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Re: Soup search results

Postby mniemiec » March 4th, 2017, 6:25 pm

An exotic still-life came up in soup: http://catagolue.appspot.com/object/xs33_c88b9a4z0699e0okczx653/b3s23. This leads to three trivial syntheses of 3 simpler still-lifes: 21.112962, 20.56160, and 19.27343, from 6 glider each. (It's likely that these or variants were known, but I'm posting them just in case they aren't). This same mechanism could probably also be used to make 20.55205, 19.26785, and 18.12980 (18#723); here are some syntheses (from 9, 11, 13 respectively) but I'm fairly sure the loaf-based teardrop can probably be made from 3 gliders, so these should all likely take 7.
x = 110, y = 49, rule = B3/S23
42bo$4bo38boo38bo$bbobo37boo40boo$3boo78boo9bobo$23boo27bo10boo29boo7b
oo$22bobbo25bo10bobbo29bo6bobbo$boo19bobbobboo17bo3b3o8bobbobboo11b3o
18bobbobbo$bboo19b3obobo10b3o5boo13b3obobo13bo4bo14b3obobo$bo25boo13bo
4boo18boo13bo6boo16boo$25boo14bo23boo21boo15boo$24bobo37bobo37bobo$24b
oo39bo39bo$8bo42boo34boo3bo$7b3o40boo36booboo$6boobo42bo34bo3bobo$6b3o
$3boobboo$bbobo$4bo$45bo$45boo$44bobo6$13bo$5bobo3boo$6boo4boo$6bo$$
10bo$o8boo$boo6bobo12bo19bo19bo19bo19bo$oo21bobo17bobo17bobo17bobo17bo
bo$6boo14bobbobboo12bobbobboo12bobbobboo12bobbobboo12bobbobbo$6bobo14b
3obobo13b3obobo13b3obobo13b3obobo4bo8b3obobo$6bo20boo18boo18boo18boo5b
obo10boo$25boo18boo18boo18boo7boo9boo$24bobo17bobo17bobo17bobo17bobo$
24boo18boo19bo19bo5b3o11bo$8bo82bo$7b3o39boo41bo$6boobo39bobo$6b3o40bo
$3boobboo36b3o$bbobo42bo$4bo41bo!
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Re: Soup search results

Postby A for awesome » March 28th, 2017, 1:52 pm

A p18 in D4_x1:
x = 31, y = 31, rule = B3/S23
obbbbbbbbooobooboobobooobbboobo$
bobbboobbooooobooobbobbbbobooob$
bbobbbbboobboobbobobooobboobooo$
bbbbbbbboooobooooobboobbboobboo$
bbbbbobbobbobbobooobboboobboobb$
bobbobobobbbooboobobbbbobbbooob$
bobbboobboooobboboooooooobobbbb$
bbbbbbbobobooooboobobbooooobbbo$
bboooobbobbobbooobbbboooobbbobo$
oooobboobboobboobbbbobobobooobo$
oobobbobbooboooobboboobbobbooob$
oobooboooobboooboobbbbboobbbbbo$
boobbooobboobbbbobbbobbbooobobb$
oooobobobboobbobobbobbboobooboo$
obboobbooooobobbbooobbooboooooo$
boboboobooobbbbobbbboooboobobob$
ooooooboobbooobbbobooooobboobbo$
oobooboobbbobbobobboobboboboooo$
bbobooobbbobbbobbbboobbooobboob$
obbbbboobbbbboobooobboooobooboo$
booobbobboobobbooooboobbobboboo$
obooobobobobbbboobboobboobboooo$
obobbboooobbbbooobbobbobboooobb$
obbbooooobbobooboooobobobbbbbbb$
bbbboboooooooobobboooobboobbbob$
booobbbobbbbobooboobbbobobobbob$
bboobboobobbooobobbobbobbobbbbb$
oobboobbboobboooooboooobbbbbbbb$
oooboobbooobobobboobboobbbbbobb$
booobobbbbobbooobooooobboobbbob$
oboobbbooobobooboobooobbbbbbbbo!

