## The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

For discussion of specific patterns or specific families of patterns, both newly-discovered and well-known.

### Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

Somewhat accessible Domino Spark->G:

x = 21, y = 17, rule = B3/S232o15b2o$bo15bo$bobo6b2o3bobo$2b2o11b2o$9bo$8bobo$8bobo$9bo4$17b2o$17bobo$6b2o11bo$7bo11b2o$4b3o$4bo! The lower right eater suppresses a pre-B that destroys the upper right; getting a signal out of it is proving tricky/impossible. EDIT: Domino to beehive-and-blinker. I think aiming a glider at the blinker to make a PI might be able to generate that spark again with the right catalysts? x = 11, y = 10, rule = B3/S234b2o$4b2o3b2o$9b2o2$6bo$5bobo$2o3bobo$2o4bo2$4b2o!
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### Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

Non-Spartan loaf factory:

x = 19, y = 22, rule = B3/S2311b2o$10bobo$5b2o2bo$5bo2bob2o$7b2obobo$11bo$17b2o$17bo$8b2o5bobo$7bo2bo4b2o$8b2o5$o2bob2o$4obo10b2o$5bobo8bobo$2b2o2b2o8bo$2bo$3bo$2b2o! EDIT: If the right spark or protrusion can be wedged in--probably via a drifter signal--this would work as a boat factory: x = 16, y = 19, rule = B3/S23o$3o$3bo11bo$2b2o5bo3b3o$6b3o3bo$12b2o2$6b2o$5bobo$5b2o7b2o$14b2o5$11b2o$11bo$12b3o$14bo!
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### Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

A new H-to-G, SW4T44;

x = 15, y = 30, rule = LifeHistory8.C$6.3C$5.C$5.2C$13.2C$13.C$11.C.C$5.E5.2C$5.E.E$5.3E$7.E12$4.2C$4.C.C$5.2C2$2.2C$3.C$3C$C! EDIT: Noticed now, a few days after I posted this, that the initial H-to-HF was posted here a while back. It showed up independently in a search I made, but I assumed that part was probably already known. One thing I find interesting is that this H-to-G extends less to the east than any previously known H-to-G, including those that are just H-to-FNG. Last edited by simeks on July 25th, 2015, 3:49 pm, edited 1 time in total. simeks Posts: 369 Joined: March 11th, 2015, 12:03 pm Location: Sweden ### Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits Any chance of Catforcing these to make a LWSS->G or possibly a LWSS-> H ? x = 100, y = 38, rule = B3/S2391bo$90bobo$90bobo$61bo29bo$6bo2bo26bo2bo20bobo3bo2bo26bo2bo$5bo25bo3bo24bobo2bo29bo$bo3bo3bo20bobo2bo3bo21bo3bo3bo25bo3bo$obo2b4o21bobo2b4o26b4o26b4o$obo28bo$bo21$31b2o$30bo2bo$31b2o$6bo2bo26bo2bo$5bo29bo$b2o2bo3bo25bo3bo$o2bob4o26b4o$b2o!
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### Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

An unexpected near miss, with the tightest space I've ever seen a Herschel fit into:
x = 17, y = 23, rule = LifeHistory15.2A$15.A$13.A.A$9.2A2.2A$9.2A4$6.D$4.D.D$4.3D$4.D4$.2A$A2.A$.2A3$12.3C$13.C$11.3C!
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### Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

Is it possible to get this tub to become transparent?
x = 12, y = 10, rule = LifeHistory.C$C.C$.C5$9.3C$10.C$8.3C! Unfortunately, loafs/beehives/boats won't work here as they all produce different reactions... Sphenocorona Posts: 480 Joined: April 9th, 2013, 11:03 pm ### Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits An R-to-B that isn't listed in the Conduit Collection: x = 21, y = 15, rule = LifeHistory5.C.C$2C2.C.2C$C3.C$.3C.3C$3.C.C2.C$7.2C5$7.E10.D$7.2E10.D$6.2E11.2D$18.2D$18.D! Seems like it should have shown up in someone else's Bellman search by now, but maybe it wasn't considered important? Still, I found a nice use for it: this compact H-to-G21: x = 32, y = 36, rule = LifeHistory24.2A$24.A$22.A.A$13.2A7.2A$13.A.A$14.2A$10.2A$9.A.A$9.A$8.2A$13.2A4.D$13.2A3.3D$17.2D2.D5$9.A$9.3A$A11.A$3A8.2A$3.A$2.2A16.D5.2C$19.3D4.C.C.2C$19.D8.C.C$27.2C2.C$29.2C$27.2C$28.C$.E26.C.C$.E.E25.2C$.3E$3.E11.2A$15.A$16.3A$18.A!
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### Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

simeks wrote:An R-to-B that isn't listed in the Conduit Collection... I found a nice use for it: this compact H-to-G21:

