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Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries

Postby mniemiec » January 25th, 2018, 8:00 am

AforAmpere wrote:Could this be used to more efficiently synthesize 16.30? ... There is a honeyfarm predecessor, a pi, a weird corruption I don't know how to synthesize, and a boat.

One way to make the top thing is from generation 7 of a glider-tub collision; unfortunately, it forms upwards, so you would need to also edge-shoot the pi upwards (and I don't know of any way to do that).
x = 26, y = 6, rule = B3/S23
23b3o$5bo15boo$4bobo14booboo$3obbo$bbo$bo!
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Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries

Postby 2718281828 » January 25th, 2018, 9:34 am

mniemiec wrote:One way to make the top thing is from generation 7 of a glider-tub collision; unfortunately, it forms upwards, so you would need to also edge-shoot the pi upwards (and I don't know of any way to do that).
x = 26, y = 6, rule = B3/S23
23b3o$5bo15boo$4bobo14booboo$3obbo$bbo$bo!

This top thing is also part of the actual pufferfish synthesis. There are several 3 glider options for them, e.g. :
x = 126, y = 44, rule = B3/S23
4$19bo$20b2o$19b2o$40bo$40bobo4bo$18b3o19b2o4bo$20bo25b3o$9b2o8bo$10b
2o29b3o$9bo33bo$42bo$71bobo$71b2o$72bo2$98bobo$99b2o$99bo3$98b3o$16bo
15bo67bo$17bo12bobo66bo$9b3o3b3o13b2o2bo33bo$11bo22bo35bo$10bo23b3o31b
3o$14b2o$13b2o$15bo20b2o29b3o$35b2o32bo29b2o$37bo30bo29b2o$100bo!

But I am not sure if they are of any use here.
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Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries

Postby Goldtiger997 » January 25th, 2018, 9:42 am

AforAmpere wrote:Could this be used to more efficiently synthesize 16.30?
x = 25, y = 29, rule = B3/S23
8$15b3o$13b2o$13b2ob2o3$16bo$16b2o$18bo$16b2o$16bo6$7b2o3b3o$7bobo3bob
o$8bo$14bo!

There is a honeyfarm predecessor, a pi, a weird corruption I don't know how to synthesize, and a boat.

Here's a synthesis in 11 gliders:

x = 49, y = 70, rule = B3/S23
bo$2bo$3o6$9bo$7bobo$8b2o$19bo$18bo$18b3o$10bo$8bobo$9b2o2$20bo$20bobo
$20b2o5$17bo$9bo6b2o$10bo5bobo$8b3o4$6bo$4bobo2b2o$5b2ob2o$10bo3$20bo$
19b2o$19bobo27$46b2o$46bobo$46bo!


The were a lot of 3-glider syntheses for the junk at the top.
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Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries

Postby BobShemyakin » January 25th, 2018, 2:03 pm

Goldtiger997 wrote:
AforAmpere wrote:Could this be used to more efficiently synthesize 16.30?
x = 25, y = 29, rule = B3/S23
8$15b3o$13b2o$13b2ob2o3$16bo$16b2o$18bo$16b2o$16bo6$7b2o3b3o$7bobo3bob
o$8bo$14bo!

There is a honeyfarm predecessor, a pi, a weird corruption I don't know how to synthesize, and a boat.

Here's a synthesis in 11 gliders:

x = 49, y = 70, rule = B3/S23
bo$2bo$3o6$9bo$7bobo$8b2o$19bo$18bo$18b3o$10bo$8bobo$9b2o2$20bo$20bobo
$20b2o5$17bo$9bo6b2o$10bo5bobo$8b3o4$6bo$4bobo2b2o$5b2ob2o$10bo3$20bo$
19b2o$19bobo27$46b2o$46bobo$46bo!


The were a lot of 3-glider syntheses for the junk at the top.

Here's a synthesis in 9 gliders:
x = 52, y = 34, rule = B3/S23
30bobo$30b2o$31bo$2bo$obo$b2o2$48b2o$49bo$48bo$48b2o$16b2o33bo$12b2o2b
obo29b4o$13b2obo31bo$12bo36bo$50bo$2b3o44b2o$4bo$3bo4$10b3o$12bo16b2o$
11bo17bobo$29bo3$22bo$21b2o$21bobo$9b2o$10b2o$9bo!

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Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries

Postby nokangaroo » January 30th, 2018, 11:14 pm

As suggested, I post my $boring_useless_stuff here from now on.
Smaller p80 glider gun

The get_area.py script suggests p00448_4, but this one is actually smaller (and
the scripts finds it when you put it in "test"):
x = 70, y = 50, rule = LifeHistory
35.A.A$35.2A.A.2A$38.2A.A$35.2A$35.A.4A$37.AB2.A$36.BA.2A.A.2A$28.2A
6.BA3B.A.2A$27.A2.A5.B2A.2BA8.2A.A$26.A2.A.2B7.BA.3A4.A.A.3A11.2A$23.
A2.3A.2AB3.B2AB.BA2.A3.A2.A4.A9.A.A$15.A.2A4.3A3.3AB3.BA.BA3.A5.3A3.A
.B.A.B2A2.A$2A11.3A.A.A6.2A.B2A4.BA.A.3A11.A.6A3B2A$A.A9.A4.A2.A2.4A.
B8.A3BA6.8A3.B3A3B$2.A2.BAB.B.A.A3.3A3.A2.BA7.2A.B.A7.A3.B3.3A2BA.BA.
2A$2.2AB2A5BA.A9.2AB.A6.2A.AB10.AB.2AB.2AB.B5A.A$4.BAB4A3.8A3.B2A.BA
4.BA.BAB8.2A.2B.A2B3.A6.A$2.2A.2B.6A3.A3.A4.3A.AB2.2B.3A7.2BA.3B2AB5.
6A$.A.2ABA2B.3B.ABA.2A7.3B2A2.B3A9.3BA3BABAB5.A$.A6.A3.A2B.2A.2A7.B.
2B3.AB4.3B.B2A2B2A.A2BABA2.A4.2A$2.6A5.3BA2B.BAB7.2A6.BA5BA4BA.2A3.BA
2.2A3.2A$6.A5.ABA4B4A8.2B3.BA2BA4BA2B.A.A2.4A$2.2A4.A2.A2BABA.2AB2A2B
.3B.3A2.3AB3A3BA3BA3BA$2.2A3.2A2.AB3.2A.2ABA12B.ABABA4BA2B.A.A2.4A$
12.4A2.A.B.A3B3A5B6A5BA4BA.2A3.BA2.2A3.2A$16.2A2BABA4B2A5BA3BAB.3B.B
2A2B2A.A2BABA2.A4.2A$12.4A2.A.B.A3B3A5BA3B9.3BA3BABAB5.A$2.2A3.2A2.AB
3.2A.2ABA10B2.3BA8.2BA.3B2AB5.6A$2.2A4.A2.A2BABA.2AB2A2B.3B.2AB3.3BA
9.2A.2B.A2B3.A6.A$6.A5.ABA4B4A7.B6.3AB9.AB.2AB.2AB.B5A.A$2.6A5.3BA2B.
BAB7.B7.4B6.A3.B3.3A2BA.BA.2A$.A6.A3.A2B.2A.2A8.2AB7.4B5.8A3.B3A3B$.A
.2ABA2B.3B.ABA.2A7.A.B2A8.3BA11.A.6A3B2A$2.2A.2B.6A3.A3.A5.2A2B10.3BA
5.3A3.A.B.A.B2A2.A$4.BAB4A3.8A3.2A3.2A10.3AB3.A2.A4.A9.A.A$2.2AB2A5BA
.A9.A2.4AB11.4B3.A.A.3A11.2A$2.A2.BAB.B.A.A3.3A4.2A.A.B4.B5.B.6B3.2A.
A5.2A$A.A9.A4.A2.A6.A5.3B3.10B10.B2A2B$2A11.3A.A.A7.2A2.4BA3.A10B10.
4B$15.A.2A11.4BA.A.A.A4B2.4B9.4B$30.2B2A2BA.A2B2A2B3.4B7.B3A$30.2B2AB
2A.2AB2A2B4.4B6.2B2A$30.BABA3B.3BABAB5.3BA4.2A2B$30.2BA2B2A.2A2BA2B6.
3BA3.3AB$30.7B.7B7.3A2B.BABAB$30.5B2A.2A5B8.5B2.2A$30.BA2BA.A.A.A2BAB
9.4B$31.A3BA3.A3BA11.3BA$33.3B3.3B14.3BA$34.B5.B16.3A!
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Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries

