## Soup search results

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### Re: Soup search results

`x = 28, y = 6, rule = B3/S2325b2o\$17b2o5bo2bo\$17bobo5bobo\$3o15bo7bo\$o\$3o!`
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### Re: Soup search results

A new component, shown below in step 2, reduces the B29 synthesis to 26 gliders:

`x = 221, y = 29, rule = B3/S23204bobo\$205b2o\$205bo3\$197bo\$198bo10bobo\$56bo134bo4b3o10b2o\$54bobo98bo36b2o16bo\$55b2o96bobo35b2o19b3o\$63bo7bo36bo5bo39b2o56bo\$61bobo5b2o37bobob2o82bo5b2o9bo\$62b2o6b2o36b2o3b2o36b2o3b2o36bobo5bobob2o\$152b2o2bo38b2o6b2obo11bo\$64bo47bo38bo5b3o47b3o8bobo\$64bobo44b2o46bo49bo8b2o\$64b2o45bobo3b3o\$117bo96b2o\$107b2o9bo38b2o39b3o6b2o5bobo\$2bobo51bo49bobo47bobo35bo5bo5bobo5bo\$3b2o49b3o47b3obob2o42b3obob2o32b2o3bo4b3obob2o7bo\$3bo49bo49bo5bo2bo40bo5bo2bo30bobo7bo5bo2bo5b2o\$53b2o48b2o5bo2bo39b2o5bo2bo39b2o5bo2bo4bobo\$3o108b2o48b2o48b2o\$2bo\$bo196b2o\$199b2o7b2o6b3o\$198bo8b2o7bo\$209bo7bo!`

EDIT: There's another way to get to that particular 19-bitter via a component, but I'm not sure how to complete it in a worthwhile way:

`x = 16, y = 11, rule = B3/S23obo\$b2o\$bo5b2o5b2o\$7bo7bo\$4b2o2b3ob3o\$3b2o5bobo\$3bo7bo\$7b2o\$2b2o3b2o\$2bobo\$2bo!`
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### Re: Soup search results

Kazyan wrote:A new component reduces the B29 synthesis to 26 gliders

The last step can be reduced by 1:
`x = 221, y = 29, rule = B3/S23204bobo\$205b2o\$205bo3\$197bo\$198bo10bobo\$56bo139b3o10b2o\$54bobo98bo54bo\$55b2o96bobo56b3o\$63bo7bo36bo5bo39b2o56bo\$61bobo5b2o37bobob2o82bo5b2o9bo\$62b2o6b2o36b2o3b2o36b2o3b2o36bobo5bobob2o\$152b2o2bo38b2o6b2obo11bo\$64bo47bo38bo5b3o47b3o8bobo\$64bobo44b2o46bo49bo8b2o\$64b2o45bobo3b3o\$117bo96b2o\$107b2o9bo38b2o39b3o6b2o5bobo\$2bobo51bo49bobo47bobo41bo5bobo5bo\$3b2o49b3o47b3obob2o42b3obob2o31b2o4bo4b3obob2o7bo\$3bo49bo49bo5bo2bo40bo5bo2bo31b2o7bo5bo2bo5b2o\$53b2o48b2o5bo2bo39b2o5bo2bo29bo9b2o5bo2bo4bobo\$3o108b2o48b2o48b2o\$2bo\$bo196b2o\$199b2o7b2o6b3o\$198bo8b2o7bo\$209bo7bo!`
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### Re: Soup search results

Incremental synthesis(not sure/haven't made one with kickbacks yet):

`x = 69, y = 70, rule = B3/S2313bo\$14bo\$12b3o4\$4bo53bo\$5b2o50bo\$4b2o51b3o4\$2bobo\$3b2o\$3bo62bobo\$66b2o\$67bo\$19bobo\$20b2o\$20bo\$48bo3bo\$46b2o3bo\$47b2o2b3o6\$34bo\$32bobo\$33b2o\$41bo7bo\$39bobo5b2o\$40b2o6b2o2\$42bo\$42bobo\$29bo12b2o\$27bobo\$28b2o6\$17b2o\$16bobo7bo23b2o\$18bo7b2o22bobo4bo\$25bobo22bo5b2o\$56bobo\$61b2o\$60b2o\$62bo6\$63bo\$6b2o54b2o\$7b2o53bobo\$b2o3bo\$obo63b3o\$2bo63bo\$67bo2\$6b2o\$5bobo48b2o7b2o\$7bo48bobo5b2o\$56bo9bo!`

