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Re: Oscillator Discussion Thread

Postby Sokwe » November 21st, 2018, 4:06 pm

Kazyan wrote:A pentadecathlon can provide the magic spark to get the second glider out the other way, so there's this sequence of p30(2n+1) guns starting at p150.

I think you mean a sequence of p60(2n+1) guns starting at p300.

There is actually a known 180-degree p30 reflector with the same lane and timing. This allows the series to start at p180:
x = 49, y = 57, rule = B3/S23
28b2o$28b2o3$5b2o3b2o$4bo2bobo2bo$3bo2b2ob2o2bo15bo$4b2o5b2o16bo$6bobo
bo17bobo$6bo3bo16b2ob2o$4bobo3bobo13bo5bo$3bobob3obobo15bo$3bobo5bo2bo
11b2o3b2o$4b2obobob3o$7b3o$4b3o3b2o17bo$3bo2bobobobo15b2obo5bo$3b2o2b
2obob3o14bo2bo4b4o$8b3o4bo13bo8b4o5b2o$11b3o2bo13bobo5bo2bo5b2o$11bo2b
2o15bo6b4o$2bob2o4bob2o23b4o$2b2obo3b2o2bo23bo$8b2obobob2o$8bo4bo2bo$b
2o5b3o3bo$bobo3b2obobobobo$3bo3b3obobob2o$3b2o2bo5bo$9bo3bo$b4o3bo3bo$
bo3bo2bobo12b3o$4bo20bo$4b2o5bo12bo$8b3o4$bo$obo3b2o$bo4b2o4$17b2o6b2o
$16bo2bo4bo2bo$16bo2bo4bo2bo$16bo2bo4bo2bo$8bo8b2o6b2o$7bobo$7bobo$8bo
$12b2o$12bobo$3bo10bo$4bo9b2o$2b3o!

Unfortunately, this still doesn't allow the p60 gun, as it is impossible to fit the necessary p5 or p6 sparker that close to the queen bees (according to JLS).
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Re: Oscillator Discussion Thread

Postby wwei23 » November 21st, 2018, 4:25 pm

If not queen bees, why not a boojum reflector?
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Re: Oscillator Discussion Thread

Postby Sokwe » November 21st, 2018, 4:42 pm

wwei23 wrote:If not queen bees, why not a boojum reflector?

The rectifier/boojum reflector has the wrong lane separation (9 instead of 6), and is too slow (minimum repeat time of 106 instead of 60).
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Re: Oscillator Discussion Thread

Postby 2718281828 » November 21st, 2018, 5:18 pm

Some R-based glider supported oscillating pattern (at least not listed in jslife osc-supported):
x = 280, y = 121, rule = B3/S23
4$34b2obo6b2obo21bob2o6b2obo$34bob2o6bob2o21b2obo6bob2o67b2obo4b2o3b2o
$38b2o2b2o4b2o23b2o2b2o4b2o65bob2o4b2o3b2o47b2o5b2obo6b2obo$38bo3bo5bo
25bo2bo5bo64b2o4b2o57bo5bob2o6bob2o$39bo3bo5bo23bo4bo5bo63bo5bo3b2o3b
2o47bo10b2o2b2o4b2o$38b2o2b2o4b2o23b2o2b2o4b2o64bo5bo2bobobobo47b2o9bo
3bo5bo$34b2obo6b2obo23b2o4bo5bo64b2o4b2o4bobo61bo3bo5bo$34bob2o6bob2o
24bo5bo5bo65b2obo5b2obo49b2o9b2o2b2o4b2o$38b2o2b2o4b2o21bo5b2o4b2o65bo
b2o9b2o48bo5b2obo4bo5bo$38bo3bo5bo22b2o4bo5bo64b2o4b2o8bo47bo6bob2o5bo
5bo$39bo3bo5bo19b2o7bo5bo63bo5bo8bo48b2o3b2o8b2o4b2o$38b2o2b2o4b2o20bo
6b2o4b2o64bo5bo7b2o52bo9bo5bo$34b2obo6b2obo21bo9b2obo65b2o4b2o8bo47b2o
4bo9bo5bo$34bob2o6bob2o21b2o8bob2o67b2obo9bo49bo3b2o8b2o4b2o$150bob2o
9b2o47bo6b2obo6b2obo$212b2o5bob2o6bob2o3$121bo$122bo$120b3o4$113bo$
113bobo$113b2o3$47bo$47bobo$47b2o2$58bobo$59b2o$59bo3$38bo$37bo104bo$
37b3o103bo$96bo44b3o$95bo$95b3o163bo$260bo$260b3o3$81b2o$31b2o47b2o$
30b2o44bo4b2o$31b2o44b2o3b3o$32b3o41b2o6bo$34bo49bo$27b2o5bo$28b2o$27b
o2$221bo$222bo$220b3o$170b2o$169b2o$18bo151b2o$18b2o151b3o$17bobo153bo
$173bo$229b3o$229bo$229b2o3$173b2o$173bobo$173bo10$205b3o$207bo$206bo
7$194b2o$194bobo$194bo4$245b3o$245bo$246bo!

But I think it is not easy to construct the oscillators from it, but at least something p38.
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Re: Oscillator Discussion Thread

Postby Extrementhusiast » November 21st, 2018, 5:23 pm

2718281828 wrote:Some R-based glider supported oscillating pattern (at least not listed in jslife osc-supported):
RLE

But I think it is not easy to construct the oscillators from it, but at least something p38.


