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Re: Geminoid Challenge

Postby Extrementhusiast » October 28th, 2013, 7:56 pm

dvgrn wrote:For now I'll call these hypothetical OTTs "BT-Spartan" (Better Than Spartan). The name probably won't stick, but you never know until you try...!


Pseudo-Spartan, perhaps?
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Re: Geminoid Challenge

Postby dvgrn » October 29th, 2013, 7:59 am

Extrementhusiast wrote:
dvgrn wrote:For now I'll call these hypothetical OTTs "BT-Spartan" (Better Than Spartan). The name probably won't stick, but you never know until you try...!

Pseudo-Spartan, perhaps?

Well, but "pseudo-" is already kind of overloaded in Life terminology, with at least three unrelated uses (guns, still-lifes and barber-poles).

I've already used "Spartan++" for regular Spartan objects plus dead spark coils and tubs-with-tails. BT-Spartan potentially adds dozens of objects and closely-spaced constellations that would be really painful to construct separately, or in any other orientation -- there just happens to be a shortcut for one particular slow-salvo direction.

Speaking of slow salvos, here's the lookup table I'm currently using for deciding which eater recipe to build next:

x = 1166, y = 467, rule = LifeHistory
14.A4.3A52.A3.4A52.A4.3A52.A3.4A52.A3.5A51.A3.5A51.A4.3A52.A3.A3.A51.
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3.A3.A50.2A3.A54.2A3.A54.2A3.A3.A50.2A3.A3.A50.2A5.A52.2A6.A51.2A3.A
2.A51.2A3.A$7.3A4.A3.A3.A44.3A4.A3.A3.A44.3A4.A3.A48.3A4.A3.A3.A44.3A
4.A3.A48.3A4.A3.A48.3A4.A3.A48.3A4.A3.A3.A44.3A4.A5.A46.3A4.A6.A45.3A
4.A3.A.A46.3A4.A3.A$6.A3.A3.A3.5A43.A3.A3.A3.4A44.A3.A3.A3.A47.A3.A3.
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A3.A3.A5.A45.A3.A3.A6.A44.A3.A3.A3.2A46.A3.A3.A3.A$6.5A3.A3.A3.A43.5A
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3.A3.A43.A7.A3.A3.A43.A7.A3.A3.A43.A7.A3.A3.A43.A7.A3.A47.A7.A3.A47.A
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2.3A2.A3.A44.4A2.3A2.5A3$15.3B173.4B$13.6B55.2A57.B57.4B2.B53.B3.2B
118.4B58.B54.2A60.2B50.B$13.6B54.BAB56.B2A47.B2.B2.11B51.8B117.6B51.B
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11B2A6B45.10B49.12B2.4B35.17B49.9BA10B$8.21B39.13B46.17B28.15B2D27B
29.14B2.4B36.19B38.28B38.4B2D5B2A7B43.12B47.14B2.4B35.9B2A5B45.2B2.4B
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14B47.19B28.39B31.16B2.4B33.11BDCA8B35.10B2A2B2D15B36.22B38.5B2D8B46.
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3.B117.B300.B3.B52.B3.B57.B56.3B2.B$14.4B.3B52.2A2.B55.3B53.4B.3B54.B
.2B56.4B57.B67.B52.B118.4B.3B49.4B.3B52.B2.3B.3B50.8B56.2B$13.2A9B48.
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42.15B39.18B.4B37.20B38.23B41.21B2A3B38.14B2A41.24B37.13B2A5B37.20B
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20B37.24B41.7B2D12B2A4B37.14B2A41.7B2D16B34.22B35.22B41.23B37.11BA8B
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$5.2B2D19B43.4B.12B3.4B37.15B34.19B.4B35.28B33.7B2DB2A10B37.25B41.27B
35.14B45.25B32.2B2D18B35.2B2D19B43.15B2.5B35.5B2D2B2A11B38.19B$4.25B
42.5B.12B3.4B36.16B33.20B.4B33.30B33.9B2A11B36.26B42.26B33.15B47.24B
30.24B33.25B42.15B3.5B34.23B37.20B$5.4B2A19B42.18B3.4B35.5B2A10B31.
22B.4B32.31B33.22B37.25B42.3B.22B32.2B2A11B48.3B.12B2A6B30.24B33.4B2A
19B42.15B3.5B32.25B37.20B$6.3B2A20B42.18B3.4B35.4B2A11B30.23B.4B30.
33B33.22B38.3B2A19B40.4B2.22B31.2BA13B46.4B2.11B2A7B30.24B33.3B2A19B
41.17B3.4B31.27B37.20B$7.25B42.8B3.7B3.4B34.18B30.5B2D16B.4B30.33B31.
24B37.3BA21B40.28B30.ABA14B46.26B30.24B33.23B41.18B3.3B31.18B.9B36.
21B$8.25B42.9B2.7B3.3B34.19B31.3B2D3B2A12B.3B30.7B2.25B30.25B36.BABA
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18B$8.27B41.9B3.7B3.B37.17B30.24B.B33.B6.4BA11B.9B27.3BA24B38.5B2.17B
40.28B28.8B2.9B46.7B.18B28.26B31.22B46.BABA2B.9B37.16B3.9B38.19B$10.
8B.17B39.10B4.7B41.16B31.24B42.BABA12B.9B26.BABA25B39.4B2.B2.14B40.
28B29.7B2.9B46.5B3.18B29.8B.16B32.8B.11B47.2A5.9B36.17B3.9B38.4B.14B$
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5B.13B$21.16B40.8B6.7B41.14B30.26B45.14B.9B28.7B3.17B39.4B5.14B40.28B
31.5B2.9B46.4B3.B3.15B29.4B5.15B42.9B56.9B36.17B3.7B39.5B.12B$22.15B
42.7B6.7B85.25B45.15B.9B27.6B5.3B2.12B39.4B5.14B40.28B31.5B2.9B46.4B
7.15B29.4B5.14B108.8B35.19B3.6B41.4B.11B$23.14B42.8B6.6B86.24B45.16B.
9B25.8B4.2B4.12B39.4B5.14B40.4B2.22B31.5B2.9B46.4B7.15B29.4B5.13B151.
20B3.5B41.5B.10B$24.13B43.2B.5B6.5B86.24B46.15B2.9B24.9B10.12B39.4B5.
13B41.4B2.21B32.5B2.9B101.4B5.12B152.8B2A10B3.4B43.4B.9B$25.12B47.5B
6.4B88.2B.19B46.16B2.8B25.9B10.12B39.4B5.12B101.5B2.9B101.4B5.11B153.
7B2A.10B3.3B44.4B.8B$26.11B48.5B6.3B93.17B47.16B2.7B26.9B10.11B162.5B
2.9B274.6B4.10B3.2B$27.10B49.5B6.2B94.16B47.3B.13B2.6B27.9B10.10B453.
6B4.10B3.B$28.9B157.15B48.2B2.13B2.5B28.9B10.9B454.6B4.10B$195.14B53.
13B2.4B29.9B10.8B455.6B4.10B$263.13B2.3B30.9B10.7B456.6B4.10B$264.13B
2.2B31.9B10.6B$313.9B10.5B$314.9B10.4B$315.9B10.3B$316.9B10.2B!

I posted the actual slow-salvo recipes a while ago on the Still Life Syntheses thread.

Every recipe starts with a construction-arm "hand" block (shown in red in the pattern above) and produces an eater -- usually on one edge or another of its construction envelope, so it can be placed close to already-constructed still lifes -- and also a new target hand block, shown in green.

There always has to be a target to work with, or construction can't continue... at least, not without breaking down some perfectly good constructed object and then rebuilding it. That ended up happening with blocks a couple of times in the SE Replicator recipe, which is one of the reasons I'm sure that there's a sub-300-glider recipe out there.

Some future round of slow-salvo compiler optimization should probably take advantage of the fact that there are thousands more variants of these recipes out there, which build the same eaters but put the output hand blocks in slightly different locations, which may turn out to be exactly where they're needed to start the next construction.

Really there's no reason -- besides "Keep It Simple, Stupid"! -- to insist that the target "hand" go back to a block stage between recipes. Here again, there are a few places in the SE Replicator recipe where I cheated and used a honeyfarm, saving a step (since the huge majority of block-move recipes immediately turn the target block into a honeyfarm, anyway).

Allowing other hand objects could increase the total number of object recipes by several orders of magnitude, potentially allowing for much more efficient constructions -- maybe 30-50% fewer gliders. But it would also increase the compiler's workload in the same proportion... so for now I'm leaving that optimizing project as an exercise for the reader!
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Re: Geminoid Challenge

Postby MikeP » October 29th, 2013, 8:15 am

Is there a non-KISS reason to limit yourself to having only 1 live "hand" object at a time?

Suppose you've found a recipe that builds an object of interest and leaves two spare blocks. Construction could continue using one of these blocks as the "hand", and then return later to continue with the other.

Of course this makes the optimisation / ordering process even trickier. For one thing you have to leave a path open for the construction salvos to reach the second "hand". For another thing, the search space now has branches in it, making it much larger and harder to examine.

This is all off the top of my head - I haven't looked much at the intricacies of construction.
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Re: Geminoid Challenge

Postby dvgrn » October 29th, 2013, 10:24 am

MikeP wrote:Suppose you've found a recipe that builds an object of interest and leaves two spare blocks. Construction could continue using one of these blocks as the "hand", and then return later to continue with the other.

Yes, that works just fine! This is actually another shortcut that I took a couple of times in the hand-built SE Replicator construction. Multiple hands came in really handy at least once -- I would have had to move the current hand block a long way to get to the next construction site, but I was able to modify a previous cleanup to leave some junk behind in the right place.

Then toward the end of the recipe, I left an extra beehive lying around for a long time, thinking it would be useful... but it wasn't, so it just got shot down the next time I was in the area -- no harm done.

This suggests that the compiler should know about two different kinds of object constructions -- clean recipes, for when a hand object won't be needed any more, and object+hand recipes where the construction is planned to continue somewhere in the near vicinity.

MikeP wrote:Of course this makes the optimisation / ordering process even trickier. For one thing you have to leave a path open for the construction salvos to reach the second "hand". For another thing, the search space now has branches in it, making it much larger and harder to examine.

All very true. In semi-manual constructions, the part about leaving a path open isn't too difficult in practice. Basically you only want to drop extra hands right near where a future object construction is going to happen. If the extra hand is going to get in the way, you could move it off to the side... but if it's getting in the way, that's probably a sign that you don't need it in the first place -- you can split an extra hand off of whatever reaction it's getting in the way of, instead!

At least 40 of the 300+ gliders in the current recipe are straight annihilation reactions, so most of those objects could have been used as extra hands if they'd been needed.

I'm thinking about continuing development on a semi-manual compiler, where the user always chooses the next object to construct, and then cycles through the various target objects that could be left over after the construction. Target objects would each have a destruction recipe associated with them, so they could easily be removed if they got in the way of a later recipe, or if they were going to stop being accessible because of getting "buried" by later constructions.

A completely automatic searcher/compiler is certainly still possible with all these refinements, but the heuristics would be very tricky. It probably makes more sense to stick with the simple one-handed model for a completely automatic search, which would concentrate instead on finding lucky matches between hundreds of thousands of object recipes with different input and output hands.

That's something that can very easily be done without too many difficult judgment calls. You just pick whichever object-recipe pairing is the cheapest in terms of glider pairs on the memory tape. Any individual search can easily be broken off if it's found something "good enough", and if going through all combinations would take too long. So you don't get the kind of combinatorial explosion that's likely to bog down a non-human-assisted compiler, where the algorithm gets lost for years looking at all possible twigs on an unproductive branch of the search tree.

It will be interesting to see which method will end up producing shorter recipes -- the simple automatic search or the human-inspired semi-manual one. Ultimately there may be a way to get the best of both worlds: set up short stretches of construction to do exhaustive searches on, maybe two to five objects in a row -- but leave to the user most of the key judgment calls about which hand objects to keep or shoot down, and what to construct next.

The main thing I'm keeping in mind is that it's going to be pretty much impossible to find the absolute best recipe for any given construction, at least above ten-object constellations or so. As Paul Chapman said once, just writing down an accurate description of all the parameters of the search space is an NP-complete problem...!
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Re: Geminoid Challenge

Postby codeholic » October 29th, 2013, 10:34 am

dvgrn wrote:So we're down to ten still lifes in the Construction Stopper seed, and maybe fifty P2-slow gliders to build them:
x = 48, y = 35, rule = LifeHistory
12.2A$11.A2.A$11.A.A$12.A2$46.A$45.A.A$44.A2.A$31.A13.2A$32.A$2A28.3A
$2A3$.A21.D$A.A18.3D$A2.A16.D10.A$.2A17.2D8.A.A$30.A2.A2.2A$31.2A3.2A
5$4.2D$4.D$2.D.D$2.2D25.A$28.A.A$20.2A6.2A$20.2A3$25.2A$25.2A!

A loaf instead of a boat can also emit a glider in order to remove the blocker on the glider stream replication lane:
x = 50, y = 35, rule = B3/S23
12b2o$11bo2bo$11bobo$12bo35bo$47bobo$46bo2bo$47b2o4$2o$2o36bo$39bo$37b
3o$bo31bo$obo29bobo$o2bo28bo2bo2b2o$b2o30b2o3b2o9$29bo$28bobo$28bo2bo$
20b2o7b2o$20b2o3$25b2o$25b2o!
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Re: Geminoid Challenge

Postby dvgrn » October 29th, 2013, 12:31 pm

codeholic wrote:A loaf instead of a boat can also emit a glider in order to remove the blocker on the glider stream replication lane...

Nice! Only nine still lifes, then -- and it would be 8sL, except that I think all the single-still-life glider turners are color-changing, and this happens to need a color-preserving turn like the two-block OTT. [I just looked at boats, longboats and eaters -- am I forgetting something?] Could use a dirty turner, of course -- increasing the replicator's still-life count by one block isn't exactly the end of the world:

#C functional but slightly inelegant 8sL Construction Stopper
x = 50, y = 37, rule = B3/S23
12b2o$11bo2bo$11bobo$12bo35bo$47bobo$46bo2bo$47b2o4$2o$2o36bo$39bo$37b
3o$bo31bo$obo29bobo$o2bo28bo2bo2b2o$b2o30b2o3b2o9$29bo$28bobo$28bo2bo$
29b2o5$26bo$25bobo$25b2o!

