## Synthesizing 30P5H2V0

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### Synthesizing 30P5H2V0

What with the crab and the dart having syntheses now, I figure that a synthesis for 30P5H2V0 might be within reach. To that end, I offer this:

`x = 23, y = 21, rule = B3/S232bo6bobo9bo\$obo5bo11bo\$b2o5bo11b3o\$8bo2bo\$8b3o4b2ob2o\$15bo3bo\$16b3o\$17bo\$4bo3bobo6bo\$2bobo4b2o5b3o\$3b2o4bo5bo3bo\$15b2ob2o\$16bobo\$7bo5b3o2bo\$7b2o3bo5bobo\$6bobo2bobo5b2o\$12bo\$15b2o\$10bo3bobo\$10b2o4bo\$9bobo!`

The 32/34-cell base is a behemoth, yes, but it's what I could do and looks synthesizable. At generation 8, the left half of 30P5H2V0 is accessible. All we have to do is attach the small right half. However, a domino from the left's creation inhibits the right (see generation 6), so that the possible predecessors are limited. I don't think it's impossible, but it's fiendish. At generation 6, the source for the right needs to look something like this:

`x = 26, y = 21, rule = LifeHistory.A\$2.A\$3A2.A.A\$8.A\$8.A5.3A\$5.A2.A5.3A\$6.3A6.A\$15.A\$3.A4.A5.3A\$4.A2.A.2A2.A3.A\$2.3A.2A.A3.2A.2A\$6.A2.A4.A.A4.C\$11.3A2.A\$7.A2.A7.A.2C.C\$7.3A.2A.A3.A.C2.C\$7.2A3.A.A5.C.C\$10.A.2A2.A3.C\$10.2A3.A\$9.A10.4C\$18.8C\$20.4C!`

Which could be derived from...I don't know, but this looks like a good angle:

`x = 13, y = 12, rule = LifeHistory11.A\$11.A\$2A3.D5.A\$A10.A\$2.A.2C.D2.A.A\$.2A.C2.D.A.A\$4.C.D.A.A\$4.CA.A.A2.A\$8.A3.A\$4.4D4.A\$2.5DCDC\$4.4D!`
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### Re: Synthesizing 30P5H2V0

This looks like a great start! You could also consider starting with a cap, or a hook or something. Maybe something like this:
`x = 69, y = 25, rule = B3/S232bo6bobo9bo\$obo5bo11bo\$b2o5bo11b3o18bo\$8bo2bo30b2o\$8b3o4b2ob2o21b2o4b2o6bobo\$15bo3bo26b3o\$16b3o27b2obo4bo3bo\$17bo29b3o5b3o\$4bo3bobo6bo30bo\$2bobo4b2o5b3o\$3b2o4bo5bo3bo23bo6bo4b3o\$15b2ob2o24b2o2bobo3bo3bo\$16bobo24b2o3b3o3b2ob2o\$7bo5b3o2bo13bobobo10bo7bobo5bo3bo\$7b2o3bo5bobob2o22bo2bo2b3o2bo8bo\$6bobo2bobo5b2obo28bo5bobob2o2b2obo\$12bo9bo25b3obo3b4obo2bo2bo\$15b2o5bobo24bo2b2ob3o3bo5b2o\$10bo3bobo6b2o26b2o3b2o3bobo\$10b2o4bo32bobo3bo6b2o\$9bobo38bo12b2o\$64bo\$60b2o2bo\$59b2o3b4o\$65bo!`

There are so many possibilities that it seems like it shouldn't be too hard!
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### Re: Synthesizing 30P5H2V0

Sokwe wrote:There are so many possibilities that it seems like it shouldn't be too hard!