I actually posted the first of these over nine years ago. (Golly, has it been that long already?)
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Re: Oscillator Discussion Thread

Postby wwei23 » November 21st, 2018, 6:02 pm

2718281828 wrote:A narrow (9 cell width) p5 t-nosed oscillator:
x = 9, y = 78, rule = B3/S23
4bo$2o2bo$o2b3o$b2o$2bo3bo$2bob3o$3bob2o$7b2o$b4o2b2o$o3bo$4o$5b2o$4ob
ob2o$o4bob2o$b5o$5bo$b3ob2o$o2bo2bo$o5bo$b5obo$6bo$b5obo$o$3ob2o$5bo$
4ob3o$o3bo3bo$2bo4bo$b6o$6b2o$3b3obo$3bo2b2o$6b2o$b5ob2o$o6b2o$obo$b2o
b2ob2o$4b5o$b2o$2bob2o$2bo2bo2bo$2obo3bo$bobo2bo$o2b5o$b2o4bo$3bob2o$
3bob2o$2obo2bo$bobo$bobobobo$2obob2o$bo2bo$bo3bo$2b2obo$6bo$4b2o$4b2o$
2o3bo$obo$b3obobo$3bobob2o$3bobob2o$3bobo$3b2o$o$5o$5bo$2b4ob2o$2bo2bo
b2o$3bobobo$2b2ob2o$o2bobobo$2o3bob2o$4b2ob2o$3bobo$2bobo$2bo$b2o!

Not sure, if it is known and useful.

Here's a double variant, so you can hassle two things at a time!
x = 9, y = 141, rule = B3/S23
4bo$2o2bo$o2b3o$b2o$2bo3bo$2bob3o$3bob2o$7b2o$b4o2b2o$o3bo$4o$5b2o$4ob
ob2o$o4bob2o$b5o$5bo$b3ob2o$o2bo2bo$o5bo$b5obo$6bo$b5obo$o$3ob2o$5bo$
4ob3o$o3bo3bo$2bo4bo$b6o$6b2o$3b3obo$3bo2b2o$6b2o$b5ob2o$o6b2o$obo$b2o
b2ob2o$4b5o$b2o$2bob2o$2bo2bo2bo$2obo3bo$bobo2bo$o2b5o$b2o4bo$3bob2o$
3bob2o$2obo2bo$bobo$bobobobo$2obob2o$bo2bo$bo3bo$2b2obo$6bo$4b2o$4b2o$
2o3bo$obo$b3obobo$3bobob2o$3bobob2o$3bobo$3b2o$o$5o$5bo$2b4ob2o$2bo2bo
b2o$3bobobo$2b2ob2o$3bobobo$2bo2bob2o$2b4ob2o$5bo$5o$o$3b2o$3bobo$3bob
ob2o$3bobob2o$b3obobo$obo$2o3bo$4b2o$4b2o$6bo$2b2obo$bo3bo$bo2bo$2obob
2o$bobobobo$bobo$2obo2bo$3bob2o$3bob2o$b2o4bo$o2b5o$bobo2bo$2obo3bo$2b
o2bo2bo$2bob2o$b2o$4b5o$b2ob2ob2o$obo$o6b2o$b5ob2o$6b2o$3bo2b2o$3b3obo
$6b2o$b6o$2bo4bo$o3bo3bo$4ob3o$5bo$3ob2o$o$b5obo$6bo$b5obo$o5bo$o2bo2b
o$b3ob2o$5bo$b5o$o4bob2o$4obob2o$5b2o$4o$o3bo$b4o2b2o$7b2o$3bob2o$2bob
3o$2bo3bo$b2o$o2b3o$2o2bo$4bo!
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Re: Oscillator Discussion Thread

Postby 2718281828 » November 25th, 2018, 4:36 am

A non-trivial p92 with population 50 (tie with the optimum):
x = 32, y = 34, rule = B3/S23
22b2o5b2o$22b2o5b2o16$21b2obo3bob2o$21bo2bo3bo2bo$22b3o3b3o6$2o14b3o$
2o12bo3bo$13bo4bo$13bo3bo2$13bo3bo$13bo4bo$2o12bo3bo$2o14b3o!

It should allow a large p92 with volatility 1 (but not strict).
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Re: Oscillator Discussion Thread