I'm not sure whether it's known, or who found it because /attribute says that there are no sample soups in D4_x1, for some reason.
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Re: Soup search results

Postby Apple Bottom » March 28th, 2017, 2:39 pm

A for awesome wrote:A p18 in D4_x1

[...]

I'm not sure whether it's known, or who found it because /attribute says that there are no sample soups in D4_x1, for some reason.


It's known; it's in jslife, in at least three different files (o0018.lif; x-oscs-1-of-each.lif; and x-oscs-new-p001-019.lif).

On Catagolue, it was found by benetnasch85 as part of this haul on March 13.
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Re: Soup search results

Postby A for awesome » March 30th, 2017, 6:07 pm

This almost certainly yields a synthesis of 112P15:
x = 31, y = 31, rule = B3/S23
obobobobbbbobobobobobbbbobobobo$
bbbobobbobbbbobobobbbbobbobobbb$
obbobobooboboobobooboboobobobbo$
boobbbooboobbbooobbbooboobbboob$
obbbbboooooobbobobboooooobbbbbo$
boobbbbobobooobbbooobobobbbboob$
obboobbobbbbobbbbbobbbbobboobbo$
bbooooobbobobobbbobobobbooooobb$
boobobbbbobobbobobbobobbbboboob$
bbboooboobobbooboobboboobooobbb$
bbooobbbboooobbbbboooobbbbooobb$
obbbooboobooooboboooobooboobbbo$
bbobboobbbooboboboboobbboobbobb$
ooobbobobobooooboooobobobobbooo$
bbboobbboobbbobobobbboobbboobbb$
oooobbbbbbbooboooboobbbbbbboooo$
bbboobbboobbbobobobbboobbboobbb$
ooobbobobobooooboooobobobobbooo$
bbobboobbbooboboboboobbboobbobb$
obbbooboobooooboboooobooboobbbo$
bbooobbbboooobbbbboooobbbbooobb$
bbboooboobobbooboobboboobooobbb$
boobobbbbobobbobobbobobbbboboob$
bbooooobbobobobbbobobobbooooobb$
obboobbobbbbobbbbbobbbbobboobbo$
boobbbbobobooobbbooobobobbbboob$
obbbbboooooobbobobboooooobbbbbo$
boobbbooboobbbooobbbooboobbboob$
obbobobooboboobobooboboobobobbo$
bbbobobbobbbbobobobbbbobbobobbb$
obobobobbbbobobobobobbbbobobobo!
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Re: Soup search results

Postby dvgrn » March 30th, 2017, 8:22 pm

A for awesome wrote:This almost certainly yields a synthesis of 112P15...

Definitely! What's a good R-pentomino recipe for this situation (at T=7)? And did I miss a way to replace (some of) those blinkers with single gliders? It seems to be a fairly fragile reaction:

x = 41, y = 41, rule = B3/S23
11bo17bo$11bo17bo$11bo17bo2$15b2o7b2o$14bo2bo5bo2bo$15b2o7b2o3$12b3o
11b3o$14bo11bo$3o10bo13bo10b3o$9bo8bo3bo8bo$9bobo5bobobobo5bobo$5bo3b
2o6bobobobo6b2o3bo$4bobo11bo3bo11bobo$4bobo27bobo$5bo7b2o11b2o7bo$12bo
2bo9bo2bo$13b2o11b2o2$13b2o11b2o$12bo2bo9bo2bo$5bo7b2o11b2o7bo$4bobo
27bobo$4bobo11bo3bo11bobo$5bo3b2o6bobobobo6b2o3bo$9bobo5bobobobo5bobo$
9bo8bo3bo8bo$3o10bo13bo10b3o$14bo11bo$12b3o11b3o3$15b2o7b2o$14bo2bo5bo
2bo$15b2o7b2o2$11bo17bo$11bo17bo$11bo17bo!
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Re: Soup search results

Postby mniemiec » March 31st, 2017, 4:12 am

A for awesome wrote:This almost certainly yields a synthesis of 112P15: ...

dvgrn wrote:Definitely! What's a good R-pentomino recipe for this situation (at T=7)? ...