Nice. Do you have any more predecessors, though? I can't figure out how to get the bit at the top in place without interfering with the duoplet-generator. The bottom can be done with a moderately tricky spark and a glider, at least:

`x = 8, y = 10, rule = B3/S232ob2o\$2obo\$3bo\$3bobo\$4b2o2\$6b2o\$b2o2bo\$obo\$2bo3b2o!`
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### Re: Synthesizing 30P5H2V0

Annnd done:
`x = 55, y = 55, rule = B3/S2316bobo20bo\$15bo24b2o\$15bo23b2o\$15bo2bo\$15b3o2\$53bo\$2bo32bo9b2o5bo\$obo31bo11bo5b3o\$b2o31b3o8bo\$44bo\$43bo\$42bo\$41bo\$40bo10b2o\$4bo3bobo28bo4bo6bobo\$2bobo4b2o27bo4bo7bo\$3b2o4bo27bo5b3o\$22b2ob2o9bo\$22bo3bo8bo\$23b3o8bo\$24bo8bo\$24bo7bo\$23b3o5bo\$22bo3bo3bo17b3o\$22b2ob2o3b2o16bo\$23bobo11bo11bo\$20b3o2bo7b2obobo\$19bo5bobob2o2b2ob2o\$18bobo5b2obo\$19bo9bo\$29bobo11b3o\$30b2o11bo\$44bo\$7bo\$7b2o30b2o\$6bobo31b2o\$39bo\$15b2o\$10bo3bobo\$10b2o4bo\$9bobo2\$19b2o\$18bobo\$20bo3\$21b2o\$20bobo\$22bo9b3o7b2o\$31bo2bo6b2o\$34bo8bo\$34bo\$31bobo!`

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### Re: Synthesizing 30P5H2V0

You've shown to be quite a synthesis genius.. Congratulations!
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### Re: Synthesizing 30P5H2V0

Congratulations as well!!

Now the right wing looks completely weird!

How long is the way to a complete synthesis from there?
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### Re: Synthesizing 30P5H2V0

Woohoo!

HartmutHolzwart wrote:Congratulations as well!!

Now the right wing looks completely weird!

How long is the way to a complete synthesis from there?

This is why I say "almost", because there's 72/74 ornery cells in the middle to create.
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### Re: Synthesizing 30P5H2V0

That one was fast. Congrats!

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### Re: Synthesizing 30P5H2V0

Annnd done:

Hahahahaha!!! That's the most hilarious thing I've seen so far this year! Well done!
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### Re: Synthesizing 30P5H2V0

calcyman wrote:Hahahahaha!!! That's the most hilarious thing I've seen so far this year!

Now that is hilarious!

Congrats! That was real quick! I see the synths of nonstandard spaceships getting faster and faster.
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### Re: Synthesizing 30P5H2V0

Extrementhusiast wrote:Annnd done...

Very Nice, although you and Mark are probably the only ones convinced that the initial p2 can be constructed. I seem to recall seeing some of the necessary components among the still life syntheses, but I can't easily find them. I would love to see a complete synthesis.

Kazyan wrote:Do you have any more predecessors?

I was somewhat busy at the time (and I still am), so I didn't have time to look through too many predecessors. I only did a very quick search and picked the first result that "looked nice" as an example. I am sure that there are much cheaper ways to construct the smaller engine.

Again, nice work!
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Scorbie wrote:Hahahahaha!!! That's the most hilarious thing I've seen so far this year!

I think we should have Extrementhusiast-less synth threads.

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### Re: Synthesizing 30P5H2V0

Ah, you're just jealous
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### Re: Synthesizing 30P5H2V0

simsim314 wrote:
Scorbie wrote:Hahahahaha!!! That's the most hilarious thing I've seen so far this year!

I think we should have Extrementhusiast-less synth threads.

OK, then figure out how to do this yourselves. (Of course, I have already done so.)
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### Re: Synthesizing 30P5H2V0

Extrementhusiast wrote:OK, then figure out how to do this yourselves.

Hey it was a compliment... you're just doing it so much better than the rest of us.

codeholic wrote:Ah, you're just jealous

Of course I'm.

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### Re: Synthesizing 30P5H2V0

simsim314 wrote:
Extrementhusiast wrote:OK, then figure out how to do this yourselves.

Hey it was a compliment... you're just doing it so much better than the rest of us.

codeholic wrote:Ah, you're just jealous

Of course I'm.