...Or I'm really tempted to use a toad, even though it isn't stable let alone Spartan -- it's certainly BT-Spartan, and there's no problem controlling the period so that it works for this purpose.

I'm working on cutting down the unnecessarily complicated one-time circuitry I used in the prototype replicator. Once that's done I can start on the construction recipe for the Output Copier (the Silver reflector to the northeast) and this Construction Stopper. At the moment it might look something like this:

#C 102 still lifes to construct, 86 still lifes in replicator body
x = 914, y = 919, rule = LifeHistory
201.2E$201.2E19$221.2C$221.2C7$193.2A$192.A2.A127.2A$192.A.A128.2A$
193.A35.A$228.A.A$227.A2.A$228.2A4$181.2A$181.2A36.A118.2A$206.D13.A
117.2A$204.3D11.3A$182.A20.D10.A$181.A.A19.2D8.A.A$181.A2.A28.A2.A2.
2A$182.2A30.2A3.2A5$318.2A$319.A$185.2D129.3A$185.D130.A$183.D.D24.A$
183.2D24.A.A$209.A2.A$201.2D7.2A$201.2D70.A$273.3A$276.A$205.3A67.2A$
204.3AD$206.D.D$206.2D64.A34.A$270.3A32.3A$269.A34.A$269.2A33.2A20.2A
$259.2A56.2A7.2A$260.A57.A$260.A.A55.A.A$261.2A4.2A44.2A4.2A$266.A2.A
44.A20.2A$267.2A45.A.A18.A$279.2A34.2A16.A.A$279.2A52.2A$210.2D$210.
2D6$265.2A3.2A32.2A$266.A3.A20.2A11.2A$263.3A5.3A18.A$263.A9.A15.3A
35.2A$289.A9.2A26.2A2.2A$299.2A30.A.A$333.A$311.2A20.2A$311.A.A2.2A$
312.A3.2A3$302.2A$246.2C9.2A44.A$246.C6.2A2.A.A40.3A$244.C.C6.2A3.A
41.A$244.2C7$246.2A$245.A.A$246.A15$266.2A$266.A.A$267.A30$109.A$107.
3A93.2E$106.A96.2E$106.2A8.2A$116.A38.A$114.A.A38.3A$114.2A12.2A28.A$
127.A.A27.2A34.A$127.A11.A53.3A$104.2A20.2A9.3A56.A14.A$104.2A30.A58.
2A12.3A$136.2A10.2A58.A$85.2A17.2D42.A59.2A$85.2A17.2D40.A.A$146.2A$
123.2A82.2A$123.2A63.2A17.2A$104.2D82.2A$104.2D5$157.2A32.2A$132.2A
23.2A11.2A20.A$133.A36.A18.3A$130.3A38.3A15.A$95.2A33.A42.A20.2A$95.
2A22.2A74.A$119.A.A70.3A$121.A70.A$121.2A5$185.2A$186.A$186.A.A15.2A$
187.2A15.2A12$205.2A$205.A.A$207.A$207.2A2$8.2A8.A$8.2A6.3A$15.A$2A
13.2A$.A$.A.A$2.2A$7.2C186.2A$7.2C2D184.2A$9.2D3$4.A$3.A.A$3.2A201.2A
$185.2A19.A$186.A17.A.A$12.2A172.A.A15.2A$12.2A173.2A4.A$192.A.A$192.
A.A$193.A10.2A$204.A.A$206.A$206.2A$191.2A$192.A$189.3A$189.A64$89.2A
$90.A$90.A.A$91.2A2$106.2A$106.2A2$97.2C$89.2A6.2C$89.2A5.2D$96.2D2$
102.A$101.A.A$94.2A6.2A$95.A$92.3A$92.A$287.3A$287.A$288.A142$431.3A$
431.A$432.A107$872.2A$872.2A6$874.A$872.3A$871.A$871.2A$856.2A$857.A$
857.A.A$858.2A10.A$869.A.A$869.A.A$870.A4.2A$858.2A15.A.A$857.A.A17.A
$857.A19.2A$856.2A2$881.2A$881.A$879.A.A$879.2A$867.2A$867.2A7$575.3A
$575.A$576.A278.2A$856.A$856.A.A$857.2A11$842.C$841.C.C14.2A15.2A$
840.C.C15.2A15.A.A$840.2C35.A$877.2A6$871.A$869.3A$868.A$868.2A19.2A$
874.A15.A$872.3A15.A.A$871.A19.2A$871.2A3$912.2A$912.2A2$874.2A$855.
2A17.2A$855.2A3$854.2A$855.A$852.3A12.2A$852.A14.A16.2A$868.3A14.A$
870.A11.3A$882.A$902.2A$902.2A110$738.2A$737.2A$739.A57$872.2A$872.2A
6$874.A$872.3A$871.A$871.2A$856.2A$857.A$857.A.A$858.2A10.A$869.A.A$
869.A.A$870.A4.2A$858.2A15.A.A$857.A.A17.A$857.A19.2A$856.2A2$881.2A$
881.A$879.A.A$879.2A$867.2A$867.2A9$855.2A$856.A$856.A.A$857.2A12$
858.2A15.2A$858.2A15.A.A$877.A$877.2A6$871.A$869.3A$868.A$868.2A19.2A
$874.A15.A$872.3A15.A.A$871.A19.2A$871.2A3$912.2A$912.2A2$874.2A$855.
2A17.2A$855.2A3$854.2A$855.A$852.3A12.2A$852.A14.A16.2A$868.3A14.A$
870.A11.3A$882.A$902.2A$902.2A!

Hmm, that 102sL count is a little annoying somehow. Are there not any two-still-life candidates for the final output-stopping eater seed? Even zero-clearance would be no problem there. I'm less likely to want to use P2 objects for this seed, though -- it would affect the allowable replicator periods, or at least tend to cause minor synchronization headaches.

I could probably manage without the two target hands in the NW corner -- the yellow blocks -- by splitting a hand off directly from the elbow when I need it. At the moment I only know a really expensive way to do that with 9hd glider pairs, but it's probably pretty easy. Anyone need an interesting little research project?

-- And I'm pretty sure I can set things up so that the universal constructor's period quadrupler starts in its zero-block state instead of a one-block state. So that should do the trick -- a Conway's Life replicator with under 100 still lifes! [Yes, there will be a few gliders, too...]
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Re: Geminoid Challenge

Postby codeholic » October 29th, 2013, 4:20 pm

Well, I've found a 2sL seed for the stopper, but you probably will not like it :roll: because
  1. a ship
  2. it is a boat-bit catcher
  3. the trigger glider lane overlaps with the lane of the glider stream to copy, which may make it tricky to find a OTT for it
  4. the trigger glider comes from a wrong direction
x = 25, y = 35, rule = LifeHistory
13.2C$13.C.C$14.2C2$18.C3.A$17.C.C2.A.A$17.2C.D.2A$20.3D$23.D$22.2D
18$5.3A$7.A$6.A3$3A$2.A$.A!

I'm running another 2sL search with a longer reaction time and up-to 8 bit left-over junk allowed, so there may be an update later.
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Re: Geminoid Challenge

Postby dvgrn » October 29th, 2013, 4:33 pm

codeholic wrote:Well, I've found a 2sL seed for the stopper, but you probably will not like it...

Well, none of the problems you listed are show-stoppers by any means: ships are easy to construct, a boat-bit catcher is fine on the output lane especially because cycles are always in groups of four anyway... and there are plenty of OTTs that can turn a glider onto a lane 6hd away from an active lane.

[The previous prototype had an OTT that did the opposite -- a beehive and block "robbed" a glider from a lane only 1hd from an already-used lane, and sent it off at 90 degrees. But in this direction, there wouldn't even be a problem with a complete overlap; a boat turner can manage that trick, for example, with 2hd extra clearance.]

Unfortunately adding a boat turner brings the total number of still lifes back up to 3 again -- so I have no incentive to change the current model...! Seems like the only hope of improvement is for the trigger glider to come in perpendicular to the lane to be blocked.
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Re: Geminoid Challenge

Postby codeholic » October 29th, 2013, 5:06 pm

Oh, here is another one:
x = 39, y = 44, rule = LifeHistory
24.C$23.C.C$22.C.C$22.2C2$18.2C$17.C.C2.3A$17.2C3.A$23.A2$35.2D$35.D.
D$37.D$37.2D23$6.2A$5.A.A$7.A3$.2A$A.A$2.A!

EDIT: And yet another one:
x = 33, y = 40, rule = LifeHistory
18.2C$18.C.C$19.2C2$23.C$22.C.C$22.2C.D$25.3D$28.D.2A$27.2D.A.A$30.A
22$5.3A$7.A$6.A3$3A$2.A$.A!

EDIT: And yet another one:
x = 35, y = 40, rule = LifeHistory
18.2C$18.C.C$19.2C2$23.2C$22.C.C$22.2C.D$25.3D$28.D$27.2D2$32.2A$32.A
.A$32.A19$5.3A$7.A$6.A3$3A$2.A$.A!
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Re: Geminoid Challenge

Postby dvgrn » October 29th, 2013, 11:04 pm

codeholic wrote:Oh, here is another one...

Yikes, a clean 2-object 12hd-clearance boat-bit-catching eater seed!

It's definitely buildable:

x = 3162, y = 3173, rule = LifeHistory
2E$2E19$15.3A$15.A$16.A148$162.3A$162.A$163.A148$322.2A$321.2A$323.A
148$455.2A$454.2A$456.A148$618.3A$618.A$619.A148$764.2A$763.2A$765.A
148$911.3A$911.A$912.A148$1063.3A$1063.A$1064.A148$1215.3A$1215.A$
1216.A148$1367.3A$1367.A$1368.A148$1528.3A$1528.A$1529.A148$1674.3A$
1674.A$1675.A148$1821.3A$1821.A$1822.A148$1972.2A$1971.2A$1973.A148$
2126.3A$2126.A$2127.A148$2272.3A$2272.A$2273.A148$2422.3A$2422.A$
2423.A148$2562.3A$2562.A$2563.A148$2715.2A$2714.2A$2716.A148$2867.3A$
2867.A$2868.A148$3032.3A$3032.A$3033.A148$3159.3A$3159.A$3160.A!

-- but I put it together the wrong way around...

Will fix this tomorrow. I'll probably include this one in the new replicator body, unless some unforeseen problem comes up.

EDIT: Constructing the constellation from the other side is just as easy, pretty much:

x = 1675, y = 1652, rule = B3/S23
bo$2bo$3o28$46bo$47bo$45b3o28$78bo$79b2o$78b2o28$111bo$112bo$110b3o28$
131bo$132bo$130b3o28$161bo$162bo$160b3o28$187bo$188bo$186b3o28$215bo$
216bo$214b3o28$251bo$252b2o$251b2o28$283bo$284bo$282b3o28$304bo$305bo$
303b3o28$342bo$343bo$341b3o28$376bo$377bo$375b3o28$401bo$402b2o$401b2o
28$432bo$433bo$431b3o28$459bo$460bo$458b3o28$485bo$486bo$484b3o28$526b
o$527bo$525b3o28$558bo$559bo$557b3o28$590bo$591bo$589b3o28$622bo$623bo
$621b3o28$649bo$650b2o$649b2o28$675bo$676bo$674b3o28$718bo$719b2o$718b
2o28$731bo$732b2o$731b2o28$771bo$772bo$770b3o28$798bo$799bo$797b3o19$
813b2o$813b2o847$1672b2o$1672bobo$1672bo!

I can dig up a more efficient recipe when the compiler search is working properly. But there is a problem.

The Output Stopper eater has to be shot down with a glider from the NW, then reconstituted by a glider from the SE. An eater in this boat-bit-catching orientation can be shot down with no problem, with either color glider -- but one of those paths passes through the pre-constructed longboat+ship seed. The output glider from the current Construction Stopper is the wrong color (of course) to hit the accessible annihilation path behind the longboat.

The boat+ship and 2ship eater seeds aren't usable here -- the seeds need to be constructed already when the eater is destroyed, but they're both in the way of the annihilation glider from the NW.

So I guess I'll still stick with the boat+2block eater seed for now...!
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Re: Geminoid Challenge

Postby codeholic » October 30th, 2013, 3:36 pm

6sL construction lanes blocker seed... but for 10hd. But there is still a chance that an appropriate glider will show up...
x = 88, y = 78, rule = B3/S23
61bo$60bobo$61b2o3$53b2o3bo$52bobo2bobo$53bo3bobo$58bo4$78bo$79bo$77b
3o5b2o$85bobo$86bo$80b2o$79bo2bo$80b2o3$81b2o$80bobo$81bo46$5b3o7b3o$
7bo9bo$6bo9bo3$3o7b3o$2bo9bo$bo9bo!
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Re: Geminoid Challenge

Postby dvgrn » November 1st, 2013, 10:42 am

The test pattern below runs pretty well up to a step size of about 2^22. After that, Golly has a tough time, at least on my laptop with 2GB of RAM. With this design, the memory loop period can't be a power of two -- it's 27,147,946 ticks in the test pattern, about the same as the full replicator will need -- so the number of hashtiles will tend to keep going up, at least until a large power-of-two number of reflectors has been built.