Here is a 56-glider synthesis: (EDITED: Fixed two steps being too close together. Thanks BlinkerSpawn)
x = 258, y = 81, rule = B3/S23
205bobo$205boo$206bo5$182bo$181bo$181b3o$167bo$165bobo28bo$166boo27bo$
195b3o$189bo$187bobo$188boo$171bo$145bo26boo$146boo23boo7bobo14bo$145b
oo33boo14bo17bo$181bo3bobo8b3o14bo$185boo26b3o$5bo180bo$6boo$5boo3bo
85bo79bo$8boo87boo75boo30bobo$bo7boo85boo68bo8boo29boo$boo155bo5bobo
40bo32bo9bo$obo153bobo6boo32bo41bo7bo$100bobo54boo16bo17b3obboo36boob
3o7b3oboo$100boo73bobo15bo4bobo34bobo15bobo$43bo3bo35bo3bo13bo21bo3bo
47boo6bo3bo6bo40boo17boo$42bobobobo33bobobobo10bo22bobobobo53bobobobo$
42bobobobo33bobobobo9boo22bobobobo53bobobobo46bo7booboo7bo$43bo3bo35bo
3bo10bobo22bo3bo55bo3bo17boo26bobo8bobo8bobo$159b3o42boo10boo16boo6bob
obobo6boo$118boo11boo28bo16boo11boo13bo9bobo22bobo3bobo$117bobbo9bobbo
26bo5bo10bobbo9bobbo22bo22bobbo5bobbo$118boo11boo34boo9boo11boo46b3o7b
3o$166boo35boo$118boo11boo45boo11boo9boo35b3o7b3o$117bobbo9bobbo20bo
22bobbo9bobbo10bo5bo28bobbo5bobbo$118boo11boo19bobo9bo13boo11boo16bo
31bobo3bobo$153boo10boo42b3o22boo6bobobobo6boo$43bo3bo22bobo10bo3bo35b
o3bo36boo17bo3bo45bobo8bobo8bobo$42bobobobo22boo9bobobobo33bobobobo53b
obobobo46bo7booboo7bo$42bobobobo22bo10bobobobo33bobobobo53bobobobo$43b
o3bo21bo13bo3bo35bo3bo48bo6bo3bo6boo39boo17boo$69boo99bobo4bo15bobo39b
obo15bobo$68bobo100boobb3o17bo16boo22boob3o7b3oboo$28bobo140bo32boo6bo
bo26bo7bo$28boo133bo40bobo5bo27bo9bo$20boo7bo43boo88boo29boo8bo$21boo
49boo88bobo30boo$20bo3boo48bo119bo$23boo$25bo158bo$155b3o26boo$157bo
14b3o8bobo3bo$156bo17bo14boo33boo$173bo14bobo7boo23boo$197boo26bo$199b
o$181boo$181bobo$181bo$173b3o$175bo27boo$174bo28bobo$203bo$187b3o$189b
o$188bo5$164bo$164boo$163bobo!
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Re: Soup search results

Postby yootaa » April 2nd, 2017, 6:49 am

New p5 oscillator with the 2nd highest volatility! (0.973)
(The 2nd highest p5 volatility was 0.959.)
x = 27, y = 27, rule = B3/S23
11bo3bo$10bobobobo2$9b2obobob2o$8b5ob5o3$13bo$4bo17bo$3b2o5b3ob3o5b2o$
bob2o4bobo3bobo4b2obo$o3bo4b2o5b2o4bo3bo$bob2o4bo7bo4b2obo$7bo11bo$bob
2o4bo7bo4b2obo$o3bo4b2o5b2o4bo3bo$bob2o4bobo3bobo4b2obo$3b2o5b3ob3o5b
2o$4bo17bo$13bo3$8b5ob5o$9b2obobob2o2$10bobobobo$11bo3bo!