In which case, here's the whole thing:
`x = 898, y = 57, rule = B3/S23658bo\$657bo\$609bobo41bo3b3o\$610b2o42b2o7bo\$610bo42b2o6b2o\$614bo47b2o195bo\$613bo243bobo\$613b3o217b2o23b2o\$553bobo115bo161b3o\$554b2o113b2o161bob2o\$554bo108b2o5b2o44b2o50b2o38b2o22b3o27b2o\$558bo49bo5bo47bobo52bo51bo39bo23bo29bo5bo\$557bo48bobo3b2o47bo54bo51bo39bo10bobo29bo10bo4b2o\$557b3o47b2o4b2o45bo54bo51bo39bo12b2o27b2o10bo6b2o\$3bo655bo54bo51bo39bo13bo29b2o8bo\$3bobo610b2o40bo54bo51bo39bo53bo7bo\$3b2o600b2o3bo4b2o40bo54bo51bo39bo53bo7b2o\$552bo5bo45bobo3bobo4bo38bo54bo51bo39bo53bo8bobo\$2bo547bobo3b2o45bo6b2o43bo54bo51bo39bo53bo\$obo548b2o4b2o43bo51bo54bo51bo39bo26bo26bo\$b2o598bo51bo54bo51bo39bo20bobo5bo24bo5bo\$29b2ob2o23b2ob2o29b2ob2o17b2ob2o26b2ob2o20b2ob2o19b2ob2o33b2ob2o25b2ob2o31b2ob2o30b2ob2o21b2ob2o22b2ob2o26b2ob2o18bo20b2ob2o31b2ob2o35b2ob2o19b2o24b2ob2o9bo37b2ob2o9bo40b2ob2o9bo37b2ob2o9bo25b2ob2o9bo22b2o3b3o9b2ob2o9bo4b2o\$29bo3bo23bo3bo29bo3bo17bo3bo26bo3bo20bo3bo19bo3bo33bo3bo25bo3bo31bo3bo30bo3bo21bo3bo22bo3bo26bo3bo10bo5b2o21bo3bo8b2o21bo3bo8b2o25bo3bo8b2o3bo4b2o25bo3bo8bo38bo3bo8bo41bo3bo8bo38bo3bo8bo26bo3bo8bo23bo16bo3bo8bo6b2o\$30b3o25b3o27bo3b3o19b3o28b3o22b3o21b3o35b3o27b3o33b3o32b3o23b3o24b3o28b3o9bobo6b2o21b3o8bobo22b3o8bobo26b3o8bobo3bobo4bo25b3o8bo40b3o8bo43b3o8bo40b3o8bo28b3o8bo42b3o8bo17b2o\$67bo18bobo341b2o39bo35bo39bo6b2o41bo51bo54bo51bo39bo53bo17b2o\$38bo28bobo17b2o279bo101bo35bo39bo49bo51bo54bo51bo39bo53bo14b2o4bo\$30b3o5bobo17b3o6b2o23b3o19b3o28b3o22b3o21b3o35b3o27b3o33b3o6bobo23b3o23b3o6bobo15b3o5bo22b3o41b3o5bo27b3o5bo31b3o5bo41b3o5bo43b3o5bo46b3o5bo43b3o5bo31b3o5bo45b3o5bo14b2o\$29bo3bo4b2o17bo3bo3bo20b2o3bo3bo17bo3bo26bo3bo20bo3bo19bo3bo33bo3bo25bo3bo31bo3bo5b2o23bo3bo3bo17bo3bo5b2o15bo3bo4bobo19bo3bo3b2o7b3o24bo3bo3bo27bo3bo3bo31bo3bo3bo41bo3bo3bo43bo3bo3bo46bo3bo3bo43bo3bo3bo31bo3bo3bo45bo3bo3bo17bo\$29b2ob2o22bobobobobobo18bobo2bobobobo16b2obobo25b2obobo19b2obobo18b2obobo32b2obo26b2obo32b2ob2o6bo23b2ob2o3bobo15b2ob2o2b2o18b2ob2o4b2o20