Small Spaceship Syntheses

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Re: Small Spaceship Syntheses

Kazyan wrote:Another possible approach for the weekender. I haven't been able to fit parts together for a half-synthesis (still lifes to spaceship), though.

I managed to make one of the pre-TLs:

`x = 50, y = 42, rule = B3/S2313bo12b3o\$14b2o12bo5b2o\$13b2o11b3o5b2o7\$4bobo30bobo\$5b2o30b2o\$5bo16b2o14bo\$22b2o2\$20b4o\$19bo4bo20b4o\$19b2o2b2o20bo3bo\$45bo\$19b6o21bo2bo\$2o7bo9bo4bo9bo\$b2o6b2o9b4o9b2o\$o7bobo11bo10bobo4bo2bo\$24bo14bo\$23b2o14bo3bo\$39b4o3\$30bo\$11b2o16bobo\$10bobo16bobo\$12bo17bo7\$20b3o\$19bo2bo\$22bo\$22bo\$19bobo!`

EDIT: So a possible plan could be to add the following sparks at generation 16:

`x = 44, y = 27, rule = LifeHistory13.D3.D2.2D4.D3.D\$14.D.D10.D.D\$8.A6.D6.2A4.D6.A\$9.A12.2A10.A\$7.3A24.3A\$20.4A\$2.2A15.A4.A15.2A\$2A.2A14.2A2.2A14.2A.2A\$4A7.3A16.3A7.4A\$.2A10.A5.6A5.A10.2A\$12.A6.A4.A6.A\$20.4A\$22.A12.2A\$24.A9.4A\$23.2A8.2A.2A\$34.2A\$14.A\$14.2A\$13.A.A14.A\$29.A.A\$29.A.A\$30.A\$21.A\$20.3A\$19.2A.A\$19.3A\$20.2A!`

EDIT2: Sorry, there's nothing wrong with the more common TL predecessor either:

`x = 44, y = 28, rule = LifeHistory15.D12.D\$15.D4.2D6.D\$14.3D10.3D\$8.A13.2A11.A\$9.A12.2A10.A\$7.3A24.3A\$20.4A\$2.2A15.A4.A15.2A\$2A.2A14.2A2.2A14.2A.2A\$4A7.3A16.3A7.4A\$.2A10.A5.6A5.A10.2A\$12.A6.A4.A6.A\$20.4A\$22.A12.2A\$24.A9.4A\$23.2A8.2A.2A\$34.2A\$14.A\$14.2A\$13.A.A14.A\$29.A.A\$29.A.A\$30.A\$21.A\$20.3A\$19.2A.A\$19.3A\$20.2A!`
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Re: Small Spaceship Syntheses

This works:
`x = 38, y = 33, rule = B3/S233bobo8bo17bobo\$4b2o9bo16b2o\$4bo8b3o17bo2\$11bo14bo\$10bobo12bobo\$9bo2bo12bo2bo\$6bobo3b2o10b2o3bobo\$6b2o11b2o9b2o\$19b2o2\$5bo11b4o11bo\$6bo2b2o5bo4bo5b2o2bo\$4b3obobo5b2o2b2o5bobob3o\$10bo16bo\$16b6o\$16bo4bo\$3o14b4o14b3o\$2bo16bo5bo9bo\$bo19bo2bobo9bo\$20b2o2b2o2\$11b2o\$12b2o\$11bo\$28bo\$27b3o\$18bo7b2obo\$17b3o6b3o\$17bob2o6b2o\$7b3o8b3o\$9bo8b2o\$8bo!`
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Re: Small Spaceship Syntheses

Amazing.
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Re: Small Spaceship Syntheses

The pre-TL on the right can still be added with the pi+block method though if I'm not mistaken. That method is way less costly than the long^3 hook with tail method, as it can be done with 5 gliders even if an intermediate two blocks stage is needed.
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Re: Small Spaceship Syntheses

Extrementhusiast wrote:This works

Great! The pi + block still works on the right hand side. I'm sure it won't take long before you show us how to build the rest of it

`x = 48, y = 49, rule = B3/S234bo\$5bo7bo\$3b3o8b2o\$13b2o13bo\$26b2o8b2o\$27b2o7b2o\$30b3o\$30bo\$31bo2\$16bo\$15bobo\$4bo9bo2bo25bo\$5b2o4bobo3b2o22b2o\$4b2o5b2o11b2o16b2o\$24b2o2\$22b4o\$21bo4bo\$21b2o2b2o2\$21b6o\$21bo4bo\$9bo12b4o12bo\$9b2o13bo5bo6b2o\$8bobo15bo2bobo5bobo\$25b2o2b2o2\$2o44b2o\$b2o42b2o\$o46bo3\$11b2o\$10bobo\$12bo6\$7b2o\$8b2o22b3o\$7bo24bo2bo\$22b3o7bo\$21bo2bo7bo\$24bo8bobo\$24bo\$21bobo!`
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Re: Small Spaceship Syntheses

Awesome! This is the biggest and nastiest spaceship yet.