SE reflector construction:
[M2] (golly 2.5)
#R B3/S23
$$$$$$......**$......**$
4 0 0 0 1
5 0 0 0 2
6 0 0 0 3
7 0 0 4 0
$$$$...**$...**$
4 0 0 0 6
5 0 7 0 0
6 0 8 0 0
7 0 0 0 9
$......**$......**$
4 0 0 0 11
...*$.***$*$**$
$$$..**$..*$*.*$**$
4 13 14 0 0
$$$.....**$.....**$
4 0 0 16 0
$$$$.....**$.....*.*$.......*$.......*$
4 0 0 0 18
5 12 15 17 19
$$$$$$......**$.....*.*$
.....*$....**$$$$$$.**$
$.......*$......*$......**$
4 21 0 22 23
.*$**$
4 0 0 25 14
.**$
$$$$$$$*$
..**$...*$***$*$
4 27 0 28 29
5 24 26 30 0
6 20 31 0 0
$$$$.*$.***$....*$...**$
4 33 0 0 0
$$$$$$...*$.***$
*$**$
4 0 35 0 36
$$$$$$$...**$
...**$
4 38 0 39 0
**$*$.***$...*$
4 0 0 41 0
5 34 37 40 42
$$$$$$$.......*$
.......*$
**$..*$.**$
4 44 0 45 46
$**$**$
$$.......*$......*$......**$$$.....**$
$.*$**$
4 48 0 49 50
..**$..**$$$$$$.....**$
......*$...***$...*$$$......**$......*$
$$$**$.*$*$
4 52 0 53 54
.....**$
4 56 0 0 0
5 47 51 55 57
$$$$.......*$
4 0 59 0 0
5 0 60 0 0
$$$$*$*$*.*$.**$
4 62 0 0 0
$$$$$$..**$..**$
4 64 0 0 0
$$$$$$$.**$
4 0 0 0 66
$$$...**$...*.*$.....*$.....**$
4 68 0 0 0
5 63 65 67 69
6 43 58 61 70
7 0 0 32 71
8 0 5 10 72
9 0 0 0 73
10 0 0 74 0
$$$$$....**$.....*$.....*.*$
......**$$$$$$$.......*$
4 0 76 0 77
4 0 45 0 0
5 0 78 0 79
$$....**$....**$
$$......*$....***$...*$...**$
$...**$...**$$$$*$.*$
4 81 82 83 0
*$
$$$**$**$
4 85 86 0 0
5 84 0 87 0
6 80 88 0 0
$$$$$$.....**$......*$
4 0 0 90 0
5 0 0 0 91
......*$.......*$$$$$$.....**$
*$*$$$$$.....**$.....**$
$$$$$..**$...*$***$
4 93 94 56 95
4 0 85 0 0
5 0 96 0 97
6 0 92 0 98
7 89 0 0 99
4 0 44 0 0
5 0 101 0 0
*$*.*$.**....*$......*$......*$.......*$
$$$*$*$
4 28 27 103 104
$$$$$$....**$....*$
..*.*$..**$$$$..**$..*.*$....*$
4 106 0 107 0
$.....**$......*$...***$...*$
4 109 0 0 0
....**$
4 111 0 0 0
5 105 108 110 112
$.......*$.......*$
4 0 114 0 0
5 0 115 0 0
6 102 113 0 116
$$$......**$......**$
$$$..*$.*.*$..**$
4 118 0 119 0
5 120 0 0 0
6 0 0 121 0
7 0 117 122 0
8 100 123 0 0
9 0 124 0 0
$**$$*$
4 126 0 0 0
5 127 0 0 0
6 0 0 128 0
7 129 0 0 0
5 0 0 115 127
6 0 0 131 0
7 132 0 0 0
8 130 0 0 133
6 116 128 0 0
7 0 0 135 0
$$$$$$....***$....*$
4 0 0 0 137
.....*$
4 0 139 0 0
5 138 0 140 0
6 0 0 141 0
7 0 0 0 142
8 136 0 0 143
9 134 0 0 144
10 125 145 0 0
11 75 0 146 0
6 0 0 0 116
7 0 148 0 0
8 0 149 0 0
9 0 150 0 0
$$.......*$
4 0 152 0 0
5 0 153 0 0
$**$*$.*$
4 155 0 0 0
5 156 0 0 0
6 154 157 0 0
7 0 0 158 0
$$$$$...***$...*$....*$
4 160 0 0 0
5 161 0 0 0
6 0 0 162 0
7 0 0 0 163
8 159 0 0 164
9 134 0 0 165
10 151 166 0 0
11 0 167 0 0
$$$$$$$......**$
......*$......*$
4 169 0 170 85
5 171 0 0 0
6 0 0 172 0
7 0 0 0 173
8 136 0 0 174
9 134 0 0 175
10 151 176 0 0
11 0 0 177 0
12 147 0 168 178
4 0 0 0 44
5 0 0 0 180
6 0 0 181 0
7 0 0 0 182
8 159 0 0 183
9 134 0 0 184
......**$......*$
4 0 186 0 0
5 0 187 0 0
$*$
4 189 0 0 0
5 190 0 0 0
6 188 191 0 0
7 0 192 0 0
8 0 193 0 0
9 0 194 0 0
10 151 185 0 195
11 0 196 0 0
12 0 197 0 0
$$$$....*$...**$...*.*$
4 199 0 0 0
5 0 0 0 200
6 0 0 201 0
7 0 0 0 202
8 136 0 0 203
9 134 0 0 204
10 151 205 0 0
11 0 0 206 0
4 0 0 152 155
5 0 0 0 208
6 0 0 209 0
7 0 0 0 210
8 159 0 0 211
9 134 0 0 212
10 151 213 0 0
11 0 214 0 0
$$$$$$......*$.....**$
.....*.*$
4 216 0 217 0
5 0 0 0 218
6 0 0 219 0
7 0 0 0 220
8 159 0 0 221
9 134 0 0 222
10 151 223 0 0
11 0 0 224 0
12 207 0 215 225
13 179 0 198 226
8 136 0 0 0
9 134 0 0 228
$$***$*$.*$
4 0 0 0 230
5 231 0 0 0
6 0 232 0 0
7 0 233 0 0
8 0 234 0 0
9 0 235 0 0
10 151 229 0 236
11 0 237 0 0
12 0 238 0 0
13 0 239 0 0
$$$$$....**$....*.*$....*$
4 241 0 0 0
5 0 0 0 242
6 0 0 243 0
7 0 0 0 244
8 136 0 0 245
9 134 0 0 246
10 151 247 0 0
11 0 0 248 0
12 207 0 215 249
$**$*.*$*$
4 251 0 0 0
5 0 0 0 252
6 0 0 253 0
7 0 0 0 254
8 136 0 0 255
9 134 0 0 256
10 151 257 0 0
11 0 258 0 0
12 0 259 0 0
$$$$$$.....**$....**$
4 0 0 0 261
......*$
4 0 263 0 0
5 262 0 264 0
6 0 0 265 0
7 0 0 0 266
8 159 0 0 267
9 134 0 0 268
10 151 269 0 0
11 0 0 270 0
5 200 0 0 0
6 0 0 272 0
7 0 0 0 273
8 136 0 0 274
9 134 0 0 275
10 151 276 0 0
11 0 277 0 0
$$$$...**$..**$....*$
4 279 0 0 0
5 280 0 0 0
6 0 0 281 0
7 0 0 0 282
8 136 0 0 283
9 134 0 0 284
10 151 285 0 0
11 0 0 286 0
12 271 0 278 287
13 250 0 260 288
14 227 0 240 289
7 0 0 0 132
8 136 0 0 291
9 134 0 0 292
10 151 293 0 0
11 0 294 0 0
12 0 295 0 0
13 0 296 0 0
14 0 297 0 0
8 136 0 0 267
9 134 0 0 299
10 151 300 0 0
11 0 0 301 0
4 261 0 263 0
5 0 0 0 303
6 0 0 304 0
7 0 0 0 305
8 136 0 0 306
9 134 0 0 307
10 151 308 0 0
11 0 309 0 0
$$$..**$..*.*$..*$
4 311 0 0 0
5 0 0 0 312
6 0 0 313 0
7 0 0 0 314
8 136 0 0 315
9 134 0 0 316
10 151 317 0 0
11 0 0 318 0
12 302 0 310 319
$$$$...**$...*.*$...*$
4 321 0 0 0
5 0 0 0 322
6 0 0 323 0
7 0 0 0 324
8 136 0 0 325
9 134 0 0 326
10 151 327 0 0
11 0 328 0 0
12 0 329 0 0
13 320 0 330 226
4 0 0 0 279
5 0 0 0 332
6 0 0 333 0
7 0 0 0 334
8 136 0 0 335
9 134 0 0 336
10 151 337 0 0
11 0 0 338 0
8 159 0 0 245
9 134 0 0 340
10 151 341 0 0
11 0 342 0 0
*$*$.*$
4 0 0 114 344
5 0 0 0 345
6 0 0 346 0
7 0 0 0 347
8 136 0 0 348
9 134 0 0 349
10 151 350 0 0
11 0 0 351 0
12 339 0 343 352
13 226 0 239 353
14 331 0 240 354
15 290 0 298 355
5 0 0 0 161
6 0 0 357 0
7 0 0 0 358
8 159 0 0 359
9 134 0 0 360
10 151 361 0 0
11 0 362 0 0
12 0 363 0 0
13 0 364 0 0
14 0 365 0 0
15 0 366 0 0
4 0 0 114 126
5 0 0 0 368
6 0 0 369 0
7 0 0 0 370
8 136 0 0 371
9 134 0 0 372
10 151 373 0 0
11 0 0 374 0
$$$$$$.....**$.....*.*$
4 376 0 139 0
5 0 0 0 377
6 0 0 378 0
7 0 0 0 379
8 136 0 0 380
9 134 0 0 381
10 151 382 0 0
11 0 383 0 0
8 159 0 0 0
9 134 0 0 385
$$.**$**$..*$
4 0 0 0 387
5 388 0 0 0
6 0 389 0 0
7 0 390 0 0
8 0 391 0 0
9 0 392 0 0
10 151 386 0 393
11 0 0 394 0
12 375 0 384 395
11 0 206 0 0
12 0 397 0 0
11 0 0 214 0
11 0 248 0 0
11 0 0 258 0
12 399 0 400 401
13 396 0 398 402
13 0 398 0 0
$$$..**$.**$...*$
4 405 0 0 0
5 0 0 0 406
6 0 0 407 0
7 0 0 0 408
8 159 0 0 409
9 134 0 0 410
10 151 411 0 0
11 0 0 412 0
12 399 0 329 413
5 0 0 0 171
6 0 0 415 0
7 0 0 0 416
8 159 0 0 417
9 134 0 0 418
10 151 419 0 0
11 0 420 0 0
12 0 421 0 0
$$.**$.*.*$.*$
4 423 0 0 0
5 424 0 0 0
6 0 425 0 0
7 0 426 0 0
8 0 427 0 0
9 0 428 0 0
10 151 229 0 429
11 0 0 430 0
5 406 0 0 0
6 0 432 0 0
7 0 433 0 0
8 0 434 0 0
9 0 435 0 0
10 151 386 0 436
11 0 437 0 0
8 159 0 0 203
9 134 0 0 439
10 151 440 0 0
11 0 0 441 0
12 431 0 438 442
13 414 0 422 443
14 403 0 404 444
14 0 404 0 0
11 0 270 0 0
12 0 447 0 0
11 0 0 277 0
11 0 286 0 0
11 0 0 294 0
12 449 0 450 451
13 402 0 448 452
13 402 0 398 402
14 453 0 404 454
15 445 0 446 455
16 356 0 367 456
11 0 338 0 0
12 0 458 0 0
13 0 459 0 0
14 0 460 0 0
15 0 461 0 0
16 0 462 0 0
11 0 0 342 0
11 0 351 0 0
10 151 145 0 0
11 0 0 466 0
12 464 0 465 467
12 0 168 0 0
5 322 0 0 0
6 0 0 470 0
7 0 0 0 471
8 159 0 0 472
9 134 0 0 473
10 151 474 0 0
11 0 0 475 0
5 0 0 153 156
6 0 0 477 0
7 0 0 0 478
8 159 0 0 479
9 134 0 0 480
10 151 481 0 0
11 0 482 0 0
12 476 0 483 339
13 468 0 469 484
12 0 343 0 0
13 0 486 0 0
11 0 301 0 0
11 0 0 309 0
12 352 0 488 489
11 0 318 0 0
12 0 491 0 0
11 0 0 328 0
12 493 0 397 399
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15 0 1477 0 0
12 451 0 458 464
13 1479 0 579 320
14 1480 0 556 289
12 929 0 932 935
13 1482 0 575 588
14 1483 0 710 1203
15 1481 0 298 1484
16 1476 0 1478 1485
17 1470 0 948 1486
18 1439 0 1441 1487
18 0 1441 0 0
14 1323 0 1023 1029
14 640 0 404 1467
15 1490 0 639 1491
14 1184 0 697 701
13 1056 0 504 549
14 1494 0 498 759
15 1493 0 881 1495
16 1492 0 1239 1496
13 903 0 905 288
14 908 0 556 1498
15 1348 0 900 1499
13 250 0 260 353
13 612 0 398 414
14 1501 0 610 1502
13 739 0 662 959
14 1231 0 460 1504
15 1503 0 446 1505
16 1500 0 1105 1506
17 1497 0 1267 1507
16 0 1239 0 0
17 0 1509 0 0
13 691 0 656 1240
14 683 0 687 1511
14 1173 0 697 1039
15 1512 0 654 1513
13 1240 0 469 655
14 1515 0 697 1515
13 919 0 662 740
14 1517 0 653 750
15 1516 0 698 1518
16 1514 0 699 1519
14 1494 0 498 823
13 226 0 239 1482
13 588 0 590 894
14 1522 0 775 1523
15 1521 0 708 1524
13 320 0 330 1167
14 1526 0 1170 595
13 402 0 609 612
14 607 0 404 1528
15 1527 0 600 1529
16 1525 0 1094 1530
17 1520 0 883 1531
18 1508 0 1510 1532
19 1488 0 1489 1533
14 1494 0 498 1192
15 877 0 881 1535
14 1501 0 610 613
13 468 0 469 655
14 1538 0 697 1161
15 1537 0 461 1539
16 1536 0 1094 1540
12 352 0 421 431
13 1162 0 486 1542
13 0 891 0 0
12 442 0 397 399
13 1545 0 330 565
14 1543 0 1544 1546
13 494 0 330 817
13 1057 0 579 320
14 1548 0 761 1549
15 1547 0 776 1550
14 1203 0 899 1206
13 894 0 895 903
14 1553 0 1108 896
15 1552 0 900 1554
16 1551 0 601 1555
17 1541 0 948 1556
14 595 0 556 1100
14 0 587 0 0
13 353 0 422 443
14 1560 0 404 454
15 1558 0 1559 1561
13 402 0 422 443
14 650 0 404 1563
13 443 0 459 739
14 730 0 1217 1565
15 1564 0 446 1566
16 1562 0 649 1567
15 0 1116 0 0
16 0 1569 0 0
12 319 0 329 207
13 1571 0 656 1174
13 680 0 656 923
14 1572 0 679 1573
13 916 0 656 682
13 691 0 656 919
14 1575 0 687 1576
15 1574 0 698 1577
12 287 0 295 302
13 959 0 678 1579
14 1580 0 1115 1117
13 693 0 656 682
12 689 0 690 302
13 1583 0 662 959
14 1582 0 687 1584
15 1581 0 698 1585
16 1578 0 1569 1586
17 1568 0 1570 1587
18 1557 0 1441 1588
18 0 1510 0 0
11 0 1278 0 0
12 0 1591 0 0
11 0 0 1288 0
11 0 1298 0 0
12 1593 0 1594 580
13 680 0 1592 1595
13 661 0 920 921
14 1596 0 660 1597
13 655 0 656 919
13 0 920 0 0
13 921 0 469 655
14 1599 0 1600 1601
15 1598 0 654 1602
13 919 0 920 1372
14 1050 0 697 1604
13 1033 0 933 936
13 747 0 662 663
14 1606 0 653 1607
15 1605 0 670 1608
16 1603 0 699 1609
12 395 0 788 798
13 751 0 752 1611
14 1245 0 487 1612
12 593 0 500 501
13 1614 0 504 1057
13 320 0 330 250
14 1615 0 707 1616
15 1613 0 997 1617
13 606 0 398 402
14 1014 0 614 1619
13 452 0 1022 1028
14 1621 0 732 734
15 1620 0 639 1622
16 1618 0 901 1623
17 1610 0 672 1624
17 0 1368 0 0
14 723 0 460 741
14 1173 0 697 1515
15 1627 0 654 1628
15 1518 0 881 1521
16 1629 0 699 1630
15 0 708 0 0
16 0 1632 0 0
13 606 0 364 396
14 1399 0 614 1634
15 1524 0 1093 1635
13 612 0 605 628
14 1637 0 404 1362
15 1369 0 611 1638
16 1636 0 649 1639
17 1631 0 1633 1640
18 1625 0 1626 1641
19 1589 0 1590 1642
20 1534 0 1414 1643
14 0 732 0 0
15 0 1645 0 0
16 0 1646 0 0
17 0 1647 0 0
18 0 1648 0 0
19 0 1649 0 0
20 0 1650 0 0
13 452 0 459 739
14 1359 0 638 1652
13 1571 0 656 1240
13 484 0 486 490
14 1654 0 653 1655
15 1653 0 1116 1656
13 1431 0 810 812
13 554 0 330 990
14 1658 0 498 1659
12 451 0 488 489
13 1661 0 492 1337
12 395 0 397 1279
12 1299 0 514 564
13 1663 0 1290 1664
14 1662 0 766 1665
15 1660 0 1477 1666
16 1657 0 1335 1667
12 493 0 488 489
13 1669 0 492 1343
13 1057 0 579 583
14 1670 0 761 1671
14 824 0 297 1523
15 1672 0 1559 1673
13 894 0 895 1482
14 1357 0 556 1675
13 588 0 590 288
14 1677 0 297 595
15 1676 0 776 1678
16 1674 0 1094 1679
17 1668 0 778 1680
13 612 0 459 739
14 1619 0 610 1682
15 1358 0 648 1683
13 959 0 678 680
13 923 0 656 951
14 1685 0 697 1686
13 1234 0 678 1579
14 1576 0 1600 1688
15 1687 0 688 1689
16 1684 0 1569 1690
14 0 1600 0 0
15 0 1692 0 0
16 0 1693 0 0
13 1160 0 656 916
11 0 1447 0 0
12 0 1696 0 0
13 0 1697 0 0
11 0 0 1454 0
11 0 1461 0 0
12 1699 0 1700 681
13 1701 0 686 691
14 1695 0 1698 1702
13 693 0 656 693
14 1704 0 697 1704
15 1703 0 698 1705
$$..**$..**$
4 0 0 1707 0
$$$$$$$....*$
4 0 0 1709 0
5 1708 0 1710 0
6 0 0 0 1711
7 0 0 1712 0
$$$..**$...*$...*.*$....**$
$$....**$...*.*$...*$..**$
4 1714 44 1715 45
$$$$$.**$..*$..*.*$
4 0 16 1717 0
5 0 1716 0 1718
..***$.*$.**$$$$*$.*$
.*$*....**$.....*.*$.......*$.......*$
$$$$*$$$...**$
4 1720 0 1721 1722
...*$.*.*$.**$
4 0 1724 0 0
5 1723 0 1725 0
$$$....*$...*.*$..*.*$..**$
4 0 0 1727 0
$$$$....**$....**$
4 39 0 1729 0
$$$$$$.......*$......*$
......**$
4 0 1731 0 1732
5 1728 1730 0 1733
4 0 0 18 28
$$$$$.*$**$
$....*$..***$.*$.**$
4 1736 0 1737 0
...**$....*$....*.*$.....**$
4 0 0 1739 0
5 1735 0 1738 1740
6 1719 1726 1734 1741
$$$$$$$..**$
4 0 0 0 1743
5 0 0 1744 0
6 0 0 1745 0
$......**$......*$
4 0 0 0 1747
$$$.**$.**$$$**$
.*$*$
$.....**$.....*$......**$
4 1749 0 1750 1751
5 1748 1752 0 0
$$......**$.......*$....***$....*$
4 81 0 104 1754
5 1755 0 0 0
6 1753 1756 0 0
..**$
$$$$$$**$**$
4 0 1758 1759 0
5 1760 0 0 0
6 1761 0 0 0
7 1742 1746 1757 1762
8 0 1713 0 1763
9 0 0 0 1764
10 0 0 1765 0
11 1766 0 0 0
12 249 0 259 1767
13 1768 0 0 0
14 1769 0 0 0
15 1705 0 698 1770
16 1706 0 699 1771
17 1691 0 1694 1772
18 1681 0 603 1773
19 1774 0 0 0
20 1775 0 0 0
21 1644 0 1651 1776
22 1412 0 1416 1777
23 0 0 0 1778