b2ob2o3b2o7bo26b2ob2o3b2o26b2ob2o3b2o30b2ob2o3b2o40b2ob2o3b2o42b2ob2o3b2o45b2ob2o3b2o42b2ob2o3b2o30b2ob2o3b2o44b2ob2o3b2o\$4b2o19bo30bobob2o3b2o20bo2bobob2o18bob2o27bob2o21bob2o20bob2o34bobobo25bobobo31bobo5bo26bobo4b2o17bobo3b2o19bobo8b2o18bobo14bo26bobo33bobo10bobo24bobo47bobo49bobo52bobo8bo40bobo37bobo11bobo37bobo11bo\$4bobo19b2o7bobo19bo33bo21bo30bo22b3o21b3o9b2o17bo6b3o3b2o22b3o3b2o28b3o2bo4b2o4b2o17b3o2bo7b2o11b3o2bo21b3o2bo8bobo14b3o2bo38b3o2bo30b3o2bo10b2o22b3o2bo44b3o2bo46b3o2bo49b3o2bo8bobo35b3o2bo7b2o25b3o2bo7b2o2b2o35b3o2bo7b2obobo\$4bo20b2o8b2o75bo30bo23bo22bo11b2o19bo4bo29bo35bo5b2o3bobo3bobo15bo5bobo5bobo9bo5bobo3bo14bo5bobob2o3bo15bo5bobob2o32bo5bobob2o24bo5bobob2o6bo21bo5bobob2o38bo5bobob2o40bo5bobob2o43bo5bobob2o3b2o35bo5bobob2o2b2o2b2o20bo5bobob2o2b2o3bo34bo5bobob2o2b2ob2o\$36bo52bo21bo31b2o30bo14b2o6b3o3bo16b3o4b2o27bobo33bobo15bo16bobo5b2o5bo10bobo5b2o2b2o13bobo5b2obobo17bobo5b2obobo4bo25bobo5b2obobo22bobo5b2obo5bo22bobo5b2obo38bobo5b2obo40bobo5b2obo43bobo5b2obo7b3o30bobo5b2obo7b2o19bobo5b2obo42bobo5b2obo12b2o\$2b2o25b3o20b2o34bobo20b2o21b2o38bo25bo57bo35bo34bo25bo10bobo13bo10bo19bo10bo4b3o25bo10bo24bo9bo4b2o4b2o17bo9bo39bo9bo41bo9bo44bo9bo7bo33bo9bo29bo9bo6b2o35bo9bo11b2o\$bobo18b3o4bo5b2o16b2o34bobo41bobo2b2o31b2ob3o22bo68bobo158bob2o70b2o3bobo3bobo26bobo47bobo49bobo52bobo6bo42bobo7bo29bobo4b2o45bobo11bo\$3bo20bo5bo3b2o16bo3b3o31bo25bo18bob2o31bobo52bo42b2o160b3o2b2o77bo29b2o48b2o50b2o53b2o50b2o7b2o29b2o7b2o43b2o\$23bo12bo19bo30bo19b2o6b2o13b2o7bo32bo52b2o36b3o3bo160b3o2bobo30b3o290bobo38bobo20b3o30b2o\$57bo29b2o17bobo6bobo11bobo92bobo38bo164b2o3bo34bo2bo328bo24bo29bobo28b3o\$51b3o32bobo19bo22bo19bo22b3o87bo4b2o198bo2bo353bo32bo28b3o\$53bo58b3o35b2o22bo52b3o38bobo201b3o359bo52bo3bo\$52bo61bo35bobo22bo51bo42bo563b2o51b2ob2o\$113bo114bo599b3o2bobo50bo4bo3bo\$830bo55b5o3b3o\$829bo56b2ob2ob2o2b2o\$838bo54bo2bo\$838b2o56bo\$837bobo56bo\$894b2o2\$840bo9bo\$840b2o7b3o\$839bobo6b2obo5b2o\$848b3o6bobo\$849b2o6bo\$840bo\$840b2o\$839bobo!`