I wasn't checking the forum while trying to complete the synthesis and ended up with this mess:

`x = 136, y = 104, rule = B3/S23124bo\$123bo\$123b3o\$24bo86bo\$25bo84bo\$23b3o6bobo66bobo6b3o\$18bo14b2o66b2o14bo\$19bo13bo68bo13bo\$17b3o22bo73b3o\$40bobo\$30bo10b2o62bo\$31b2o70b2o\$30b2o72b2o4\$33bo68bo\$34bo66bo\$32b3o66b3o15\$b5o52bobo14bobo52b5o\$o4bo52b2obo12bob2o52bo4bo\$5bo55bo12bo55bo\$o3bo56b2o10b2o56bo3bo\$2bo65b2o63bo\$68b2o2\$66b4o\$6b2o57bo4bo57b2o\$4b2ob2o56b2o2b2o56b2ob2o\$4b4o120b4o\$5b2o58b6o58b2o\$65bo4bo\$66b4o\$68bo54b2o\$70bo51b4o\$69b2o50b2ob2o\$122b2o3\$76bo\$75bobo\$75bobo\$76bo8\$36b3o58b3o\$38bo58bo\$37bo60bo6\$39bo\$22b3o14b2o\$24bo13bobo\$23bo9\$101b3o\$101bo\$102bo13\$67bo\$66b3o\$65b2obo\$65b3o\$66b2o!`

Um, yeah, still learning. At least the bonkers still life I used this time isn't quite as bonkers.
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Re: Small Spaceship Syntheses

Great! Congrats! We have more and more speeds now!

We didn't left with a lot of missing speeds (here is my list of the spaceships that seems to be attainable for missing speeds):

diagonal c/5
Spider - orthogonal c/5
diagonal c/6
orthogonal c/6

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Re: Small Spaceship Syntheses

Kazyan wrote:I wasn't checking the forum while trying to complete the synthesis and ended up with this mess:

Also great! Inspired by these two very similar methods I came up with this via gencols. Probably it can be improved further somehow.

`x = 59, y = 48, rule = B3/S2324bo\$25b2o\$14bo9b2o13bo\$15bo21b2o8b2o\$13b3o22b2o7b2o\$41b3o\$41bo\$42bo2\$25bobo\$o2bo21b2obo\$4bo10bo12bo25bo\$o3bo11b2o10b2o22b2o\$b4o10b2o18b2o16b2o\$35b2o2\$33b4o\$32bo4bo\$32b2o2b2o2\$32b6o\$32bo4bo\$20bo12b4o12bo\$20b2o13bo5bo6b2o\$19bobo15bo2bobo5bobo\$36b2o2b2o2\$11b2o44b2o\$12b2o42b2o\$11bo46bo3\$22b2o\$21bobo\$23bo6\$18b2o\$19b2o22b3o\$18bo24bo2bo\$33b3o7bo\$32bo2bo7bo\$35bo8bobo\$35bo\$32bobo!`
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Re: Small Spaceship Syntheses

Here's a still life+oscillator (beacon) which might be able to be converted into 58p5h1v1:

`x = 18, y = 18, rule = b3/s2315b2o\$10b2o3bo\$11bo5bo\$11bob5o\$12bo\$14b2o\$15bo\$9b2o4bobo\$9b2o5b2o\$7b2o\$bo5b2o\$b3o\$4bo\$3bo\$3bobo\$2obob3o\$o2bo4bo\$2b2o3b2o!`

The beacon can be converted with two dot sparks, and the eaters are also removable without destroying the still life.

An alternate version which may be simpler to convert but harder to construct:

`x = 19, y = 19, rule = b3/s2310b2o\$10bo5b2o\$12bo3bo\$11b2o5bo\$9bo2bob5o\$9b2o2bo\$15b2o\$16bo\$10b2o4bobo\$4b2o4b2o5b2o\$2o3bo2b2o\$o2bo4b2o\$2b3o\$5bo\$4bo\$4bobo\$b2obob3o\$bo2bo4bo\$3b2o3b2o!`
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Re: Small Spaceship Syntheses

chris_c wrote:Also great! Inspired by these two very similar methods I came up with this via gencols. Probably it can be improved further somehow.

The leftmost LWSS can be replaced with a glider.

`x = 50, y = 48, rule = B3/S2315bo\$16b2o\$5bo9b2o13bo\$6bo21b2o8b2o\$4b3o22b2o7b2o\$32b3o\$32bo\$33bo2\$16bobo\$16b2obo\$6bo12bo25bo\$7b2o10b2o22b2o\$6b2o18b2o16b2o\$26b2o2\$24b4o\$23bo4bo\$3o20b2o2b2o\$2bo\$bo21b6o\$23bo4bo\$11bo12b4o12bo\$11b2o13bo5bo6b2o\$10bobo15bo2bobo5bobo\$27b2o2b2o2\$2b2o44b2o\$3b2o42b2o\$2bo46bo3\$13b2o\$12bobo\$14bo6\$9b2o\$10b2o22b3o\$9bo24bo2bo\$24b3o7bo\$23bo2bo7bo\$26bo8bobo\$26bo\$23bobo!`
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Re: Small Spaceship Syntheses

Kazyan wrote:The leftmost LWSS can be replaced with a glider.

