## Soup search results

For discussion of specific patterns or specific families of patterns, both newly-discovered and well-known.

### Re: Soup search results

Rich's p16 eats gliders
`x = 16, y = 19, rule = B3/S2314bo\$13bo\$13b3o2\$4bo\$2b2obo\$2bo3bo\$o5bo\$o5bo2bo\$o7bobo\$2b4o2b2o2\$2b4o2b2o\$o7bobo\$o5bo2bo\$o5bo\$2bo3bo\$2b2obo\$4bo!`
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Congratulations to Rich Holmes! This is really cool. I'm a bit surprised it wasn't found by gsearch years ago.

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Congrats!

I posted already some improved guns with this p16 here.

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codeholic wrote:Rich Holmes discovered a new p16 using apgsearch

Object: https://catagolue.appspot.com/object/xp ... 0ck8/b3s23
Haul: https://catagolue.appspot.com/haul/b3s2 ... c55d8d4edc

That's a pretty neat seed:
`x = 11, y = 31, rule = B3/S232o\$obo\$2bo\$2b2o3\$8bo\$7bobo\$7bobo\$bobo4bo\$2b2o\$2bo\$9b2o\$b2o6b2o\$b2o2\$b2o\$b2o6b2o\$9b2o\$2bo\$2b2o\$bobo4bo\$7bobo\$7bobo\$8bo3\$2b2o\$2bo\$obo\$2o!`

EDIT: And 18G synthesis that ignore the fact that I'm sure those blocks can be made with 3 gliders:
`obsoleted`

EDIT 2: Now 16G thanks to Extrementhusiast:
`x = 138, y = 39, rule = B3/S2366bobo\$67b2o34bo\$67bo5bo29bobo\$73bobo27b2o\$73b2o25b2o\$24bo75bobo\$22bobo76bo\$23b2o3\$48bo29bo\$47bobo27bobo\$47bobo27bobo\$20bo3bo23bo22bobo4bo24b2o28b2o\$21b2obobo45b2o28bo2bo26bo2bo\$20b2o2b2o46bo32b2o28b2o\$41bo7b2o28b2o18bo5b3o21bo5b3o\$42bo6b2o20b2o6b2o17bobo3bo2bo20bobo3bo2bo\$40b3o28b2o26b2o3b3o22b2o3b3o2\$40b3o28b2o26b2o3b3o22b2o3b3o\$29b2o11bo6b2o20b2o6b2o17bobo3bo2bo20bobo3bo2bo\$29b2o10bo7b2o28b2o18bo5b3o21bo5b3o\$2o2b2o66bo32b2o28b2o\$b2obobo65b2o28bo2bo26bo2bo\$o3bo23bo19bo22bobo4bo24b2o28b2o\$27bobo17bobo27bobo\$27bobo17bobo27bobo\$28bo19bo29bo3\$3b2o\$2bobo96bo\$4bo95bobo\$73b2o25b2o\$73bobo27b2o\$67bo5bo29bobo\$67b2o34bo\$66bobo!`
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### Re: Soup search results

codeholic wrote:Rich Holmes discovered a new p16 using apgsearch ...

Nice! This seems to have a bit in common with the tumbler. (I was trying to look up the soup on catagolue, but I keep getting a 500 server error).
BlinkerSpawn wrote:And 18G synthesis that ignore the fact that I'm sure those blocks can be made with 3 gliders: ...

They can be. I it might be possible to further reduce this by 1, if one an find a 3-glider synthesis of beehive and block, but none of the ones I know make them with that spacing.
`x = 35, y = 8, rule = B3/S234bo\$4bobo\$o3boo\$boo\$oo8bo\$9boo\$9bobo16boo3boo\$28boo3boo!`
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Don't think I have seen this before. Is this known?
`x = 16, y = 16, rule = B3/S23bboobooboboobobo\$bobbbobbooobooob\$ooobbbboooobbobo\$bbbooooooooobbbo\$oboboobbbbbobobo\$obboooooobbbbooo\$obbooobobobbbbob\$ooboooobbobbobob\$ooooboboobbobboo\$obobbobobooobobb\$obooboobbbbobbbo\$obbbbbobboobobbb\$bbooobobbboobooo\$bboobobboobbobbo\$obbbbbooboobbboo\$bobbooboooooobbb!`

Pre-pulsar crashes into a boat and makes a HWSS.
https://catagolue.appspot.com/haul/b3s23/C1/d296c3484e7df7c27d799ef1d1947a65 The haul.

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Rich Holmes wrote:Heh. "Rich Holmes discovered"? I was asleep when apgsearch found this and woke up to find it'd been logged, tweeted, retweeted, reported here, used to make a smaller gun, deemed awesome, and written up on the wiki.

