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Synthesizing 30P5H2V0

Postby Kazyan » January 1st, 2015, 5:55 am

What with the crab and the dart having syntheses now, I figure that a synthesis for 30P5H2V0 might be within reach. To that end, I offer this:

x = 23, y = 21, rule = B3/S23
2bo6bobo9bo$obo5bo11bo$b2o5bo11b3o$8bo2bo$8b3o4b2ob2o$15bo3bo$16b3o$
17bo$4bo3bobo6bo$2bobo4b2o5b3o$3b2o4bo5bo3bo$15b2ob2o$16bobo$7bo5b3o2b
o$7b2o3bo5bobo$6bobo2bobo5b2o$12bo$15b2o$10bo3bobo$10b2o4bo$9bobo!


The 32/34-cell base is a behemoth, yes, but it's what I could do and looks synthesizable. At generation 8, the left half of 30P5H2V0 is accessible. All we have to do is attach the small right half. However, a domino from the left's creation inhibits the right (see generation 6), so that the possible predecessors are limited. I don't think it's impossible, but it's fiendish. At generation 6, the source for the right needs to look something like this:

x = 26, y = 21, rule = LifeHistory
.A$2.A$3A2.A.A$8.A$8.A5.3A$5.A2.A5.3A$6.3A6.A$15.A$3.A4.A5.3A$4.A2.A.
2A2.A3.A$2.3A.2A.A3.2A.2A$6.A2.A4.A.A4.C$11.3A2.A$7.A2.A7.A.2C.C$7.3A
.2A.A3.A.C2.C$7.2A3.A.A5.C.C$10.A.2A2.A3.C$10.2A3.A$9.A10.4C$18.8C$
20.4C!


Which could be derived from...I don't know, but this looks like a good angle:

x = 13, y = 12, rule = LifeHistory
11.A$11.A$2A3.D5.A$A10.A$2.A.2C.D2.A.A$.2A.C2.D.A.A$4.C.D.A.A$4.CA.A.
A2.A$8.A3.A$4.4D4.A$2.5DCDC$4.4D!
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Re: Synthesizing 30P5H2V0

Postby Sokwe » January 1st, 2015, 7:19 am

This looks like a great start! You could also consider starting with a cap, or a hook or something. Maybe something like this:
x = 69, y = 25, rule = B3/S23
2bo6bobo9bo$obo5bo11bo$b2o5bo11b3o18bo$8bo2bo30b2o$8b3o4b2ob2o21b2o4b
2o6bobo$15bo3bo26b3o$16b3o27b2obo4bo3bo$17bo29b3o5b3o$4bo3bobo6bo30bo$
2bobo4b2o5b3o$3b2o4bo5bo3bo23bo6bo4b3o$15b2ob2o24b2o2bobo3bo3bo$16bobo
24b2o3b3o3b2ob2o$7bo5b3o2bo13bobobo10bo7bobo5bo3bo$7b2o3bo5bobob2o22bo
2bo2b3o2bo8bo$6bobo2bobo5b2obo28bo5bobob2o2b2obo$12bo9bo25b3obo3b4obo
2bo2bo$15b2o5bobo24bo2b2ob3o3bo5b2o$10bo3bobo6b2o26b2o3b2o3bobo$10b2o
4bo32bobo3bo6b2o$9bobo38bo12b2o$64bo$60b2o2bo$59b2o3b4o$65bo!

There are so many possibilities that it seems like it shouldn't be too hard!
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Re: Synthesizing 30P5H2V0

Postby Kazyan » January 1st, 2015, 4:33 pm

Sokwe wrote:There are so many possibilities that it seems like it shouldn't be too hard!


Nice. Do you have any more predecessors, though? I can't figure out how to get the bit at the top in place without interfering with the duoplet-generator. The bottom can be done with a moderately tricky spark and a glider, at least:

x = 8, y = 10, rule = B3/S23
2ob2o$2obo$3bo$3bobo$4b2o2$6b2o$b2o2bo$obo$2bo3b2o!
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Re: Synthesizing 30P5H2V0