Cool. I missed that one because the two gliders + hook with tail only give two blocks on their own.
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Re: Small Spaceship Syntheses

And here's the rest:
`x = 480, y = 54, rule = B3/S23154bobo\$155b2o9bo\$155bo11bo\$165b3o275bo\$442bo\$160bo281b3o\$161bo32bobo231bobo\$159b3o32b2o233b2o\$195bo233bo2\$442bo\$439bo2bobo\$437bobo2b2o\$376bo61b2o\$375bo\$23bobo349b3o29bo\$24b2o178bobo31bo92bo41bo27bo5bobo\$24bo179b2o22b2o2bo3b2o22bo68bobo42bo24bobo5b2o\$69bo24bo110bo23b2obobo2b2o21bobo67b2o40b3o25b2o\$70b2o20bobo133bo3b2o26b2o144bo\$69b2o3bo18b2o237bo71bobo42bo\$66bo7bobo62bo118bo4bo4bo24bo3bo21bo12bobo8bo30bobo28b2o41bo\$25bo6bo31bobo7b2o19bo17bo19bobob2o120b2obobob2o23bobo3bobo20b2o10b2o7b2o31b2o60b2o10b3o\$23bobo6bobo30b2o22bobob2o19b2o18b2o2b2o118b2o2bobo2b2o19b2o2b2o3b2o2b2o16b2o21b2o31bo58bo2bo37b2o\$24b2o6b2o56b2o2b2o17b2o19bo119b2o7bo7b2o16b2o9b2o132b3o38b2o\$90bo19b2o143b2o13b2o16bo13bo25bo5bo\$109bobo7bo15b2o37b2o78bo17bo20bo3bo23b2o4bobo3bobo4b2o26b2o7b2o18bo4b2o3bo3b2o4bo16b3o38b4o\$57bobo33b2o16bo6bobo13bo2bo36bo3bo51b2ob2o26b2ob2o26bobobobo16b2o5b2o4bobobobo4b2o5b2o20bobobobobobo19b2o2bobobobobobo2b2o16bo3bo36bo4bo\$5bo31bo20b2o33b2o24b2o13b4o37b4o51b2ob2o26b2ob2o27b2ob2o18b2o3bo7b2ob2o7bo3b2o24b2ob2o21b2o6b2ob2o6b2o15b2ob2o36b2o2b2o\$6bo29bo21bo9bo246bo31bo\$4b3o18bo3b2o5b3o27b5o20b6o20b6o11b6o35b6o49b5o26b5o27b5o31b5o37b5o29b5o23b5o36b6o\$3o21bobobo2bo8b3o13bo8bo5bo19bo5bo19bo5bo10bo5bo34bo5bo48bo4bo25bo4bo26bo4bo30bo4bo36bo4bo28bo4bo22bo4bo14b2o19bo4bo\$2bo22bo3b2o9bo13bobo9b5o21b5o21b5o12b5o36b5o50b4o27b4o28b4o32b4o38b4o30b4o24b4o14b2o21b4o\$bo3b2o34bo13b2o11bo25bo25bo16bo40bo54bo30bo31bo35bo41bo33bo27bo17bo22bo\$4bobo228bo30bo31bo35bo41bo33bo27bo40bo\$6bo50bo176b2o29b2o30b2o34b2o40b2o32b2o26b2o39b2o\$57b2o\$56bobo390b2o\$24b2o6b2o414b2o\$23bobo6bobo415bo\$25bo6bo\$178bobo\$178b2o274b3o\$179bo274bo\$455bo\$24bo153b3o19b2o\$24b2o152bo21bobo\$23bobo153bo20bo4\$196b3o9b2o\$196bo10b2o\$197bo11bo!`
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Re: Small Spaceship Syntheses

So that's...88 gliders, plus however many is the most efficient method for finagling the hook-with-tail there. Which is at most 6, getting there via 2-glider eater -> Cis-boat with tail -> hook with claw. So, 94 glider synthesis.

In other news, I think B29 is a relatively easy target.