Postby 2718281828 » November 25th, 2018, 7:25 pm

It works, 4302p92. A p92 with volatility 1:
x = 636, y = 634, rule = b3/s23
319b2o$318b5o$318bo4bo$318b3o2bo$319bo2b2o$301b3o16b2o$301b3o$301b3o
16b2o$303bo15bo2b2o$297b2o5bo3b2o8b3o2bo$297bo3bobo4b2o8bo4bo$298bo3bo
15b5o$319b2o6b3o3b3o$327bo2bobo2bo$326bo3bobo3bo$326b4o3b4o$327bo7bo6$
299b3o5b3o$299b3o5b3o$300b2o5b2o$302bo3bo17bo$300bo2bobo2bo14bobo28b2o
$299bo3bobo3bo12bo5b2o24b2o$280b2o12b2obo2bo2bobo2bo14bob2obob2o14b2o$
279b3o7b3o2b2o2bob3o3b3o15bo4b3o14bobo$279b2obo7b2o6bo32b2o15bo$277b2o
12b3o3b2o34b2o11b3o7b2o$292bo3bo7b2o25bo2b3o18b2obo$303bo2bo24b2o3bo
18bo2bo$292bo3bo6bo2bo24b3o2bo18b3o$291b3o3b2o2bob3o27b3o10b3o7b2o$
275bo14b2o6b3ob2o44bo$274bo14b3o2b2o2b2o3bo42bobo$276bo17b2obo48b2o$
272bo3bo23b2o$272bobo$354b3o3b3o$354bo2bobo2bo$354bo7bo2$355bo5bo$356b
2ob2o2$273b2o5b2o$272bo2bo3bo2bo$275b2ob2o$274bobobobo$274bobobobo$
272bo9bo71bo4bo$271bo11bo$273bobo83bo8bo3bo$249bo12b4o4b2obob2ob2o74b
2o6b2o3bo5bo$248bobo11bob2o4bo2bob2obo2bo72bo2bo4b2o9bo$246b5o11bo6bo
3b2o4b3o72bob2o10bo3b2o$246b4ob2o10b2o5bobo82b2o12b3o$249b2obo$250b2o
11b2o5b2o97b3o$262bo7bob2o84bo2b2o5bo3b2o$243b2o9bo7bob2o7bo83bob2o2bo
9bo$243b2o9bo7b4o5b3o84b2o2bo4bo5bo$359b3o6bo3bo5$381b3o3b3o$380bo3bob
o3bo$379bo3b2ob2o3bo$379bob2o5b2obo$246b3o3b3o126bo7bo$246b3o3b3o$245b
ob2o3b2obo$245bob2o3b2obo$246b2o5b2o$247bo5bo126bo$379bob2o25b2o$236bo
140bo4bo25b2o$235b2o140bo5bo11b3o$234b3obo138bo3bob2o8bo4bo14b2o$233b
2o15b2ob2o123b2o3b2o8bo5bo12bo$234b2o12bo2bo3bo130b2o10bo$235bo12b2o2b
3o131bo9b2o13bo4bo$252bobo133bo22bo3bo$235bo10bo5b2o129bob4o7b2o13bo$
234b2o10b2o3b2o130bo2bobo9bo13b2o$233b2o9bo138bo9bo5bo$234b3obo4b4obo
136b2obo4bo4bo$235b2o5bo2bo140b2o7b3o$236bo6bob3o$244b3o$245bo3$409bo
5bo$220bo5bo181b3o3b3o$219b3o3b3o179bo3bobo3bo$218b2o2bobo2b2o178bo9bo
$217bob4ob4obo178b3o3b3o$219b3o3b3o$218b3o5b3o2$414b2o$410b3ob4o$411bo
2b4o$219b2o186b2ob2o2bo3bo$205b2o12b2o4b3o180bobo2b4o3bo2b2o7b2o$204b
2o20b2o181bo4bo6b2obo$205b5o18bo185bo2bo5bo9b3o$206b4o6b2o7bo2bo186bob
o3b3o$195b2o19b3o6bobo$194bo2bo8b4o7b4o5bo188b2o4b3o17bo$194b2ob2o6b5o
7bobob2o191bobo6bo17bo2bo$189b2o5bo7b2o10b4o2bo190b2o6b2obo$189b2o14b
2o9b2o2b2o192b2o4bo2b2o19bo$443bo5$193bo5bo$192b3o3b3o$191b2obo3bob2o
233b2o5b2o$434bo2bo3bo2bo$435bo2bobo2bo$194bo3bo239bobo$194bo3bo237b3o
b3o$434b3o5b3o$434b2o7b2o$434b2o7b2o$435bob2ob2obo18b2o$434bo2bo3b4o
18bo$177b2o17b2o236bo10bo2bobo$176bobo16b2obo235b4o5b3obo3bo14bo$175b
2obo16bo2bo237b2o4b2o6bo14bobo$176b2o16bo2bo237bo7bob5o11b3o4bo$177bo
16bob2o237bo2b2o4b3o15b3o2bo$192bo3bo243bo22b4o$177bo13b2o244bo2bo3b3o
$176b2o12bo247b2o3bob5o$175b2obo12bo3bo246b2o6bo$176bobo12bo2bo248b3ob
o3bo10b2o$177b2o265b2o2bobo11b2o$189b3o$189bobo$166bo5bo16b3o$165b3o3b
3o$164b2o2bobo2b2o$164bo3bobo3bo$164bob2o3b2obo$164b2o7b2o287bo7bo$
460b2ob2o3b2ob2o2$463bobobobo$461bo3bobo3bo$461bo2b2ob2o2bo15bo$462b3o
3b3o15b3o$463bo5bo15b2ob2o$152bo334b3o$148b2o2bo12b2o306b4o10bo$147bo
5bo11b2o305b2o2bo10b2o$146b2o2bobo318b2o2bo11b2o$142bo4b2o3bo319bo2bo
11bobo$140b2obo4b3o21bo300b2o12bo5bo$140b2obo23bo320bob3obo$142bo5b3o
14b2o2bo303b2o15bo$137b3o7b2o3bo12b2o2b2o301bo2bo14b2o3bo$135b5o6b2o2b
obo12bo3bo301b2o2bo15b3ob2o$138b2o7bo5bo13bo304b2o2bo18bo$148b2o2bo11b
o308b4o15b3o$139bo5bo6bo11bo2bo325bo$138b3o3b3o18b2o$137b2o2bobo2b2o$
137b2ob2ob2ob2o$140b2ob2o$138bobo3bobo$137bo2bo3bo2bo$140bo3bo$137bobo
5bobo$138bo7bo341b3o5b3o$488bo2b2ob2o2bo$489b3o3b3o$490bo5bo4$120b3o3b
o12bo2bo2bo356bo14bo$118b5o2bobo11bo4bobo339b2o5bo7b2o13b3o$117b2o3b2o
3bo18b2o338b2o3b2ob2o4b2o14bo2bo$118b2o3bo2bo364bo9b2o2b2o12bo$119bo3b
3o18b2o345bo3bo21b3o3bo$137bo5bo348b3o27bo2bo$119bo3b3o10bo2bo382bo2bo
$118b2o3bo2bo10bobo361b2o2b2o15b2ob2o$117bo2bob2o3bo8b3o361b2o20bo2bo$
112bo5b5o2bobo7b2o364b2o13b2o4bobo$111b3o3bo4bo3bo8b2o365bo13b2o5bo$