Huh, yes, you certainly can't do that with the old R suppression, though it puts the output B in the same place:

x = 75, y = 36, rule = LifeHistory27.2A38.2A$27.A39.A$25.A.A37.A.A$16.2A7.2A29.2A7.2A$16.A.A37.A.A$17.2A38.2A$13.2A38.2A$12.A.A37.A.A$12.A39.A$11.2A38.2A$16.2A4.D33.2A4.D$16.2A3.3D32.2A3.3D$20.2D2.D4.2A29.2D2.D$29.A$27.A.A$27.2A$19.8B$12.A6.7B26.A$12.3A4.7B26.3A$3.A11.A2.7B4.B13.A11.A$3.3A8.2A3.6B.B.2BA12.3A8.2A$6.A7.8B2A5BA.A14.A7.6B.B2A$5.2A3.B5.5BA2BA3B.BA14.2A3.B5.5BABDA4.2C$5.8B2.9BA3B17.8B2.7B2DC4.C.C.2C$7.14B3A4B19.14BACA7.C.C$7.20B20.17B6.2C2.C$6.19B21.19B7.2C$4.21B19.21B5.2C$2.24B16.24B5.C$2.2BD14B4.BABA15.2BD14B4.BABA4.C.C$.3BDBD4B.6B6.B2A14.3BDBD4B.6B6.B2A5.2C$2.2B3D4B2.B.5B5.A16.2B3D4B2.B.5B5.A$.5BD4B7.2A21.5BD4B7.2A$10B8.A21.10B8.A$19.3A37.3A$21.A39.A! G21 is wide enough to allow Snarks or semi-Snarks to bounce the output gliders around easily, once they get to where they're going. Here's a reasonably compact 2D Herschel transceiver, for example: x = 172, y = 53, rule = LifeHistory60.2A$60.A$58.A.A$49.2A7.2A$49.A.A63.2A$50.2A63.2A$46.2A39.2A$45.A.A39.A.A$.C43.A43.A4.2A17.2A$2.C41.2A39.4A.2A2.A2.A15.2A$3C46.2A4.D29.A2.A.A.A.A.2A2.2A$49.2A3.3D31.A.A.A.A6.A$53.2D2.D31.2A.A.A6.A.A$93.A8.2A46.A$98.2A50.3A$79.2A17.2A53.A$80.A7.2A62.2A$45.A34.A.A5.2A$45.3A33.2A$36.A11.A$36.3A8.2A78.D10.D$39.A87.2D10.D21.D$26.A11.2A16.D5.2C47.2A13.2D11.2D18.3D$24.3A28.3D4.C.C.2C43.2A25.2D2.2A15.D.D$23.A31.D8.C.C37.2A32.D3.2A15.D$23.2A38.2C2.C23.2A10.A2.A63.A$8.2A55.2C24.A12.2A63.A.A$9.A53.2C27.3A36.A37.A.A$9.A.2A51.C29.A35.A.A37.A$10.A2.A23.C26.C.C63.2A$11.2A24.C.C25.2C4.A20.A46.2A$26.2A9.3C29.3A18.3A46.A$26.2A11.C11.2A15.A20.A47.A.A$51.A16.2A19.2A46.2A$52.3A49.2A$54.A49.2A$35.A3.2A$34.A.A3.A$33.A.A3.A$29.2A.A.A3.A$29.2A.A2.4A.A17.2A19.2A$33.A.A3.A.A15.A.A5.2A11.A.A5.2A$29.2A.2A2.A2.A.A15.A7.2A11.A7.2A$30.A.A2.2A3.A15.2A19.2A$18.2A10.A.A$18.2A11.A38.A20.A$66.2A.A.A15.2A.A.A$65.A.A.A.A14.A.A.A.A$62.A2.A.A.A.A.2A8.A2.A.A.A.A.2A$62.4A.2A2.A2.A8.4A.2A2.A2.A$66.A4.2A14.A4.2A$64.A.A18.A.A$64.2A19.2A! This is pretty much just a curiosity nowadays -- might as well just use a syringe if you're stuck