`x = 46, y = 17, rule = B3/S233bo\$2b2o\$2bobo\$38b2o\$5b2o32bo\$5b2o31bo\$22bob2o12b2o\$bob2o14b4o18bob2o\$4o15bo3b3o12b4ob2o\$o3b2o15bo16bo4bo\$5bo2bo\$23bo\$4b2o3bo13b2o\$4b2o3bo14bo16b3o\$5bo18bobo16bo\$5bo19bo17bobo\$6b2o19bo16b2o!`
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Re: Small Spaceship Syntheses

Congratulations on the weekender synthesis! It's been just over 15 years since the weekender was discovered, and due to its simplicity, there has always been vague hope that it could be synthesized.
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Re: Small Spaceship Syntheses

Wow! Congrats on the Weekender synthesis! After trivial attempts to plact that TL myself, I thought that it was a pretty hard job.
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Re: Small Spaceship Syntheses

I've updated the wiki with the glider synthesis counts of the recent ships. I don't know how many gliders it takes to get the starting debris of 25P3H1V0.2, though, entirely because of that obscure 15-bitter.
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Re: Small Spaceship Syntheses

Kazyan wrote:I've updated the wiki with the glider synthesis counts of the recent ships. I don't know how many gliders it takes to get the starting debris of 25P3H1V0.2, though, entirely because of that obscure 15-bitter.

OK, here is the incremental and continuous synthesis for 30P5H2V0. It's 66 gliders unless I have missed any reductions.

`x = 516, y = 468, rule = B3/S23466bo\$466bobo14bobo\$3bo458bo3b2o16b2o\$3bobo457b2o19bo\$3b2o457b2o42bobo\$459bo46b2o\$2bo454bobo47bo\$obo455b2o41bo\$b2o478bo18bobo\$31b2ob2o25b2ob2o25b2ob2o25b2ob2o25b2ob2o25b2ob2o25b2ob2o25b2ob2o25b2ob2o25b2ob2o25b2ob2o25b2ob2o25b2ob2o25b2ob2o25b2ob2o19bo3bobo9b2ob2o4b2o4bo\$31bo3bo25bo3bo25bo3bo25bo3bo25bo3bo25bo3bo25bo3bo25bo3bo25bo3bo25bo3bo25bo3bo25bo3bo25bo3bo25bo3bo25bo3bo20b2o2b2o9bo3bo8b2o9bo\$32b3o27b3o23bo3b3o27b3o27b3o27b3o27b3o27b3o27b3o27b3o27b3o27b3o27b3o27b3o27b3o20b2o15b3o10b2o6b2o\$71bo14bobo425b2o\$40bo30bobo13b2o282bo\$32b3o5bobo19b3o6b2o19b3o27b3o27b3o27b3o27b3o27b3o27b3o27b3o6bobo18b3o27b3o6bobo18b3o27b3o27b3o37b3o12bo\$31bo3bo4b2o19bo3bo3bo16b2o3bo3bo25bo3bo25bo3bo25bo3bo25bo3bo25bo3bo25bo3bo25bo3bo5b2o18bo3bo3bo21bo3bo5b2o18bo3bo25bo3bo25bo3bo35bo3bo11bobo\$31b2ob2o24bobobobobobo14bobo2bobobobo24b2obobo24b2obobo24b2obobo24b2obobo24b2obo26b2obo26b2ob2o6bo18b2ob2o3bobo19b2ob2o2b2o21b2ob2o25b2ob2o25b2ob2o35b2ob2o11b2o\$4b2o21bo32bobob2o3b2o16bo2bobob2o26bob2o26bob2o26bob2o26bob2o26bobobo25bobobo25bobo5