Soup:
x = 31, y = 31, rule = B3/S23
bbobooooboobbobbbobbooboooobobb$
bbobooobbooooobbbooooobbooobobb$
oobobbbbbobbbobobobbbobbbbboboo$
bboobbbbbbooboooooboobbbbbboobb$
oobbbbbbobbooboboboobbobbbbbboo$
oobbbobobobbbbooobbbbobobobbboo$
oobbbbobobbooboboboobbobobbbboo$
obbbbobobbobobbbbbobobbobobbbbo$
bbbbobobbobobbbobbbobobbobobbbb$
ooobbobbobbbbobobobbbbobbobbooo$
oobobbbobbooooobooooobbobbboboo$
bobooboboboboobbbooboboboboobob$
bobboboobboobbooobboobboobobbob$
oooobbbbbooobbbobbbooobbbbboooo$
bbboooobbbobobbobbobobbboooobbb$
bboobobboobbooooooobboobboboobb$
bbboooobbbobobbobbobobbboooobbb$
oooobbbbbooobbbobbbooobbbbboooo$
bobboboobboobbooobboobboobobbob$
bobooboboboboobbbooboboboboobob$
oobobbbobbooooobooooobbobbboboo$
ooobbobbobbbbobobobbbbobbobbooo$
bbbbobobbobobbbobbbobobbobobbbb$
obbbbobobbobobbbbbobobbobobbbbo$
oobbbbobobbooboboboobbobobbbboo$
oobbbobobobbbbooobbbbobobobbboo$
oobbbbbbobbooboboboobbobbbbbboo$
bboobbbbbbooboooooboobbbbbboobb$
oobobbbbbobbbobobobbbobbbbboboo$
bbobooobbooooobbbooooobbooobobb$
bbobooooboobbobbbobbooboooobobb!

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Re: Soup search results

Postby Apple Bottom » April 2nd, 2017, 10:21 am

yootaa wrote:New p5 oscillator with the 2nd highest volatility! (0.973)
(The 2nd highest p5 volatility was 0.959.)


Very cool! (EDIT: ah, this is a variant of Scot's p5, isn't it.)
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Re: Soup search results

Postby A for awesome » April 2nd, 2017, 12:12 pm

Apple Bottom wrote:(EDIT: ah, this is a variant of Scot's p5, isn't it.)

Are you sure? I don't see the resemblance.
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Re: Soup search results

Postby BlinkerSpawn » April 2nd, 2017, 12:21 pm

A feasible-at-first-glance method of synthesis:
x = 138, y = 25, rule = B3/S23
123bo3bo$120bo2bo3bo2bo$121b3o3b3o2$50bo34bo39bo$40bo2b2o5bo33b3o37b3o
$40bo8b2o32b5o35b5o$2ob2ob2ob2o26b5ob2ob2ob4o29bobobobo25bo7bobobobo7b
o$2obo3bob2o28b3obo3bob2o32b2ob2o27bo7b2ob2o7bo$3bo3bo35bo3bo32bo2b2ob
2o2bo24bo4bo2b2ob2o2bo4bo$3o5b3o15bo13b3o5b3obo8bo5bo3bo7bob2o5b2obo
14bo6b3o3bob2o5b2obo3b3o$o4bo4bo29bo4bo4bobo25b5o2bo2b5o25b5o2bo2b5o$
4bobo13bobobobobo15bobo12bobobo3bobobo5b3o4bobo4b3o6bobobobobo8b3o4bob
o4b3o$o4bo4bo27bobo4bo4bo27b5o2bo2b5o25b5o2bo2b5o$3o5b3o15bo11bob3o5b
3o10bo9bo7bob2o5b2obo14bo6b3o3bob2o5b2obo3b3o$3bo3bo35bo3bo32bo2b2ob2o
2bo24bo4bo2b2ob2o2bo4bo$2obo3bob2o29b2obo3bob3o31b2ob2o27bo7b2ob2o7bo$
2ob2ob2ob2o27b4ob2ob2ob5o28bobobobo25bo7bobobobo7bo$40b2o8bo32b5o35b5o
$40bo5b2o2bo33b3o37b3o$40bo44bo39bo2$121b3o3b3o$120bo2bo3bo2bo$123bo3b
o!