with non-Spartan catalysts anyway. But it might be useful to pair this G21 converter with other circuits that need two gliders for activation. dvgrn Moderator Posts: 5831 Joined: May 17th, 2009, 11:00 pm Location: Madison, WI ### Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits Another spartan H-to-G from this H->HF, SE-17T106: x = 24, y = 27, rule = LifeHistory17.C$15.3C$14.C$14.2C$9.7B6.2C$8.8B6.C$7.10B2.BC.C$7.7BE3B.B2C$8.6BEBE3B$7.7B3E3B$4.12BE3B$3.17B$3.16B$4.15B$8.10B$7.13B$8.12B$7.13B$7.13B2.C$6.14B.C.C$4.16B2.C$4.13B2CB$4.9B3.C2BC$2.2CB.8B3.2C$.C.CB.9B$.C8.B.4B$2C11.4B! simeks Posts: 369 Joined: March 11th, 2015, 12:03 pm Location: Sweden ### Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits Is this known? An H-R with a block to clean up... I don't think the R is in a good position, though... x = 30, y = 29, rule = LifeHistory29.B$28.2B$27.3B$26.4B$A24.4B$3A7.2B8.8B$3.A5.4B7.7B$2.2A.B.9B.11B$2.26B$4.26B$3.27B$4.26B$2.6B2D14BD5B$2.2A.3B2D14B2D4B$3.A5.14BD2BD3B$3A7.14B2D4B$A9.20B$9.11B3.7B$9.12B4.4B$9.12B$9.12B$10.7B3CB$14.4BC2B$14.2B3C2B$15.6B$15.7B$17.B.4B$20.4B$21.4B! Best wishes to you, Scorbie Scorbie Posts: 1381 Joined: December 7th, 2013, 1:05 am ### Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits A smaller yet spartan version of H-to-G #2, now also known as SE7T14: x = 26, y = 27, rule = LifeHistory20.AB$19.A.AB.B$3.2A13.B.2A2B2A$4.A11.6B.B2A$4.A.AB7.6B3.B$5.2AB.3B3.7B$7.16B$7.16B$8.15B$7.16B$5.18B$3.19B$3.2BC16B$2.3BCBC4B.9B$3.2B3C4B2.7B$2.5BC4B2.7B$.10B4.6B$4B10.7B$3B12.6B$2B13.7B$B15.5B$16.6B$14.9B$14.2A.7B$15.A5.4B$12.3A7.4B$12.A10.3B! simeks Posts: 369 Joined: March 11th, 2015, 12:03 pm Location: Sweden ### Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits A new H-to-B. It can be followed by conduit 1, but nothing else that I can find, but as such it makes this new L162 H-to-H: x = 30, y = 45, rule = LifeHistory10.3D$11.D$9.3D6$17.2A$17.A.A$19.A$19.2A6$20.C$9.2A8.C.C$9.2A9.2C2.2C$24.2C$2A.A7.D$A.2A6.3D$9.2D2.D5$28.C$5.E20.3C$5.E.E17.C$5.3E16.C.C$7.E17.C2$27.C$24.C.C.C$24.2C2.C$22.2C4.2C$19.2C2.C$18.C.3C$18.C$19.3C.C.2C$21.C.2C.C$21.C$20.2C!