bo21bobo4b2o21bobo3b2o22bobo27bobo10bobo14bobo37bobo\$4bobo21b2o7bobo21bo29bo29bo29bo27b3o27b3o9b2o9bo6b3o3b2o22b3o3b2o22b3o2bo4b2o4b2o12b3o2bo7b2o15b3o2bo24b3o2bo24b3o2bo10b2o12b3o2bo34b3o2bo\$4bo22b2o8b2o81bo29bo28bo28bo11b2o11bo4bo29bo29bo5b2o3bobo3bobo10bo5bobo5bobo13bo5bobo3bo17bo5bobob2o18bo5bobob2o6bo11bo5bobob2o28bo5bobob2o\$38bo50bo29bo30b2o35bo20b2o6b3o3bo8b3o4b2o27bobo27bobo15bo11bobo5b2o5bo14bobo5b2o2b2o16bobo5b2obobo16bobo5b2obo5bo12bobo5b2obo5bo22bobo5b2obo\$2b2o27b3o22b2o30bobo28b2o20b2o43bo31bo49bo29bo29bo29bo10bobo16bo10bo18bo9bo4b2o4b2o7bo9bo5bobo21bo9bo4b2o\$bobo20b3o4bo5b2o18b2o30bobo48bobo2b2o36b2ob3o28bo60bobo147b2o3bobo3bobo16bobo3b2o32bobo2b2o\$3bo22bo5bo3b2o18bo3b3o27bo33bo17bob2o36bobo50bo42b2o159bo19b2o6b2o9b2o19b2o\$25bo12bo21bo26bo27b2o6b2o12b2o7bo37bo50b2o36b3o3bo119b3o65bobo7bobo\$61bo25b2o25bobo6bobo10bobo95bobo38bo125bo2bo62bo11bo\$55b3o28bobo27bo21bo19bo27b3o85bo4b2o119bo2bo\$57bo62b3o34b2o27bo50b3o38bobo122b3o80b2o\$56bo65bo34bobo27bo49bo42bo200b2o4b2o\$121bo116bo241bobo3bo\$482bo3\$503b2o\$497b2o3b2o7bo\$498b2o4bo5b2o\$497bo12bobo5\$513bo\$512b2o\$512bobo42\$76bobo\$77b2o\$77bo\$439bobo\$439b2o\$440bo2\$74bo\$68bo3bobo364bo\$69b2o2b2o355bo6b2o9bo\$68b2o358b2o8b2o6b2o\$106bo322b2o16b2o\$107bo\$105b3o332bo\$101bo338bobo\$102b2o336b2o\$101b2o13\$428bo\$426b2o\$427b2o5\$418bo\$418bobo\$418b2o14\$395bo\$393b2o\$394b2o\$406bobo\$406b2o\$407bo7\$383bo\$381b2o\$382b2o7\$374bo\$374bobo\$374b2o16\$361bo\$361bobo\$361b2o5\$154bobo\$155b2o\$155bo25\$324bobo\$324b2o\$325bo23\$220bo\$221b2o\$220b2o9\$285bo\$283b2o\$284b2o8\$256bo\$256bobo15bo\$256b2o14b2o\$273b2o\$255bo\$241bo11bobo\$242bo11b2o14bo\$240b3o27bobo\$270b2o7\$257b2o\$257bobo\$257bo2\$255b2o\$254bobo\$256bo7\$265bo\$238bo25b2o\$238b2o24bobo2b3o\$237bobo29bo\$270bo7\$229b3o\$231bo42bo\$230bo42b2o\$273bobo\$219b2o8bo\$220b2o7b2o\$219bo8bobo7\$220b2o\$219bobo\$221bo7\$296b2o\$208b2o86bobo\$209b2o85bo\$208bo5bo\$214b2o\$213bobo3\$194b2o\$195b2o100b3o\$194bo102bo\$190b2o106bo\$191b2o\$190bo119b2o\$310bobo\$310bo9\$191b2o\$192b2o\$191bo\$325bo\$324b2o\$324bobo8\$345b3o\$178bo166bo\$178b2o166bo\$177bobo10\$158b2o\$157bobo\$159bo\$341bo\$340b2o\$340bobo5\$157bo\$157b2o\$156bobo\$162b2o\$163b2o207b2o\$162bo209bobo3b2o\$372bo4b2o\$379bo8\$385b2o\$384b2o\$386bo9\$392b2o\$392bobo\$392bo12\$123bo\$123b2o\$122bobo5\$416b2o\$416bobo3b2o\$416bo4b2o\$423bo10\$430b2o\$429b2o\$431bo8\$71b2o\$70bobo\$72bo2\$79b2o\$74b2o4b2o\$73bobo3bo\$75bo3\$436b2o\$90b2o343b2o7bo\$91b2o344bo5b2o\$90bo352bobo5\$446bo\$445b2o\$445bobo!`

