Can we make pre-pulsar shuttle-based guns?
Re: Can we make pre-pulsar shuttle-based guns?
@Sokwe Thx! Another great tip. It would be nice to integrade the whole proccess:
1. Select pattern in golly and run python script.
2. Choose search parameters.
3. Run bellman.
4. Analyze bellman resultst with lifesrc (or mkstill).
5. Show results inside golly again.
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@codeholic I think you just get all results and see what is the one with minimal population.
1. Select pattern in golly and run python script.
2. Choose search parameters.
3. Run bellman.
4. Analyze bellman resultst with lifesrc (or mkstill).
5. Show results inside golly again.
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@codeholic I think you just get all results and see what is the one with minimal population.
Re: Can we make pre-pulsar shuttle-based guns?
In JLS under "search options" in the "constraints" tab, there is a filter: "no more than X ON cells in generation 0". I then test various X until I find the one that's minimal. When minimizing a large asymmetric billiard table, the searches can take too long, so I can't always verify my minimal solution, but for smaller things, like these Bellman results, I think I can be reasonably confident that the solutions are minimal.codeholic wrote:Would you please explain how you do that exactly? I mean, how you ensure that the solution you found is minimal.
-Matthias Merzenich
Re: Can we make pre-pulsar shuttle-based guns?
@codeholic I've just now noticed your bellman input post. Many thx!
Re: Can we make pre-pulsar shuttle-based guns?
Nobody ever posted the p29 glider loops based on the PPS reflectors - I was surprised to see they existed.
Left- dependent reflector, right - independent.
I don't know if this has any chance of improving a p29 gun, but it is relevant.
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I don't know if this has any chance of improving a p29 gun, but it is relevant.
Physics: sophistication from simplicity.
Re: Can we make pre-pulsar shuttle-based guns?
There is no known p29 glider gun, or did I miss something dramatically?biggiemac wrote:I don't know if this has any chance of improving a p29 gun, but it is relevant.
Ivan Fomichev
Re: Can we make pre-pulsar shuttle-based guns?
Sorry to say this, but I think somebody posted this before...biggiemac wrote:Nobody ever posted the p29 glider loops based on the PPS reflectors - I was surprised to see they existed.
Edit: It's in the osc-supplement.zip in GoL status update thread, but I haven't seen the left one before!
Re: Can we make pre-pulsar shuttle-based guns?
I suppose what I said was unclear, neither were discovered by me. I just felt that they were relevant to the thread, because if someone could find a p29 nG->(n+1)G reaction this would help reroute everything, and I didn't know how many people had even been aware these reflectors existed.
There's no true-period 29 gun yet, there is a pseudo-period 29 gun (I think the best comes from p145).
There's no true-period 29 gun yet, there is a pseudo-period 29 gun (I think the best comes from p145).
Physics: sophistication from simplicity.