But with LWSSes marking where the Bs should be to be in the right places at the right time, we can see that sparking that particular base will be incredibly difficult:
x = 33, y = 33, rule = B3/S23
12b2o5b2o$11b3o5b3o$11b2obo3bob2o$12b3o3b3o$13bo5bo2$15bo$11b7o$10b2ob
4o3bobo$10bo10bo$8bo14b2o$b2o6bob2ob2ob2ob2o2b2o4b2o$4o4bo2b2obo3bob2o
3bo3b4o$2ob2o9bo3bo5b2o2b2ob2o$2b2o7b3o5b3o2b2o3b2o$7bo3bo4bo4bo2b3o$
7b2o6bobo6b2o$6b3o2bo4bo4bo3bo$2b2o3b2o2b3o5b3o7b2o$2ob2o2b2o5bo3bo9b
2ob2o$4o3bo3b2obo3bob2o2bo4b4o$b2o4b2o2b2ob2ob2ob2obo6b2o$8b2o14bo$11b
o10bo$10bobo3b4ob2o$15b7o$17bo2$13bo5bo$12b3o3b3o$11b2obo3bob2o$11b3o
5b3o$12b2o5b2o!
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Re: Soup search results

Postby drc » April 8th, 2017, 1:05 am

I now own the 29th monogram:
x = 16, y = 16, rule = B3/S23
oobooobooobboobb$
bobbbboobooobbob$
obbbboboobobbbob$
obbooboooboboboo$
bbbobobooooobooo$
ooobbooooooobbbb$
bboobooboobbbbob$
bbbboobbobbobboo$
oobobbbboobobboo$
boboooooobbooobb$
bboboooboooobbbb$
boobbboobboboooo$
bobbobooooooobob$
bbbboobbbbobbbob$
booobbobboboobbo$
ooobboobbboboboo!
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Re: Soup search results

Postby BlinkerSpawn » April 18th, 2017, 10:12 pm

Ok, the new p5 is slightly less less-workable than I thought:
x = 148, y = 51, rule = B3/S23
bo$2bo12bo8b2o$3o13bo8bo94bobo$11bobo9b3o95b2o$2bo2bo10bo10b2o92bo$6bo
8bo10b4o$2bo3bo19b2ob2o18bobo23bobo$3b4o21b2o20b2o23b2o$50bo25bo43b3ob
3o$57bo11bo$55bobo11bobo$55b3o11b3o$59b2o5b2o$58b3o5b3o52bo3bo$41bo16b
2obo3bob2o16bo35bo3bo$42b2o15b3o3b3o15b2o34b2o5b2o$41b2o17bo5bo17b2o
32bo3bobo3bo$118bo3bobo3bo$119b3o3b3o$60bo2b2o$45b2o10b2ob4o3bobo10b2o
$46bo10bo10bo11bo32b2o6b5o6b2o$44b3o8bo14b2o8b3o29bo2bo4b3ob3o4bo2bo$
48b2o6bob2ob2ob2ob2o2bo5b2o26bo6bo2bo3bo2bobo2bo3bo2bo6bo5bo$47b4o4bo
2b2obo3bob2o7b4o25bo4b2o3bo2b2o7b2o2bo3b2o4bo3b2o$47b2ob2o9bo3bo5b2o2b
2ob2o25bo7b2o3b3o5b3o3b2o7bo4b2o$49b2o7b3o5b3o2bo4b2o40bo9bo$54bo3bo4b
o4bo2bo27b2o4bo7b2o3b3o5b3o3b2o7bo$54b2o6bobo6b2o27b2o3bo4b2o3bo2b2o7b
2o2bo3b2o4bo$55bo2bo4bo4bo3bo26bo5bo6bo2bo3bo2bobo2bo3bo2bo6bo$49b2o4b
o2b3o5b3o7b2o34bo2bo4b3ob3o4bo2bo$47b2ob2o2b2o5bo3bo9b2ob2o33b2o6b5o6b
2o$47b4o7b2obo3bob2o2bo4b4o$48b2o5bo2b2ob2ob2ob2obo6b2o$44b3o8b2o14bo
8b3o36b3o3b3o$46bo11bo10bo10bo37bo3bobo3bo$45b2o10bobo3b4ob2o10b2o36bo
3bobo3bo$62b2o2bo52b2o5b2o$121bo3bo$121bo3bo$41b2o17bo5bo17b2o$42b2o
15b3o3b3o15b2o$41bo16b2obo3bob2o16bo$58b3o5b3o$59b2o5b2o52b3ob3o$55b3o
11b3o$55bobo11bobo$57bo11bo$50bo25bo48bo$50b2o23b2o47b2o$49bobo23bobo
46bobo!
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Temp: to Soup Search Results