EDIT: A reduction down to 65 gliders as pointed out by Extrementhusiast below:

`x = 516, y = 468, rule = B3/S23466bo\$466bobo14bobo\$3bo458bo3b2o16b2o\$3bobo457b2o19bo\$3b2o457b2o42bobo\$459bo46b2o\$2bo454bobo47bo\$obo455b2o41bo\$b2o478bo18bobo\$31b2ob2o25b2ob2o25b2ob2o25b2ob2o25b2ob2o25b2ob2o25b2ob2o25b2ob2o25b2ob2o25b2ob2o25b2ob2o25b2ob2o25b2ob2o25b2ob2o25b2ob2o19bo3bobo9b2ob2o4b2o4bo\$31bo3bo25bo3bo25bo3bo25bo3bo25bo3bo25bo3bo25bo3bo25bo3bo25bo3bo25bo3bo25bo3bo25bo3bo25bo3bo25bo3bo25bo3bo20b2o2b2o9bo3bo8b2o9bo\$32b3o27b3o23bo3b3o27b3o27b3o27b3o27b3o27b3o27b3o27b3o27b3o27b3o27b3o27b3o27b3o20b2o15b3o10b2o6b2o\$71bo14bobo425b2o\$40bo30bobo13b2o282bo\$32b3o5bobo19b3o6b2o19b3o27b3o27b3o27b3o27b3o27b3o27b3o27b3o6bobo18b3o27b3o6bobo18b3o27b3o27b3o37b3o12bo\$31bo3bo4b2o19bo3bo3bo16b2o3bo3bo25bo3bo25bo3bo25bo3bo25bo3bo25bo3bo25bo3bo25bo3bo5b2o18bo3bo3bo21bo3bo5b2o18bo3bo25bo3bo25bo3bo35bo3bo11bobo\$31b2ob2o24bobobobobobo14bobo2bobobobo24b2obobo24b2obobo24b2obobo24b2obobo24b2obo26b2obo26b2ob2o6bo18b2ob2o3bobo19b2ob2o2b2o21b2ob2o25b2ob2o25b2ob2o35b2ob2o11b2o\$4b2o21bo32bobob2o3b2o16bo2bobob2o26bob2o26bob2o26bob2o26bob2o26bobobo25bobobo25bobo5bo21bobo4b2o21bobo3b2o22bobo27bobo8bobo16bobo37bobo\$4bobo21b2o7bobo21bo29bo29bo29bo27b3o27b3o9b2o9bo6b3o3b2o22b3o3b2o22b3o2bo4b2o4b2o12b3o2bo7b2o15b3o2bo24b3o2bo24b3o2bo8b2o14b3o2bo34b3o2bo\$4bo22b2o8b2o81bo29bo28bo28bo11b2o11bo4bo29bo29bo5b2o3bobo3bobo10bo5bobo5bobo13bo5bobo3bo17bo5bobob2o18bo5bobob2o4bo13bo5bobob2o28bo5bobob2o\$38bo50bo29bo30b2o35bo20b2o6b3o3bo8b3o4b2o27bobo27bobo15bo11bobo5b2o5bo14bobo5b2o2b2o16bobo5b2obobo16bobo5b2obobo16bobo5b2obo5bo22bobo5b2obo\$2b2o27b3o22b2o30bobo28b2o20b2o43bo31bo49bo29bo29bo29bo10bobo16bo10bo18bo9bobo2b2o13bo9bo5bobo21bo9bo4b2o\$bobo20b3o4bo5b2o18b2o30bobo48bobo2b2o36b2ob3o28bo60bobo147b2o2b2o24bobo3b2o32bobo2b2o\$3bo22bo5bo3b2o18bo3b3o27bo33bo17bob2o36bobo50bo42b2o154bo24b2o6b2o9b2o19b2o\$25bo12bo21bo26bo27b2o6b2o12b2o7bo37bo50b2o36b3o3bo123bo63bobo7bobo\$61bo25b2o25bobo6bobo10bobo95bobo38bo126b2o63bo11bo\$55b3o28bobo27bo21bo19bo27b3o85bo4b2o121bobo\$57bo62b3o34b2o27bo50b3o38bobo205b2o\$56bo65bo34bobo27bo49bo42bo118b3o79b2o4b2o\$121bo116bo162bo78bobo3bo\$400bo81bo3\$503b2o\$497b2o3b2o7bo\$498b2o4bo5b2o\$497bo12bobo5\$513bo\$512b2o\$512bobo42\$76bobo\$77b2o\$77bo\$439bobo\$439b2o\$440bo2\$74bo\$68bo3bobo364bo\$69b2o2b2o355bo6b2o9bo\$68b2o358b2o8b2o6b2o\$106bo322b2o16b2o\$107bo\$105b3o332bo\$101bo338bobo\$102b2o336b2o\$101b2o13\$428bo\$426b2o\$427b2o9\$413bo\$411b2o\$412b2o10\$395bo\$393b2o\$394b2o10\$383bo\$381b2o\$382b2o7\$374bo\$374bobo\$374b2o16\$361bo\$361bobo\$361b2o5\$154bobo\$155b2o\$155bo25\$324bobo\$324b2o\$325bo23\$220bo\$221b2o\$220b2o9\$285bo\$283b2o\$284b2o8\$256bo\$256bobo15bo\$256b2o14b2o\$273b2o\$255bo\$241bo11bobo\$242bo11b2o14bo\$240b3o27bobo\$270b2o7\$257b2o\$257bobo\$257bo2\$255b2o\$254bobo\$256bo7\$265bo\$238bo25b2o\$238b2o24bobo2b3o\$237bobo29bo\$270bo7\$229b3o\$231bo42bo\$230bo42b2o\$273bobo\$219b2o8bo\$220b2o7b2o\$219bo8bobo7\$220b2o\$219bobo\$221bo7\$296b2o\$208b2o86bobo\$209b2o85bo\$208bo5bo\$214b2o\$213bobo3\$194b2o\$195b2o100b3o\$194bo102bo\$190b2o106bo\$191b2o\$190bo119b2o\$310bobo\$310bo9\$191b2o\$192b2o\$191bo\$325bo\$324b2o\$324bobo8\$345b3o\$178bo166bo\$178b2o166bo\$177bobo10\$158b2o\$157bobo\$159bo\$341bo\$340b2o\$340bobo5\$157bo\$157b2o\$156bobo\$162b2o\$163b2o207b2o\$162bo209bobo3b2o\$372bo4b2o\$379bo8\$385b2o\$384b2o\$386bo9\$392b2o\$392bobo\$392bo10\$402b2o\$401b2o\$403bo\$126b2o\$125bobo\$127bo284bo\$411b2o\$411bobo15\$430b2o\$429b2o\$431bo8\$71b2o\$70bobo\$72bo2\$79b2o\$74b2o4b2o\$73bobo3bo\$75bo3\$436b2o\$90b2o343b2o7bo\$91b2o344bo5b2o\$90bo352bobo5\$446bo\$445b2o\$445bobo!`
Last edited by chris_c on January 25th, 2015, 9:39 pm, edited 1 time in total.
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Re: Small Spaceship Syntheses