Postby chris_c » January 31st, 2018, 7:06 am

nokangaroo wrote:As suggested, I post my $boring_useless_stuff here from now on.
Smaller p80 glider gun

The get_area.py script suggests p00448_4, but this one is actually smaller (and
the scripts finds it when you put it in "test"):
rle


Thanks. You are right. Improvements to the p20 and p40 happened nearly a year ago but they never got applied to the p80.
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Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries

Postby BlinkerSpawn » January 31st, 2018, 9:22 am

chris_c wrote:
nokangaroo wrote:As suggested, I post my $boring_useless_stuff here from now on.
Smaller p80 glider gun

The get_area.py script suggests p00448_4, but this one is actually smaller (and
the scripts finds it when you put it in "test"):
rle


Thanks. You are right. Improvements to the p20 and p40 happened nearly a year ago but they never got applied to the p80.

On a less important note, 13-cell population reduction:
x = 70, y = 50, rule = LifeHistory
35.A.A$35.2A.A.2A$38.2A.A$35.2A$35.A.4A$37.AB2.A$36.BA.2A.A.2A$28.2A
6.BA3B.A.A11.2A$27.A2.A5.B2A.2BA.A12.A$26.A2.A.2B7.BA.A12.A11.2A$12.
2A9.A2.3A.2AB3.B2AB.BA7.A2.A2.2A9.A.A$12.A10.3A3.3AB3.BA.BA9.6A2.B.A.
B2A2.A$2A11.A12.2A.B2A4.BA.A.4A11.7A3B2A$A.A9.2A2.A2.A3.4A.B8.A3BA2.A
3.8A3.B3A3B$2.A2.BAB.B.A2.6A3.A2.BA7.2A.B.A7.A3.B3.3A2BA.BA.2A$2.2AB
2A5B2A10.2AB.A6.2A.AB10.AB.2AB.2AB.B5A.A$4.BAB4A3.8A3.B2A.BA4.BA.BAB
8.2A.2B.A2B3.A7.A$2.2A.2B.6A3.A3.A4.3A.AB2.2B.3A7.2BA.3B2AB5.7A$.A.2A
BA2B.3B.ABA.2A7.3B2A2.B3A9.3BA3BABAB5.A2.A$A7.A3.A2B.2A.2A7.B.2B3.AB
4.3B.B2A2B2A.A2BABA2.A$.7A5.3BA2B.BAB7.2A6.BA5BA4BA.2A3.BA2.2A$3.A2.A
5.ABA4B4A8.2B3.BA2BA4BA2B.A.A2.4A$8.A2.A2BABA.2AB2A2B.3B.3A2.3AB3A3BA
3BA3BA$7.2A2.AB3.2A.2ABA12B.ABABA4BA2B.A.A2.4A$12.4A2.A.B.A3B3A5B6A5B
A4BA.2A3.BA2.2A$16.2A2BABA4B2A5BA3BAB.3B.B2A2B2A.A2BABA2.A$12.4A2.A.B
.A3B3A5BA3B9.3BA3BABAB5.A2.A$7.2A2.AB3.2A.2ABA10B2.3BA8.2BA.3B2AB5.7A
$8.A2.A2BABA.2AB2A2B.3B.2AB3.3BA9.2A.2B.A2B3.A7.A$3.A2.A5.ABA4B4A7.B
6.3AB9.AB.2AB.2AB.B5A.A$.7A5.3BA2B.BAB7.B7.4B6.A3.B3.3A2BA.BA.2A$A7.A
3.A2B.2A.2A8.2AB7.4B5.8A3.B3A3B$.A.2ABA2B.3B.ABA.2A7.A.B2A8.3BA12.7A
3B2A$2.2A.2B.6A3.A3.A5.2A2B10.3BA5.6A2.B.A.B2A2.A$4.BAB4A3.8A3.2A3.2A
10.3AB4.A2.A2.2A9.A.A$2.2AB2A5B2A10.A2.4AB11.4B9.A11.2A$2.A2.BAB.B.A
2.6A4.2A.A.B4.B5.B.6B6.A.A3.2A$A.A9.2A2.A2.A7.A5.3B3.10B5.2A3.B2A2B$
2A11.A13.2A2.4BA3.A10B10.4B$12.A17.4BA.A.A.A4B2.4B9.4B$12.2A16.2B2A2B
A.A2B2A2B3.4B7.B3A$30.2B2AB2A.2AB2A2B4.4B6.2B2A$30.BABA3B.3BABAB5.3BA
4.2A2B$30.2BA2B2A.2A2BA2B6.3BA3.3AB$30.7B.7B7.3A2B.BABAB$30.5B2A.2A5B
8.5B2.2A$30.BA2BA.A.A.A2BAB9.4B$31.A3BA3.A3BA11.3BA$33.3B3.3B14.3BA$
34.B5.B16.3A!
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Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries

Postby Rhombic » February 14th, 2018, 1:57 pm

This transparent block reappears at generation 70 until generation 350:
x = 14, y = 4, rule = B3/S23
o$2o10b2o$b2o9b2o$2o!

Allows this (30,3) :
x = 94, y = 7, rule = B3/S23
72b2o$72b2o18b2o$42b2o48b2o$o41b2o18b2o$2o10b2o48b2o$b2o9b2o18b2o$2o
30b2o!
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Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries

Postby AbhpzTa » February 14th, 2018, 3:11 pm

Rhombic wrote:This transparent block reappears at generation 70 until generation 350:
x = 14, y = 4, rule = B3/S23
o$2o10b2o$b2o9b2o$2o!