Postby Goldtiger997 » April 22nd, 2017, 2:54 am

Octopole in 12 gliders:

x = 55, y = 33, rule = B3/S23
52bo$52bobo$52b2o$20bo$18bobo$8bo10b2o$6bobo$7b2o7bo$14bobo$15b2o2$17b
obo$17b2o24bobo$18bo24b2o$44bo4$10bo$10b2o24bo$9bobo24b2o$35bobo2$38b
2o$38bobo$38bo7b2o$46bobo$34b2o10bo$34bobo$34bo$b2o$obo$2bo!


Decapole in 14 gliders:

x = 73, y = 33, rule = B3/S23
26bo$27bo16bo$25b3o14b2o$43b2o2$o$b2o$2o2$25bo$25bobo$25b2o2$24bo32bob
o$22bobo7bo24b2o$23b2o5bobo25bo$31b2o7b2o$14bo25bobo5b2o$14b2o24bo7bob
o$13bobo32bo2$46b2o$45bobo$47bo2$71b2o$70b2o$72bo2$28b2o$29b2o14b3o$
28bo16bo$46bo!


I get the feeling that there are many cheap syntheses of barberpoles lurking in symmetric soups...

EDIT: Whoops, I meant to post this in soup search results. A moderator could move it (and mniemiec's reply), but I think it's fine.

EDIT by dvgrn: Well, I'd never tried doing that before, so probably I needed a little practice. It's a crazy awkward two-step process (split to new topic, then merge)... so thanks for the opportunity, and I don't need any more practice now please.
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Re: Thread For Your Useless Discoveries

Postby mniemiec » April 22nd, 2017, 5:59 am

Goldtiger997 wrote:Octopole in 12 gliders: ... Decapole in 14 gliders: ... I get the feeling that there are many cheap syntheses of barberpoles lurking in symmetric soups...

Nice! These reduce all the larger barberpoles. If a similar synthesis of the heptapole can be found from 11 or fewer gliders, it would reduce all the pseudo-barberpoles as well.
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Re: Soup search results

Postby Goldtiger997 » April 22nd, 2017, 10:32 pm

mniemiec wrote:Nice! These reduce all the larger barberpoles. If a similar synthesis of the heptapole can be found from 11 or fewer gliders, it would reduce all the pseudo-barberpoles as well.


I couldn't find a cheaper synthesis of the heptapole, but I managed to find a cheaper synthesis for the pseudo barberpole in 16 gliders:

x = 63, y = 67, rule = B3/S23
2bo$3b2o$2b2o2$60bo$60bobo$60b2o$50bo$48b2o$49b2o2$12bo$13b2o$12b2o3$
7bobo$8b2o$8bo2$42bo$43bo$41b3o6$45bo$45bobob3o$45b2o2bo$50bo3$35bo$
34bo$31b2ob3o$30bobo$32bo7$18bo$16bobo$17b2o2$24b3o$26bo$25bo$4bo$4b2o
19b2o$3bobo19bobo$25bo2$53b2o$53bobo$53bo5$3o$2bo$bo!


dvgrn wrote:EDIT by dvgrn: Well, I'd never tried doing that before, so probably I needed a little practice. It's a crazy awkward two-step process (split to new topic, then merge)... so thanks for the opportunity, and I don't need any more practice now please.


Thanks! I wasn't sure if it was possible. I'll try not to accidentally post in the wrong topic again.
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