111bo2bob3ob2o$113b2ob3o4$111bo7bo398b2ob2o$112bobobobo399b2ob2o$112bo
bobobo399b2ob2o$111bob2ob2obo396bob2ob2obo$111b2o5b2o396b3o3b3o$517bo
5bo2$542bo$542b2o$541b2obo$532bo$98b2o11b2o418bo2bo4b2o$89b3o5bo2bo
429b5o4b3o$87bob3o5bo2b2o9bo3bo413b2ob3o5b2o2bo4bo$85b3o9bo2bo15bo413b
ob2o7b2obo4bo$90b2o7bo13bo2bo414b2o9bobo3bobo$91bo22b2ob2o425b2ob6o$
89bo9bo16bo2bo411b2o12b2ob5o$84bo4b2o6bo2bo18bo410bob2o11bo6bo$82b5o
10bo2b2o14b2o411b2ob3o12b3o$81bo2bobo10bo2bo15bo413b5o13bo$80bo5bo11b
2o431bo2bo$81bob2o26b2o419bo$82b3o26b2o2$543bo7bo2$84b2o5b2o448b3o7b3o
$542b2ob2ob2ob2o$83bo9bo449b3o3b3o$83bo3bobo3bo450bo5bo$83bo3bobo3bo$
84bobo3bobo$85bo5bo4$72b2o$62b2o10bo485b2o7b2o$61bo2bo6b2o2bo464b2o16b
2o2bo6b2o$61b2ob2o6bo2bo464b2o16b6o4bo2bo$61b2o2bo7bobo471bo10b4o5bob
2o$64bo8b2o472b2o17b2ob2o$547bobo17bobo$58bo14b2o468b2o21bo3bo5b3o$58b
2o13bobo482b4o4bo5bo3bobo$57bobo5b2o5bo2bo482b6o8bob2o2bo$58b2o5b2o4b
2o2bo482b2o2bo8b3ob2o$60bo13bo485b2o5bo$57bo2b2o10b2o494bo$57b2o3b2o2$
570b2o5b2o$570b2obobob2o$570bo2bobo2bo$57bo7bo504b3o3b3o$56bo2bo3bo2bo
$60bobo$60bobo$60bobo$56bo2bo3bo2bo$57b3o3b3o2$571bo$592bo3bo$572b2o
13bo3bo3b4o$48b3o535bo7b2o3bo$32bo13bo3bo535bo2b2o4bo$32bo4b2o6bo4bo
536b2o5b6o$36bo2bo5bo3bo8b3o527b3o3b2o3bob3o$35b2ob2o21bo538bo2bo$32b
2obobo7bo3bo8bo2bo526b3o3b2o5b2o$31b5o9bo4bo8b2o526b2o5b2o$30b3o13bo3b
o535bo2b2o6b3o3b3o$27bo2b2o2b2o12b3o535bo8bobobo3bo2bo$27bo3bobo553bo
3bo3bo4bobo$26bobo4bo23b2o533bo3b2o7b2o$27bo29b2o537b2o7b2o$27bo571bo
3bo$599b2ob2o$597b3o3b3o$597b2o5b2o$597bo7bo6$29b2obo3bob2o$29bo2bo3bo
2bo$30b3o3b3o2$22b2o575b2o13b2o3bo$7b2o12b2ob2o568b2o2bo2bo3b2o7b3obob
2o$22bo2bo568b2o9b2o7b3o4bo$9bo12bo2bo576bo14bo3bo$5bo17b2o576b2o15b3o
$3b3o591b5o$bo4bo16b2o573b3o17b3o$bob2o17bo2bo573bo17bo3bo$2ob5o3b2o9b
o2bo588b3o4bo$b2o8b2o8b2ob2o588b3obob2o$2bo19b2o590b2o3bo4b3o3b3o$623b
o2bo3bo2bo$623bo3bobo3bo$622b2obobobobob2o$622b2ob2o3b2ob2o$623b3o5b3o
7$2b3o5b3o$b2ob2o3b2ob2o$b2obobobobob2o$2bo3bobo3bo$2bo2bo3bo2bo$3b3o
3b3o4bo3b2o590b2o19bo$14b2obob3o588b2ob2o8b2o8b2o$14bo4b3o588bo2bo9b2o
3b5ob2o$14bo3bo17bo573bo2bo17b2obo$15b3o17b3o573b2o16bo4bo$34b5o591b3o
$15b3o15b2o576b2o17bo$14bo3bo14bo576bo2bo12bo$14bo4b3o7b2o9b2o568bo2bo
$14b2obob3o7b2o3bo2bo2b2o568b2ob2o12b2o$16bo3b2o13b2o575b2o2$597b3o3b
3o$596bo2bo3bo2bo$596b2obo3bob2o6$30bo7bo$30b2o5b2o$30b3o3b3o$32b2ob2o
$32bo3bo571bo$29b2o7b2o537b2o29bo$29b2o7b2o3bo533b2o23bo4bobo$33bobo4b
o3bo3bo553bobo3bo$29bo2bo3bobobo8bo535b3o12b2o2b2o2bo$30b3o3b3o6b2o2bo
535bo3bo13b3o$40b2o5b2o526b2o8bo4bo9b5o$33b2o5b2o3b3o526bo2bo8bo3bo7bo
bob2o$32bo2bo538bo21b2ob2o$32b3obo3b2o3b3o527b3o8bo3bo5bo2bo$36b6o5b2o
536bo4bo6b2o4bo$40bo4b2o2bo535bo3bo13bo$36bo3b2o7bo535b3o$37b4o3bo3bo
13b2o$39bo3bo$64bo2$570b3o3b3o$569bo2bo3bo2bo$573bobo$573bobo$573bobo$
569bo2bo3bo2bo$57b3o3b3o504bo7bo$57bo2bobo2bo$57b2obobob2o$57b2o5b2o2$
572b2o3b2o$67bo494b2o10b2o2bo$68bo5b2o485bo13bo$59b2ob3o8bo2b2o482bo2b
2o4b2o5b2o$57bo2b2obo8b6o482bo2bo5b2o5bobo$57bobo3bo5bo4b4o482bobo13b
2o$57b3o5bo3bo21b2o468b2o14bo$66bobo17bobo$65b2ob2o17b2o472b2o8bo$65b
2obo5b4o10bo471bobo7bo2b2o$64bo2bo4b6o16b2o464bo2bo6b2ob2o$65b2o6bo2b
2o16b2o464bo2b2o6bo2bo$65b2o7b2o485bo10b2o$562b2o4$544bo5bo$543bobo3bo
bo$542bo3bobo3bo$85bo5bo450bo3bobo3bo$84b3o3b3o449bo9bo$83b2ob2ob2ob2o
$82b3o7b3o448b2o5b2o2$84bo7bo2$523b2o26b3o$103bo419b2o26b2obo$101bo2bo
431b2o11bo5bo$87bo13b5o413bo15bo2bo10bobo2bo$86b3o12b3ob2o411b2o14b2o
2bo10b5o$83bo6bo11b2obo410bo18bo2bo6b2o4bo$83b5ob2o12b2o411bo2bo16bo9b
o$83b6ob2o425b2ob2o22bo$85bobo3bobo9b2o414bo2bo13bo7b2o$86bo4bob2o7b2o
bo413bo15bo2bo9b3o$86bo4bo2b2o5b3ob2o413bo3bo9b2o2bo5b3obo$94b3o4b5o
429bo2bo5b3o$95b2o4bo2bo418b2o11b2o$103bo$91bob2o$92b2o$93bo2$112bo5bo
$111b3o3b3o396b2o5b2o$111bob2ob2obo396bob2ob2obo$113b2ob2o399bobobobo$