The block-to-very-long-canoe component is relatively new, but I had posted it to the Soup Search Results thread before.
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### Re: Synthesizing 30P5H2V0

Thanks for proving that mess possible, glider guru.

Debris cleanup for completeness (there's probably a 3-glider method, but this was the first thing that worked):

`x = 16, y = 46, rule = B3/S2313b2o\$12bo2bo\$9bo3b2o\$8bobo\$8bobo\$9bo3\$13bobo\$13b2o\$14bo2\$13b2o\$13b2o3\$2o\$b2o\$o8\$10bo\$10bobo\$10b2o\$7b2o\$6bo2bo\$7bobo\$3b2o3bo\$3b2o6\$b3o4\$8b2o\$8bobo\$8bo!`

And thus, a 114-glider synthesis for 30P5H2V0 is complete. First discovery of 2015!

If anyone else wants to jump on the "synthesize small spaceships" train, Pushalong 1 looks possible.
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### Re: Synthesizing 30P5H2V0

Kazyan wrote:Debris cleanup for completeness (there's probably a 3-glider method, but this was the first thing that worked):

`RLE`

You might not have noticed, but I edited in a two-glider cleanup.
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### Re: Synthesizing 30P5H2V0

Extrementhusiast wrote:You might not have noticed, but I edited in a two-glider cleanup.

Yep, missed the edit. Correction: 112-glider synthesis.
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### Re: Synthesizing 30P5H2V0

Congratulations, good work. I did some tidying up on the left hand side. Got rid of the LWSS and one glider and allowed the glider hitting the spark coil to come from the other side. Maybe now there is a way to get rid of the fuse? (Although I couldn't manage it myself)

`x = 49, y = 52, rule = B3/S2337bo\$35bobo\$36b2o3\$40b2o\$41bo5bo\$9bo30bo4b2o\$10b2o27bo6b2o\$9b2o27bo\$37bo7bo\$36bo7b2o\$35bo8bobo\$34bo\$6bo26bo\$7bo24bo5bo\$obo2b3o9b2ob2o9bo4b2o\$b2o14bo3bo8bo6b2o\$bo16b3o8bo17b2o\$28bo17b2o\$27bo14b2o4bo\$18b3o5bo14b2o\$17bo3bo3bo17bo\$17b2ob2o3b2o\$18bobo11bo\$15b3o2bo7b2obobo\$14bo5bobob2o2b2ob2o\$13bobo5b2obo12b2o\$14bo9bo11b2o\$24bobo11bo\$25b2o\$3b3o30b2o\$5bo29bobo\$4bo32bo\$12bo\$12b2o\$6b3o2bobo\$8bo\$7bo\$16bo\$16b2o\$15bobo3\$18bo9bo\$18b2o7b3o\$17bobo6b2obo5b2o\$26b3o6bobo\$27b2o6bo\$18bo\$18b2o\$17bobo!`

EDIT: Wahey!

`x = 39, y = 41, rule = B3/S239bo\$10b2o\$9b2o\$30bo\$28b2o\$25bo3b2o\$24bobo\$6bo8b2ob2o4b2o\$7bo7bo3bo\$obo2b3o8b3o8bobo\$b2o24b2o7bobo\$bo26bo7b2o\$16b3o18bo\$15bo3bo10bo\$15b2ob2o9bo\$16bobo10b3o\$13b3o2bo\$12bo5bobob2o\$11bobo5b2obo\$12bo9bo4b2o\$3b3o16bobo2b2o\$5bo17b2o9bo\$4bo29bobo\$12bo21b2o\$12b2o\$6b3o2bobo\$8bo\$7bo\$16bo\$16b2o\$15bobo\$26bo\$25b3o\$18bo5b2obo\$18b2o4b3o\$17bobo5b2o4b2o\$31bobo\$31bo\$18bo\$18b2o\$17bobo!`

EDIT2: Further improvement at the south side:

`x = 43, y = 45, rule = B3/S2310bo\$11bo\$9b3o\$33bo\$32bo\$32b3o2\$27bo\$5bobo18bobo\$2bo3b2o9b2ob2o4b2o3bo\$obo3bo10bo3bo9bobo6bo\$b2o15b3o10b2o7bobo\$19bo20b2o\$19bo\$18b3o12bobo\$17bo3bo11b2o\$17b2ob2o12bo\$18bobo\$15b3o2bo\$14bo5bobob2o\$13bobo5b2obo\$14bo9bo4b2o\$24bobo2b2o\$4bo20b2o\$4b2o\$3bobo2\$12b2o\$7bo3bobo\$7b2o4bo\$6bobo3\$29b2o\$23b2o4bobo\$22bobo4bo6b3o\$24bo11bo\$37bo5\$38b3o\$38bo\$39bo!`
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