Postby Extrementhusiast » January 1st, 2015, 5:02 pm

Annnd done:
x = 55, y = 55, rule = B3/S23
16bobo20bo$15bo24b2o$15bo23b2o$15bo2bo$15b3o2$53bo$2bo32bo9b2o5bo$obo
31bo11bo5b3o$b2o31b3o8bo$44bo$43bo$42bo$41bo$40bo10b2o$4bo3bobo28bo4bo
6bobo$2bobo4b2o27bo4bo7bo$3b2o4bo27bo5b3o$22b2ob2o9bo$22bo3bo8bo$23b3o
8bo$24bo8bo$24bo7bo$23b3o5bo$22bo3bo3bo17b3o$22b2ob2o3b2o16bo$23bobo
11bo11bo$20b3o2bo7b2obobo$19bo5bobob2o2b2ob2o$18bobo5b2obo$19bo9bo$29b
obo11b3o$30b2o11bo$44bo$7bo$7b2o30b2o$6bobo31b2o$39bo$15b2o$10bo3bobo$
10b2o4bo$9bobo2$19b2o$18bobo$20bo3$21b2o$20bobo$22bo9b3o7b2o$31bo2bo6b
2o$34bo8bo$34bo$31bobo!

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Re: Synthesizing 30P5H2V0

Postby biggiemac » January 1st, 2015, 5:09 pm

You've shown to be quite a synthesis genius.. Congratulations!
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Re: Synthesizing 30P5H2V0

Postby HartmutHolzwart » January 1st, 2015, 5:22 pm

Congratulations as well!!

Now the right wing looks completely weird!

How long is the way to a complete synthesis from there?
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Re: Synthesizing 30P5H2V0

Postby Kazyan » January 1st, 2015, 5:37 pm

Woohoo! :D

HartmutHolzwart wrote:Congratulations as well!!

Now the right wing looks completely weird!

How long is the way to a complete synthesis from there?


This is why I say "almost", because there's 72/74 ornery cells in the middle to create.
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Re: Synthesizing 30P5H2V0

Postby simsim314 » January 1st, 2015, 7:18 pm

That one was fast. Congrats!
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Re: Synthesizing 30P5H2V0

Postby calcyman » January 1st, 2015, 7:22 pm

Annnd done:


Hahahahaha!!! That's the most hilarious thing I've seen so far this year! Well done!
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Re: Synthesizing 30P5H2V0

Postby Scorbie » January 1st, 2015, 7:41 pm

calcyman wrote:Hahahahaha!!! That's the most hilarious thing I've seen so far this year!

Now that is hilarious!

Congrats! That was real quick! I see the synths of nonstandard spaceships getting faster and faster.
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Re: Synthesizing 30P5H2V0

Postby Sokwe » January 1st, 2015, 7:42 pm

Extrementhusiast wrote:Annnd done...

Very Nice, although you and Mark are probably the only ones convinced that the initial p2 can be constructed. I seem to recall seeing some of the necessary components among the still life syntheses, but I can't easily find them. I would love to see a complete synthesis.

Kazyan wrote:Do you have any more predecessors?

I was somewhat busy at the time (and I still am), so I didn't have time to look through too many predecessors. I only did a very quick search and picked the first result that "looked nice" as an example. I am sure that there are much cheaper ways to construct the smaller engine.

Again, nice work!
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Re: Synthesizing 30P5H2V0

Postby simsim314 » January 1st, 2015, 7:45 pm

Scorbie wrote:Hahahahaha!!! That's the most hilarious thing I've seen so far this year!


I think we should have Extrementhusiast-less synth threads.
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Re: Synthesizing 30P5H2V0

Postby codeholic » January 1st, 2015, 8:11 pm

Ah, you're just jealous :)
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Re: Synthesizing 30P5H2V0

Postby Extrementhusiast » January 1st, 2015, 8:15 pm

simsim314 wrote:
Scorbie wrote:Hahahahaha!!! That's the most hilarious thing I've seen so far this year!


I think we should have Extrementhusiast-less synth threads.


OK, then figure out how to do this yourselves. (Of course, I have already done so.)
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Re: Synthesizing 30P5H2V0

Postby simsim314 » January 1st, 2015, 8:49 pm

Extrementhusiast wrote:OK, then figure out how to do this yourselves.


Hey it was a compliment... you're just doing it so much better than the rest of us.

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Of course I'm.
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Re: Synthesizing 30P5H2V0

Postby Extrementhusiast » January 2nd, 2015, 2:42 pm

simsim314 wrote:
Extrementhusiast wrote:OK, then figure out how to do this yourselves.