The construction recipe for the SE reflector is generated from T=0 to T=13430784 (or thereabouts). It doesn't actually start building the SE reflector until the last glider in the salvo has been created. The salvo finishes the construction at about the same time as the next salvo construction cycle starts.

So there's generally something interesting happening either at the NW end or the SE end of the memory loop, but never both at once. The loop could be trivially cut to half its current length, or could be reduced by 75% somewhat less trivially. I'm going to save those improvements until the full construction recipe for the replicator is completed.

This test pattern will stop working when the vertical line of SE reflectors meets the diagonal construction-arm lanes, but I'm not about to run Golly long enough to see that happen! If anyone wants to figure out exactly when the crash will occur, there's an easy shortcut.

There will be 80-odd still lifes in the replicator body, plus another dozen or more temporary still lifes used as one-time turners -- so about 100sL in all. That means the recipe in the test pattern is about a fifth of the way to a completed replicator. The Geminoid replicator project is finally starting to get somewhere!
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Re: Geminoid Challenge

Postby dvgrn » November 2nd, 2013, 11:09 am

As I hoped, the 4hd-clearance eater seed turns out to be far enough out of the way that it's easily constructible for use as a Construction Stopper -- even with a limited set of elbow ops (four cycles or less):

x = 17429, y = 17443, rule = LifeHistory
27.2E$27.2E7$10.2D$9.D2.D$10.D.D$11.D7$2C16.2D2.2D$2C15.D.D2.2D$19.D
2$22.D$21.D.D$20.D2.D$21.2D$34.D$33.D.D$32.D2.D$33.2D2$39.D$18.2D19.
2D$19.D19.2D$19.D.D18.D$20.2D5$17.3A$17.A$18.A3$32.2A$32.A.A$32.A93$
117.3A$117.A$118.A17$147.A$146.2A$146.A.A75$222.3A$222.A$223.A2$218.
2A$217.2A$219.A71$300.2A$299.2A$301.A25$317.3A$317.A$318.A93$423.A$
422.2A$422.A.A3$417.3A$417.A$418.A98$518.2A7.2A$517.2A7.2A$519.A8.A
93$622.2A$622.A.A$622.A3$617.3A$617.A$618.A92$721.2A$720.2A$722.A4$
718.2A$717.2A$719.A87$816.2A$815.2A$817.A9$818.2A$817.2A$819.A77$907.
A$906.2A$906.A.A19$917.3A$917.A$918.A77$1006.2A$1005.2A$1007.A19$
1017.3A$1017.A$1018.A90$1118.3A$1118.A$1119.A6$1117.3A$1117.A$1118.A
93$1223.A$1222.2A$1222.A.A3$1217.3A$1217.A$1218.A98$1318.2A7.2A$1317.
2A7.2A$1319.A8.A94$1423.2A$1423.A.A$1423.A2$1417.3A$1417.A$1418.A90$
1519.2A$1519.A.A$1519.A6$1517.3A$1517.A$1518.A93$1623.A$1622.2A$1622.
A.A3$1617.3A$1617.A$1618.A98$1718.2A7.2A$1717.2A7.2A$1719.A8.A93$
1822.2A$1822.A.A$1822.A3$1817.3A$1817.A$1818.A92$1921.2A$1920.2A$
1922.A4$1918.2A$1917.2A$1919.A96$2025.2A$2025.A.A$2018.2A5.A$2017.2A$
2019.A98$2117.3A$2117.A$2118.A7$2136.2A$2136.A.A$2136.A89$2218.2A$
2217.2A$2219.A8$2237.2A$2236.2A$2238.A83$2323.A$2322.2A$2322.A.A3$
2318.2A$2317.2A$2319.A87$2416.2A$2415.2A$2417.A9$2417.3A$2417.A$2418.
A95$2524.2A$2524.A.A$2524.A$2518.2A$2517.2A$2519.A95$2625.A$2624.2A$
2624.A.A$2618.2A$2617.2A$2619.A96$2726.A$2725.2A$2717.3A5.A.A$2717.A$
2718.A93$2823.A$2822.2A$2822.A.A3$2817.3A$2817.A$2818.A98$2918.2A7.2A
$2917.2A7.2A$2919.A8.A95$3025.A$3024.2A$3024.A.A$3018.2A$3017.2A$
3019.A98$3117.3A$3117.A$3118.A15$3143.3A$3143.A$3144.A76$3223.A$3222.
2A$3222.A.A3$3217.3A$3217.A$3218.A98$3318.2A7.2A$3317.2A7.2A$3319.A8.
A94$3423.2A$3423.A.A$3423.A2$3417.3A$3417.A$3418.A90$3519.2A$3519.A.A
$3519.A6$3517.3A$3517.A$3518.A96$3625.2A$3624.2A$3617.3A6.A$3617.A$
3618.A98$3718.2A$3717.2A$3719.A7$3737.A$3736.2A$3736.A.A89$3817.3A$
3817.A$3818.A8$3836.3A$3836.A$3837.A83$3922.2A$3922.A.A$3922.A3$3917.
3A$3917.A$3918.A94$4022.3A$4022.A$4023.A2$4018.2A$4017.2A$4019.A98$
4117.3A6.3A$4117.A8.A$4118.A8.A95$4224.2A$4224.A.A$4224.A$4217.3A$
4217.A$4218.A98$4318.2A$4317.2A$4319.A15$4344.2A$4343.2A$4345.A76$
4423.A$4422.2A$4422.A.A3$4417.3A$4417.A$4418.A98$4518.2A7.2A$4517.2A
7.2A$4519.A8.A94$4623.2A$4623.A.A$4623.A2$4617.3A$4617.A$4618.A90$
4719.2A$4719.A.A$4719.A6$4717.3A$4717.A$4718.A87$4816.2A$4815.2A$
4817.A9$4817.3A$4817.A$4818.A95$4924.2A$4924.A.A$4924.A$4918.2A$4917.
2A$4919.A95$5025.A$5024.2A$5024.A.A$5018.2A$5017.2A$5019.A96$5126.A$
5125.2A$5117.3A5.A.A$5117.A$5118.A87$5216.2A$5215.2A$5217.A9$5218.2A$
5217.2A$5219.A77$5307.A$5306.2A$5306.A.A19$5317.3A$5317.A$5318.A77$
5406.2A$5405.2A$5407.A19$5417.3A$5417.A$5418.A90$5518.3A$5518.A$5519.
A6$5517.3A$5517.A$5518.A87$5616.2A$5615.2A$5617.A9$5617.3A$5617.A$
5618.A95$5724.2A$5723.2A$5725.A$5717.3A$5717.A$5718.A92$5821.2A$5821.
A.A$5821.A4$5817.3A$5817.A$5818.A93$5922.2A$5922.A.A$5922.A3$5917.3A$
5917.A$5918.A98$6017.3A$6017.A$6018.A3$6032.2A$6032.A.A$6032.A93$
6117.3A$6117.A$6118.A17$6147.A$6146.2A$6146.A.A75$6222.3A$6222.A$
6223.A2$6218.2A$6217.2A$6219.A71$6300.2A$6299.2A$6301.A25$6317.3A$
6317.A$6318.A93$6423.A$6422.2A$6422.A.A3$6417.3A$6417.A$6418.A98$
6518.2A7.2A$6517.2A7.2A$6519.A8.A94$6623.2A$6623.A.A$6623.A2$6617.3A$
6617.A$6618.A90$6719.2A$6719.A.A$6719.A6$6717.3A$6717.A$6718.A98$
6817.3A$6817.A$6818.A$6830.2A$6829.2A$6831.A91$6923.2A$6923.A.A$6923.
A2$6918.2A$6917.2A$6919.A97$7027.A$7017.3A6.2A$7017.A8.A.A$7018.A87$
7116.2A$7115.2A$7117.A9$7118.2A$7117.2A$7119.A77$7207.A$7206.2A$7206.
A.A19$7217.3A$7217.A$7218.A77$7306.2A$7305.2A$7307.A19$7317.3A$7317.A
$7318.A90$7418.3A$7418.A$7419.A6$7417.3A$7417.A$7418.A96$7525.2A$
7525.A.A$7518.2A5.A$7517.2A$7519.A98$7617.3A$7617.A$7618.A7$7636.2A$
7636.A.A$7636.A89$7718.2A$7717.2A$7719.A8$7737.2A$7736.2A$7738.A83$
7823.A$7822.2A$7822.A.A3$7818.2A$7817.2A$7819.A93$7923.A$7922.2A$
7922.A.A3$7917.3A$7917.A$7918.A98$8018.2A7.2A$8017.2A7.2A$8019.A8.A
94$8123.2A$8123.A.A$8123.A2$8117.3A$8117.A$8118.A90$8219.2A$8219.A.A$
8219.A6$8217.3A$8217.A$8218.A87$8316.2A$8315.2A$8317.A9$8317.3A$8317.
A$8318.A95$8424.2A$8424.A.A$8424.A$8418.2A$8417.2A$8419.A95$8525.A$
8524.2A$8524.A.A$8518.2A$8517.2A$8519.A96$8626.A$8625.2A$8617.3A5.A.A
$8617.A$8618.A87$8716.2A$8715.2A$8717.A9$8718.2A$8717.2A$8719.A77$
8807.A$8806.2A$8806.A.A19$8817.3A$8817.A$8818.A77$8906.2A$8905.2A$
8907.A19$8917.3A$8917.A$8918.A90$9018.3A$9018.A$9019.A6$9017.3A$9017.
A$9018.A93$9123.A$9122.2A$9122.A.A3$9117.3A$9117.A$9118.A98$9218.2A7.
2A$9217.2A7.2A$9219.A8.A94$9323.2A$9323.A.A$9323.A2$9317.3A$9317.A$
9318.A90$9419.2A$9419.A.A$9419.A6$9417.3A$9417.A$9418.A87$9516.2A$
9515.2A$9517.A9$9517.3A$9517.A$9518.A95$9624.2A$9624.A.A$9624.A$9618.
2A$9617.2A$9619.A95$9725.A$9724.2A$9724.A.A$9718.2A$9717.2A$9719.A96$
9826.A$9825.2A$9817.3A5.A.A$9817.A$9818.A87$9915.3A$9915.A$9916.A9$
9917.3A$9917.A$9918.A78$10006.3A$10006.A$10007.A18$10018.2A$10017.2A$
10019.A77$10106.2A$10106.A.A$10106.A19$10118.2A$10117.2A$10119.A90$
10219.2A$10218.2A$10220.A6$10218.2A$10217.2A$10219.A93$10323.A$10322.
2A$10322.A.A3$10317.3A$10317.A$10318.A98$10418.2A7.2A$10417.2A7.2A$
10419.A8.A94$10523.2A$10523.A.A$10523.A2$10517.3A$10517.A$10518.A90$
10619.2A$10619.A.A$10619.A6$10617.3A$10617.A$10618.A96$10725.2A$
10725.A.A$10718.2A5.A$10717.2A$10719.A98$10817.3A$10817.A$10818.A7$
10836.2A$10836.A.A$10836.A89$10918.2A$10917.2A$10919.A8$10937.2A$
10936.2A$10938.A83$11023.A$11022.2A$11022.A.A3$11018.2A$11017.2A$
11019.A87$11116.2A$11115.2A$11117.A9$11117.3A$11117.A$11118.A95$
11224.2A$11224.A.A$11224.A$11218.2A$11217.2A$11219.A95$11325.A$11324.
2A$11324.A.A$11318.2A$11317.2A$11319.A96$11426.A$11425.2A$11417.3A5.A
.A$11417.A$11418.A93$11523.A$11522.2A$11522.A.A3$11517.3A$11517.A$
11518.A98$11618.2A7.2A$11617.2A7.2A$11619.A8.A95$11725.A$11724.2A$
11724.A.A$11718.2A$11717.2A$11719.A98$11817.3A$11817.A$11818.A15$
11843.3A$11843.A$11844.A76$11923.A$11922.2A$11922.A.A3$11917.3A$
11917.A$11918.A98$12018.2A7.2A$12017.2A7.2A$12019.A8.A94$12123.2A$
12123.A.A$12123.A2$12117.3A$12117.A$12118.A90$12219.2A$12219.A.A$
12219.A6$12217.3A$12217.A$12218.A87$12316.2A$12315.2A$12317.A9$12317.