Surprisingly, if the B is allowed to lay down its block, it becomes a period quadrupling H-to-H (by almost the same mechanism as the quadrupling H-to-G I posted here a few days ago).

Because there is no room for the normal block-eater when used as a quadrupler, it needs to be followed by a dependent conduit, or with an H stopper, which creates this period quadrupling H-to-G9:

x = 143, y = 63, rule = LifeHistory21.A.A$21.A2.A18.2A$6.A6.A10.2A17.A$5.A.A5.A8.A3.2A4.2A10.A$4.A.2A6.A9.2A6.2A9.2A$3.2A.2A9.2A2.A2.A$4.A.2A5.3A2.A2.A.A19.2A$5.A.A7.4A23.A.A$6.A9.2A25.A4$2.3A19.A11.2A$.2A.2A19.2A10.2A$.2A.2A18.2A10.A91.2A$.5A121.A2.A$2A3.2A121.2A3$29.A$29.2A$.2A25.A.A3$123.3D$3.2A119.D$3.2A5.A113.3D$8.4A6.2A2.2A20.A$7.A.A.2A5.4A.A2.A.A13.A.A88.C$6.A2.A.3A5.2A.A3.A3.A12.2A87.C.C$6.2A.A.2A4.A12.A5.2A95.2C2.2C$4.3A.4A14.A4.A4.2A58.2A39.2C$3.A.A4.A19.A65.A.A25.D$3.A22.A3.A55.A11.A24.3D$2.2A22.A.A57.3A9.2A22.2D2.D$89.A$76.2A10.2A$77.A$77.A.A$67.A10.2A61.C$65.3A29.D3.2A15.D20.3C$64.A32.2D2.2A15.D.D17.C$64.2A32.2D18.3D16.C.C$49.2A47.D21.D17.C$50.A46.D$50.A.2A86.C$51.A2.A23.D58.C.C.C$52.2A24.D.D56.2C2.C$67.2A9.3D54.2C4.2C$67.2A11.D10.2A39.2C2.C$91.2A38.C.3C$87.2A42.C$88.A43.3C.C.2C$76.A3.2A3.3A46.C.2C.C$75.A.A3.A3.A48.C$74.A.A3.A52.2C$70.2A.A.A3.A$70.2A.A2.4A.A$74.A.A3.A.A$70.2A.2A2.A2.A.A$71.A.A2.2A3.A$59.2A10.A.A$59.2A11.A! simeks Posts: 369 Joined: March 11th, 2015, 12:03 pm Location: Sweden ### Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits Non-spartan H-to-C, compact enough to bother posting. x = 18, y = 22, rule = LifeHistory7.A$7.3A$10.A$5.4A.A$4.A3.A.2A$4.2A$6.A$4.3A8.3D$2A.A13.D$2A.A.2A7.D.2D$3.A.A8.2D$3.A.A$4.A6$6.2A7.3C$5.A.A8.C$5.A8.3C$4.2A! EDIT: Do we have this one? I don't see it in the conduit collection. It's a tiny B-to-G, though hard to make fit. It works with Simkin's B-to-B and nothing else in the collection. x = 12, y = 13, rule = LifeHistory4.2A$4.A$5.3A$7.A$2.A$.A.A6.2D$.A.A5.D.D$2A.2A4.C.D$5.A2.3C$2A.2A3.C.2C$.A.A$.A2.A$2.2A! Tanner Jacobi Kazyan Posts: 860 Joined: February 6th, 2014, 11:02 pm ### Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits @Kazyan I posted that one quite some time ago: (The left catalyst is essentially equivalent to the gourmet catalyst) Scorbie wrote:Here'a a B-to-G with questionable usability: x = 11, y = 15, rule = B3/S233b2o$3bo$4b3o$6bo2$o$3o$3bo4bo$2bobo2b3o$2b2o3bob2o2$2b2o$2bo$obo$2o! EDIT: I think I have seen from elsewhere that the catalyst in the HtoC could be replaced by an eater2, but I can't tell. EDIT2: Sorry, I was mistaken with a different H-to-C. Best wishes to you, Scorbie Scorbie Posts: 1381 Joined: December 7th, 2013, 1:05 am ### Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits A new H-to-G, SE29T12, with a transparent loaf - all cells are off in generation 60. Thanks to Kazyan for posting the lower catalyser pair here! x = 27, y = 29, rule = LifeHistory4.2C7.2C4.2C$4.C7.C2.C3.2C$5.3C4.C.C$7.C5.C$2C$.C$.C.C$2.2C7$2.E$2.E.E$2.3E18.2C$4.E18.C.C$25.C$25.2C3$9.C.2C5.2C$7.3C.2C5.C.C$6.C9.C.C.3C$7.3C.2C3.2C5.C$9.C.C10.2C$9.C.C$10.C! simeks Posts: 369 Joined: March 11th, 2015, 12:03 pm Location: Sweden ### Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits Kazyan wrote:EDIT: Do we have this one? I don't see it in the conduit collection. It's a tiny B-to-G, though hard to make fit. It works with Simkin's B-to-B and nothing else in the collection. Connecting to that B-to-B is good enough to make it useful, since the B-to-B connects to so many things including itself. I was hoping for a non-power-of-two difference in timing between a glider and a B-to-B chain, but I guess a delay of four ticks per extra B-to-B pair is better than nothing: x = 93, y = 54, rule = LifeHistory78.2A$78.A$79.3A$81.A$35.2D39.A$34.D.D38.A.A6.2D$36.D38.A.A5.D.D$74.2A.2A6.D$79.A$74.2A.2A$75.A.A3.5B$75.A2.A2.5B$76.2A2.7B$81.6B$81.5B$60.2B16.8B$59.4B13.10B$59.4B12.12B$55.B2.6B11.13B$54.2AB.2B2A2B11.12B$54.2A3BA2BA3B.B7.13B$55.2B.2B2A7B3.16B$6.2A50.18BD13B$6.A52.17B2D9BA4B$7.3A49.18B2D7BABA4B$9.A49.18BD8BABA4B$4.A53.18BD10BA4B$3.A.A50.B.13B2.B4.B.2B3.5B$3.A.A49.2AB.12B6.3B7.B$2.2A.2A48.2A4BD9B6.B2AB5.3B$7.A48.2B.B3D7B8.2A6.B2AB$2.2A.2A52.D2B2D6B17.2A$3.A.A3.5B45.10B$3.A2.A2.5B45.6B$4.2A2.7B43.7B$9.6B44.6B$9.5B45.5B$6.8B42.8B$4.10B40.10B$3.12B38.12B$3.13B37.13B$3.12B38.12B$3.13B37.13B$16B34.16B$4BC13B30.6BC13B$4B2C9BA4B27.7B2C9BA4B$5B2C7BABA4B26.8B2C7BABA4B$5BC8BABA4B27.7BC8BABA4B$4BC10BA4B30.B.2BC10BA4B$.B4.B.2B3.5B38.B.2B3.5B$5.3B7.B39.3B7.B$5.B2AB5.3B38.B2AB5.3B$6.2A6.B2AB38.2A6.B2AB$15.2A48.2A!