It's a well-known reaction. (e.g. HFx107B)
x = 35, y = 25, rule = LifeHistory
.2A.D$3A.EAD$.2A.3E.2C$3A.2AD.2C22.D$2A30.2D$33.2D$33.D$32.D6$31.2C$
31.2C3$17.2C$18.C$15.3C$15.C$27.2C$27.C$28.3C$30.C!


Rhombic wrote:Allows this (30,3) :
x = 94, y = 7, rule = B3/S23
72b2o$72b2o18b2o$42b2o48b2o$o41b2o18b2o$2o10b2o48b2o$b2o9b2o18b2o$2o
30b2o!

It's (30,2) .
Iteration of sigma(n)+tau(n)-n [sigma(n)+tau(n)-n : OEIS A163163] (e.g. 16,20,28,34,24,44,46,30,50,49,11,3,3, ...) :
965808 is period 336 (max = 207085118608).
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Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries

Postby Arun Debray » March 8th, 2018, 10:52 pm

I'm guessing someone already noticed this, but if you put a pre-pulsar on an 8 x 16 torus, it oscillates with period 20. So if I understand correctly, this can be made into an agar.

How does one go about stabilizing this to produce a p20 oscillator?

x = 26, y = 13, rule = B3/S23:T16,8
ooobbbooo$obobbbobo$ooobbbooo!
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Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries

Postby dvgrn » March 8th, 2018, 11:38 pm

Arun Debray wrote:I'm guessing someone already noticed this, but if you put a pre-pulsar on an 8 x 16 torus, it oscillates with period 20. So if I understand correctly, this can be made into an agar.

How does one go about stabilizing this to produce a p20 oscillator?

Interesting -- this seems maybe a little less impossible than usual, since you don't have to stabilize the sides, only the top and bottom. If you could find a p10 sparker that produced the white sparks every 10 ticks, that would do it:

x = 13, y = 19, rule = LifeHistory
.C.C.C.C.C.C2$2.3A3.3A2$A4.A.A4.A$A4.A.A4.A$A4.A.A4.A2$2.3A3.3A2$2.3A
3.3A2$A4.A.A4.A$A4.A.A4.A$A4.A.A4.A2$2.3A3.3A2$.C.C.C.C.C.C!

Unfortunately a p4 or p5 sparker doesn't quite work -- not that it would be easy to find a sparker like that even at p4 or p5, and p10 isn't really within reach of current search utilities. We do have true-period p20 guns, so possibly there's a way to make useful sparks with carefully positioned sparking eaters or something. (I don't see how, but I'm wrong a lot about this kind of thing.)

Short summary: it seems hard to suppress the one key birth without an unreasonable lot of high-period sparks.

There aren't any successful stabilizations of this agar in the p20 section of Dean Hickerson's collection, jslife, or the jslife supplement. That doesn't necessarily mean it's new, it just means I can't immediately find any prior art (and at least it seems that no one has successfully stabilized it). EDIT: Except they have, twice now! See following messages.

I'm not very good at oscillator stabilizations, so I probably shouldn't say anything... but maybe it would be safer to just be happy with the infinite agar:

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x = 141, y = 167, rule = B3/S23
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Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries

Postby A for awesome » March 9th, 2018, 12:00 am

dvgrn wrote:Interesting -- this seems maybe a little less impossible than usual, since you don't have to stabilize the sides, only the top and bottom. If you could find a p10 sparker that produced the white sparks every 10 ticks, that would do it:

x = 13, y = 19, rule = LifeHistory
.C.C.C.C.C.C2$2.3A3.3A2$A4.A.A4.A$A4.A.A4.A$A4.A.A4.A2$2.3A3.3A2$2.3A
3.3A2$A4.A.A4.A$A4.A.A4.A$A4.A.A4.A2$2.3A3.3A2$.C.C.C.C.C.C!

Unfortunately a p4 or p5 sparker doesn't quite work -- not that it would be easy to find a sparker like that even at p4 or p5, and p10 isn't really within reach of current search utilities.

It seems like a p5 sparker actually would — there's a placement of sparks that merely creates a non-interacting domino spark in gen 6 instead of ruining everything — and there's even a sparker in jslife that nearly fits the bill but requires an impossible weld (involving a Coolout Conjecture counterexample) to be made work. For reference, these (or the equivalent) are the type of sparks required:
x = 15, y = 23, rule = LifeHistory
4C7.4C$6C3.6C$.3C7.3C2$3.3A3.3A2$.A4.A.A4.A$.A4.A.A4.A$.A4.A.A4.A2$3.3A3.3A2$3.3A
3.3A2$.A4.A.A4.A$.A4.A.A4.A$.A4.A.A4.A2$3.3A3.3A2$.3C7.3C$6C3.6C$4C7.4C!

Perhaps WLS/JLS could provide a solution.
x₁=ηx
V ⃰_η=c²√(Λη)
K=(Λu²)/2
Pₐ=1−1/(∫^∞_t₀(p(t)ˡ⁽ᵗ⁾)dt)

$$x_1=\eta x$$
$$V^*_\eta=c^2\sqrt{\Lambda\eta}$$
$$K=\frac{\Lambda u^2}2$$
$$P_a=1-\frac1{\int^\infty_{t_0}p(t)^{l(t)}dt}$$

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Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries

Postby Bullet51 » March 9th, 2018, 4:13 am

A for awesome wrote:It seems like a p5 sparker actually would — there's a placement of sparks that merely creates a non-interacting domino spark in gen 6 instead of ruining everything — and there's even a sparker in jslife that nearly fits the bill but requires an impossible weld (involving a Coolout Conjecture counterexample) to be made work. For reference, these (or the equivalent) are the type of sparks required:
x = 15, y = 23, rule = LifeHistory
4C7.4C$6C3.6C$.3C7.3C2$3.3A3.3A2$.A4.A.A4.A$.A4.A.A4.A$.A4.A.A4.A2$3.3A3.3A2$3.3A
3.3A2$.A4.A.A4.A$.A4.A.A4.A$.A4.A.A4.A2$3.3A3.3A2$.3C7.3C$6C3.6C$4C7.4C!

Perhaps WLS/JLS could provide a solution.


x = 71, y = 31, rule = LifeHistory
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21.2A4.3A2.A.A3.3A$12.A45.A$5.3A8.3A33.3A8.3A$4.A2.A7.A2.A33.A2.A7.A
2.A$4.2A9.2A37.2A9.2A!
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Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries

Postby Scorbie » March 9th, 2018, 5:24 am

@A for Awesome @Bullet51 Cool! I was searching for the same thing with ofind but didn't find anything. Not sure why...