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### Re: Soup search results

Another isomer of the "boring p24" finally showed up, the "uninteresting p24":

`x = 23, y = 13, rule = B3/S2312b3o3b3o2\$10bo4bobo4bo\$10bo4bobo4bo\$10bo4bobo4bo\$3o9b3o3b3o\$3o\$3o9b3o3b3o\$3b3o4bo4bobo4bo\$3b3o4bo4bobo4bo\$3b3o4bo4bobo4bo2\$12b3o3b3o!`
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### Re: Soup search results

Apple Bottom wrote:Another isomer of the "boring p24" finally showed up, the "uninteresting p24"

Discovered by you, apparently. Congratulations!
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### Re: Soup search results

calcyman wrote:Discovered by you, apparently. Congratulations!

Aww shucks, thanks!
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### Re: Soup search results

Eater to cavity siamese elevener component:
`x = 49, y = 58, rule = B3/S2310bo\$8bobo\$9b2o8\$21bo\$22bo\$20b3o2\$34bobo\$35b2o\$35bo2\$34b3o\$36bo\$35bo11b2o\$47bo\$45bobo\$45b2o25\$12b2o\$13b2o\$12bo5\$3o\$2bo\$bo!`

There is also this less expansive but more expensive variant:
`x = 33, y = 26, rule = B3/S2310bo\$8bobo\$9b2o2\$31b2o\$31bo\$25b2o2bobo\$24bobo2b2o\$25bo3\$19b2o\$18bobo\$20bo\$24b3o\$24bo\$12b2o11bo\$13b2o\$12bo5\$3o\$2bo\$bo!`

(There's nothing to be said about how expinsive, exponsive, or expunsive it is.)
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### Re: Soup search results

Extrementhusiast wrote:(There's nothing to be said about how expinsive, exponsive, or expunsive it is.)

Or sometimes expynsive

*ba dum tssssssssss*
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### Re: Soup search results

This test tube baby variant recently showed up naturally for the first time, after previously having been observed in fair number of symmetric soups:

`x = 12, y = 7, rule = B3/S235b2o\$4bo2bo\$4b4o\$2bobo2bobo\$bobo4bobo\$obo6bobo\$bo8bo!`

Could be called "barge test tube baby", in analogy to the tub test tube baby.
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### Re: Soup search results

The first 39-bitter has just appeared:

`x = 16, y = 16, rule = B3/S23ooobbbbbbbbobbbo\$boboboobobobbbob\$obbbbbobbobbooob\$bobbooobbboboboo\$bobobobboobooooo\$oboboobbboobbobb\$bobbbbbbobobooob\$bboooobooooobbbo\$bbbbobboooooobob\$boooobbbooobobbo\$booobbobobbbboob\$bobbobbbooobobbo\$boboobobooobobbb\$bobboooobbbooboo\$oooobbbobboboobo\$booooobbooobbobo!`

http://catagolue.appspot.com/census/b3s23/C1/xs39

Reaction:

`x = 13, y = 16, rule = B3/S235b3o6\$3bo5bo\$2b2o5b2o\$3bo5bo3\$o11bo\$o11bo\$o11bo2\$5b3o!`
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### Re: Soup search results

Alexey_Nigin wrote:The first 39-bitter has just appeared

Ooh, this means we now have a contiguous interval of attained still-life bit counts, namely {4, 5, 6, ..., 40, 41, 42}. As a straightforward corollary of this, I win an (empty) bet against Dave Greene.

Anyway, this seems to be a consequence of my launching lots of instances yesterday as can be seen here:

https://catagolue.appspot.com/user/apgoucher@gmx.com

Can we break the 50 * 10^12 barrier by the 20th February (Catagolue's first birthday)?

It's tight, but theoretically attainable. In particular, we need 3600 * 10^9 objects in the next 12 days (so an average of 300 * 10^9 objects per day).
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### Re: Soup search results

calcyman wrote:
Alexey_Nigin wrote:The first 39-bitter has just appeared

Ooh, this means we now have a contiguous interval of attained still-life bit counts, namely {4, 5, 6, ..., 40, 41, 42}. As a straightforward corollary of this, I win an (empty) bet against Dave Greene.