Kazyan wrote:I've updated the wiki with the glider synthesis counts of the recent ships. I don't know how many gliders it takes to get the starting debris of 25P3H1V0.2, though, entirely because of that obscure 15-bitter.

24 gliders, from Buckingham:
`x = 163, y = 82, rule = B3/S238\$44bo\$43bo\$43b3o36bobo\$78bo3b2o\$40bo38b2o2bo\$38bobo37b2o\$39b2o\$76bo\$74bobo34bo\$39bo22b2o11b2o5b2o15bo2b2o8bo6bo2b2o15bo2b2o\$39b2o6b2o11bo2bo16bo2bo14bobo2bo6b3o5bobo2bo14bobo2bo\$38bobo6bobo10b2o18b2o12b2o2bob2o12b2o2bob2o16bob2o\$47bo46b2o3bo14b2o3bo19bo\$60b2o18b2o18b2o18b2o18b2o\$61bo10b3o6bo19bo19bo19bo\$40b2o19bobo10bo6bobo17bobo17bobo17bobo\$41b2o19b2o9bo8b2o18b2o18b2o18b2o\$40bo3b2o\$44bobo\$44bo16\$115bo\$116bo\$114b3o2\$20bo\$19bo10bo87bo3bo5bo\$19b3o8bobo83bobob2o4b2o\$17bo12b2o85b2o2b2o4b2o\$15bobo\$16b2o3\$67bo\$9b2o29b2o18b2o5bobo10b2o28b2o28b2o\$10b2o7bo2b2o15bo2bo16bo2bo4b2o10bo2bo26bo2bo26bo2bo\$9bo8bobo2bo14bobobo15bobobo15bobobo25bobobo25bobo2bo\$18bob2o16bob2o16bob2o5bo10bob2o4b2o20bob2o4b2o20bob2obo\$19bo19bo19bo6b2o11bo5bo2bo20bo5bo2bo20bo2bo\$20b2o18b2o18b2o4bobo11b2o3bo2bo21b2o3bo2bo21b2o\$21bo19bo19bo19bo4b2o23bo4b2o\$21bobo17bobo17bobo17bobo27bobo15bo\$22b2o18b2o18b2o18b2o28b2o14b2o\$128bobo8\$95b3o16b2o\$97bo15b2o\$96bo18bo!`

chris_c wrote:
OK, here is the incremental and continuous synthesis for 30P5H2V0. It's 66 gliders unless I have missed any reductions.

`RLE`

Just this small one:
`x = 74, y = 22, rule = B3/S234b2ob2o25b2ob2o25b2ob2o\$4bo3bo25bo3bo25bo3bo\$5b3o27b3o27b3o3\$5b3o27b3o27b3o\$4bo3bo25bo3bo25bo3bo\$4b2ob2o25b2ob2o25b2ob2o\$5bobo27bobo8bobo16bobo\$2b3o2bo24b3o2bo8b2o14b3o2bo\$bo5bobob2o18bo5bobob2o4bo13bo5bobob2o\$obo5b2obobo16bobo5b2obobo16bobo5b2obo\$bo10bo18bo9bobo2b2o13bo9bo\$41b2o2b2o24bobo\$47bo24b2o\$16bo\$15b2o\$15bobo2\$12b3o\$14bo\$13bo!`
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Re: Small Spaceship Syntheses

Extrementhusiast wrote:24 gliders, from Buckingham

I wonder if this particular still life could benefit from some apgsearch assistance? It is listed in the common names dictionary of apgsearch-2014-12-16-v0.52.py

`"xs15_ci5diczw11": ("000c0012002d00290012000c", 20)`

Extrementhusiast wrote:Just this small one

Thanks I edited my previous post.
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Re: Small Spaceship Syntheses

This one looks a better predecessor for the tail (see generation 4):

`x = 12, y = 6, rule = LifeHistory2C.2C2.2C.2C\$2C.C4.C.2C\$4.4C\$2.3A2.3A\$3.2A2.2A\$2.A.A2.A.A!`

Or this:

`x = 12, y = 6, rule = LifeHistory2C.2C2.2C.2C\$2C.C4.C.2C\$4.4C\$2.3A2.3A\$3.A4.A\$3.2A2.2A!`

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Re: Small Spaceship Syntheses

simsim314 wrote:This one looks a better predecessor for the tail (see generation 4):

`x = 12, y = 6, rule = LifeHistory2C.2C2.2C.2C\$2C.C4.C.2C\$4.4C\$2.3A2.3A\$3.2A2.2A\$2.A.A2.A.A!`

Or this:

`x = 12, y = 6, rule = LifeHistory2C.2C2.2C.2C\$2C.C4.C.2C\$4.4C\$2.3A2.3A\$3.A4.A\$3.2A2.2A!`

Both interfere with the addition of the elbows in the same way. It's why I had to scrap a similar method.