@dvgrn Prior art regarding that wick: http://www.conwaylife.com/forums/viewto ... 91&start=0
Fortunately Bullet51's new stabilization is way smaller.
Best wishes to you, Scorbie
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Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries

Postby Saka » March 10th, 2018, 12:31 am

Is this crystal thingy known?
x = 127, y = 133, rule = B3/S23
o$b2o$2o2$3bobo$4b2o$4bo$7bo$8b2o$7b2o2$10bobo$11b2o$11bo$14bo$15b2o$
14b2o2$17bobo$18b2o$18bo$21bo$22b2o$21b2o2$24bobo$25b2o$25bo$28bo$29b
2o$28b2o2$31bobo$32b2o$32bo$35bo$36b2o$35b2o2$38bobo$39b2o$39bo$42bo$
43b2o$42b2o2$45bobo$46b2o$46bo$49bo$50b2o$49b2o2$52bobo$53b2o$53bo$56b
o$57b2o$56b2o2$59bobo$60b2o$60bo$63bo$64b2o$63b2o2$66bobo$67b2o$67bo$
70bo$71b2o$70b2o2$73bobo$74b2o$74bo$77bo$78b2o$77b2o2$80bobo$81b2o$81b
o$84bo$85b2o$84b2o2$87bobo$88b2o$88bo$91bo$92b2o$91b2o2$94bobo$95b2o$
95bo$98bo$99b2o$98b2o2$101bobo$102b2o$102bo$105bo$106b2o$105b2o2$108bo
bo$109b2o$109bo$112bo$113b2o$112b2o2$115bobo$116b2o$116bo$119bo$120b2o
$119b2o2$122bobo$123b2o$123bo6$125b2o$125b2o!
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x = 17, y = 10, rule = B3/S23
b2ob2obo5b2o$11b4obo$2bob3o2bo2b3o$bo3b2o4b2o$o2bo2bob2o3b4o$bob2obo5b
o2b2o$2b2o4bobo2b3o$bo3b5ob2obobo$2bo5bob2o$4bob2o2bobobo!

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Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries

Postby P.Y. » March 21st, 2018, 8:21 am

x = 4, y = 4, rule = B3/S23
3o$3bo$o$2o!

A small methuselah with 1676 generations lifespan. I know, it is not very long, but r-pentomino relatives with the same initial bounding box live a few hundreds generations shorter. So is it interesting/useful/known/has its own name? I don't believe such a small pattern was never discovered before.
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Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries

Postby mniemiec » March 21st, 2018, 5:27 pm

P.Y. wrote:... A small methuselah with 1676 generations lifespan. I know, it is not very long, but r-pentomino relatives with the same initial bounding box live a few hundreds generations shorter. So is it interesting/useful/known/has its own name? I don't believe such a small pattern was never discovered before.

Back in the 1980s (I think?), Thompson ran all closely-connected patterns up to 10 bits up to completion, so he would definitely have found this. He probably just didn't find it interesting at the time. What "interesting" means is fairly subjective, and varies from time to time, and individual to individual. (For example, sometime in the 1980s-1990s,

Re-visiting areas that have been searched before is likely to produce fewer new results, but sometimes things may pop up that had been previously found but overlooked. Dave Buckingham did most of the 3-glider collisions, and saved many that produced various sparks, but didn't save most that produced small 2-object constellations, as he didn't consider those interesting.)
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Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries

Postby Entity Valkyrie » March 22nd, 2018, 6:36 am

I made a new simkin glider gun breeder. is this known?