EDIT: For example, here's an H-to-G9 with the spacing between the tandem gliders adjustable in 4-step increments. Who knows, maybe something like this will come in handy somewhere:

x = 217, y = 90, rule = B3/S23162b2o4b2o$161bo2bo3b2o$162b2o5$140b2o$140bo$138bobo5bo20b2o$138b2o5bobobo17b2o$143b3ob2obo$142bo7bo$143b3ob3o$145bobo8$93b2o4b2o83b2o4b2o$92bo2bo3b2o82bo2bo3b2o$93b2o89b2o2$158bo$157bobo$157bobo$71b2o85bo$71bo$69bobo5bo20b2o89b2o$69b2o5bobobo17b2o66b2o21b2o$74b3ob2obo75b2o7b2o$73bo7bo75b2o$74b3ob3o$76bobo8$24b2o4b2o83b2o4b2o83b2o4b2o$23bo2bo3b2o82bo2bo3b2o82bo2bo3b2o$24b2o89b2o89b2o2$89bo90bo$88bobo88bobo$88bobo88bobo$2b2o85bo90bo$2bo$obo5bo20b2o89b2o89b2o$2o5bobobo17b2o66b2o21b2o66b2o21b2o$5b3ob2obo75b2o7b2o80b2o7b2o$4bo7bo75b2o89b2o$5b3ob3o$7bobo4$18bo90bo90bo$17bobo88bobo88bobo$17b2o89b2o89b2o2$11b2o89b2o89b2o$12bo90bo90bo$12bobo88bobo88bobo$13b2o89b2o89b2o6$33b2o89b2o89b2o$13bo19b2o69bo19b2o69bo19b2o$13bobo88bobo88bobo$13b3o88b3o88b3o$15bo90bo90bo$30b2o89b2o89b2o$30b2o89b2o89b2o3$6b2o89b2o89b2o$7bo20b2o68bo20b2o68bo20b2o$4b3o15b2o4bobo64b3o15b2o4bobo64b3o15b2o4bobo$4bo18bo6bo64bo18bo6bo64bo18bo6bo$20b3o7b2o79b3o7b2o79b3o7b2o$20bo90bo90bo!