113b2ob2o399bobobobo$113b2ob2o398bo7bo4$517b3ob2o$514b2ob3obo2bo$112bo
5b2o13bo365b2o8bo3bo4bo3b3o$111bobo4b2o13b2o364b2o7bobo2b5o5bo$110bo2b
o20b2o361b3o8bo3b2obo2bo$109b2ob2o15b2o2b2o361bobo10bo2bo3b2o$110bo2bo
382bo2bo10b3o3bo$110bo2bo27b3o348bo5bo$112bo3b3o21bo3bo345b2o18b3o3bo$
116bo12b2o2b2o9bo364bo2bo3b2o$116bo2bo14b2o4b2ob2o3b2o338b2o18bo3b2o3b
2o$117b3o13b2o7bo5b2o339bobo4bo11bobo2b5o$118bo14bo356bo2bo2bo12bo3b3o
4$139bo5bo$138b3o3b3o$137bo2b2ob2o2bo$137b3o5b3o341bo7bo$488bobo5bobo$
491bo3bo$488bo2bo3bo2bo$489bobo3bobo$491b2ob2o$488b2ob2ob2ob2o$488b2o
2bobo2b2o$469b2o18b3o3b3o$142bo325bo2bo11bo6bo5bo$141b3o15b4o308bo11bo
2b2o$140bo18bo2b2o304bo13bo5bo7b2o$139b2ob3o15bo2b2o301bo3bo12bobo2b2o
6b5o$140bo3b2o14bo2bo301b2o2b2o12bo3b2o7b3o$145bo15b2o303bo2b2o14b3o5b
o$141bob3obo320bo23bob2o$142bo5bo12b2o300bo21b3o4bob2o$146bobo11bo2bo
319bo3b2o4bo$147b2o11bo2b2o318bobo2b2o$147b2o10bo2b2o305b2o11bo5bo$
148bo10b4o306b2o12bo2b2o$146b3o334bo$146b2ob2o15bo5bo$147b3o15b3o3b3o$
148bo15bo2b2ob2o2bo$164bo3bobo3bo$166bobobobo2$163b2ob2o3b2ob2o$165bo
7bo287b2o7b2o$461bob2o3b2obo$461bo3bobo3bo$461b2o2bobo2b2o$462b3o3b3o$
444b3o16bo5bo$444bobo$444b3o$172b2o11bobo2b2o265b2o$172b2o10bo3bob3o
248bo2bo12bobo$185bo6b2o246bo3bo12bob2o$186b5obo3b2o247bo12b2o$189b3o
3bo2bo244b2o13bo$169b4o22bo243bo3bo$168bo2b3o15b3o4b2o2bo237b2obo16bo$
167bo4b3o11b5obo7bo237bo2bo16b2o$168bobo14bo6b2o4b2o237bo2bo16bob2o$
169bo14bo3bob3o5b4o235bob2o16bobo$185bobo2bo10bo236b2o17b2o$172bo18b4o
3bo2bo$172b2o18bob2ob2obo$191b2o7b2o$191b2o7b2o$191b3o5b3o$193b3ob3o
237bo3bo$195bobo239bo3bo$192bo2bobo2bo$191bo2bo3bo2bo$192b2o5b2o233b2o
bo3bob2o$435b3o3b3o$436bo5bo5$192bo$191bo19b2o2bo4b2o192b2o2b2o9b2o14b
2o$211bob2o6b2o190bo2b4o10b2o7bo5b2o$191bo2bo17bo6bobo191b2obobo7b5o6b
2ob2o$194bo17b3o4b2o188bo5b4o7b4o8bo2bo$408bobo6b3o19b2o$212b3o3bobo
186bo2bo7b2o6b4o$200b3o9bo5bo2bo185bo18b5o$211bob2o6bo4bo181b2o20b2o$
202b2o7b2o2bo3b4o2bobo180b3o4b2o12b2o$217bo3bo2b2ob2o186b2o$218b4o2bo$
218b4ob3o$220b2o2$407b3o5b3o$408b3o3b3o$219b3o3b3o178bob4ob4obo$218bo
9bo178b2o2bobo2b2o$218bo3bobo3bo179b3o3b3o$219b3o3b3o181bo5bo$220bo5bo
3$390bo$389b3o$388b3obo6bo$238b3o7b2o140bo2bo5b2o$237bo4bo4bob2o136bob
4o4bob3o$236bo5bo9bo138bo9b2o$222b2o13bo9bobo2bo130b2o3b2o10b2o$224bo
13b2o7b4obo129b2o5bo10bo$220bo3bo22bo133bobo$219bo4bo13b2o9bo131b3o2b
2o12bo$237bo10b2o130bo3bo2bo12b2o$223bo12bo5bo8b2o3b2o123b2ob2o15b2o$
221b2o14bo4bo8b2obo3bo138bob3o$238b3o11bo5bo140b2o$226b2o25bo4bo140bo$
226b2o25b2obo$255bo126bo5bo$381b2o5b2o$380bob2o3b2obo$380bob2o3b2obo$
381b3o3b3o$246bo7bo126b3o3b3o$244bob2o5b2obo$244bo3b2ob2o3bo$245bo3bob
o3bo$246b3o3b3o5$263bo3bo6b3o$262bo5bo4bo2b2o84b3o5b4o7bo9b2o$262bo9bo
2b2obo83bo7b2obo7bo9b2o$262b2o3bo5b2o2bo84b2obo7bo$264b3o97b2o5b2o11b
2o$383bob2o$264b3o12b2o82bobo5b2o10b2ob4o$262b2o3bo10b2obo72b3o4b2o3bo
6bo11b5o$262bo9b2o4bo2bo72bo2bob2obo2bo4b2obo11bobo$262bo5bo3b2o6b2o
74b2ob2obob2o4b4o12bo$263bo3bo8bo83bobo$352bo11bo$276bo4bo71bo9bo$355b
obobobo$355bobobobo$356b2ob2o$353bo2bo3bo2bo$354b2o5b2o2$275b2ob2o$
274bo5bo2$273bo7bo$273bo2bobo2bo$273b3o3b3o$361bobo$334b2o23bo3bo$288b
2o48bob2o17bo$287bobo42bo3b2o2b2o2b3o14bo$287bo44b2ob3o6b2o14bo$278b2o
7b3o10b3o27b3obo2b2o3b3o$278b3o18bo2b3o24bo2bo6bo3bo$277bo2bo18bo3b2o
24bo2bo$277bob2o18b3o2bo25b2o7bo3bo$278b2o7b3o11b2o34b2o3b3o12b2o$287b
o15b2o32bo6b2o7bob2o$287bobo14b3o4bo15b3o3b3obo2b2o2b3o7b3o$288b2o14b
2obob2obo14bo2bobo2bo2bob2o12b2o$280b2o24b2o5bo12bo3bobo3bo$280b2o28bo
bo14bo2bobo2bo$311bo17bo3bo$327b2o5b2o$326b3o5b3o$326b3o5b3o6$300bo7bo
$299b4o3b4o$299bo3bobo3bo$300bo2bobo2bo$300b3o3b3o6b2o$313b5o15bo3bo$
312bo4bo8b2o4bobo3bo$312bo2b3o8b2o3bo5b2o$312b2o2bo15bo$314b2o16b3o$
332b3o$314b2o16b3o$312b2o2bo$312bo2b3o$312bo4bo$313b5o$315b2o!
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Re: Oscillator Discussion Thread