x = 411, y = 751, rule = B3/S23
252bo13bo$251b3o11b3o$251bob2o4bo5bob2o$252b3o3b3o5b3o$252b2o3b2o2bo4b
2o$257bo3bo$257bob2o$257b2o$277bo$251bo24b3o$250b3o22b2obo$250bob2o21b
3o$251b3o21b3o$251b3o22b2o$251b3o$251b2o3b3obo$256b3obobo$257bo3bo$
257b4o2$258bo14bo$256bobo13b3o$256b2o14bob2o$273b3o$273b2o$268bo$258bo
8b4o$257bobo6bo2b2o$256bo2bo5b2o2bo$256bo9b3o$256b2o9bo$260b2o6$257b2o
$256bo2bo$257b2o6$255bo$255bo$255bo4$259b2o$259b2o4$254b2o$254b2o17bo$
170bo13bo80bo6b3o$169b3o11b3o77bo2bo5bob2o$169bob2o4bo5bob2o76bo3bo5b
3o$170b3o3b3o5b3o75bo5bo4b3o$170b2o3b2o2bo4b2o76bobo8b3o$177b3o93b2o$
263b2o3bo$266bob3o$195bo61b2o9bo$169bo8bo15b3o60b2o5bob3obo$168b3o7bo
14b2obo68bobobo$168bob2o6bo14b3o70b4o$169b3o3bobo15b3o71bo$169b3o3bobo
16b2o$169b3o3b3o$169b2o4$173bo2b3o70bo$175b5o11bo56b3o$171bo8bo9b3o55b
ob2o$170bo2bobob3o10bob2o55b3o3bo$171b2obo3bo12b3o55b3o4b2o$191b2o56b
2o4b2o$174b3o$174bo2b2o$175b2o75bo$175b5o71b3o$251bob2o$252b3o$252b3o$
252b2o7$170bo7bobo$169bobo6bo2bo$169bobo5bo3bo$170bo7bo2bo$174b2o2b3o
78b2o$173bobo83b2o$174bo2$171b2o$171b2o$176bobo$176bobo$173bo3bo$172bo
bo$173bobo$174b3o$176b2o2$191bo$190b3o$173bo16bob2o$173bo17b3o$173bo
17b3o$191b3o125bo13bo$191b2o125b3o11b3o$317b2obo5bo4b2obo$177b2o138b3o
5b3o3b3o$177b2o139b2o4bo2b2o3b2o$324bo3bo$322bo3bobo$265bo$172b2o90b3o
56b2ob2o16bo$172b2o90bob2o50bo6bo17b3o$265b3o49b3o23bob2o$265b3o48b2ob
o24b3o$265b2o49b3o25b3o$316b3o25b2o$316b3o$167bo149b2o5bo$166b3o154bob
2o$166bob2o152b2o2b3o$167b3o5b2o147bo3bo$90bo13bo62b3o5b2o148b2obo$89b
3o11b3o61b2o158bo12bo$89bob2o4bo5bob2o163bo54b2o12b3o$90b3o3b3o5b3o
162b3o66b2obo$90b2o3b2obo5b2o64bo97b2obo66b3o$169b3o96b3o12bo43bo11b2o
$169bob2o95b3o11b3o41bo$170b3o95b3o11bob2o41bo$79bo15bo74b3o96b2o12b3o
$78b3o14b3o7bo64b2o111b3o38b2o$77b2obo15bo7b3o176b3o37bo2bo$77b3o16bo
2bo4bob2o175b2o39b2o$77b3o17b3o5b3o$78b2o25b3o166b2o$105b3o165b2o$105b
2o168bo2$322bo$322bo$95b2o225bo$83bo10bo85bo$82b3o9b3o84b2o$82bob2o9bo
84b2o$83b3o10b3o227b2o$83b2o15bo225b2o55b3o11b3o$98bobo281bo2bo10bo2bo
$99bo285bo4b3o6bo$385bo4bo2bo5bo$321b2o59bobo4bo3bo2bobo$90bobo228b2o
66b4o$90bo2bo296bo$90bo2bo7b3o228b2o$90b3o10bo228b2o38b3o$89b2o7b2o2b
2o268bo2bo22b3o$90bo7bo2bo75b2o193bo16b3o5bo2bo$99b3o75b2o150bo42bo3bo
13b2o8bo$329bo3b2o37bo17b2o4bo3bo$332bo2bo37bobo14b2ob2obo3bo$249b2o
73b2o5bo3bo4bo50bobo6bo$248b2o74b2o13b3o50bo4bobo$98b2o150bo81bo2bo2b
2obo$97bo2bo228bo2bob2o2b3o$98b2o226b2obo2bobo3b3o$325b3obob3o4b3o53bo
$317b3o5b2obo10b2o35b3o15bo$327b3o45bo2bo15bo$183bo143b2o49bo$182b3o
130bo62bo$101bo80bob2o129b2o58bobo$101bo81b3o131b4o69b2o$101bo81b3o
130bob3o69b2o$183b2o3$96b2o297b2o$96b2o288bo4bo3b2o$385bo$83bo301b3o$
82b3o231bo73bo$82bob2o15b2o212b3o72bo$83b3o15b2o211b2obo$83b3o228b3o
73b2o$83b3o228b3o69bo4bo$83b2o9b2o128b2o89b2o69b3o$223b2o162bob4o$225b
o165bobo$87b2o230bo69bo3bo$86bo3b2o226b3o67bo$86bo5bo224b2obo67bo3bo$
87bo10b2o217b3o69bobo$87bo5bo4b2o217b3o70bo$92b2o224b2o69b2o$89b3o296b
o2bo$326b2o59b2ob2o2bo3bo$326b2o57b3o6b2obobo$383b2o3bo4bo5bo$383b2obo
bo6b4o$107bo279bo9bo$106b3o$106bob2o$107b3o$107b3o266b3o$107b2o266bo2b
o$378bo$374bo3bo15bobo$98bobo3bo269bo3bo14bo$98b2o3b3o272bo14b2ob2o$
99bo3bob2o268bobo16b2obo$104b3o289b3o$104b3o52bo13bo57bo13bo144b2o2b2o
$104b2o52b3o11b3o55b3o11b3o143b2o2b2o$157b2obo5bo4b2obo55bob2o4bo5bob
2o146b2ob2o$157b3o5b3o3b3o28b2o27b3o3b3o5b3o147b2o$158b2o4bo2b2o3b2o
28b2o27b2o3b2o2bo4b2o148b2o$164bo3bo67bo3bo153b3o$165b2obo67bob2o$167b
2o67b2o$184bo35bo$158bo24b3o33b3o24bo$157b3o7bo15bob2o31b2obo15bo7b3o
142b2o$156b2obo6bobo15b3o31b3o15bobo6bob2o141b2o$156b3o6bo18b3o31b3o
18bo6b3o151b3o$156b3o3bo5bo15b2o33b2o15bo5bo3b3o150bo2bo$156b3o3b3o75b
3o3b3o153bo$96b2o59b2o4b2ob2o69b2ob2o4b2o154bo$96b2o67bo73bo156bobo3bo
$396bo2bobo2$332bo$165bobo12bo43bo12bobo91b3o63b3o$164bo2b3o9b3o41b3o
9b3o2bo89b2obo62bo2bo$165bobobo8b2obo41bob2o8bobobo90b3o66bo$166bo2bo
8b3o43b3o8bo2bo91b3o62bo3bo$166bo2bo9b2o43b2o9bo2bo92b2o66bo$160bo4bo
2bo67bo2bo4bo151bobo$158bo2bo3b3o69b3o3bo2bo$158bobo4bo73bo4bobo$159bo
85bo$164b3o71b3o$160b2o3b3o69b3o3b2o$160bo2bob3o69b3obo2bo$161b2o79b2o
$337bo$336b3o3bobo$336bob2o3b2o$166b2o69b2o98b3o3bo6bo$166b2o69b2o98b
3o9b3o$91bo245b3o8b2obo$90b3o244b2o9b3o$90bob2o254b3o$91b3o67b2o79b2o
104b3o$91b3o67b2o79b2o105b2o$91b2o2$170b2o61b2o$168b3obo59bob3o$166bo
3b2o61b2o3bo$166bo2bo2b2o57b2o2bo2bo$167b2o4bobo53bobo4b2o$163b2o8b2o
55b2o8b2o$163b3o73b3o140bo$86bo75bo9bo59bo9bo138bo$85b3o85bo28b2o27bo
149b3o$84b2obo80bob2obo28b2o27bob2obo$73bo10b3o80bo2b3o59b3o2bo$72b3o
9b3o80bobobobo57bobobobo$72bob2o8b3o81b3ob3o5bo43bo5b3ob3o$73b3o9b2o