I'll send you the required number of golden sovereigns immediately, then, flown individually across the Atlantic by the required number of Quetzalcoatluses.

My conjecture might have been doomed eventually in any case. Do odd bit-count still lifes get to be relatively more likely for some reason as the bit-count increases?

It still seems as if population-N bilaterally symmetric objects tend to show up long before the first asymmetric population-N still lifes... and it's still relatively difficult to keep cells alive on the line of symmetry, because the cells down the middle can't turn back on if they happen to all die off.

...So really I think I'm still right in principle, and Catagolue only just happened to prove me wrong in practice.

Anyway, the new p39 looks like a fairly easy glider construction. What's the best way to start up a couple of pre-traffic lights in close proximity?

`x = 15, y = 18, rule = B3/S237bo\$7bo\$7bo4\$4bo5bo\$4bo5bo\$4bo5bo\$4bo5bo\$4bo5bo3\$3o9b3o2\$7bo\$7bo\$7bo!`

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### Re: Soup search results

dvgrn wrote:Anyway, the new xs39 looks like a fairly easy glider construction. What's the best way to start up a couple of pre-traffic lights in close proximity?

`x = 15, y = 18, rule = B3/S237bo\$7bo\$7bo4\$4bo5bo\$4bo5bo\$4bo5bo\$4bo5bo\$4bo5bo3\$3o9b3o2\$7bo\$7bo\$7bo!`

That seed was actually too hard to put together for me, but this 16-glider method works:
`x = 76, y = 52, rule = LifeHistory40.A\$40.A.A\$40.2A8\$2.A55.A\$A.A55.A.A\$.2A55.2A10\$32.A.A\$29.3D2A36.A.A\$28.D3.DA36.2A\$28.2DA2D38.A\$31.A\$29.3A2\$64.A7.A\$29.3D33.A5.A\$16.A.A9.D3.D9.A.A18.3A5.3A\$17.2A9.2D.2D9.2A24.A\$17.A25.A24.A\$68.A2\$34.2A28.3A3.3A\$24.D9.A.C\$24.D9.A.D\$24.D11.D31.C\$14.2A10.2A17.2A17.2C.C.C.2C\$15.2A8.A.A.3D12.2A17.C.C.C.C.C.C\$14.A12.A18.A15.C2.C.C.C.C2.C\$62.C.2C.C.C.2C.C\$61.2C.C2.C.C2.C.2C\$66.2C.2C2\$36.2A\$35.2A\$27.A9.A\$27.2A\$26.A.A!`
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### Re: Soup search results

dvgrn wrote:Anyway, the new xs39 looks like a fairly easy glider construction. What's the best way to start up a couple of pre-traffic lights in close proximity?

`RLE`

Note that that pair of pre-traffic lights is actually a pre-pulsar, making this likely doable with just eleven gliders. I'll leave it to you guys this time to actually synthesize it, before trying it myself.
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### Re: Soup search results

dvgrn wrote:Anyway, the new xs39 looks like a fairly easy glider construction. What's the best way to start up a couple of pre-traffic lights in close proximity? ...

BlinkerSpawn wrote:That seed was actually too hard to put together for me, but this 16-glider method works: ...

The cleanup can be reduced by one glider. Also, by fiddling with the position of the top glider in the initial synthesis, one can get different sets of debris, in several cases a 3/4 traffic light plus one additional object. It may be possible to shave a second glider off the cleanup by doing that, and having one lucky glider to remove the 3/4 TL and other object. (There is no way for a single glider to just remove a 3/4 TL here.) However, this is mooted by the following:
Extrementhusiast wrote:Note that that pair of pre-traffic lights is actually a pre-pulsar, making this likely doable with just eleven gliders. I'll leave it to you guys this time to actually synthesize it, before trying it myself.