Postby danny » November 26th, 2018, 12:48 am

2718281828 wrote:It works, 4302p92. A p92 with volatility 1

Is there any reason this wouldn't work? 136p92
x = 59, y = 55, rule = B3/S23
15b2o25b2o$14bobo25bobo$14bo29bo$14b3o25b3o4$14b3o25b3o$14bo29bo$14bob
o25bobo$15b2o25b2o3$3o3b3o41b3o3b3o$o2bobo2bo41bo2bobo2bo$o7bo41bo7bo
2$bo5bo43bo5bo$2b2ob2o45b2ob2o18$2b2ob2o45b2ob2o$bo5bo43bo5bo2$o7bo41b
o7bo$o2bobo2bo41bo2bobo2bo$3o3b3o41b3o3b3o3$15b2o25b2o$14bobo25bobo$
14bo29bo$14b3o25b3o4$14b3o25b3o$14bo29bo$14bobo25bobo$15b2o25b2o!


It's even probably reducable...
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Re: Oscillator Discussion Thread

Postby Entity Valkyrie » November 26th, 2018, 1:08 am

138p92 containing only 4 engines:

x = 43, y = 37, rule = B3/S23
9b2o$9b2o$17b2o13b3o$16bobo13bobo$16bo15bo2bo$7b2o7b3o14bob2o$6bob2o
24b2o$6bo2bo24bo3b3o$7b3o27b2o2bo$7b2o7b3o18b3ob2o$16bo20b2o2b2o$16bob
o13b2o4bobo$17b2o13b2o5bo3$2b3o3b3o$2bo2bobo2bo$2bo7bo$34b2ob2o$3bo5bo
23bo5bo$4b2ob2o$32bo7bo$32bo2bobo2bo$32b3o3b3o3$3bo5b2o13b2o$2bobo4b2o
13bobo$2o2b2o20bo$2ob3o18b3o$bo2b2o$2b3o3bo$7b2o$6b2obo14b3o$7bo2bo15b
o$8bobo13bobo$8b3o13b2o!
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Re: Oscillator Discussion Thread

Postby Sokwe » November 26th, 2018, 2:34 am

2718281828 wrote:A non-trivial p92 with population 50 (tie with the optimum):
x = 32, y = 34, rule = B3/S23
22b2o5b2o$22b2o5b2o16$21b2obo3bob2o$21bo2bo3bo2bo$22b3o3b3o6$2o14b3o$
2o12bo3bo$13bo4bo$13bo3bo2$13bo3bo$13bo4bo$2o12bo3bo$2o14b3o!

It should allow a large p92 with volatility 1 (but not strict).