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### Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

I found a transparent reaction between a BG and a block - the block and the first eater to interact are the only two still lives required, but I added the others trying to get a conduit out of it. Can anyone else make something of this?
x = 17, y = 14, rule = B3/S232$b2o$b2o$12b2o$12bobo$14bo$14b2o$b2o$bobo$3b2o! Sphenocorona Posts: 480 Joined: April 9th, 2013, 11:03 pm ### Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits Sphenocorona wrote:I found a transparent reaction between a BG and a block - the block and the first eater to interact are the only two still lives required, but I added the others trying to get a conduit out of it. Can anyone else make something of this? rle This is the best I could come up with: x = 62, y = 76, rule = LifeHistory3$42.2C$41.B2C2B$42.4B$41.6B2.B$37.10B.B2C$36.13B2C$36.14B$36.14B$32.2C2.8B3.B$31.B2CB.7B$32.2B2.7B$31.2B3.6B$30.BC2B.7B$15.2C13.C.C9B$14.B2C2B12.C.8B$15.4B9.3C4.6B$16.4B8.C7.6B$14.5B16.7B$12.7B6.2C8.6B$12.7B5.B2CB7.6B$11.2C7B5.3B7.6B$11.2C9B4.B.B.B3.7B$12.B.18B3.7B$15.19B.6B$15.18BD7B$15.8B2D7BDBD7B$11.B3.8B2D7BDBD8B$11.2B3.17BD10B$11.3B2.31B6.2C$11.4B2.11B2D7B2D9B5.C$12.4B.10BD2BD5BD2BD8B2.BC.C$13.4B.10B2D7B2D9B2.B2C$14.4B2.32B$15.4B.13BD17B$16.16BDBD16B$17.15BDBD14B$15.18BD15B$14.2C32B$14.2CB.32B$15.B2.33B$19.32B$19.31B$12.39B$11.16B2D22B$11.16B2D21B$11.40B$11.41B$8.B.11B2.2B.27B$7.2C9B8.9B2D17B$7.2C7B10.9B2D18B$8.7B11.29B$8.7B12.27B$10.5B12.29B$12.4B11.25B.B2C$11.4B12.25B2.C$10.B2C2B12.24B4.3C$11.2C13.25B6.C$23.B.26B$22.2CB.25B$22.2C25B$23.B.14B2C9B$26.7B.5B2C10B$28.4B4.14B2C$26.5B2.3B.10B2.BC.C$26.2C4.15B5.C$27.C4.15B5.2C$24.3C4.8B2C6B$24.C6.8BCBC4B$31.10B2C3B$31.14B$32.5B.4B$32.2B! It turns a BG into a glider, three blocks, a HF, and three(!) Herschels. There might be something that can be done to clean it up, but it would still have an immense repeat time. P.S. Sorry about the nonstandard H-FNGs; I can never remember the beehive one. x₁=ηx V ⃰_η=c²√(Λη) K=(Λu²)/2 Pₐ=1−1/(∫^∞_t₀(p(t)ˡ⁽ᵗ⁾)dt) $$x_1=\eta x$$ $$V^*_\eta=c^2\sqrt{\Lambda\eta}$$ $$K=\frac{\Lambda u^2}2$$ $$P_a=1-\frac1{\int^\infty_{t_0}p(t)^{l(t)}dt}$$ http://conwaylife.com/wiki/A_for_all Aidan F. Pierce A for awesome Posts: 1879 Joined: September 13th, 2014, 5:36 pm Location: 0x-1 ### Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits Cleaned up somewhat: x = 44, y = 40, rule = LifeHistory23.2A$23.2A6$13.2D$2A11.2D$2A12$25.2D$25.2D2$40.2A$40.A$41.3A$43.A2$8.2A$8.2A$25.2A$25.2A$36.2A$36.A.A$12.2A24.A$13.A24.2A$10.3A12.2A$10.A14.A.A$27.2A!

I can't see a way to get rid of the middle block without reworking the whole thing, though.

Edit: removing the leftmost eating block turns it into a block-keeper. Could be useful if the debris can be taken care of.
x = 84, y = 41, rule = LifeHistory63.2A$20.2A41.2A$20.2A5$43.2D$2C41.2D$2C15$80.2A$37.2A41.A$37.A43.3A$38.3A42.A$40.A$48.2A$5.2A41.2A$5.2A58.2A$22.2A41.2A$22.2A52.2A$33.2A41.A.A$33.A.A16.2A24.A$9.2A24.A17.A24.2A$10.A24.2A13.3A12.2A$7.3A12.2A26.A14.A.A$7.A14.A.A42.2A$24.2A!
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### Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