Hey it was a compliment... you're just doing it so much better than the rest of us.

codeholic wrote:Ah, you're just jealous


Of course I'm.


In which case, here's the whole thing:
x = 898, y = 57, rule = B3/S23
658bo$657bo$609bobo41bo3b3o$610b2o42b2o7bo$610bo42b2o6b2o$614bo47b2o
195bo$613bo243bobo$613b3o217b2o23b2o$553bobo115bo161b3o$554b2o113b2o
161bob2o$554bo108b2o5b2o44b2o50b2o38b2o22b3o27b2o$558bo49bo5bo47bobo
52bo51bo39bo23bo29bo5bo$557bo48bobo3b2o47bo54bo51bo39bo10bobo29bo10bo
4b2o$557b3o47b2o4b2o45bo54bo51bo39bo12b2o27b2o10bo6b2o$3bo655bo54bo51b
o39bo13bo29b2o8bo$3bobo610b2o40bo54bo51bo39bo53bo7bo$3b2o600b2o3bo4b2o
40bo54bo51bo39bo53bo7b2o$552bo5bo45bobo3bobo4bo38bo54bo51bo39bo53bo8bo
bo$2bo547bobo3b2o45bo6b2o43bo54bo51bo39bo53bo$obo548b2o4b2o43bo51bo54b
o51bo39bo26bo26bo$b2o598bo51bo54bo51bo39bo20bobo5bo24bo5bo$29b2ob2o23b
2ob2o29b2ob2o17b2ob2o26b2ob2o20b2ob2o19b2ob2o33b2ob2o25b2ob2o31b2ob2o
30b2ob2o21b2ob2o22b2ob2o26b2ob2o18bo20b2ob2o31b2ob2o35b2ob2o19b2o24b2o
b2o9bo37b2ob2o9bo40b2ob2o9bo37b2ob2o9bo25b2ob2o9bo22b2o3b3o9b2ob2o9bo
4b2o$29bo3bo23bo3bo29bo3bo17bo3bo26bo3bo20bo3bo19bo3bo33bo3bo25bo3bo
31bo3bo30bo3bo21bo3bo22bo3bo26bo3bo10bo5b2o21bo3bo8b2o21bo3bo8b2o25bo
3bo8b2o3bo4b2o25bo3bo8bo38bo3bo8bo41bo3bo8bo38bo3bo8bo26bo3bo8bo23bo
16bo3bo8bo6b2o$30b3o25b3o27bo3b3o19b3o28b3o22b3o21b3o35b3o27b3o33b3o
32b3o23b3o24b3o28b3o9bobo6b2o21b3o8bobo22b3o8bobo26b3o8bobo3bobo4bo25b
3o8bo40b3o8bo43b3o8bo40b3o8bo28b3o8bo42b3o8bo17b2o$67bo18bobo341b2o39b
o35bo39bo6b2o41bo51bo54bo51bo39bo53bo17b2o$38bo28bobo17b2o279bo101bo
35bo39bo49bo51bo54bo51bo39bo53bo14b2o4bo$30b3o5bobo17b3o6b2o23b3o19b3o
28b3o22b3o21b3o35b3o27b3o33b3o6bobo23b3o23b3o6bobo15b3o5bo22b3o41b3o5b
o27b3o5bo31b3o5bo41b3o5bo43b3o5bo46b3o5bo43b3o5bo31b3o5bo45b3o5bo14b2o
$29bo3bo4b2o17bo3bo3bo20b2o3bo3bo17bo3bo26bo3bo20bo3bo19bo3bo33bo3bo
25bo3bo31bo3bo5b2o23bo3bo3bo17bo3bo5b2o15bo3bo4bobo19bo3bo3b2o7b3o24bo
3bo3bo27bo3bo3bo31bo3bo3bo41bo3bo3bo43bo3bo3bo46bo3bo3bo43bo3bo3bo31bo
3bo3bo45bo3bo3bo17bo$29b2ob2o22bobobobobobo18bobo2bobobobo16b2obobo25b