This was found by Ivan Fomichev a few years back.
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Re: Oscillator Discussion Thread

Postby muzik » November 27th, 2018, 8:13 am

I've looked through several pattern collections and have yet to see a stabilisation fr this wick:
x = 59, y = 3, rule = B3/S23
b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o$o3bo3bo3bo
3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo$b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o
2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o!
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Re: Oscillator Discussion Thread

Postby muzik » December 4th, 2018, 11:13 am

I'm gonna assume this is known?
x = 13, y = 15, rule = B3/S23
3bo$3bo$3b2o2$4bo3b3o$2b3o$o4bobo4bo$o4bobo4bo$o4bobo4bo$8b3o$2b3o3bo
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Re: Oscillator Discussion Thread

Postby mniemiec » December 4th, 2018, 6:32 pm

Yes. My notes tell me that A for Awesome reported ths cis version in a soup on 2016-03-19 from which chris_c developed a 16 glider synthesis on the same day (although I can't find either post). This trans version was an obvious derivative.
https://catagolue.appspot.com/object/xp3_co9nac0can9oczwhhg505ghh/b3s23
Also, I see several 256x1 soups shown that claim to make this, but don't.
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Re: Oscillator Discussion Thread

Postby calcyman » December 4th, 2018, 9:27 pm

mniemiec wrote:Yes. My notes tell me that A for Awesome reported ths cis version in a soup on 2016-03-19 from which chris_c developed a 16 glider synthesis on the same day (although I can't find either post). This trans version was an obvious derivative.
https://catagolue.appspot.com/object/xp3_co9nac0can9oczwhhg505ghh/b3s23
Also, I see several 256x1 soups shown that claim to make this, but don't.


Thanks for noticing that; when I altered /hashsoup to work for hexagonal rules, it broke the 8x32, 4x64, 2x128 and 1x256 symmetries. I've now repaired that, and the soups produce what they claim:

x = 253, y = 1, rule = B3/S23
3o3bobobob4o2b3o2bobob4o7b2o3bob4ob4ob2o5b3obo3bobob3ob2obobobo3b2o3b
2ob3o2b5o3b4o2b11o2bob3o2bob2ob2ob2obo5bobo2bobo2bob2obob3o2bobobo2b7o
b3o2bo9bo2b2ob3o2bo4b3o3bo2b2o3b4o3b4o5b2o!
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Re: Oscillator Discussion Thread

Postby Sokwe » December 4th, 2018, 11:20 pm

muzik wrote:I'm gonna assume this is known?
x = 13, y = 15, rule = B3/S23
3bo$3bo$3b2o2$4bo3b3o$2b3o$o4bobo4bo$o4bobo4bo$o4bobo4bo$8b3o$2b3o3bo
2$8b2o$9bo$9bo!

mniemiec wrote:Yes. My notes tell me that A for Awesome reported ths cis version in a soup on 2016-03-19

I seem to recall that this oscillator and its relatives were originally found by Nicolay Beluchenko, although I can't confirm that at the moment.
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Re: Oscillator Discussion Thread

Postby Scorbie » December 7th, 2018, 9:09 pm

Short 'n wide version of the previous durable p4 sparkers;
left half: original // right half: short & wide.
x = 28, y = 51, rule = B3/S23
8bo2bo2$7bo4bo$6bob4obo6b2o$3b2o2bo4bo2b2o2bo2bob2o$6bobo2bobo3bo4bobo
2bo$3bo4b4o4b4o2bo3b2o$3bob2o6b2ob3o4bo$b2o4b6o8bo$ob2ob2o6b4o3bo3b2o$
2obo2bo2b2o2bo2bo3b2obo$3b2o4b2o$4o2bo$o4bobo$b3obo$3bobob2o$5bo$5b2o
13$10bo$8bo3bo2$7bo5bo$6bob5obo$3b2o2bo5bo2b2o$5bob3ob3obo$3bo2b2obobo
b2o2b3obo$4bo4bobo4bob2obo$2o5b3ob3o4b2o2bo$o3b2o9b2o4b2o$b3o3b7o3b4o
2bo$3bobobo2bo2bobobo3b2o$3b4o7b2obob2o$4bo13bobo$b2ob5o$8bo$4b2o$5bo$
4bo$4b2o!
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Re: Oscillator Discussion Thread

Postby cvojan » December 9th, 2018, 5:33 pm

I wonder if this P4 could have a use:
x = 10, y = 46, rule = B3/S23
3bo2bo$3b4o$b2o4b2o$o2b4o2bo$2obo2bob2o$bo6bo$bo6bo$2b6o$3b4o$3bo2bo$
2b2o2b2o$bob4obo$bo6bo$2obo2bob2o$3bo2bo$2b2o2b2o$2b2o2b2o$4b2o$2b2o2b
2o$4b2o$4o2b4o$4b2o$o2bo2bo2bo$o2bo2bo2bo$bo2b2o2bo$b3o2b3o$4b2o$3bo2b
o$3b4o$3bo2bo$2bo4bo$4o2b4o$2obo2bob2o$bobo2bobo$3b4o$4b2o3$2b6o$bob4o
bo$bobo2bobo$2obo2bob2o$o2b4o2bo$b2o4b2o$3b4o$3bo2bo!
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Re: Oscillator Discussion Thread

Postby danny » December 9th, 2018, 8:08 pm

cvojan wrote:I wonder if this P4 could have a use:


I see a smaller p4 in that:
x = 10, y = 12, rule = B3/S23
4b2o$3bo2bo$3bo2bo2$2bo4bo$bob4obo$bo6bo$2obo2bob2o$o2b4o2bo$b2o4b2o$
3b4o$3bo2bo!
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Re: Oscillator Discussion Thread