Here it is:
`x = 105, y = 35, rule = B3/S234bo\$5boo\$4boo\$67bo\$7bo58bo\$7bo6bo51b3o\$7bo5bo50bo\$13b3o46bobo\$3b3o3b3o51boo3\$7bo29bo59bo\$3booboboboo21booboboboo51booboboboo\$bbobobobobobo19bobobobobobo49bobobobobobo\$bobbobobobobbo17bobbobobobobbo17bo29bobbobobobobbo\$bobooboboboobo17bobooboboboobo18bo7bobo18bobooboboboobo\$oobobbobobboboo15boobobbobobboboo15b3o7boo18boobobbobobboboo\$5booboo25booboo31bo23booboo3\$66boo\$66bobo\$55bo10bo12bo\$53bobo23bobo\$54boo23boo\$\$56b3o17b3o\$58bo17bo\$57bo19bo\$63boo\$62bobo\$64bo\$66b3o\$66bo\$67bo!`
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### Re: Soup search results

Looks like xs39 won! (in reference to the poll)
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### Re: Soup search results

Two new 14-bit still lifes have appeared in the last two days, bringing us up to 611/619.
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### Re: Soup search results

Yech.
`x = 9, y = 21, rule = B3/S235bo\$4bob2o\$3b2o\$3bob4o\$3bob3o\$4b2o\$2o\$2o\$2bo\$2o\$2o3\$bo\$b2o\$bobo2\$2bo\$4bo\$2b5o\$3b2o!`
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I don't know, though -- there's a point of attack that's just two pi heptominoes (at T=36 and T=71) plus two beehives and a tub.

That's only eleven gliders, plus however many it takes to settle the mess afterwards. Maybe fifteen or sixteen gliders in all, with a little luck -- that's just barely over the old goal of one glider per bit. And I'm no good at glider syntheses so I might be missing a trick somewhere.

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### Re: Soup search results

I'm going to earn the Voyager badge:

`x = 16, y = 16, rule = B3/S23obbobboooboooobb\$oobbboobooboboob\$ooboobboobbbobbb\$obbobbbboobobbbo\$bbbbbbbbobbobboo\$boooboboobbbboob\$bbobobobobobbbbo\$ooooboooooobbboo\$boobboobbboboobo\$bbbobboobbooobbb\$bboboooobbboobob\$oobbooooobbobbbo\$obbbbboboboboobb\$oooooboboobbbbob\$oobbooobobbbbobo\$bbbobobobbboobbo!`

That is MWSS on HWSS 3 #4!
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Congratulations! (In general, if a badge hasn't appeared, try refreshing the user page: badges are usually generated when you visit the user page, so you need to access the page for the second time in order for it to be visible.)

https://catagolue.appspot.com/user/Daniel%20R.%20Collazo/all#discoveries

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### Re: Soup search results

HWSS-on-MWSS 3? There's an interesting predecessor in that soup:
`x = 12, y = 14, rule = B3/S237b3obo\$9bo\$bo\$obo4bobo\$7bo\$b3o3b2o\$3bo\$bo\$o\$3b2o\$bo2bo\$2o2bo\$3bo\$2bo!`
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### Re: Soup search results

dvgrn wrote:

I don't know, though -- there's a point of attack that's just two pi heptominoes (at T=36 and T=71) plus two beehives and a tub.

That's only eleven gliders, plus however many it takes to settle the mess afterwards. Maybe fifteen or sixteen gliders in all, with a little luck -- that's just barely over the old goal of one glider per bit. And I'm no good at glider syntheses so I might be missing a trick somewhere.

Since this still-life can already be made with 9 gliders, it would require a lot more optimization (and luck) to beat that. Sometimes natural mechanisms yield syntheses that are cheaper than artificial ones, but more frequently, the setup required to invoke the natural mechanism (and/or subsequent cleanup) are more expensive than artificial methods, especially for objects with easy-to-make sub-pieces.
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### Re: Soup search results

The shortened E-buckaroo with integral (if I ain't mistaken about the name) showed up naturally just earlier - here's the soup:

`x = 16, y = 16, rule = B3/S23bbbbobbboobobooo\$boobbbooooooooob\$bbobbboobobbooob\$booobooobbbboobb\$ooooobbbbobboobo\$bboobobbboobbboo\$ooooboobooobbboo\$bbbboobboobboooo\$oobbboobooobbbbo\$oboooooobbobbbbb\$obbboobbobbobooo\$bboooboooooboooo\$bbobboobbobbooob\$oobbobbbbooooobo\$bbbboboboboobbob\$oooobbbooooboobo!`
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