B.B.B.B.16BABA\$26.33B2A\$24.5D31B\$24.D4BD28B\$24.D34B\$25.D3BD29B\$27.D.B.B.B.B.B.B.B.16B\$45.14B\$45.13B\$42.14B\$41.16B\$40.18B\$39.19B\$38.20B\$37.4B.16B\$36.4B3.13B\$35.4B4.5B2A2B\$34.4B7.3B2A2B\$33.4B8.8B\$32.4B8.3B3D2B\$31.4B9.4BD3B\$30.4B10.2B3D2B\$29.4B11.7B\$28.4B13.6B\$27.4B14.6B\$26.4B16.5B102.4B\$25.4B17.6B15.B86.4B\$24.4B17.6B15.2B87.4B\$23.4B18.7B6.A6.3B88.4B\$22.4B14.2A4.6B4.3A5.4B89.4BD\$21.4B16.A4.6B3.A7.4B91.2B3D\$20.4B17.A.AB.6B3.2A5.4B93.2D2BD\$19.4B19.2AB.11B4.4B93.6B\$18.4B22.11B5.4B94.7B\$17.4B24.11B3.4B94.8B\$16.4B24.18B2.B2A91.8B\$15.4B23.23B2AB90.8B\$8.A5.4B11.A12.26B87.AB.9B\$A6.A.A3.4B12.3A7.B.27B86.A.A11B\$3A4.BA2B.4B16.A5.2A27B87.2A.11B\$3.A4.2B.4B16.2A5.2A26B92.11B\$2.2A2.3B.4B17.4B4.B.21B.2B83.2A8.4BD6B\$2.12B5.7B.B5.3B6.20B87.A8.3B3D5B\$4.10B5.13B.4B.4B.20B86.A.AB5.3BD7B\$4.2BC10BD45B87.2AB.3B.10B\$4.2B2C10BD21BD22B89.17B\$4.B2C11B2D18B3D20B.B2A87.17B\$4.13B2D2B2A15BDBD19B2.BA.A87.16B\$5.12BD3B2A15BD21B5.A86.19B\$6.22B3.2B2.26B4.2A83.21B\$6.3B.B3.B2.10B11.22B88.22B2A\$18.6B16.19B89.2BD17B.B2A\$19.3B18.18B89.3BDBD4B.9B3.B\$19.B20.17B91.2B3D4B2.6B\$18.2A20.17B90.5BD4B2.6B.2B\$18.A22.4B2.9B90.10B4.7B2A\$19.A28.7B90.4B10.6B.B2A\$18.2A28.7B90.3B12.6B.B\$48.6B89.4B13.6B\$48.6B89.2A15.5B\$49.5B90.A15.4B\$47.2AB.2B88.3A14.5B\$46.A.AB91.A16.2A\$46.A112.A\$45.2A109.3A\$156.A!`
I coudn't hook the first one an input and I didn't try to finish the second one.
Last edited by Scorbie on October 19th, 2015, 8:17 am, edited 3 times in total.
Best wishes to you, Scorbie

Scorbie

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### Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

I was thinking something like this:

`x = 35, y = 58, rule = B3/S2318bo\$16b3o\$15bo\$15b2o\$2o\$bo\$bob2o\$2bo2bo23bo\$3b2o9bo14bo\$15b2ob2o9b3ob2o\$14b2o2b2o11bob2o7\$21b2obo2bo3b2o\$21b2ob4o2bobo\$30bo\$21b2ob2o3b2o\$22bobo\$22bo2bo\$23b2o2\$10b2o\$9bo2bo\$10b2o9bo\$20bobo\$21b2o15\$10b2o\$10b2o10\$10bo\$9b3o\$9bob2o!`

gmc_nxtman

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### Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

@gmc_nxtman Yep, I hope there are something good along these lines! Would be better if the whole thing was spartan. I'm pretty sure there are a LOT of hive consuming syringes.
Best wishes to you, Scorbie

Scorbie

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### Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

Spartan G-to-MWSS:

`x = 112, y = 110, rule = LifeHistory14.2A\$7.2A3.2B2AB\$6.B2AB2.4B\$7.2B3.6B.B24.A\$8.2B2.10B20.3A\$7.2B2A11B19.A\$4.B.3B2A12B18.2A\$3.2A18B14.6B6.A\$3.2AB.15B14.5B6.3A\$4.B3.15B12.7B4.A\$8.17B10.8B3.2A\$9.19B2.2B2.14B\$9.37B\$10.7B.28B3.2A\$10.6B2.27B4.A\$9.7B2.27B.BA.A\$9.6B4.28B2A\$10.6B10.4B.17B\$10.5B12.19B45.A\$9.6B13.16B10.A34.3A\$9.6B14.15B8.3A15.A17.A9.2A3.2A\$8.7B15.14B7.A18.3A15.2A7.B2AB.B2AB\$8.7B.B6.A7.13B3.B3.2A20.A12.4B4.B3.3B2.2B\$8.8B5.3A8.12B.8B19.2A11.3B4.4B.3B.3B\$8.8B4.A12.18B21.B11.13B.7B5.2A\$9.8B3.2A12.17B19.3B9.23B5.A\$9.3B2A2B2.4B13.17B16.6B4.8B.19B.BA.A\$7.5B2A2B.3B16.18B11.10B2.29B.B2A\$7.13B17.20B2.2B3.44B\$6.16B16.31B2A37B\$5.18B14.9B.22B2A37B\$6.20B12.7B2.60B\$7.20B11.5B4.58B\$8.18B3.2A9.5B3.59B\$9.16B4.A13.2A10.4B.13B4.25B3.2A\$5.20B.BA.A13.A12.4B4.B.7B4.B4.20B3.A\$2.23B.B2A15.3A10.4B15.2A7.15B6.3A\$27B19.A11.4B14.A12.11B8.A\$26B33.4B11.A.A11.13B\$28B32.4B10.2A11.15B\$.28B32.4B21.16B\$.29B32.4B19.17B\$3.28B32.4B19.16B\$3.28B33.3B20.13B\$6.25B34.4B18.5B2A2B.3B\$6.23B.B2A34.2A20.3B2A2B2.4B\$7.22B.BA.A33.A21.8B3.2A\$7.2B.11B.6B5.A34.3A17.8B4.A\$12.9B2.4B6.2A35.A17.8B5.3A\$13.7B2.B2A2B61.7B8.A\$11.7B5.2A63.7B\$6.2A2.8B71.6B\$5.A.A12B69.6B\$5.A3.11B70.5B\$4.2A3.4B2A5B70.6B\$10.3B2A5B69.6B\$10.10B69.7B\$11.9B70.6B\$11.9B70.6B\$11.8B71.6B\$12.8B69.8B\$13.6B69.8B\$13.6B4.2A63.9B\$13.6B4.A64.9B\$12.7B.BA.A63.10B\$12.6B2.B2A64.3B2A5B\$13.8B60.2A3.4B2A5B\$13.8B61.A3.11B\$12.8B62.A.A12B\$12.7B58.2A4.2A2.8B\$12.6B27.B11.2A19.A9.7B4.2A\$11.7B25.2A2B10.A.A18.A.AB7.6B4.A\$11.7B24.BABA2B11.A19.2AB.3B3.6B.BA.A\$7.2B.8B19.4B.2BA3B11.2A20.14B.B2A\$5.13B12.4B2.12B2.2A8.B20.16B\$5.13B12.5B.11B3.A.A7.3B19.14B\$4.14B11.18B4.AB6.6B13.19B\$5.12B12.17B.5B3.B2.10B10.19B\$4.10B12.B2.40B3.2B2.20B\$2.B.11B8.B2.B2.29BD3B2A15BD15B\$.2A14B.B5.34B2D2B2A15BDBD4B.7B\$.2A43BA12B2D18B3D4B2.6B\$2.23BDB2A16BABA11BD21BD4B3.6B\$2.21B3DB2A16BABA10BD26B6.4B\$6.17BD22BA8B5.13B.4B12.B2A2B\$6.2A15BD31B5.7B.B4.4B14.2A.B2A\$3.B.B2A6B2.2B2.34B18.4B18.BA.A\$2.2A8B10.4B2.7B3.17B17.3B22.A\$2.2AB.4B18.6B4.7B.4B2.4B14.2AB24.2A\$3.B3.2B21.3B6.6B8.4B12.A.AB\$8.2B21.B6.6B10.4B11.A\$7.B2AB28.6B10.4B9.2A\$8.2A28.6B12.4B\$39.6B12.4B\$38.6B14.4B\$39.6B14.4B\$38.6B16.4B\$39.6B16.4B\$38.6B18.4B\$39.6B18.4B\$38.6B20.B3A\$39.6B20.A3B\$38.6B22.A3B\$39.6B22.4B\$38.6B24.4B\$39.6B24.4B\$38.6B26.4B\$39.6B26.4B\$38.6B28.4B\$39.6B28.4B!`
What do you do with ill crystallographers? Take them to the mono-clinic!

calcyman

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### Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

@Calcyman I guess that's about the best we could get with Hersrch?
How about using Simkin's B-to-B to turn the B upwards closer and faster?After all, the hive is symmetrical (Or something along these lines)
And as I said above, a hive-consuming syringe with the output heading upwards would be nice.
Best wishes to you, Scorbie

Scorbie

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### Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

Very unlikely, but any chance of a MWSS heisenburp?
`x = 12, y = 12, rule = LifeHistory9.A\$7.A3.A\$6.A\$6.A4.A\$6.5A4\$.2A\$A2.A\$.A.A\$2.A!`
And there is a slight slight possibility that MWSS reflectors are as cheap as glider reflectors...
Best wishes to you, Scorbie

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