72bo9bo3b2o4b3o41b3o4b2o3bo9bo$73b3o81bobo18b2obo41bob2o18bobo$73b3o
80bob2o18b3o43b3o18b2obo141b2o$73b2o81b2o20b3o43b3o20b2o141b2o$178b3o
43b3o157b3o$161b2o16b2o43b2o16b2o139bo2bo$83bo237bo64bo$83b2o235b2o60b
o3bo$82bobo235bobo63bo$383bobo10$156bo91bo$155b3o89b3o$154b2obo89bob2o
$154b3o91b3o$154b3o91b3o$155b2o91b2o3$159bo85bo$158b3o5b2o69b2o5b3o$
157b2obo5b2o69b2o5bob2o$157b3o85b3o$108bo48b3o85b3o48bo$108b2o48b2o85b
2o48b2o$107bobo185bobo12$202b2o$202b2o10$133bo137bo$133b2o135b2o$132bo
bo135bobo10$357bo$172bo59bo123bo$171b3o57b3o122b3o$170b2obo57bob2o$
170b3o59b3o70bo13bo$170b3o59b3o69b3o11b3o$171b2o59b2o70bob2o4bo5bob2o$
179bobo41bobo79b3o3b3o5b3o$180b2o41b2o80b2o3b2o2bo4b2o$180bo43bo85bo3b
o$310bob2o$310b2o$294bo$158bo87bo46b3o24bo$158b2o85b2o45b2obo15bo7b3o$
157bobo85bobo44b3o15bobo6bob2o$292b3o18bo6b3o$293b2o15bo5bo3b3o$314b3o
3b3o$311b2ob2o4b2o$313bo4$298bo$297b3o$297bob2o7bobo$202b2o94b3o7bob2o
$19b3o11b3o166b2o94b2o9b5o$18bo2bo10bo2bo275bobo$21bo4b3o6bo276b2o$21b
o4bo2bo5bo$18bobo4bo6bobo$30bo$24bo4bo275b2o$24bo280b2obo$8b3o15bo277b
o4bo7bo$8bo2bo14b2o6b3o266b4obo6bob3o$8bo18b3o3bo2bo146bo37bo80b5o6b3o
2b2o$8bo3bo15bo7bo146b2o35b2o81bo2bo6b2o$8bo23bo3bo145bobo35bobo81b2o
6bo2bobo$9bobo20bo3bo276b2ob2o$36bo276b2ob2o$28b2o3bobo279bo$26b5o$26b
o2b2o$26b2o2b2o281b2o$312bo2bo$12b3o298b2o$11bo2bo$14bo$14bo11b2o$11bo
bo12b2o2$316bo$26bo289bo$24b4o3b2o283bo$23bo4bo2b2o$23b2o$23bo4bo$25b
3o283b2o$298bo12b2o$297b3o$23b2o272bob2o$22bo2b2o271b3o$21bo3b2o271b3o
15b2o$28bo269b3o15b2o$22bobob4o268b2o$23b2o3b2o$25b2o$25b3o4$24bobo
171b2o5b2o94bo$24bo2bo6bo57bo13bo91b2o5b2o94bo11b2o17bo$20b2obo2bo6bob
o55b3o11b3o205b2o16bo$19bo5b2o2b2o2bobo54b2obo5bo4b2obo94b2o127b3o43bo
13bo$19b2ob4o4b2o2bo55b3o5b3o3b3o95b2o172b3o11b3o$29bo61b2o4bo2b2o3b2o
269bob2o4bo5bob2o$97bo3bo275b3o3b3o5b3o$98b2obo220bo54b2o3b2o2bo4b2o$
100b2o219b3o58bo3bo$81bo239bob2o57bob2o$80b3o24bo214b3o57b2o$12b3o65bo
b2o22b3o213b3o77bo$11bo2bo66b3o21b2obo213b2o52bo24b3o$14bo66b3o21b3o
267b3o22b2obo$10bo3bo14b5obo45b2o22b3o267bob2o21b3o$10bo3bo20bo69b3o
211bo56b3o21b3o$14bo15bo67bob3o3b2o210b3o55b3o22b2o$11bobo12b2o2bo2bo
62bobob3o215bob2o54b3o$26b2o3b3o63bo3bo210bobo4b3o54b2o3b3obo$98b4o
210b2o5b3o59b3obobo$313bo5b2o61bo3bo$85bo14bo279b2ob3o$30b3o51b3o13bob
o276bobob2o$83b2obo14b2o276bo2bo15bo$83b3o293bo2bo14b3o$84b2o294bo3b2o
11bob2o$90bo290bo3bo12b3o$26b2o60b4o8bo282b2o13b2o$26b2o60b2o2bo6bobo
280bo$89bo2b2o5bo2bo277b3o$90b3o9bo$36b3o52bo9b2o$31b2o2bo2bo58b2o$31b
2o5bo$34bo3bo345b2o$38bo345b2o$35bobo273b2o$311b2o$100b2o$33b3o63bo2bo
276b2o$32bo2bo64b2o277b2o$35bo$35bo$29bobo3bo355b2o$29bo2bobo355bo2bo$
384b2o2b5o$103bo280bo3b2obo$103bo284bo$103bo2$198b2o5b2o174b2o3bob2o$
198b2o5b2o174b2o2b2obo$98b2o286bo$98b2o102b2o$202b2o184b2o$390b2o$385b
o6bo$103b2o201bo68b2o3b2o2b2o3bob2o$85bo17b2o200b3o66bo2bobo4b2obobo$
84b3o6bo211bob2o65bobo3bo4bobob2o$83b2obo5bo2bo210b3o66bo5b6o4b2o5bo$
83b3o5bo3bo210b3o72b2o9b2o3b3o$83b3o4bo5bo209b2o84b2o3bob2o$83b3o8bobo
301b3o$84b2o312b3o$90bo3b2o302b3o$88b3obo305b2o$19bo70bo9b2o$18bo69bob
3obo5b2o$18b3o68bobobo$89b4o$91bo288bo$380b3o$382bo$377bo2$307bo69bo$
26b2o278bo$26b2o81bo196b3o70bo$108b3o268b2o$107b2obo263bo4b2o$20b3o80b
o3b3o263b3o$19bo2bo78b2o4b3o263bob2o$22bo79b2o4b2o264b3o$18bo3bo351b3o
7b2o$22bo351b2o8b2o$19bobo84bo$105b3o$104b2obo269bo$104b3o269b3o$104b
3o269bob2o$105b2o270b3o$377b3o$287bobo87b2o$287b2o$15b3o270bo$15bo2bo$
15bo$2b3o10bo3bo$bo2bo10bo3bo$4bo10bo182b2o5b2o$o3bo11bobo179b2o5b2o$o
3bo93b2o$4bo93b2o102b2o$bobo198b2o13$22b3o$24bo$23bo9$93bo301bo$92b3o
301b2o$91b2obo295bo4b2o$91b3o295b3o$91b3o295bob2o$92b2o296b3o$390b3o$
386bo3b2o$386bo6$47b3o38bo$49bo37b3o$48bo38bob2o304bo$75bo12b3o303b3o$
74b3o11b3o302b2obo$73b2obo11b3o302b3o12bo$73b3o12b2o303b3o11b3o$73b3o
317b3o11bob2o$73b3o122b2o5b2o187b2o12b3o$74b2o122b2o5b2o75bo125b3o$
281bo126b3o$83b2o117b2o77b3o124b2o$84b2o116b2o$83bo12$72b3o$74bo187bob
o$73bo188b2o$263bo120b2o$383b2o$385bo6$108b2o$109b2o$108bo12$97b3o$99b
o$98bo$359b2o$358b2o$360bo3$198b2o5b2o$198b2o5b2o2$133b2o67b2o$134b2o
66b2o$133bo12$122b3o$124bo$123bo$334b2o$333b2o$335bo4$257bo$256bo$158b
2o96b3o$159b2o$158bo12$147b3o$149bo87bobo$148bo88b2o$238bo70b2o$308b2o
$310bo3$198b2o5b2o$198b2o5b2o2$183b2o17b2o$184b2o16b2o$183bo12$172b3o$
174bo$173bo$284b2o$283b2o$285bo6$208b2o$209b2o$208bo12$197b3o$199bo$
198bo$259b2o$258b2o$260bo3$198b2o5b2o$198b2o5b2o25bo$231bo$202b2o27b3o
$202b2o4$211b2o$210b3o$209b3obo$208b3obo9b2o$209b4o9b2o$210b2o4$222b3o
$224bo$223bo$234b2o$233b2o$235bo!
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Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries

Postby Jerdle » March 25th, 2018, 1:21 pm

This can't be new: The Blanker.
x = 146, y = 22, rule = B3/S23
134b2o5bo2bo$133b4o8bo$133b2ob2o3bo3bo$135b2o5b4o3$138bobo$136b2o3bo$b
6o120bo8b3obob2o$o5bo129b3o4bo$6bo115b2o15bo3bo$o4bo115bo7bo10b3o$2b2o
117bo3bobobo10bo$122b3o$3bo9bo9bo9bo9bo9bo9bo9bo9bo9bo9bo9bo27bo2bo$3b
o9bo9bo9bo9bo9bo9bo9bo9bo9bo9bo9bo31bo$3bo9bo9bo9bo9bo9bo9bo9bo9bo9bo
9bo9bo27bo3bo$119bo22b4o$117bo3bo$122bo$117bo4bo$118b5o!

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Using the same technology: Bamber (Monty Python reference).
x = 29, y = 22, rule = B3/S23
17b2o5bo2bo$16b4o8bo$16b2ob2o3bo3bo$18b2o5b4o4$16b2o$15b2o7b3o$16bo2bo
6bo$17bo6bobo$19b2o3b2o$2b2o$3bo$3b3o18bo2bo$28bo$24bo3bo$2b2o21b4o$o
4bo$6bo$o5bo$b6o!
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Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries

Postby Kazyan » March 28th, 2018, 5:12 am

New reasonably-general catalyst:

x = 17, y = 19, rule = B3/S23
7bo$7b3o$10bo$5b5obo$4bo4bobo$5b3obo2b2o$7bo2bobobo$8bobobo2bo$9bo3bob
o$10b2obob2o$bo4bo5bobo$2o3bobo2b2o2bo$bo4bo4bobob2o$7b4o2bobo$13bobo$
7b2o5bo$8bo$8bobo$9b2o!


Also works on honey farm and Pi explosions, but I haven't figured out anything useful to do with it.
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Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries

Postby Sokwe » March 28th, 2018, 9:01 am

Kazyan wrote:New reasonably-general catalyst:

x = 17, y = 19, rule = B3/S23
7bo$7b3o$10bo$5b5obo$4bo4bobo$5b3obo2b2o$7bo2bobobo$8bobobo2bo$9bo3bob
o$10b2obob2o$bo4bo5bobo$2o3bobo2b2o2bo$bo4bo4bobob2o$7b4o2bobo$13bobo$
7b2o5bo$8bo$8bobo$9b2o!

That's a nice catalyst! The stator can be reduced:
x = 17, y = 19, rule = B3/S23
10bo$8b3o$7bo$5b3ob2o$4bo4bobo$5b3obo2bo$7bo2bobo$8bobobobo$9bo3bobo$
10b2obo2bo$bo4bo5bobobo$2o3bobo2b2o2b2o$bo4bo4bobo$7b4o2bo$13b2o$7b2o$
8bo$8bobo$9b2o!

The eater at the bottom can be replaced with a snake or carrier, but that reduces the clearance near the reaction area.

As with any new honey farm catalyst, there is a remote possibility that it can be used to make new oscillators similar to these found by Scorbie:
x = 66, y = 187, rule = B3/S23
41b2o$41b2o2$b2o5b2obo35bo$2bo5bob2o29bo4bobo$bo4b2o32bobo4bo$b2o3bo
32bo3bo$7bo19b2o10bo3bo$b2o3b2o20bo10bo3bo$2bo5b2obo16bobo3bo5bobo2b2o
$bo6bob2o17b2o2bobo5bo3bobo$b2o3b2o4b2o18bo3bo10bo$6bo5bo19bo3bo10b2o$
b2o4bo5bo18bo3bo$2bo3b2o4b2o14bo4bobo$bo6b2obo15bobo4bo$b2o5bob2o16bo
2$33b2o$33b2o23$35b2o6bo$3b2obo5b2o21bo6bobo$3bob2o6bo13b2o3b2obo7bo$
7b2o3bo14bo4bobo13b3o$7bo4b2o14b3obo14bo3bo$8bo21bob2o12bo5bo$7b2o3b2o
21b3o8bo5bo$3b2obo6bo20bo3bo7bo5bo$3bob2o5bo20bo5bo7bo3bo$b2o9b2o19bo
5bo8b3o$bo31bo5bo12b2obo$2bo9b2o20bo3bo14bob3o$b2o10bo21b3o13bobo4bo$
3b2obo5bo29bo7bob2o3b2o$3bob2o5b2o27bobo6bo$42bo6b2o22$54b2o$54bobo$
56bo$52b4ob2o$b2obo6b2obo19bo17bo2bobobo$bob2o6bob2o19b3o20bobo$5b2o2b
2o4b2o20bo19bo2b2o$5bo3bo5bo20b2o18b2o4bo$6bo3bo5bo41b5o$5b2o2b2o4b2o
35b3o3bo4b2o$b2obo4bo5bo22b3o10bo3bo5b2o2bo$bob2o5bo5bo20bo3bo8bo5bo5b
ob2o$5b2o2b2o4b2o13b2o4bo5bo7bo5bo5bo$5bo3bo5bo14bo5bo5bo7bo5bo4b2o$6b
o3bo5bo10b2obo5bo5bo8bo3bo$5b2o2b2o4b2o10bo2b2o5bo3bo10b3o$b2obo6b2obo
13b2o4bo3b3o$bob2o6bob2o15b5o$30bo4b2o18b2o$31b2o2bo19bo$33bobo20b3o$
33bobobo2bo17bo$34b2ob4o$36bo$36bobo$37b2o19$b2obo6b2obo32b2o$bob2o6bo
b2o23bo7bobo$5b2o2b2o25b3o8bo$5bo3bo25bo$6bo3bo24b2o$5b2o2b2o32b3o$b2o
bo6b2obo27bo3bo$bob2o6bob2o17b3o6bo5bob2o$5b2o8b2o10b2o2bo3bo6bo3bo2b
2o$5bo9bo11b2obo5bo6b3o$6bo9bo14bo3bo$5b2o8b2o15b3o$b2obo6b2obo26b2o$b
ob2o6bob2o27bo$30bo8b3o$29bobo7bo$29b2o16$52b2o$52bobo$54bo2b2o$38b2o
13b2obobo$39bo16bo$39bobo11b4o$40b2o11bo3b2o$54b3o2bo$2o3b2o4b2obo41bo
b2o$2o3b2o4bob2o19bo21bo$9b2o23b3o18b2o$2o3b2o2bo27bo8b3o$obobobo3bo
19b2o4b2o7bo3bo$2bobo4b2o20bo12bo5bo$b2obo6b2obo16bobo4b3o3bo5bo$5b2o
4bob2o17b2o3bo3bo2bo5bo$6bo8b2o19bo5bo2bo3bo3b2o$5bo9bo20bo5bo3b3o4bob
o$5b2o9bo19bo5bo12bo$6bo8b2o20bo3bo7b2o4b2o$5bo5b2obo23b3o8bo$5b2o4bob
2o15b2o18b3o$30bo21bo$27b2obo$27bo2b3o$28b2o3bo11b2o$30b4o11bobo$30bo
16bo$28bobob2o13b2o$28b2o2bo$32bobo$33b2o!
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Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries

Postby mniemiec » March 28th, 2018, 6:09 pm

Sokwe wrote:As with any new honey farm catalyst, there is a remote possibility that it can be used to make new oscillators similar to these found by Scorbie: ...