Postby 2718281828 » December 12th, 2018, 3:14 am

A special p5 sparker:
x = 23, y = 28, rule = B3/S23
10b3o$10b3o$5b2ob2obob2ob2o$5bo4bobo4bo$3bobo11bobo$2bobob3o5b3obobo$
2bobo3b2o3b2o3bobo$3bob2o2b2ob2o2b2obo$5bo4bobo4bo$5bo11bo$3bob2o4bo4b
2obo$2bobo3b7o3bobo$2bobob2obo3bob2obobo$3bobo3b2ob2o3bobo$5bobob2ob2o
bobo$5bobobo3bobobo$2b2obobobo3bobobob2o$3bobo2b2o3b2o2bobo$3bobo2bobo
bobo2bobo$2b2ob2o3bobo3b2ob2o$5bo3bo3bo3bo$2b2ob3ob5ob3ob2o$2bo2bo2bo
5bo2bo2bo$obo2bobob5obobo2bobo$2o4b2obo3bob2o4b2o$12bo$11bo$11b2o!

It might be known but this type of sparker seems to be not listed jslife.

Of course it is a long way, but for p11+ it might allow guns together with some high-period '(pre)block-sparker'
x = 13, y = 5, rule = B3/S23
2bo9bo$2b2o7b2o2$bo8bo$obo6bobo!
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Re: Oscillator Discussion Thread

Postby BlinkerSpawn » December 12th, 2018, 9:20 am

2718281828 wrote:Of course it is a long way, but for p11+ it might allow guns together with some high-period '(pre)block-sparker'
x = 13, y = 5, rule = B3/S23
2bo9bo$2b2o7b2o2$bo8bo$obo6bobo!

It's definitely an idea, but do notice that the repeat times are 16 and 15, respectively.
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Re: Oscillator Discussion Thread

Postby 2718281828 » December 12th, 2018, 1:58 pm

BlinkerSpawn wrote:
2718281828 wrote:Of course it is a long way, but for p11+ it might allow guns together with some high-period '(pre)block-sparker'
x = 13, y = 5, rule = B3/S23
2bo9bo$2b2o7b2o2$bo8bo$obo6bobo!

It's definitely an idea, but do notice that the repeat times are 16 and 15, respectively.

Yes, this is the repeat time of the full reaction (and obliviously there is no gun at p11). The spark can reappear after 11 generation. Thus it would to have e.g. a p11 sparker and a p22 'blocklayer' to get a gun. I wanted to point out that it would not work to take a p10 sparker with a p20 'blocklayer' as the spark would be too close to the glider and destroy it.
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Re: Oscillator Discussion Thread

Postby 2718281828 » December 14th, 2018, 12:18 pm

I did not find a suitable p20 sparker that fits to hassle this 5bit spark:
x = 3, y = 5, rule = B3/S23
2bo2$2o$2o$o!

Still, this reaction is not listed in the jslife osc-supported. But it looks too simple to be not known.

Edit1:
something similar for p24:
x = 5, y = 5, rule = B3/S23
3bo$2bobo$2bo$o2bo$o!
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Re: Oscillator Discussion Thread

Postby 2718281828 » December 14th, 2018, 12:42 pm

Two different p6 hassler of a related spark (and a combination - right), might be known (but is not in jslife):
x = 83, y = 58, rule = B3/S23
4$69b2o$12b2o25b2o22bob2obobo$6bob2obobo19bob2obobo22b2obobo$6b2obobo
21b2obobo29b2o$11b2o25b2o27b2o$10b2o25b2o30bo3bo2b2o$12bo3bo2b2o18bo3b
o2b2o21bo2bobo2bo$12bo2bobo2bo18bo2bobo2bo20bo2bo2bobo$11bo2bo2bobo18b
o2bo2bobo22bo2bo2bo$12bo2bo2bo20bo2bo2bo17b2o4b3ob2o$6b2o4b3ob2o15b2o
4b3ob2o18bobo4bo$6bobo4bo19bobo4bo24bo3b2ob3o2bo$8bo3b2ob3o2bo14bo3b2o
b3o2bo17b2o2b2o3b4o$8b2o2b2o3b4o14b2o2b2o3b4o20bobobo$11bobobo22bobobo
20b8ob4o$6b8ob4o14b8ob4o16bo12bo$5bo12bo13bo12bo17b3ob4ob3o$6b3ob4ob3o
15b3ob4ob3o20b8o$8b8o19b8o3$68b2o$11b2o26b2o29bo$13bo27bo26b2o$11b2o
26b2o$70b2o$12b2o27b2o25bo4bo$10bo4bo23bo4bo$67bo6bo$9bo6bo21bo6bo19b
3obob2ob3o$7b3obob2ob3o17b3obob2ob3o16bo4bo3bo3bo$6bo4bo3bo3bo15bo4bo
3bo3bo16b5o2b2ob3o$7b5o2b2ob3o16b5o2b2ob3o21bo$12bo28bo25b2o5bob4o$9b
2o5bob4o16b2o5bob4o16bo7b2o2bo$9bo7b2o2bo16bo7b2o2bo14bobo3b3o$7bobo3b
3o20bobo3b3o20b2o4b6o$7b2o4b6o17b2o4b6o22b3o4bo$12b3o4bo21b3o4bo27bobo
$18bobo26bobo23b2obo2bo$15b2obo2bo22b2obo2bo20bo3bo2b2o$13bo3bo2b2o20b
o3bo2b2o18b2o$11b2o27b2o28b2o$12b2o27b2o22b2obobo$7b2obobo23b2obobo23b
ob2obobo$7bob2obobo21bob2obobo27b2o$13b2o27b2o!
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Re: Oscillator Discussion Thread

Postby Bullet51 » December 15th, 2018, 12:31 am

2718281828 wrote:Two different p6 hassler of a related spark (and a combination - right), might be known (but is not in jslife):
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The reaction in the middle is found three years ago.
The reaction in the left is not known to me.
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