`x = 32, y = 35, rule = B3/S2321b3o\$21b3o\$20bo3bo\$18b2ob2obo\$18b3o3bo\$18b3o3b2o\$18bo2bo2bo\$17bo5bo\$20b3o\$17b4o\$23b4o\$26bo\$22bobo\$21b6o\$20bob2ob2o\$18b3o3b2o\$14bo3b3ob2obo\$5b2obo6bo4b3o2bo\$b7obo3b3o4bo\$bob4o2bo11b3o\$b3o5b2o11bo\$16b2o\$16b2o\$8bo14bo\$4bob2obo4b4o4bob2obo\$2bo2bo4bo2bo4bo2bo4bo2bo\$5bobobo3b2o2b2o3bobobo\$o3bo3bo14bo3bo3bo\$2bo26bo\$bo8b2ob2o2b2ob2o8bo\$10b2obo4bob2o\$14b4o\$12b3o2b3o\$13b2o2b2o\$12bobo2bobo!`
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Re: Small Spaceship Syntheses

chris_c wrote:I wonder if this particular still life could benefit from some apgsearch assistance? It is listed in the common names dictionary of apgsearch-2014-12-16-v0.52.py

`"xs15_ci5diczw11": ("000c0012002d00290012000c", 20)`

Anyone have a soup for this, or is one retrievable from Andrzej Okrasinski's soup-search results? Looks like that's where the name came from.

It doesn't happen to be one of the umpteen billion still lifes that have showed up in my apgsearch results so far.

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Re: Small Spaceship Syntheses

Based on posts in the "Accidental discoveries" topic, here is a 2 glider reduction of the Weekender synthesis (the actual important bit was not found by me, I am just reporting it here) :
`x = 85, y = 21, rule = B3/S2368bobo\$68b2o\$69bo\$42bo\$3bo39bo\$4bo7bobo26b3o\$2b3o7b2o54bobo\$13bo12bo19bo21b2o\$25bobo17bobo15bobo3bo\$25b2o18b2o17b2o\$3bo7bo52bo\$4b2o3b2o\$3b2o5b2o\$13b2o67b2o\$13bobo8bo2bo16bo2bo15bo2bo14bo2bo\$13bo10b4o16b4o15b4o14b4o\$3bo\$b5o16b6o14b6o13b6o12b6o\$o5bo14bo5bo13bo5bo12bo5bo11bo5bo\$b5o16b5o15b5o14b5o13b5o\$3bo20bo19bo18bo17bo!`
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Re: Small Spaceship Syntheses

Kazyan wrote:Both interfere with the addition of the elbows in the same way.

Woops...I guess one can continue to improve that issue as well, but I prefer to invest in something without synth yet.

Here is a SL which is pretty close to the 58P5H1V1 (we need better name for this one):

`x = 60, y = 13, rule = LifeHistory29.2A2.2A\$29.A2.A.A14.2A2.2C\$8.2A20.A.A2.2A12.A2.ADC\$8.2A19.2A2.A.A14.A.C2.CA\$7.A2.A19.A.2A.A13.2A.DA.C\$4.2A.A2.A19.A.A2.2A13.A.2A.C\$10.A16.2A.A3.A12.2D.A.C2.CA\$2.2A3.A2.A16.2A.5A12.2C.A3.C\$2.2A5.A37.AC.5C\$3.A.5A17.2A.2A.2A14.D\$4.A22.2A.2A.2A12.2A.2A.2A\$47.2A.2A.2A!`

EDIT Here is something more substantial (see gen 2):

`x = 9, y = 9, rule = LifeHistory5.2C\$.A3.2C\$.A\$2A3.2C\$2A.A.2C.A\$A\$.2C2.3A\$C.C2.A\$.C3.A!`

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Re: Small Spaceship Syntheses

Throwing another glider into the mix I found this which reduces the original Weekender synthesis by 6 gliders.

`x = 28, y = 25, rule = B3/S23bo\$2bo\$3o12bo\$16bo\$14b3o3\$20bo\$18b2o\$13bo5b2o\$14b2o\$13b2o3\$17bo5bo\$15bobo5bobo\$16b2o5b2o\$13bo\$13b2o\$12bobo\$24bo\$22b5o\$21bo5bo\$22b5o\$24bo!`

I suspect it is still not optimal.
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