3A$12317.A$12318.A95$12424.2A$12424.A.A$12424.A$12418.2A$12417.2A$
12419.A95$12525.A$12524.2A$12524.A.A$12518.2A$12517.2A$12519.A96$
12626.A$12625.2A$12617.3A5.A.A$12617.A$12618.A93$12723.A$12722.2A$
12722.A.A3$12717.3A$12717.A$12718.A98$12818.2A7.2A$12817.2A7.2A$
12819.A8.A95$12925.A$12924.2A$12924.A.A$12918.2A$12917.2A$12919.A98$
13017.3A$13017.A$13018.A15$13043.3A$13043.A$13044.A76$13123.A$13122.
2A$13122.A.A3$13117.3A$13117.A$13118.A98$13218.2A7.2A$13217.2A7.2A$
13219.A8.A95$13325.A$13324.2A$13324.A.A$13318.2A$13317.2A$13319.A98$
13417.3A$13417.A$13418.A15$13443.3A$13443.A$13444.A76$13523.A$13522.
2A$13522.A.A3$13517.3A$13517.A$13518.A93$13621.3A$13621.A$13622.A3$
13618.2A$13617.2A$13619.A98$13718.2A8.A$13717.2A8.2A$13719.A7.A.A88$
13817.2A$13816.2A$13818.A8$13818.2A$13817.2A$13819.A94$13922.3A$
13922.A$13923.A2$13918.2A$13917.2A$13919.A98$14017.3A6.3A$14017.A8.A$
14018.A8.A95$14124.2A$14124.A.A$14124.A$14117.3A$14117.A$14118.A98$
14218.2A$14217.2A$14219.A15$14244.2A$14243.2A$14245.A76$14323.A$
14322.2A$14322.A.A3$14317.3A$14317.A$14318.A98$14418.2A7.2A$14417.2A
7.2A$14419.A8.A94$14523.2A$14523.A.A$14523.A2$14517.3A$14517.A$14518.
A90$14619.2A$14619.A.A$14619.A6$14617.3A$14617.A$14618.A87$14715.3A$
14715.A$14716.A9$14717.3A$14717.A$14718.A78$14806.3A$14806.A$14807.A
18$14818.2A$14817.2A$14819.A77$14906.2A$14906.A.A$14906.A19$14918.2A$
14917.2A$14919.A90$15019.2A$15018.2A$15020.A6$15018.2A$15017.2A$
15019.A93$15122.2A$15121.2A$15123.A3$15117.3A$15117.A$15118.A89$
15217.3A$15217.A$15218.A7$15217.3A$15217.A$15218.A98$15317.3A$15317.A
10.2A$15318.A8.2A$15329.A83$15412.3A$15412.A$15413.A12$15418.2A$
15417.2A$15419.A93$15522.2A$15521.2A$15523.A3$15517.3A$15517.A$15518.
A89$15617.3A$15617.A$15618.A7$15617.3A$15617.A$15618.A98$15717.3A$
15717.A10.2A$15718.A8.2A$15729.A83$15812.3A$15812.A$15813.A12$15818.
2A$15817.2A$15819.A93$15923.A$15922.2A$15922.A.A3$15917.3A$15917.A$
15918.A98$16018.2A7.2A$16017.2A7.2A$16019.A8.A94$16123.2A$16123.A.A$
16123.A2$16117.3A$16117.A$16118.A90$16219.2A$16219.A.A$16219.A6$
16217.3A$16217.A$16218.A96$16325.2A$16325.A.A$16318.2A5.A$16317.2A$
16319.A98$16417.3A$16417.A$16418.A5$16434.2A$16433.2A$16435.A91$
16518.2A$16517.2A$16519.A9.2A$16529.A.A$16529.A95$16626.2A$16617.3A6.
A.A$16617.A8.A$16618.A93$16723.A$16722.2A$16722.A.A3$16717.3A$16717.A
$16718.A98$16818.2A7.2A$16817.2A7.2A$16819.A8.A94$16923.2A$16923.A.A$
16923.A2$16917.3A$16917.A$16918.A90$17019.2A$17019.A.A$17019.A6$
17017.3A$17017.A$17018.A96$17125.2A$17124.2A$17117.3A6.A$17117.A$
17118.A98$17218.2A$17217.2A$17219.A5$17234.2A$17234.A.A$17234.A91$
17317.3A$17317.A$17318.A10.2A$17328.2A$17330.A95$17427.A$17418.2A6.2A
$17417.2A7.A.A$17419.A!

Now all that's left is the variant construction for a loaf and a toad, over on one side, for when the two glider outputs are needed.

Looks like I'll probably keep this solution to the Construction Stopper problem for the time being, unless something comes along that's obviously much more efficient. Just so I don't lose track of them, the glider-pair recipe looks like this --

ConstructionStopper:e40 e97 o1 e-89 e1 o18 e0 o-6 o-26 e-63 e-65 e-14 e1 o18 e4 e-12 e1 o18 e0 o-6 o11 e56 o58 o0 e-25 o7 o8 e13 e1 o18 o8 e86 e1 o18 e4 e-12 e11 o56 e58 e0 o1 e18 e8 o86 e1 o18 e4 e-12 e-25 o7 o8 e13 o-26 e-63 e-65 e-14 e-25 e7 e-4 e0 e40 e97 o1 e-89 e1 o18 e4 e-12 e31 o3 e17 o-26 e-63 e-65 e-14 o11 e56 o58 o0 e1 o18 e4 e-12 e-25 o7 o8 e13 o-26 e-63 e-65 e-14 e1 o18 e4 e-12 e-25 o7 o8 e13 e-26 o-63 o-65 o-14 e1 o18 e4 e-12 o11 e56 o58 o0 e-25 o7 o8 e13 e1 o18 o8 e86 e1 o18 e4 e-12 e-25 o7 o8 e13 e1 o18 o8 e86 e1 o18 o8 e86 e1 o-3 o20 o-22 o1 e18 e8 o86 e1 o18 e4 e-12 e-26 o-63 o-65 o-14 e-1 e-18 e23 o-39 e-1 e-18 e23 o-39 e1 o18 e4 e-12 o11 e47 o27 e16 e1 o18 e4 e-12 e11 o47 e27 o16

-- and here's the P2 slow-salvo recipe that the above gp-recipe generates:

ConstructionStopper:E-9 E-1 E17 E1 O13 O-11 E11 E-29 E-13 E-47 E-41 O-37 E-43 E-59 E-31 E-39 O-63 O-49 E-31 E-19

The links above are to the scripts that can convert these respective recipes into RLE.

EDIT: It gets a bit expensive when two construction stoppers have to be built on opposite sides of the construction lanes. My standard gp-compiler doesn't work, because it doesn't know enough to worry about elbow-operation reactions hitting already-constructed objects. The last few dozen components had to be chosen and tested by hand. Nothing terribly difficult, but I really don't want to have to rebuild one of these...! Will have to think about how best to explain confined-space constructions to the compiler.

Here's a working model of a Construction Stopper seed recipe with 639 glider pairs. A more thorough search for elbow operations will probably reduce this cost by half, and very likely another 50% improvement is possible with more carefully designed slow salvos. I picked easy splitters, block moves, and object constructions with plenty of space around them -- but there are dozens of degrees of freedom in this recipe, and usually dozens of workable choices for each sub-recipe, so it's a sure thing that I didn't find the most efficient combination.

But it works -- and that's the main thing for the moment!

TwoConstructionStoppers:e-26 o-63 e-52 o44 e1 o18 e0 o-6 e1 o18 o8 e86 e11 e34 e52 e0 o-26 e-63 e-65 e-14 e1 o18 e4 e-12 e1 o18 e0 o-6 o-26 e-63 e-65 e-14 e1 o18 e4 e-12 e-25 o7 o8 e13 o-26 e-63 e-65 e-14 e-25 o7 o8 e13 o-26 e-63 e-65 e-14 e1 o18 e4 e-12 e1 o18 e4 e-12 o-26 e-63 e-65 e-14 e1 o18 e4 e-12 e-25 e7 e-4 e0 o-26 e-63 e-65 e-14 e1 o18 e4 e-12 e1 o18 e0 o-6 o11 e56 o58 o0 e-25 o7 o8 e13 e1 o18 o8 e86 e1 o18 e4 e-12 e11 o56 e58 e0 o1 e18 e8 o86 e1 o18 e4 e-12 e-25 o7 o8 e13 o-26 e-63 e-65 e-14 e-25 e7 e-4 e0 e40 e97 o1 e-89 e1 o18 e4 e-12 e31 o3 e17 o-26 e-63 e-65 e-14 o11 e56 o58 o0 e1 o18 e4 e-12 e-25 o7 o8 e13 o-26 e-63 e-65 e-14 e1 o18 e4 e-12 e-25 o7 o8 e13 e-26 o-63 o-65 o-14 e1 o18 e4 e-12 o11 e56 o58 o0 e-25 o7 o8 e13 e1 o18 o8 e86 e1 o18 e4 e-12 e-25 o7 o8 e13 e1 o18 o8 e86 e1 o18 o8 e86 e1 o-3 o20 o-22 o1 e18 e8 o86 e1 o18 e4 e-12 e-26 o-63 o-65 o-14 o-26 e-63 e-65 e-14 e1 o18 e4 e-12 e1 o18 e4 e-12 o11 e56 o58 o0 e1 o18 e0 o-6 o-26 e-63 e-65 e-14 e1 o18 e0 o-6 o-26 e-63 e-65 e-14 e1 o18 e4 e-12 e-25 e7 e-4 e0 e-26 o-63 o-65 o-14 e1 o18 e4 e-12 e-25 o7 o8 e13 o1 e18 e8 o86 e31 o3 e17 e-26 o-95 e-60 o-26 e-63 e-65 e-14 e1 o18 e0 o-6 e1 o18 e0 o-6 o-26 e-63 e-65 e-14 e1 o18 e4 e-12 e1 o18 e0 o-6 o1 e18 e8 o86 e1 o18 e4 e-12 e-26 o-95 e-60 e1 o18 e0 o-6 e1 o18 e0 o-6 e1 o18 e0 o-6 o11 e56 o58 o0 e1 o18 e0 o-6 e1 o18 e0 o-6 o-26 e-63 e-65 e-14 e1 o18 e4 e-12 e31 o3 e17 e1 o18 o8 e86 e31 o3 e17 e1 o18 o8 e86 e1 o18 e0 o-6 e11 o56 e58 e0 e-1 o3 e-22 o14 e8 e-40 o-97 e-1 o89 o-1 o-18 e0 o6 o26 o63 o65 e14 o-1 o-18 e-4 e12 o-1 o-18 e0 o6 e-11 e-56 o-58 o0 o25 e-7 o-8 o-13 o-1 o-18 o-8 e-86 o-1 o-18 e-4 e12 o-11 o-56 e-58 e0 e-1 e-18 e-8 o-86 o-1 o-18 e-4 e12 o25 e-7 o-8 o-13 o26 o63 o65 e14 o25 o-7 e4 e0 e-40 o-97 e-1 o89 o-1 o-18 e-4 e12 o-31 e-3 o-17 o26 o63 o65 e14 e-11 e-56 o-58 o0 o-1 o-18 e-4 e12 o25 e-7 o-8 o-13 o26 o63 o65 e14 o-1 o-18 e-4 e12 o25 e-7 o-8 o-13 e26 e63 e65 o14 o-1 o-18 e-4 e12 e-11 e-56 o-58 o0 o25 e-7 o-8 o-13 o-1 o-18 o-8 e-86 o-1 o-18 e-4 e12 o25 e-7 o-8 o-13 o-1 o-18 o-8 e-86 o-1 o-18 o-8 e-86 o-1 e3 o-20 o22 e-1 e-18 e-8 o-86 o-1 o-18 e-4 e12 e26 e63 e65 o14 o1 e18 o-23 e39 o1 e18 o-23 e39 o-1 o-18 e-4 e12 e-11 o-47 e-27 e-16 o-31 e-3 o-17 o-1 o-18 e-4 e12 e-26 o-95 e-60 o-1 o-18 e-4 e12 o-1 o-18 e-4 e12 o-1 o-18 e-4 e12 e-26 o-95 e-60 o-31 e-3 o-17 o-1 o-18 e-4 e12 o-26 e-63 o-52 e44 o-1 o-18 e-4 e12 e25 e-7 o4 e-19 o-31  e-26 o-95 e-60 e25 e-7 o4 e-19 o-31 e-26 o-63 e-52 o44 e-25 e7 e-4 e0 e-26 o-63 e-52 o44 o-1 o-18 e-4 e12 o-1 o-18 e-4 e12 o-1 o-18 e-4 e12 o-1 o-18 e-4 e12 e1 o18 e0 o-6 e1 o18 e0 o-6 o11 e47 o27 e16 e1 o18 e4 e-12 e11 o47 e27 o16