What I think is a new H-to-pi:
x = 38, y = 29, rule = LifeHistory23.2C$23.C$10.3D7.BC.C$10.DBD3.3B.B2C$10.DBDB2.5B$9.12B10.2C$6.2B.11B12.C$5.2C14B11.C.2C.C$5.2C13B11.2C.C.2C$6.2B.12B.B7.B$8.18B4.B3C$3.2C2.24BC2.C$3.C3.24B2.2C$2C.C.26B$C2.C.2C23B$2.2C.C.2B.20B$5.C.B2.15B.B2.BC$5.2C4.B.10B6.C.C$13.9B8.2C$14.11B$14.12B$14.12B$15.11B$13.4B.4B3CB$13.2C4.4BC2B$14.C4.2B3C2B$11.3C6.6B$11.C8.7B$22.B.4B!

I don't think it connects to anything, though. I do think the boat+BTS catalysis is something to look in to further.
x₁=ηx
V ⃰_η=c²√(Λη)
K=(Λu²)/2
Pₐ=1−1/(∫^∞_t₀(p(t)ˡ⁽ᵗ⁾)dt)

$$x_1=\eta x$$
$$V^*_\eta=c^2\sqrt{\Lambda\eta}$$
$$K=\frac{\Lambda u^2}2$$
$$P_a=1-\frac1{\int^\infty_{t_0}p(t)^{l(t)}dt}$$

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### Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

A for awesome wrote:What I think is a new H-to-pi:
I don't think it connects to anything, though. I do think the boat+BTS catalysis is something to look in to further.

Interesting first catalysts!
A quick 2 catalyser search with the new Bellman version I'm working on finds this new H-to-G too (SE30T14):

Edit: As noticed by Extrementhusiast in the next post, the lower catalyser pair can be replaced by a block. Updated pattern.

x = 33, y = 35, rule = LifeHistory13.2C$14.C$12.C$12.5C$16.C$10.4C$10.C2.C$20.2C$20.C$21.C$20.2C9.2C$2C29.C$.C27.C.C$.C.C25.2C$2.2C7$2.E$2.E.E$2.3E$4.E9$13.2C$13.2C!
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### Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

A for awesome wrote:I do think the boat+BTS catalysis is something to look in to further.

I don't, as it's equivalent to a block:
x = 81, y = 23, rule = LifeHistory74.2A$75.A$75.A.2A.A$74.2A.A.2A2$74.3A$74.A2.A$76.2A$22.2A$22.2A2$73.A$72.A.A$73.2A5$11.3C51.3C$2.2D8.C43.2D8.C$3.D6.3C44.D6.3C$3D51.3D$D53.D!

However, this discovery is not completely in vain, as that particular eating mechanism of the BTS could be used elsewhere.
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### Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

chris_c's H-to-Pi from here creates a new H-to-G (NW26T109) if the Pi is stopped short.

It is a lot smaller than previous H-to-G:s with that mod-8 timing. It would for example create a much smaller "d4" syringe rephasing here.

x = 28, y = 26, rule = LifeHistory6.C13.C$6.3C10.C.C$9.C10.C$2C6.2C$.C24.2C$.C.C23.C$2.2C17.2C.3C$21.2C.C6$2.E$2.E.E18.2C$2.3E18.2C$4.E6$16.2C$16.C$17.3C$19.C! simeks Posts: 369 Joined: March 11th, 2015, 12:03 pm Location: Sweden ### Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits Period-doubling pi-to-pi, which could possibly be made into an actual conduit: x = 27, y = 17, rule = LifeHistory7.2D15.3D$7.2D17.D$24.3D2$9.3C$9.C.C$2.2A5.C.C$.A.A$.A$2A4$16.2A$16.A$17.3A\$19.A!

However, getting the pi there might get a bit tight.
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### Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

Extrementhusiast wrote:Period-doubling pi-to-pi, which could possibly be made into an actual conduit... However, getting the pi there might get a bit tight.

It would take an outright miracle to squeeze a pi-generating spark between those two eaters -- I don't think I've seen anything within half a dozen cells of working along those lines. The current elementary-conduits collection still has a broken BR241Pi that looks much more hopeful than it is, and even as shown it wouldn't be good enough.

So presumably the input pi would have to be engineered -- three gliders, or junk/spark plus glider, are both technically possible I think, but expensive. Or a conduit would have to be found that throws an active reaction a long distance and then produces an edgy backward pi.

Has anyone ever seen anything like that? Known pi conduits always seem to be pointed away from the action, but maybe only because that's what people have been looking for.

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