2obobo19b2obobo18b2obobo32b2obo26b2obo32b2ob2o6bo23b2ob2o3bobo15b2ob2o
2b2o18b2ob2o4b2o20b2ob2o3b2o7bo26b2ob2o3b2o26b2ob2o3b2o30b2ob2o3b2o40b
2ob2o3b2o42b2ob2o3b2o45b2ob2o3b2o42b2ob2o3b2o30b2ob2o3b2o44b2ob2o3b2o$
4b2o19bo30bobob2o3b2o20bo2bobob2o18bob2o27bob2o21bob2o20bob2o34bobobo
25bobobo31bobo5bo26bobo4b2o17bobo3b2o19bobo8b2o18bobo14bo26bobo33bobo
10bobo24bobo47bobo49bobo52bobo8bo40bobo37bobo11bobo37bobo11bo$4bobo19b
2o7bobo19bo33bo21bo30bo22b3o21b3o9b2o17bo6b3o3b2o22b3o3b2o28b3o2bo4b2o
4b2o17b3o2bo7b2o11b3o2bo21b3o2bo8bobo14b3o2bo38b3o2bo30b3o2bo10b2o22b
3o2bo44b3o2bo46b3o2bo49b3o2bo8bobo35b3o2bo7b2o25b3o2bo7b2o2b2o35b3o2bo
7b2obobo$4bo20b2o8b2o75bo30bo23bo22bo11b2o19bo4bo29bo35bo5b2o3bobo3bob
o15bo5bobo5bobo9bo5bobo3bo14bo5bobob2o3bo15bo5bobob2o32bo5bobob2o24bo
5bobob2o6bo21bo5bobob2o38bo5bobob2o40bo5bobob2o43bo5bobob2o3b2o35bo5bo
bob2o2b2o2b2o20bo5bobob2o2b2o3bo34bo5bobob2o2b2ob2o$36bo52bo21bo31b2o
30bo14b2o6b3o3bo16b3o4b2o27bobo33bobo15bo16bobo5b2o5bo10bobo5b2o2b2o
13bobo5b2obobo17bobo5b2obobo4bo25bobo5b2obobo22bobo5b2obo5bo22bobo5b2o
bo38bobo5b2obo40bobo5b2obo43bobo5b2obo7b3o30bobo5b2obo7b2o19bobo5b2obo
42bobo5b2obo12b2o$2b2o25b3o20b2o34bobo20b2o21b2o38bo25bo57bo35bo34bo
25bo10bobo13bo10bo19bo10bo4b3o25bo10bo24bo9bo4b2o4b2o17bo9bo39bo9bo41b
o9bo44bo9bo7bo33bo9bo29bo9bo6b2o35bo9bo11b2o$bobo18b3o4bo5b2o16b2o34bo
bo41bobo2b2o31b2ob3o22bo68bobo158bob2o70b2o3bobo3bobo26bobo47bobo49bob
o52bobo6bo42bobo7bo29bobo4b2o45bobo11bo$3bo20bo5bo3b2o16bo3b3o31bo25bo
18bob2o31bobo52bo42b2o160b3o2b2o77bo29b2o48b2o50b2o53b2o50b2o7b2o29b2o
7b2o43b2o$23bo12bo19bo30bo19b2o6b2o13b2o7bo32bo52b2o36b3o3bo160b3o2bob
o30b3o290bobo38bobo20b3o30b2o$57bo29b2o17bobo6bobo11bobo92bobo38bo164b
2o3bo34bo2bo328bo24bo29bobo28b3o$51b3o32bobo19bo22bo19bo22b3o87bo4b2o
198bo2bo353bo32bo28b3o$53bo58b3o35b2o22bo52b3o38bobo201b3o359bo52bo3bo
$52bo61bo35bobo22bo51bo42bo563b2o51b2ob2o$113bo114bo599b3o2bobo50bo4bo
3bo$830bo55b5o3b3o$829bo56b2ob2ob2o2b2o$838bo54bo2bo$838b2o56bo$837bob
o56bo$894b2o2$840bo9bo$840b2o7b3o$839bobo6b2obo5b2o$848b3o6bobo$849b2o
6bo$840bo$840b2o$839bobo!