This is probably the first time such a nice find got picked up by the GoL community before the discoverer themselves knew about it, but I would definitely give you that title. It came out of a search on your computer, and searches are how we find these sorts of things. The difference this time is that the Twitterbot revealed it to the rest of us instead of you personally, though I totally understand if it feels like getting a trophy by accident.
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_zM wrote:Don't think I have seen this before. Is this known?
`x = 16, y = 16, rule = B3/S23bboobooboboobobo\$bobbbobbooobooob\$ooobbbboooobbobo\$bbbooooooooobbbo\$oboboobbbbbobobo\$obboooooobbbbooo\$obbooobobobbbbob\$ooboooobbobbobob\$ooooboboobbobboo\$obobbobobooobobb\$obooboobbbbobbbo\$obbbbbobboobobbb\$bbooobobbboobooo\$bboobobboobbobbo\$obbbbbooboobbboo\$bobbooboooooobbb!`

Pre-pulsar crashes into a boat and makes a HWSS.
https://catagolue.appspot.com/haul/b3s23/C1/d296c3484e7df7c27d799ef1d1947a65 The haul.

It has probably been observed before at least 3 times. For example, I found it in this pattern back in 2013:
`x = 6, y = 19, rule = B3/S233o2\$3bo\$3bo\$3bo2\$3o6\$3o2\$3bobo\$3bobo\$3bobo2\$3o!`

EDIT: I also found it in this post in Thread For Your Accidental Discoveries.

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Alright. But it's still interesting that it appeared in such a small haul.
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Rich: Neat!

I do admit I need to get back to CGoL--I have been very distracted for much longer than anticipated.
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### Re: Soup search results

xp24 composed of two Figure Eights and two Unixes (Unices?), from D4_x1:

`x = 19, y = 19, rule = B3/S233b3o13b\$3b3o5b2o6b\$3b3o5b2o6b\$3o16b\$3o16b\$3o7b3o6b\$10b2obo2b2ob\$12b2o2b2ob\$12b2o5b\$19b\$5b2o12b\$b2o2b2o12b\$b2o2bob2o10b\$6b3o7b3o\$16b3o\$16b3o\$6b2o5b3o3b\$6b2o5b3o3b\$13b3o3b!`

This has four cells that actually oscillate at period 24, BTW, so it's not a trivial oscillator.

Also, a new queen bee shuttle variant in C1:

`x = 26, y = 7, rule = B3/S239bo16b\$7bobo13b2ob\$2o4bobo14bobo\$2o3bo2bo11b2obobo\$6bobo11b2ob2ob\$7bobo16b\$9bo16b!`

And another:

`x = 14, y = 24, rule = B3/S239bo4b\$8bobo3b\$6b3ob3ob\$5bo7bo\$5b2o5b2o\$14b\$14b\$14b\$2b3o9b\$2b3o9b\$bo3bo8b\$14b\$2o3b2o7b\$14b\$14b\$14b\$14b\$14b\$14b\$14b\$14b\$14b\$3b2o9b\$3b2o9b!`
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### Re: Soup search results

Apple Bottom wrote:
`x = 14, y = 24, rule = B3/S239bo4b\$8bobo3b\$6b3ob3ob\$5bo7bo\$5b2o5b2o\$14b\$14b\$14b\$2b3o9b\$2b3o9b\$bo3bo8b\$14b\$2o3b2o7b\$14b\$14b\$14b\$14b\$14b\$14b\$14b\$14b\$14b\$3b2o9b\$3b2o9b!`

Actually, that can hold two:

`9bo\$8bobo\$6b3ob3o\$5bo7bo\$5b2o5b2o4\$2b3o9b3o\$2b3o9b3o\$bo3bo7bo3bo2\$2o3b2o5b2o3b2o10\$3b2o9b2o\$3b2o9b2o!`

And an alternate stabilization:

`9bo\$8bobo\$6b3ob3o\$5bo7bo\$5b2o5b2o4\$2b3o9b3o\$2b3o9b3o\$bo3bo7bo3bo2\$2o3b2o5b2o3b2o9\$5b2o5b2o\$5bo7bo\$6b3ob3o\$8bobo\$9bo!`

A single glider can be used to almost cleanly destroy one of the shuttles without affecting the other shuttle:

`9bo\$8bobo\$6b3ob3o\$5bo7bo\$5b2o5b2o4\$2b3o9b3o\$2b3o9b3o\$bo3bo7bo3bo2\$2o3b2o5b2o3b2o5\$19b3o\$19bo\$20bo2\$5b2o5b2o\$5bo7bo\$6b3ob3o\$8bobo\$9bo!`

I doubt that there would be much trouble in removing those two blocks.
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xp22 in C4_4 -- the first xp22 in Conway Life on Catagolue. It's 48P22.1:

`x = 16, y = 16, rule = B3/S2311b2o3b\$12b2o2b\$b3o3b2o3b2o2b\$4o3b2o2b3o2b\$o2b2o2b3obo4b\$16b\$4bo11b\$2b3o6b3o2b\$2b3o6b3o2b\$11bo4b\$16b\$4bob3o2b2o2bo\$2b3o2b2o3b4o\$2b2o3b2o3b3ob\$2b2o12b\$3b2o11b!`

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46-cell still life:

`x = 16, y = 16, rule = B3/S23bo5b3ob4o\$3bob2o3bo2b3o\$2obo2b4o3bo\$bobo3bo4bob2o\$4obobobo2bob2o\$ob2o3b3ob3o\$o2bob4ob3o2bo\$b9obobobo\$3o4b2obo\$2o2bo2b3o3bo\$o5bob3ob4o\$o2bobo3b2obo2bo\$ob4o5b2obo\$3b2o2b2o3bo\$2o3b2ob3o\$2b2obob3o2b2obo!`

EDIT: Reaction:

`x = 7, y = 24, rule = B3/S232b3o4\$2b3o2\$3bo\$2bobo\$2bobo\$3bo6\$3bo\$2bobo\$2bobo\$3bo\$o5bo\$o5bo\$o5bo2\$2b3o!`

http://catagolue.appspot.com/object/xs46_69b88bb8b96z69d11dd1d96/b3s23

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Completely random name suggestion: "Professor"
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muzik wrote:Completely random name suggestion: "Professor"

*Cis-Professor. You can move the one block down and get Trans-Professor
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Or maybe we could just have "professor" and "professor who quite clearly drank a bit too much last night".
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drc wrote:
muzik wrote:Completely random name suggestion: "Professor"

*Cis-Professor. You can move the one block down and get Trans-Professor

I hate to get technical but it's cis-mirrored Professor to distinguish between it and the following
`x = 9, y = 11, rule = B3/S23b2o3b2o\$o2bobo2bo\$2obobob2o\$3bobo\$2obobo\$2obobob2o\$3bobob2o\$3bobo\$2obobob2o\$o2bobo2bo\$b2o3b2o!`

which would be cis-rotated Professor.
For this type of SL there are five descriptors: cis-mirrored, cis-rotated, trans-mirrored, trans-rotated, and para-. (I think?) I'm not sure of the distinction between the last two.
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Well, we need to make up our mind as to whether "professor" is a non-systematic name for the whole object like "omnibus" or for just half the object (personally, I prefer the latter).

If one of the induction coils is called a professor, then the five isomers will be, in order, cis-mirrored professor, trans-mirrored professor, offset mirrored professor (or skew-professors, or shift-mirrored professor), trans-rotated professor, and cis-rotated professor.

`x = 65, y = 13, rule = B3/S23b2o3b2o7b2o3b2o7b2o12b2o12b2o\$o2bobo2bo5bo2bobo2bo5bo2bo10bo2bo10bo2bo\$2obobob2o5b2obobob2o5b2obo2b2o6b2obo2b2o6b2obo2b2o\$3bobo11bobo11bobo2bo8bobo2bo8bobo2bo\$2obobob2o5b2obobo8b2obobob2o5b2obobob2o8bobob2o\$2obobob2o5b2obobob2o5b2obobo8b2obobo8b2obobo\$3bobo11bobob2o8bobob2o8bobo8b2obobob2o\$3bobo11bobo11bobob2o8bobob2o8bobob2o\$2obobob2o5b2obobob2o5b2obobo8b2obobob2o5b2obobo\$o2bobo2bo5bo2bobo2bo5bo2bobo8bo2bobo8bo2bobo\$b2o3b2o7b2o3b2o7b2o2bob2o6b2o2bob2o6b2o2bob2o\$33bo2bo10bo2bo10bo2bo\$34b2o12b2o12b2o!`

What's more, this pattern has the same end structure as the omnibus. I guess that the component b2o3b2o\$o2bobo2bo\$2obobob2o\$3bobo\$2obobob2o\$2obobob2o! and more generally 3bo\$2obo\$o2bo\$b2o! just have a lot of small predecessors. I wonder if this will be the most common 44-cell still life:

`x = 9, y = 10, rule = B3/S23b2o3b2o\$o2bobo2bo\$2obobob2o\$3bobo\$2obobob2o\$2obobob2o\$3bobo\$2obobob2o\$o2bobo2bo\$b2o3b2o!`

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I called the whole thing a professor because the blocks look like eyes and the rest looks like some really fancy moustache.
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Gamedziner wrote:Actually, that can hold two:
`rle`
And an alternate stabilization:
`rle`
A single glider can be used to almost cleanly destroy one of the shuttles without affecting the other shuttle:
`rle`
I doubt that there would be much trouble in removing those two blocks.