The following is a Golly metacell file showing the construction and triggering of the seed. This will the the very last recipe that runs through the construction arm. The output glider will shoot down the eater that blocks the secondary output from the universal constructor/replicator unit.

[M2] (golly 2.5)
#R LifeHistory
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Re: Geminoid Challenge

Postby dvgrn » November 6th, 2013, 8:42 am

Hmm, a minor setback: I worked on the middle third of the replicator a little bit last night -- the "Output Copier" component that reflects a copy of the construction data onto the new memory loop, when the time is right. Unfortunately a still life that I'd been thinking was part of the Output Copier is actually part of the NW replicator unit.

The "Output Stopper" eater has to already exist when a new construction cycle starts -- its job is to block output gliders from the first cycle of the memory loop, and then get destroyed to allow the second-cycle gliders through. But out in the middle where I had put it, the eater gets in the way of the construction of the SE reflector. It will have to move down into the shadow of the NW RU, like so:

x = 914, y = 890, rule = LifeHistory
323.2A$323.2A9$338.2A$338.2A10$318.2A$319.A$316.3A$316.A5$273.A$273.
3A$276.A$275.2A3$239.2D31.A34.A$239.2D29.3A32.3A$269.A34.A$269.2A33.
2A20.2A$259.2A56.2A7.2A$243.A16.A57.A$242.A.A15.A.A55.A.A$242.2A17.2A
4.2A44.2A4.2A$266.A2.A44.A20.2A$267.2A45.A.A18.A$279.2A34.2A16.A.A$
279.2A52.2A6$266.2D$266.2D$265.2A3.2A32.2A$266.A3.A20.2A11.2A$263.3A
5.3A18.A$263.A9.A15.3A35.2A$289.A9.2A26.2A2.2A$299.2A30.A.A$152.2D
179.A$151.ACD157.2A20.2A$151.2A158.A.A2.2A$312.A3.2A2$166.A$101.2D62.
A.A134.2A$101.2D61.A2.A135.A$165.2A133.3A$152.A147.A$150.A.A$151.2A3$
118.2A23.D$117.A2.A20.3D$117.A.A20.D10.A$118.A21.2D8.A.A$150.A2.A2.2A
$151.2A3.2A4$174.2D$106.2A66.2D100.2A$106.2A168.A.A$277.A2$107.A39.A$
106.A.A37.A.A$106.A2.A36.A2.A$107.2A38.2A$185.2B$185.2B5$110.2D$110.D
$108.D.D$108.2D6$130.3A$129.3A11$134.2B30.C$134.2C29.C.C$134.2C28.C2.
C10.D5.2E$134.2B29.2C9.D.D5.2E$177.2D2$173.2C8.D$109.A62.C2.C5.D.D$
107.3A54.C8.2C7.2D$106.A56.C.C$106.2A8.2A45.2C$116.A38.A27.2C$114.A.A
38.3A25.C$114.2A12.2A28.A22.C.C$127.A.A27.2A22.2C10.A$127.A11.A53.3A$
104.2A20.2A9.3A56.A14.A$104.2A30.A58.2A12.3A$136.2A10.2A58.A$85.2A17.
2D42.A59.2A$85.2A17.2D40.A.A$146.2A$123.2A82.2A$123.2A63.2A17.2A$104.
2D82.2A$104.2D5$157.2A32.2A$132.2A23.2A11.2A20.A$133.A36.A18.3A$130.
3A38.3A15.A$95.2A33.A42.A20.2A$95.2A22.2A74.A$119.A.A70.3A$121.A70.A$
121.2A5$185.2A$186.A$186.A.A15.2A$187.2A15.2A12$205.2A$205.A.A$207.A$
207.2A2$8.2A8.A$8.2A6.3A$15.A$2A13.2A$.A$.A.A$2.2A$7.2C186.2A$7.2C2D
184.2A$9.2D3$4.A$3.A.A$3.2A201.2A$185.2A19.A$186.A17.A.A$12.2A172.A.A
15.2A$12.2A173.2A4.A$192.A.A$192.A.A$193.A10.2A$204.A.A$206.A$206.2A$
191.2A$192.A$189.3A$189.A64$89.2A$90.A$90.A.A$91.2A2$106.2A$106.2A2$
97.2C$89.2A6.2C$89.2A5.2D$96.2D2$102.A$101.A.A$94.2A6.2A$95.A$92.3A$
92.A$287.3A$287.A$288.A142$431.3A$431.A$432.A107$872.2A$872.2A6$874.A
$872.3A$871.A$871.2A$856.2A$857.A$857.A.A$858.2A10.A$869.A.A$869.A.A$
870.A4.2A$858.2A15.A.A$857.A.A17.A$857.A19.2A$856.2A2$881.2A$881.A$
879.A.A$879.2A$867.2A$867.2A7$575.3A$575.A$576.A278.2A$856.A$856.A.A$
857.2A11$842.C$841.C.C14.2A15.2A$840.C.C15.2A15.A.A$840.2C35.A$877.2A
6$871.A$869.3A$868.A$868.2A19.2A$874.A15.A$872.3A15.A.A$871.A19.2A$
871.2A3$912.2A$912.2A2$874.2A$855.2A17.2A$855.2A3$854.2A$855.A$852.3A
12.2A$852.A14.A16.2A$868.3A14.A$870.A11.3A$882.A$902.2A$902.2A110$
738.2A$737.2A$739.A57$872.2A$872.2A6$874.A$872.3A$871.A$871.2A$856.2A
$857.A$857.A.A$858.2A10.A$869.A.A$869.A.A$870.A4.2A$858.2A15.A.A$857.
A.A17.A$857.A19.2A$856.2A2$881.2A$881.A$879.A.A$879.2A$867.2A$867.2A
9$855.2A$856.A$856.A.A$857.2A12$858.2A15.2A$858.2A15.A.A$877.A$877.2A
6$871.A$869.3A$868.A$868.2A19.2A$874.A15.A$872.3A15.A.A$871.A19.2A$
871.2A3$912.2A$912.2A2$874.2A$855.2A17.2A$855.2A3$854.2A$855.A$852.3A
12.2A$852.A14.A16.2A$868.3A14.A$870.A11.3A$882.A$902.2A$902.2A!

This doesn't seem to bring up any new problems, except that I'd already finished a recipe for the Output Copier, with (it turns out) half a dozen still lifes in the wrong locations -- and that the construction stopper seed recipe doesn't _quite_ fit with its new neighbors now, so that will have to be revised -- and that the still life count had to go up by one. An extra boat is needed because of the orientation of the new eater seed's trigger glider. Given the advantages of this design, I can live with that... but I'm open to suggestions for optimization as usual!

There's now a way to use either color of glider to shoot down the Output Stopper eater -- while I was rearranging things, I moved the hand block to a place where it could be useful.
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Re: Geminoid Challenge

Postby codeholic » November 6th, 2013, 11:28 am

Speaking about optimizations, I wonder, if one could build a stopper on construction lanes and send a glider in order to remove the output copier stopper, with glider pairs directly, without use of seeds.

Something like

  1. Build a stopper on the first construction lane with some leftovers lying in front of it.
  2. Use the leftovers to build a stopper on the second construction lane with yet some leftovers lying in front of it (could be the same recipe as the first one, but mirrored).
  3. Use the leftovers to send a glider in order to remove the output copier stopper, and at the same time clearing the construction lanes from the leftovers and thus activating the stoppers on the construction lanes.
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Re: Geminoid Challenge

Postby dvgrn » November 6th, 2013, 12:12 pm

codeholic wrote:Speaking about optimizations, I wonder, if one could build a stopper on construction lanes and send a glider in order to remove the output copier stopper, with glider pairs directly, without use of seeds.

That sounds doable, sure. There are lots of ways of solving the suppression problem. The seed method seemed like it would definitely produce a solution, so I've settled on that for now -- but no doubt somewhere out there there's a much more efficient way to do the same thing.

I haven't seen a glider-pair recipe that produces an eater (or a boat-bit catcher) on one of the construction lanes. For your suggestion you'd need that *plus* junk in front of the eater that can be turned back into an elbow. That certainly isn't impossible -- the search space is huge. But it would take some retooling of DOpSearch code, or maybe a new search utility, to dig something like that up.

I'm also looking for elbow splitters and direct *WSS outputs, among other things, so it might be worth doing the coding to be able to find non-standard elbow ops. Another useful collection would be "dirty" elbow operations that throw junk far off to one side or the other. The junk could then be used as targets for slow-salvo construction, so pre-built hand blocks wouldn't be necessary. Or if there are enough junk-producing ops, maybe the junk could be arranged directly into an eater seed with no slow salvos needed.

Really the problem is that there are too many options! A replicator along these general lines could have been built any time since 1996, or certainly since 2003. It's taken a long time to organize a simple one-arm construction toolkit, mostly because using the toolkit means ignoring almost all of a much larger (and perfectly good) search space.
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Re: Geminoid Challenge

Postby codeholic » November 6th, 2013, 12:42 pm

By the way, do you know, if there is documentation for DOpSearch and where Rlife8.dll comes from? I'd like to compile it for Linux or Mac OS X.
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Re: Geminoid Challenge

Postby codeholic » November 6th, 2013, 1:52 pm

dvgrn wrote:An extra boat is needed because of the orientation of the new eater seed's trigger glider.

A barge and a block may be cheaper than two distant boats:
x = 9, y = 11, rule = LifeHistory
7.A$6.A$6.3A$2A$2A3$3.A$2.A.A$3.A.A$4.A!

I'll try to find a corresponding stopper seed for it.

By the way, there is another 2sL seed:
x = 12, y = 12, rule = LifeHistory
10.A$9.A$9.3A4$4.A$3.A.A$4.A.A$5.A$2A$2A!
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Re: Geminoid Challenge

Postby dvgrn » November 6th, 2013, 1:54 pm

codeholic wrote:By the way, do you know, if there is documentation for DOpSearch and where Rlife8.dll comes from? I'd like to compile it for Linux or Mac OS X.

I just sent Paul Chapman another request for source code. He hasn't been paying much attention to Conway's Life topics lately, as far as I can tell, so it may take a while to get anything back.