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Re: Synthesizing 30P5H2V0

Postby Kazyan » January 2nd, 2015, 3:17 pm

Thanks for proving that mess possible, glider guru.

Debris cleanup for completeness (there's probably a 3-glider method, but this was the first thing that worked):

x = 16, y = 46, rule = B3/S23
13b2o$12bo2bo$9bo3b2o$8bobo$8bobo$9bo3$13bobo$13b2o$14bo2$13b2o$13b2o
3$2o$b2o$o8$10bo$10bobo$10b2o$7b2o$6bo2bo$7bobo$3b2o3bo$3b2o6$b3o4$8b
2o$8bobo$8bo!


And thus, a 114-glider synthesis for 30P5H2V0 is complete. First discovery of 2015!

If anyone else wants to jump on the "synthesize small spaceships" train, Pushalong 1 looks possible.
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Re: Synthesizing 30P5H2V0

Postby Extrementhusiast » January 2nd, 2015, 3:33 pm

Kazyan wrote:Debris cleanup for completeness (there's probably a 3-glider method, but this was the first thing that worked):

RLE


You might not have noticed, but I edited in a two-glider cleanup.
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Re: Synthesizing 30P5H2V0

Postby Kazyan » January 2nd, 2015, 3:50 pm

Extrementhusiast wrote:You might not have noticed, but I edited in a two-glider cleanup.


Yep, missed the edit. Correction: 112-glider synthesis.
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Re: Synthesizing 30P5H2V0

Postby chris_c » January 2nd, 2015, 7:09 pm

Congratulations, good work. I did some tidying up on the left hand side. Got rid of the LWSS and one glider and allowed the glider hitting the spark coil to come from the other side. Maybe now there is a way to get rid of the fuse? (Although I couldn't manage it myself)

x = 49, y = 52, rule = B3/S23
37bo$35bobo$36b2o3$40b2o$41bo5bo$9bo30bo4b2o$10b2o27bo6b2o$9b2o27bo$
37bo7bo$36bo7b2o$35bo8bobo$34bo$6bo26bo$7bo24bo5bo$obo2b3o9b2ob2o9bo4b
2o$b2o14bo3bo8bo6b2o$bo16b3o8bo17b2o$28bo17b2o$27bo14b2o4bo$18b3o5bo
14b2o$17bo3bo3bo17bo$17b2ob2o3b2o$18bobo11bo$15b3o2bo7b2obobo$14bo5bob
ob2o2b2ob2o$13bobo5b2obo12b2o$14bo9bo11b2o$24bobo11bo$25b2o$3b3o30b2o$
5bo29bobo$4bo32bo$12bo$12b2o$6b3o2bobo$8bo$7bo$16bo$16b2o$15bobo3$18bo
9bo$18b2o7b3o$17bobo6b2obo5b2o$26b3o6bobo$27b2o6bo$18bo$18b2o$17bobo!


EDIT: Wahey!

x = 39, y = 41, rule = B3/S23
9bo$10b2o$9b2o$30bo$28b2o$25bo3b2o$24bobo$6bo8b2ob2o4b2o$7bo7bo3bo$obo
2b3o8b3o8bobo$b2o24b2o7bobo$bo26bo7b2o$16b3o18bo$15bo3bo10bo$15b2ob2o
9bo$16bobo10b3o$13b3o2bo$12bo5bobob2o$11bobo5b2obo$12bo9bo4b2o$3b3o16b
obo2b2o$5bo17b2o9bo$4bo29bobo$12bo21b2o$12b2o$6b3o2bobo$8bo$7bo$16bo$
16b2o$15bobo$26bo$25b3o$18bo5b2obo$18b2o4b3o$17bobo5b2o4b2o$31bobo$31b
o$18bo$18b2o$17bobo!


EDIT2: Further improvement at the south side:

x = 43, y = 45, rule = B3/S23
10bo$11bo$9b3o$33bo$32bo$32b3o2$27bo$5bobo18bobo$2bo3b2o9b2ob2o4b2o3bo
$obo3bo10bo3bo9bobo6bo$b2o15b3o10b2o7bobo$19bo20b2o$19bo$18b3o12bobo$
17bo3bo11b2o$17b2ob2o12bo$18bobo$15b3o2bo$14bo5bobob2o$13bobo5b2obo$
14bo9bo4b2o$24bobo2b2o$4bo20b2o$4b2o$3bobo2$12b2o$7bo3bobo$7b2o4bo$6bo
bo3$29b2o$23b2o4bobo$22bobo4bo6b3o$24bo11bo$37bo5$38b3o$38bo$39bo!
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