Quick side note, not to distract from the professor discussion: all of these have, in fact, been known for a very long time; the only reason the one posted by Apple Bottom is special now is that it's the first time it's appeared from an apgsearch-verified soup, while none of these other stabilizations/combinations have (except probably the glider+shuttle reaction, but that isn't very notable anyways and was also likely known long before apgsearch).
Similar deal with the comment you made a while ago about a switch-engine pair actually being two puffers. That was known already, it's just the way they're paired that's important.
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gmc_nxtman wrote:46-cell still life:
`x = 16, y = 16, rule = B3/S23bo5b3ob4o\$3bob2o3bo2b3o\$2obo2b4o3bo\$bobo3bo4bob2o\$4obobobo2bob2o\$ob2o3b3ob3o\$o2bob4ob3o2bo\$b9obobobo\$3o4b2obo\$2o2bo2b3o3bo\$o5bob3ob4o\$o2bobo3b2obo2bo\$ob4o5b2obo\$3b2o2b2o3bo\$2o3b2ob3o\$2b2obob3o2b2obo!`

EDIT: Reaction:
`x = 7, y = 24, rule = B3/S232b3o4\$2b3o2\$3bo\$2bobo\$2bobo\$3bo6\$3bo\$2bobo\$2bobo\$3bo\$o5bo\$o5bo\$o5bo2\$2b3o!`

9G synth:
`x = 131, y = 53, rule = B3/S2390bo\$90bobo\$90b2o3\$49bo\$47b2o36b3o\$48b2o\$39bobo41bo5bo\$40b2o41bo5bo\$40bo42bo5bo\$54bo\$53bo31b3o\$53b3o5\$83b2o3b2o33b2o3b2o\$82bo2bobo2bo31bo2bobo2bo\$82b2obobob2o31b2obobob2o\$85bobo37bobo\$82b2obobob2o31b2obobob2o\$82b2obobob2o31b2obobob2o\$85bobo37bobo\$85bobo37bobo\$82b2obobob2o31b2obobob2o\$bo80bo2bobo2bo31bo2bobo2bo\$2bo35b2o43b2o3b2o33b2o3b2o\$3o36b2o15b2o\$38bo7bo8b2o\$45bobo9bo\$45bobo\$3b3o40bo\$5bo\$4bo15\$59b3o\$59bo\$60bo!`
Iteration of sigma(n)+tau(n)-n [sigma(n)+tau(n)-n : OEIS A163163] (e.g. 16,20,28,34,24,44,46,30,50,49,11,3,3, ...) :
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gameoflifeboy wrote:Well, we need to make up our mind as to whether "professor" is a non-systematic name for the whole object like "omnibus" or for just half the object (personally, I prefer the latter).

If one of the induction coils is called a professor, then the five isomers will be, in order, cis-mirrored professor, trans-mirrored professor, offset mirrored professor (or skew-professors, or shift-mirrored professor), trans-rotated professor, and cis-rotated professor.

I'm with you - better to name an entire group of related objects than to pick one out and assign it a name while neglecting the others.

Is there a consensus re: "professor" as such, BTW? I think it's a decent name that fits in neatly with chemist, mathematician, ecologist and so on.
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Apple Bottom wrote:Is there a consensus re: "professor" as such, BTW? I think it's a decent name that fits in neatly with chemist, mathematician, ecologist and so on.
Hmm... I have been thinking about naming new things lately. I thought that this was the thoughts of most of us in the forum, but I am not sure if this still is today.

Naming new objects appearing on Catagolue seems to be judgement call...
It's interesting to some, while not too much on others, (which differs from object by object)
Some objects are actually named by one person arbitrarily (e.g. Omnibus) and
It seems hard to make a consensus with this everytime, both because of its frequency and attention gotten. (Sorry about the little rant I made at Lifewiki the other day...)

TL;DR: I don't have a clue whether naming new objects in Catagolue and in general is no-problemo or not.

Still, I think objects already with a name, at the very least, shouldn't be named again, unless there is a good reason to do so. (e.g. flying saucer on this page; I (and hopefully others) called it 25P3H1V0.2 for a long time and it would only cause confusion to rename it otherwise. blobfish too.)
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Scorbie wrote:Still, I think objects already with a name, at the very least, shouldn't be named again, unless there is a good reason to do so. (e.g. flying saucer on this page; I (and hopefully others) called it 25P3H1V0.2 for a long time and it would only cause confusion to rename it otherwise. blobfish too.)

Based on my proposals.

Honestly, referring to objects by their fairly hard to remember codenames is kind of annoying. Honestly, does it sound nice to say "a 22-5P4H1V1 synthesis of 28P10H1V0" out loud?

I understand it has been nameless before my parents even met, but it makes no sense for it to not have one after all this time.

On that topic, opinions on the name?
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