In other news, I've adjusted the Construction Stopper recipe to be less obtrusive, and as an accidental byproduct it's 150 glider pairs shorter now:

ConstructionStopper2:o-26 e-63 e-65 e-14 e1 o18 e4 e-12 e-25 e7 e-4 e0 o-26 e-63 e-65 e-14 e1 o18 e4 e-12 e1 o18 e0 o-6 o11 e56 o58 o0 e-25 o7 o8 e13 e1 o18 o8 e86 e1 o18 e4 e-12 e11 o56 e58 e0 o1 e18 e8 o86 e1 o18 e4 e-12 e-25 o7 o8 e13 o-26 e-63 e-65 e-14 e-25 e7 e-4 e0 e40 e97 o1 e-89 e1 o18 e4 e-12 e31 o3 e17 o-26 e-63 e-65 e-14 o11 e56 o58 o0 e1 o18 e4 e-12 e-25 o7 o8 e13 o-26 e-63 e-65 e-14 e1 o18 e4 e-12 e-25 o7 o8 e13 e-26 o-63 o-65 o-14 e1 o18 e4 e-12 o11 e56 o58 o0 e-25 o7 o8 e13 e1 o18 o8 e86 e1 o18 e4 e-12 e-25 o7 o8 e13 e1 o18 o8 e86 e1 o18 o8 e86 e1 o-3 o20 o-22 o1 e18 e8 o86 e1 o18 e4 e-12 e-26 o-63 o-65 o-14 e31 o3 e17 e-26 o-63 e-52 o44 o-26 e-63 e-65 e-14 e1 o18 e4 e-12 e31 o3 e17 o1 e18 e8 o86 e-25 e6 o-23 o37 o-4 e31 o3 e17 o-26 e-63 e-65 e-14 e1 o18 e4 e-12 e31 o3 e17 e1 o18 o8 e86 e31 o3 e17 e1 o18 o8 e86 e1 o18 e0 o-6 e11 o56 e58 e0 e-1 o3 e-22 o14 e8 e-40 o-97 e-1 o89 o-1 o-18 e0 o6 o26 o63 o65 e14 o-1 o-18 e-4 e12 o-1 o-18 e0 o6 e-11 e-56 o-58 o0 o25 e-7 o-8 o-13 o-1 o-18 o-8 e-86 o-1 o-18 e-4 e12 o-11 o-56 e-58 e0 e-1 e-18 e-8 o-86 o-1 o-18 e-4 e12 o25 e-7 o-8 o-13 o26 o63 o65 e14 o25 o-7 e4 e0 e-40 o-97 e-1 o89 o-1 o-18 e-4 e12 o-31 e-3 o-17 o26 o63 o65 e14 e-11 e-56 o-58 o0 o-1 o-18 e-4 e12 o25 e-7 o-8 o-13 o26 o63 o65 e14 o-1 o-18 e-4 e12 o25 e-7 o-8 o-13 e26 e63 e65 o14 o-1 o-18 e-4 e12 e-11 e-56 o-58 o0 o25 e-7 o-8 o-13 o-1 o-18 o-8 e-86 o-1 o-18 e-4 e12 o25 e-7 o-8 o-13 o-1 o-18 o-8 e-86 o-1 o-18 o-8 e-86 o-1 e3 o-20 o22 e-1 e-18 e-8 o-86 o-1 o-18 e-4 e12 e26 e63 e65 o14 o1 e18 o-23 e39 o1 e18 o-23 e39 o-1 o-18 e-4 e12 e-11 o-47 e-27 e-16 o-31 e-3 o-17 o-1 o-18 e-4 e12 e-26 o-95 e-60 o-1 o-18 e-4 e12 o-1 o-18 e-4 e12 o-1 o-18 e-4 e12 e-26 o-95 e-60 o-31 e-3 o-17 o-1 o-18 e-4 e12 o-26 e-63 o-52 e44 o-1 o-18 e-4 e12 e25 e-7 o4 e-19 o-31  e-26 o-95 e-60 e25 e-7 o4 e-19 o-31 e-26 o-63 e-52 o44 e-25 e7 e-4 e0 e-26 o-63 e-52 o44 o-1 o-18 e-4 e12 o-1 o-18 e-4 e12 o-1 o-18 e-4 e12 o-1 o-18 e-4 e12 e1 o18 e0 o-6 e1 o18 e0 o-6 o11 e47 o27 e16 e1 o18 e4 e-12 e11 o47 e27 o16

This version expects four hand blocks instead of two --

x = 61, y = 75, rule = LifeHistory
22.2E$22.2E22$2C$2C2$39.2E$39.2E13$59.2E$59.2E32$5.2E$5.2E!

-- but it should be easy enough to build them in passing before the SE reflector construction. They're pretty well out of the way of all the later SE-traveling salvos, since most of them are backstopped by the NW replicator unit anyway. The next test pattern, with construction recipes for everything except the NW RU, will be coming along... sometime or other, when I can find another spare hour.
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Re: Geminoid Challenge

Postby dvgrn » November 6th, 2013, 2:16 pm

codeholic wrote:
dvgrn wrote:An extra boat is needed because of the orientation of the new eater seed's trigger glider.

A barge and a block may be cheaper than two distant boats...

These look like they'll definitely come in handy, but I don't think they'll be cheaper than the boats. I can move the pair of boats right over next to the Output Copier circuitry, but still with plenty of space around them, and build them at the same time. So they'll be almost as cheap as single blocks.

I had a quick look at my not-yet-organized database of object constructions. There are several hundred direct constructions of barge+block, including dozens of near misses:

x = 1076, y = 1073, rule = LifeHistory
2E$2E19$24.3A$24.A$25.A148$170.3A$170.A$171.A148$330.2A$329.2A$331.A
148$482.3A$482.A$483.A148$621.3A$621.A$622.A148$762.2A$761.2A$763.A
148$915.2A$914.2A$916.A148$1073.3A$1073.A$1074.A!

But Murphy's Law so far seems to be doing a good job at keeping really good lucky finds just out of reach. Sour grapes -- something like this would only have worked for two orientations of the barge+block constellation, anyway, and no doubt it would have turned out to be the wrong two...!

EDIT: Spoke too soon -- here's a cheap construction for two orientations of the backward MWSS seed, anyway:

#C bargeA block:E-9 E-15 O-17 E-31 O-11 E-35 O-17
x = 914, y = 923, rule = LifeHistory
2E$2E19$15.3A$15.A$16.A148$162.3A$162.A$163.A148$312.2A$311.2A$313.A
148$454.3A$454.A$455.A148$615.2A$614.2A$616.A148$752.3A$752.A$753.A
148$912.2A$911.2A$913.A!

And here's the forward LWSS seed, for a trigger glider from the opposite direction, with an "option to continue":

#C bargeB block:E9 E1 O-15 E-19 E3 E9 O1 O49 E-19
x = 1213, y = 1223, rule = LifeHistory
2E$2E19$24.3A$24.A$25.A148$170.3A$170.A$171.A148$313.2A$312.2A$314.A
148$460.3A$460.A$461.A148$621.3A$621.A$622.A148$774.3A$774.A$775.A
148$921.2A$920.2A$922.A148$1095.2A$1094.2A$1096.A148$1210.3A$1210.A$
1211.A!
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Re: Geminoid Challenge

Postby Extrementhusiast » November 6th, 2013, 6:16 pm

Extrementhusiast wrote:
dvgrn wrote:For now I'll call these hypothetical OTTs "BT-Spartan" (Better Than Spartan). The name probably won't stick, but you never know until you try...!


Pseudo-Spartan, perhaps?

Actually, we might be able to get away with Athenian still lifes.
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Re: Geminoid Challenge

Postby codeholic » November 7th, 2013, 2:42 am

dvgrn wrote:Looks like I'll probably keep this solution to the Construction Stopper problem for the time being, unless something comes along that's obviously much more efficient.

x = 141, y = 137, rule = LifeHistory
109.A$108.A.A$108.A2.A$109.2A3$106.2A$106.A.A$107.A2$98.2A$97.A2.A$
98.A.A$99.A9$128.A$129.A$111.2D14.3A$111.D$109.D.D$109.2D$116.D$114.
3D21.A$113.D23.A.A$113.2D22.A2.A$133.A4.2A$132.A.A$133.2A6$128.2A$
127.A2.A$128.A.A$129.A91$3A6.3A$2.A8.A$.A8.A!

I warned you, that my gencols search had been still running :roll:
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Re: Geminoid Challenge

Postby dvgrn » November 7th, 2013, 7:04 pm

codeholic wrote:I warned you, that my gencols search had been still running...

Wow! 15hd clearance, and perfectly symmetrical, and no problem with the elbow staying beyond the eaters.

I suppose this counts as another minor setback, but in a good way: I hadn't gotten around yet to building the two extra hand blocks for my revised Construction Stopper design, so gencols has come through just in time. Thanks!

The glider-pair recipe is down to 253 base pairs, starting from three easy-to-construct still lifes. And I'm sure that's far from the minimum. I wasn't careful enough about picking the construction reactions, so some intermediate targets drifted to within 4hd clearance, meaning that less efficient low-clearance elbow operations had to be used for part of the construction.

The compiler doesn't yet know about the full range of possible elbow operations, anyway -- I've done some partial 5-cycle searches that should already at least double the options for glider outputs. There are certainly enormous numbers of 6- to 8-cycle elbow ops out there, too, if I can just manage to get a search to reach them without running out of memory...!

NewConstructionStopper:e-40 o-97 e-1 o89 o-1 o-18 e-4 e12 e-40 o-97 e-1 o89 o-1 o-18 e-17 o58 o-1 o-18 e0 o6 o-40 e-97 o-1 e89 o-31 e-3 o-17 o-25 o7 o-4 o0 o-1 o-18 e-4 e12 e-40 o-97 e-1 o89 o-1 o-18 e-4 e12 o-25 o7 o-4 o0 o-40 e-97 o-1 e89 o-1 o-18 e-4 e12 o-1 o-18 e-4 e12 o-25 o7 o-4 o0 o-40 e-97 o-1 e89 o-1 o-18 e-17 o58 o-1 o-18 e0 o6 o-40 e-97 o-1 e89 o-25 o7 o-4 o0 o-1 o-18 o-8 e-86 o-1 o-18 e0 o6 e-11 o-47 e-27 e-16 o-31 e-3 o-17 o-25 o7 o-4 o0 o-1 o-18 e-4 e12 e-40 o-97 e-1 o89 o-25 e7 e8 o13 e-40 o-97 e-1 o89 o-1 o-18 e-4 e12 e-1 e-18 e-8 o-86 o-25 e7 e8 o13 e-1 e-18 e-8 o-86 o-31 e-3 o-17 e-1 e-18 e-8 o-86 o-31 e-3 o-17 o-25 o7 o-4 o0 o-1 o-18 e-4 e12 o-40 e-97 o-1 e89 o25 e-7 o4 e-19 o-31 e25 e-7 o4 o0 e11 o47 e27 o16 o11 e47 o27 e16 e31 o3 e17 e25 e-7 o4 o0 e1 o18 e4 e-12 e40 e97 o1 e-89 e1 e-59 e52 o-44 o-26 e-63 e-65 e-14 e25 e-7 e4 e51e25 e-7 e4 e51 e1 o18 e4 e-12 o1 e18 e8 o86 e25 o-7 e-8 e-13 o1 e18 e8 o86 e31 o3 e17 o1 e18 e8 o86 e31 o3 e17 e25 e-7 o4 o0 e1 o18 e4 e-12 o40 o97 e1 o-89 e31 o3 e17 e1 o18 e4 e-12 e11 o47 e27 o16

Here's the RLE showing the three initial still lifes:

x = 25234, y = 25232, rule = LifeHistory
27.2E$27.2E3$33.2E$32.E2.E$32.E.E$5.2E26.E$5.2E6$17.2A$17.A.A$17.A13$
22.3A$2E20.A$2E21.A69$103.2A$103.A.A$103.A27$123.2A$122.2A$124.A93$
227.2A$226.2A$228.A3$222.3A$222.A$223.A98$323.2A$322.2A$324.A16$349.
3A$349.A$350.A75$427.2A$427.A.A$427.A3$423.2A$422.2A$424.A89$523.2A$
522.2A$524.A7$523.2A$522.2A$524.A92$626.2A$626.A.A$626.A4$622.3A$622.
A$623.A96$730.2A$730.A.A$722.3A5.A$722.A$723.A83$817.2A$817.A.A$817.A
13$822.3A$822.A$823.A69$903.2A$903.A.A$903.A27$923.2A$922.2A$924.A93$
1027.2A$1026.2A$1028.A3$1022.3A$1022.A$1023.A98$1123.2A$1122.2A$1124.
A16$1149.3A$1149.A$1150.A75$1227.2A$1227.A.A$1227.A3$1223.2A$1222.2A$
1224.A89$1323.2A$1322.2A$1324.A7$1323.2A$1322.2A$1324.A89$1423.2A$
1422.2A$1424.A7$1422.3A$1422.A$1423.A98$1523.2A$1522.2A$1524.A8$1542.
2A$1541.2A$1543.A83$1627.2A$1627.A.A$1627.A3$1623.2A$1622.2A$1624.A
89$1723.2A$1722.2A$1724.A7$1723.2A$1722.2A$1724.A93$1827.2A$1827.A.A$
1827.A3$1822.3A$1822.A$1823.A95$1929.2A$1928.2A$1930.A$1923.2A$1922.
2A$1924.A83$2018.A$2017.2A$2017.A.A13$2023.2A$2022.2A$2024.A69$2103.
2A$2102.2A$2104.A27$2122.3A$2122.A$2123.A93$2227.2A$2227.A.A$2227.A3$
2223.2A$2222.2A$2224.A98$2322.3A$2322.A$2323.A15$2350.A$2349.2A$2349.
A.A69$2419.3A$2419.A$2420.A10$2423.2A$2422.2A$2424.A92$2527.A$2526.2A
$2526.A.A4$2522.3A$2522.A$2523.A89$2623.2A$2623.A.A$2623.A7$2623.2A$
2622.2A$2624.A87$2721.2A$2721.A.A$2721.A9$2723.2A$2722.2A$2724.A95$
2829.2A$2829.A.A$2829.A$2823.2A$2822.2A$2824.A92$2927.A$2926.2A$2926.
A.A4$2923.2A$2922.2A$2924.A93$3028.A$3027.2A$3027.A.A3$3023.2A$3022.
2A$3024.A93$3127.2A$3127.A.A$3127.A3$3123.2A$3122.2A$3124.A89$3223.2A
$3222.2A$3224.A7$3223.2A$3222.2A$3224.A92$3326.2A$3326.A.A$3326.A4$
3322.3A$3322.A$3323.A96$3430.2A$3430.A.A$3422.3A5.A$3422.A$3423.A83$
3517.2A$3517.A.A$3517.A13$3522.3A$3522.A$3523.A69$3603.2A$3603.A.A$
3603.A27$3623.2A$3622.2A$3624.A93$3727.2A$3726.2A$3728.A3$3722.3A$
3722.A$3723.A98$3823.2A$3822.2A$3824.A16$3849.3A$3849.A$3850.A75$
3927.2A$3927.A.A$3927.A3$3923.2A$3922.2A$3924.A89$4023.2A$4022.2A$
4024.A7$4023.2A$4022.2A$4024.A92$4126.2A$4126.A.A$4126.A4$4122.3A$
4122.A$4123.A96$4230.2A$4230.A.A$4222.3A5.A$4222.A$4223.A87$4321.2A$
4321.A.A$4321.A9$4323.2A$4322.2A$4324.A95$4429.2A$4429.A.A$4429.A$
4423.2A$4422.2A$4424.A92$4527.A$4526.2A$4526.A.A4$4523.2A$4522.2A$
4524.A93$4628.A$4627.2A$4627.A.A3$4623.2A$4622.2A$4624.A83$4718.A$
4717.2A$4717.A.A13$4723.2A$4722.2A$4724.A69$4803.2A$4802.2A$4804.A27$
4822.3A$4822.A$4823.A93$4927.2A$4927.A.A$4927.A3$4923.2A$4922.2A$
4924.A98$5022.3A$5022.A$5023.A15$5050.A$5049.2A$5049.A.A76$5127.2A$
5127.A.A$5127.A3$5123.2A$5122.2A$5124.A89$5223.2A$5222.2A$5224.A7$
5223.2A$5222.2A$5224.A92$5326.2A$5326.A.A$5326.A4$5322.3A$5322.A$
5323.A96$5430.2A$5430.A.A$5422.3A5.A$5422.A$5423.A93$5527.2A$5527.A.A
$5527.A3$5523.2A$5522.2A$5524.A89$5623.2A$5622.2A$5624.A7$5623.2A$
5622.2A$5624.A92$5726.2A$5726.A.A$5726.A4$5722.3A$5722.A$5723.A96$
5830.2A$5830.A.A$5822.3A5.A$5822.A$5823.A87$5921.2A$5921.A.A$5921.A9$
5923.2A$5922.2A$5924.A95$6029.2A$6029.A.A$6029.A$6023.2A$6022.2A$
6024.A92$6127.A$6126.2A$6126.A.A4$6123.2A$6122.2A$6124.A93$6228.A$
6227.2A$6227.A.A3$6223.2A$6222.2A$6224.A83$6318.A$6317.2A$6317.A.A13$
6323.2A$6322.2A$6324.A69$6403.2A$6402.2A$6404.A27$6422.3A$6422.A$
6423.A93$6527.2A$6527.A.A$6527.A3$6523.2A$6522.2A$6524.A98$6622.3A$
6622.A$6623.A15$6650.A$6649.2A$6649.A.A76$6727.2A$6727.A.A$6727.A3$
6723.2A$6722.2A$6724.A89$6823.2A$6822.2A$6824.A7$6823.2A$6822.2A$
6824.A89$6923.2A$6922.2A$6924.A7$6922.3A$6922.A$6923.A98$7023.2A$
7022.2A$7024.A8$7042.2A$7041.2A$7043.A83$7127.2A$7127.A.A$7127.A3$
7123.2A$7122.2A$7124.A89$7223.2A$7222.2A$7224.A7$7223.2A$7222.2A$
7224.A93$7327.2A$7327.A.A$7327.A3$7322.3A$7322.A$7323.A95$7429.2A$
7428.2A$7430.A$7423.2A$7422.2A$7424.A83$7518.A$7517.2A$7517.A.A13$
7523.2A$7522.2A$7524.A69$7603.2A$7602.2A$7604.A27$7622.3A$7622.A$
7623.A93$7727.2A$7727.A.A$7727.A3$7723.2A$7722.2A$7724.A98$7822.3A$
7822.A$7823.A15$7850.A$7849.2A$7849.A.A70$7921.2A$7921.A.A$7921.A9$
7923.2A$7922.2A$7924.A95$8029.2A$8029.A.A$8029.A$8023.2A$8022.2A$
8024.A92$8127.A$8126.2A$8126.A.A4$8123.2A$8122.2A$8124.A93$8228.A$
8227.2A$8227.A.A3$8223.2A$8222.2A$8224.A93$8327.2A$8327.A.A$8327.A3$
8323.2A$8322.2A$8324.A89$8423.2A$8422.2A$8424.A7$8423.2A$8422.2A$
8424.A91$8526.A$8525.2A$8525.A.A5$8523.2A$8522.2A$8524.A72$8605.3A$
8605.A$8606.A24$8622.3A$8622.A$8623.A93$8727.2A$8727.A.A$8727.A3$
8723.2A$8722.2A$8724.A89$8823.2A$8822.2A$8824.A7$8823.2A$8822.2A$
8824.A93$8927.2A$8927.A.A$8927.A3$8922.3A$8922.A$8923.A95$9029.2A$
9028.2A$9030.A$9023.2A$9022.2A$9024.A90$9125.A$9124.2A$9124.A.A6$
9122.3A$9122.A$9123.A82$9215.3A$9215.A$9216.A14$9223.2A$9222.2A$9224.
A86$9321.A$9320.2A$9320.A.A10$9322.3A$9322.A$9323.A89$9423.2A$9423.A.
A$9423.A7$9422.3A$9422.A$9423.A86$9519.3A$9519.A$9520.A10$9523.2A$
9522.2A$9524.A92$9627.A$9626.2A$9626.A.A4$9622.3A$9622.A$9623.A89$
9723.2A$9723.A.A$9723.A7$9723.2A$9722.2A$9724.A87$9821.2A$9821.A.A$
9821.A9$9823.2A$9822.2A$9824.A95$9929.2A$9929.A.A$9929.A$9923.2A$
9922.2A$9924.A92$10027.A$10026.2A$10026.A.A4$10023.2A$10022.2A$10024.
A93$10128.A$10127.2A$10127.A.A3$10123.2A$10122.2A$10124.A93$10227.2A$
10227.A.A$10227.A3$10223.2A$10222.2A$10224.A89$10323.2A$10322.2A$
10324.A7$10323.2A$10322.2A$10324.A92$10426.2A$10426.A.A$10426.A4$
10422.3A$10422.A$10423.A96$10530.2A$10530.A.A$10522.3A5.A$10522.A$
10523.A83$10617.2A$10617.A.A$10617.A13$10622.3A$10622.A$10623.A69$
10703.2A$10703.A.A$10703.A27$10723.2A$10722.2A$10724.A93$10827.2A$
10826.2A$10828.A3$10822.3A$10822.A$10823.A98$10923.2A$10922.2A$10924.
A16$10949.3A$10949.A$10950.A69$11021.2A$11021.A.A$11021.A9$11023.2A$
11022.2A$11024.A95$11129.2A$11128.2A$11130.A$11122.3A$11122.A$11123.A
95$11229.2A$11229.A.A$11229.A$11222.3A$11222.A$11223.A97$11330.3A$
11323.2A5.A$11322.2A7.A$11324.A83$11417.2A$11417.A.A$11417.A13$11422.
3A$11422.A$11423.A69$11503.2A$11503.A.A$11503.A27$11523.2A$11522.2A$
11524.A93$11627.2A$11626.2A$11628.A3$11622.3A$11622.A$11623.A98$
11723.2A$11722.2A$11724.A16$11749.3A$11749.A$11750.A75$11827.2A$
11827.A.A$11827.A3$11823.2A$11822.2A$11824.A89$11923.2A$11922.2A$
11924.A7$11923.2A$11922.2A$11924.A92$12026.2A$12026.A.A$12026.A4$
12022.3A$12022.A$12023.A96$12130.2A$12130.A.A$12122.3A5.A$12122.A$
12123.A93$12227.2A$12226.2A$12228.A3$12222.3A$12222.A$12223.A89$
12322.3A$12322.A$12323.A7$12322.3A$12322.A$12323.A91$12425.2A$12425.A
.A$12425.A5$12422.3A$12422.A$12423.A72$12506.2A$12505.2A$12507.A24$
12523.2A$12522.2A$12524.A87$12621.2A$12621.A.A$12621.A9$12623.2A$
12622.2A$12624.A95$12729.2A$12728.2A$12730.A$12722.3A$12722.A$12723.A
95$12829.2A$12829.A.A$12829.A$12822.3A$12822.A$12823.A97$12930.3A$
12923.2A5.A$12922.2A7.A$12924.A93$13027.2A$13026.2A$13028.A3$13022.3A
$13022.A$13023.A89$13122.3A$13122.A$13123.A7$13122.3A$13122.A$13123.A
91$13225.2A$13225.A.A$13225.A5$13222.3A$13222.A$13223.A72$13306.2A$
13305.2A$13307.A24$13323.2A$13322.2A$13324.A86$13419.3A$13419.A$
13420.A10$13423.2A$13422.2A$13424.A92$13527.A$13526.2A$13526.A.A4$
13522.3A$13522.A$13523.A89$13623.2A$13623.A.A$13623.A7$13623.2A$
13622.2A$13624.A93$13727.2A$13726.2A$13728.A3$13722.3A$13722.A$13723.
A89$13822.3A$13822.A$13823.A7$13822.3A$13822.A$13823.A91$13925.2A$
13925.A.A$13925.A5$13922.3A$13922.A$13923.A72$14006.2A$14005.2A$
14007.A24$14023.2A$14022.2A$14024.A86$14119.3A$14119.A$14120.A10$
14123.2A$14122.2A$14124.A92$14227.A$14226.2A$14226.A.A4$14222.3A$
14222.A$14223.A89$14323.2A$14323.A.A$14323.A7$14323.2A$14322.2A$
14324.A87$14421.2A$14421.A.A$14421.A9$14423.2A$14422.2A$14424.A95$
14529.2A$14529.A.A$14529.A$14523.2A$14522.2A$14524.A92$14627.A$14626.
2A$14626.A.A4$14623.2A$14622.2A$14624.A93$14728.A$14727.2A$14727.A.A
3$14723.2A$14722.2A$14724.A93$14827.2A$14827.A.A$14827.A3$14823.2A$
14822.2A$14824.A89$14923.2A$14922.2A$14924.A7$14923.2A$14922.2A$
14924.A92$15026.2A$15026.A.A$15026.A4$15022.3A$15022.A$15023.A96$
15130.2A$15130.A.A$15122.3A5.A$15122.A$15123.A83$15218.A$15217.2A$
15217.A.A13$15223.2A$15222.2A$15224.A69$15303.2A$15302.2A$15304.A27$
15322.3A$15322.A$15323.A93$15427.2A$15427.A.A$15427.A3$15423.2A$
15422.2A$15424.A98$15522.3A$15522.A$15523.A15$15550.A$15549.2A$15549.
A.A81$15623.2A$15622.2A$15624.A8.3A$15633.A$15634.A89$15726.A$15725.
2A$15725.A.A5$15722.3A$15722.A$15723.A94$15829.A$15828.2A$15828.A.A2$
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Re: Geminoid Challenge

Postby codeholic » November 8th, 2013, 6:29 am

dvgrn wrote:Given the advantages of this design, I can live with that... but I'm open to suggestions for optimization as usual!

Speaking about optimizations again... :roll: I thought that Output Copier could actually play the role of SE Reflector, if one could modify it in the way, that it could receive input from two directions (is it possible?), and build a Replication Unit in place of SE Reflector. This design would make the replicator glide-symmetric. I'm not sure, if another recipe would be needed for building a grandchild (probably not), but as far as I understand the current replicator design, there is a place to encode this recipe in, since for now only every second glider is being expressed. This design could save a whole Silver reflector to be built and also it would make the replicator two times faster, because the RU wouldn't need to wait until the glider stream comes back from the reflector.
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Re: Geminoid Challenge

Postby dvgrn » November 8th, 2013, 9:00 am

codeholic wrote:Speaking about optimizations again... :roll: I thought that Output Copier could actually play the role of SE Reflector, if one could modify it in the way, that it could receive input from two directions (is it possible?)

I have to read and think about this very carefully, because I've been going over Geminoid designs for a couple years now and tend to think that I've already thought of everything -- even though no doubt I haven't!

It's absolutely possible to make a Geminoid replicator unit that can receive input from two directions. The only problem is that the additional circuitry is pretty big. In the simplest form that I've been able to find, the extra circuit looks like... a Silver reflector. You can't even use something expensive like a Snark, because somewhere a glider path needs to be transparent to allow the two perpendicular data streams to merge.

There is one of Guam's tandem-glider components that's naturally transparent, so if you use tandem gliders instead of plain gliders in the memory loop, there's definitely potential to save Silver reflectors there -- and also tighten up the spacing between signals. However, what you gain in the Silver reflectors you lose in the Herschel splitters -- or so I've found so far, at least...

codeholic wrote:... and build a Replication Unit in place of SE Reflector. This design would make the replicator glide-symmetric. I'm not sure, if another recipe would be needed for building a grandchild (probably not),...

Right up until the most recent replicator design, most of the Geminoids I've worked on have either been glide-symmetric or have had two exact copies of the same replicator unit at the two ends. This followed right along with the the new ideas in the original Gemini spaceship.

That meant they either had to travel on an exact diagonal (the "Demonoid" design that has gotten the most attention, e.g., in Paul Chapman's Seeds of Destruction Game), or they were bigger because they needed two different circuits to accept signals from the NW and SE, or they needed merge circuits (see above), or they needed different recipes at the NW and SE ends (see below).

It's possible to design an oblique Geminoid that still re-uses the same recipe at both ends, even though the two construction arms have to bend in opposite directions -- but it takes extra circuitry to get the glider pairs to have the same timing at both ends. Even if you keep the glider pairs in two separate channels instead of encoding them, you tend to end up with differences in timing because each glider in the pair has to be routed to the opposite construction-arm lane in the SE from the one it goes to in the NW:

#C earlier Geminoid design that never saw the light of day
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codeholic wrote:... but as far as I understand the current replicator design, there is a place to encode this recipe in, since for now only every second glider is being expressed.

You're absolutely right! There's a huge amount of potential for this encoding method to do very interesting things -- build two completely different-looking replicator units at the two ends of a Geminoid, and so on. Or something I'd really like to see is a diamond-shaped Geminoid, where the encoded gliders are in groups of eight, and each pair runs the replicator unit at a different corner of the diamond.

That might end up being the first Geminoid design that has few enough hashtiles that Golly could really "run away" with it. It might even be possible to make a 2D replicator out of a design like that, where the two loops slowly separate from each other, and the next replication cycle doesn't start until the two are safely distant from each other. That would nicely mimic DNA replication in bacteria, which have circular chromosomes.

However, the coding inefficiency of the current replicator design is only temporary. Once the entire recipe is done, I can fold it over on itself and get rid of the non-coding base pairs. Just have to make sure that there's an odd number of glider pairs in the loop, and that's easy to do by substituting in an N+1gp move recipe for an Ngp one somewhere, if necessary.

So I still have some hope of building a linear replicator that fits in a smaller bounding box than the original Gemini spaceship (as well as having a much much smaller population).
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