Where were these posted? (I see some mentioned here: http://conwaylife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1437&start=75#p26587)
Here are trivial syntheses for the 44p16 (22 gliders; ought to be 18-20), 60p21 (32), 44p35 (16).
x = 194, y = 172, rule = B3/S23
128bobo$129boo$129bo$141bobo$134bo6boo$133bo8bo$75bo57b3o$75bobo$71bo
3boo$72boo54bo47boo$71boo53bobo4bo42boo$68bo58boo5boo$66bobo64boo36bo$
67boo31bo39bo29bobo$99bobo22bo14bobo29bo4bo$4bo94boo23boo13boo34bobbo$
4bobo43boo28boo28boo11bobo24boo23bobbo11boo$o3boo44bo29bo29bo39bo25bob
o11bo$boo17boo10boo14bobo11boo14bobo11boo14bobo21boo14bobo21boo14bobo$
oo17boo10bobo14boo11bobo14boo11bobo14boo21bobo14boo21bobo14boo$16boo3b
o9bo29bo29bo39bo39bo11bobo$15bobo12boo28boo28boo38boo24bobo11boo11bobb
o$17bo83boo38boo13boo25bobbo$100bobo37bobo14bo27bo4bo$73boo26bo39bo47b
obo$73bobo71boo41bo$73bo72boo5boo$69boo77bo4bobo28boo$68boo83bo30boo$
65boo3bo$64bobo$66bo79b3o$139bo8bo$139boo6bo$138bobo$152bo$151boo$151b
obo6$13bobo$14boo$14bo$20bobo$20boo123bo$21bo85bobo35bobo$70boo36boo
10boo23boo23boo$70bo37bo11bo8bobo38bo$18bo48boobo46boobo9boo35boobo$
17bo49bobo37b3o7bobo10bo13bobo20bobo$17b3o48bo40bo8bo25boo18boobo$108b
o36bo17boboboo$15b3o146bo$17bo21bo$16bo21bo$38b3o150bo$110bo36bo39boob
obo$36b3o48bo22boo25bo8bo41boboo$38bo47bobo20bobo13bo10bobo7b3o37bobo$
37bo47boboo35boo9boboo46boboo$85bo38bobo8bo11bo37bo$84boo23boo23boo10b
oo36boo$34bo73bobo35bobo$34boo74bo$33bobo$41bo$40boo$40bobo11$122bo$
123bo3bo$15bo105b3oboo5bobo$14bo111boo4boo$14b3o116bo$$10bo$11boo115bo
$10boo8boo48boo48boo7boo39boo6bo$20bo49bo49bo7boo10bobo27bo6bobo$17boo
bo41boo3boobo41boo3boobo19boo20boo3boobo7bo$17bobo20bobo19bo4bobo42bo
4bobo21bo20bo4bobo$14boobo23boo20b3obo45b3obo45b3obo16boo$13boboboo22b
o6bobo14boboo46boboo46boboo14bobbo$14bo29bo3boo133b3o$10boo33boobbo
134bo$6bobboo33boo125bo$6boo3bo29bo128b3o$5bobo6bo22boobobo44boobo46b
oobo28bobbo14boobo$13boo23boboo46bob3o45bob3o27boo16bob3o$13bobo20bobo
47bobo4bo20bo21bobo4bo42bobo4bo$35boboo46boboo3boo20boo19boboo3boo33bo
7boboo3boo$35bo49bo27bobo10boo7bo40bobo6bo$34boo8boo38boo39boo7boo41bo
6boo$43boo82bo$45bo$$39b3o80bo$41bo80boo4boo$40bo80bobo5boob3o$128bo3b
o$133bo11$113bo$111bobo$112boo3$115bo$113bobo10bo$114boo10bobo$126boo
6$26bo$25bo$25b3o121bo20boo$23bo8bobo45bo32bo16bo18bobo18bobo7bo$24bo
7boo46b3o28bobo16b3o7bobo6boo20bo8b3o$22b3o8bo39boo8bo28boo9boo8bo6boo
41bo$73boo7boo39boo7boo7bo40boo$34b3o136b3o$34bo137bo3bo$35bo132boobo
5bo6b3o$168boobbo3bo6bo3bobboo$24bo148b3o6bo5boboo$25bo157bo3bo$23b3o
158b3o$76boo7boo31bo7boo7boo39boo$26bo8b3o38bo8boo31boo6bo8boo9boo28bo
$26boo7bo41b3o29boo6bobo7b3o16bobo28b3o8bo$25bobo8bo42bo28bobo18bo16bo
32bo7bobo$32b3o75bo77boo$34bo$33bo6$132boo$131bobo10boo$133bo10bobo$
144bo3$146boo$146bobo$146bo!
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Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries

Postby Sokwe » March 28th, 2018, 6:59 pm

mniemiec wrote:
Sokwe wrote:As with any new honey farm catalyst, there is a remote possibility that it can be used to make new oscillators similar to these found by Scorbie: ...

Where were these posted?

Some of these can be reduced slightly from their original form, as can be seen in the collection that you linked to. For example, half of the p30 can be replaced by unix:
x = 29, y = 22, rule = B3/S23
17b2o$17bobo$19bo$15b4ob2o$15bo2bobobo$20bobo$2b2o16bo2b2o$b4o14b2o4bo
$obo2bo15b5o$2o2bobo8b3o3bo4b2o$5bobo6bo3bo5b2o2bo$7b2o4bo5bo5bob2o$6b
3o4bo5bo5bo$5bobo5bo5bo4b2o$5b2o7bo3bo$15b3o3$18b2o$18bo$19b3o$21bo!

Scorbie only searched for oscillators supported by stable catalysts. If we use sparks as well it limits the periods we can get, but it may allow us to find interesting new oscillators. I'm especially hopeful that a gun can be found by starting with this simple reaction:
x = 12, y = 9, rule = B3/S23
10b2o$10bo$2b3o3bobo$bo3bo2b2o$o5bo$o5bo$o5bo$bo3bo$2b3o!

Scorbie tried this but was unable to find any guns (the p35 and p45 oscillators were the result of that search). Hopefully adding sparks will allow a gun to emerge. Unfortunately, I don't know of any programs that test rotationally symmetric spark catalysis.
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Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries

Postby Saka » March 29th, 2018, 2:07 am

Sokwe wrote:I'm especially hopeful that a gun can be found by starting with this simple reaction:
x = 12, y = 9, rule = B3/S23
10b2o$10bo$2b3o3bobo$bo3bo2b2o$o5bo$o5bo$o5bo$bo3bo$2b3o!


That's the AK-94 reaction
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x = 17, y = 10, rule = B3/S23
b2ob2obo5b2o$11b4obo$2bob3o2bo2b3o$bo3b2o4b2o$o2bo2bob2o3b4o$bob2obo5b
o2b2o$2b2o4bobo2b3o$bo3b5ob2obobo$2bo5bob2o$4bob2o2bobobo!

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Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries

Postby Sokwe » March 29th, 2018, 4:42 am

Saka wrote:
Sokwe wrote:I'm especially hopeful that a gun can be found by starting with this simple reaction:
x = 12, y = 9, rule = B3/S23
10b2o$10bo$2b3o3bobo$bo3bo2b2o$o5bo$o5bo$o5bo$bo3bo$2b3o!


That's the AK-94 reaction
Credit: M.I. Wright

Technically, the AK-47 reaction includes a block. It pushes the honeyfarm to a new location, requiring it to be pushed back to make a complete gun. By contrast, the oscillators and guns I'm hoping for simply recreate the honeyfarm in its original location (as in the posted examples).
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