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Re: Soup search results

Postby Apple Bottom » September 30th, 2017, 5:31 pm

This time I checked jslife-osc-supplement (and jslife, and pentadecathlon.com, and the wiki, and Mark Niemiec's Life page...), but didn't find this xp6 that recently showed up in C4_4. Does anyone recognize it, or is it a new object?

#C https://catagolue.appspot.com/object/xp6_y3ce53zggxg8ud95uc4o0cs8gz12760346fkimf21x11zy5oke6/b3s23
x = 20, y = 20, rule = B3/S23
9b2o$8bobo$7b3o$7b2o$$8b3o$7bo3bo$7b2ob4o2b2o$6b4ob2obob3o$2o3bobo3bo2b
o2bobo$obo2bo2bo3bobo3b2o$b3obob2ob4o$2b2o2b4ob2o$8bo3bo$9b3o$$11b2o$10b
3o$9bobo$9b2o!


Soup:

#C xp6_y3ce53zggxg8ud95uc4o0cs8gz12760346fkimf21x11zy5oke6
#C C4_4 sample soup 1 of 1
#C https://catagolue.appspot.com/object/xp6_y3ce53zggxg8ud95uc4o0cs8gz12760346fkimf21x11zy5oke6/b3s23/C4_4
#C https://catagolue.appspot.com/hashsoup/C4_4/m_s3xePVVyiKui7842518/b3s23
#C https://catagolue.appspot.com/haul/b3s23/C4_4/bcbb99049468b8bfeb04844e1d5fe29e
x = 32, y = 32, rule = B3/S23
oooooobobbbbboboobbobbbooobbbboo$
ooboboooooboboobbbooboooooobbooo$
boobobobobboboobbobbobbbbboboobo$
bboobbobobbbbbobobobbooooboooboo$
bbbooobobobbbobbbobooobboooobobo$
boooooobboboobobobboboobbboobboo$
oobbobbobooboooooobooboobbobooob$
ooboobboobbbboobboobobbboobobboo$
oobobbobbbooobbbobbobobbobbbooob$
boboboobbbbboooobbbobobbbooobbob$
bobooobbooooobbbbooboobobobbbbbb$
bboboboobboobobboooboobobbobboob$
oobboooboobbbooboobbboooboobbbbb$
bobobbbobboobboboobooboboobobooo$
bboboboobboooooooooobbobooobooob$
obboboobobboooobbobbbbobbobbbbbo$
obbbbbobbobbbbobboooobboboobobbo$
booobooobobboooooooooobboobobobb$
oooboboobobooboobobboobbobbbobob$
bbbbboobooobbbooboobbboobooobboo$
boobbobboboobooobboboobboobobobb$
bbbbbbobobooboobbbbooooobbooobob$
bobbooobbbobobbboooobbbbboobobob$
booobbbobbobobbobbbooobbbobboboo$
oobboboobbboboobboobbbboobbooboo$
booobobbooboobooooooboobobbobboo$
oobboobbboobobboboboobobboooooob$
oboboooobbooobobbbobbbobobooobbb$
ooboooboooobbobobobbbbbobobboobb$
oboobobbbbbobbobboobobboboboboob$
ooobbooooooboobbbooboboooooboboo$
oobbbbooobbbobboobobbbbboboooooo!


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Re: Soup search results

Postby muzik » October 1st, 2017, 6:25 am

It doesn't seem to be in DRH_oscillators either (assuming you haven't checked that), so it might be promising.
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Re: Soup search results

Postby Apple Bottom » October 2nd, 2017, 6:12 am

56P27 just showed up in C4_4 -- the first xp27 in B3/S23 on Catagolue:

#C https://catagolue.appspot.com/object/xp27_y9330gzyb1789azy08q987yfooz33yfs2ib2zy6ai2sgzy910oo/b3s23
x = 30, y = 30, rule = B3/S23
13b2o$13b2o3$16bo$15b2obo$16bo2bo$16bo$17b3o$$6bobo$5bo2bo$8bo$4b4o20b2o$
5bo22b2o$2o22bo$2o20b4o$21bo$21bo2bo$21bobo$$10b3o$13bo$10bo2bo$11bob2o$
13bo3$15b2o$15b2o!


Soup:

#C xp27_y9330gzyb1789azy08q987yfooz33yfs2ib2zy6ai2sgzy910oo
#C C4_4 sample soup 1 of 1
#C https://catagolue.appspot.com/object/xp27_y9330gzyb1789azy08q987yfooz33yfs2ib2zy6ai2sgzy910oo/b3s23/C4_4
#C https://catagolue.appspot.com/hashsoup/C4_4/m_vd8KK4YQKXCK3770756/b3s23
#C https://catagolue.appspot.com/haul/b3s23/C4_4/d1a8f30e80ff5491e9e960d375fdf2b3
x = 32, y = 32, rule = B3/S23
bobbobbbobboobooobbbbbooobobobob$
ooobbbbbbobbobbbbbbobobobboooboo$
bbobboobooobboooboobooooobooooob$
oooboobbbbooooooobooobboobbbbbbb$
boobobobobboboboboooboboooooobbo$
ooobooobboooobbboobooboobooboobb$
bbbboobboboboooooobbbooobboobobb$
obooobbobbooboobboooboobobbbbbbb$
oooooooboobobbbbooboobbobobobobo$
obobbooobobobboboooobboobbobboob$
booboboobbbbbobobbbbbbbboooboobb$
bboobobbobbooboboobbobooobooobbo$
bobooobooobbobobobooobbbbooboboo$
bbooobbobobbooooboobbobboobooobb$
bboboooooobobobboboooboboobboobo$
obboboobooboobooobobbobbbobooobo$
obooobobbbobboboooboobooboobobbo$
oboobboobobooobobboboboooooobobb$
bboooboobbobbooboooobbobobbooobb$
ooboboobbbbooobobobobbooobooobob$
obbooobooobobbooboboobbobboboobb$
bboobooobbbbbbbbobobbbbbooboboob$
boobbobboobboooobobbobobooobbobo$
obobobobobbooboobbbboboobooooooo$
bbbbbbboboobooobbooboobbobbooobo$
bboboobbooobbboooooobobobboobbbb$
bboobooboobooboobbboooobbooobooo$
obboooooobobooobobobobboboboboob$
bbbbbbboobbooobooooooobbbboobooo$
boooooboooooboobooobboooboobbobb$
oobooobbobobobbbbbbobbobbbbbbooo$
bobobobooobbbbboooboobbobbbobbob!


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Re: Soup search results

Postby muzik » October 2nd, 2017, 12:56 pm

Certainly took its time - I was well expecting it to turn up earlier.
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Re: Soup search results

Postby Apple Bottom » October 7th, 2017, 5:56 am

A p60 toadflipper showed up in C2_4:

#C https://catagolue.appspot.com/object/xp60_75777757zx8oogzzw75777757/b3s23
x = 10, y = 18, rule = B3/S23
8o$ob4obo$8o6$3b3o$4b3o6$2b8o$2bob4obo$2b8o!


Soup:

#C xp60_75777757zx8oogzzw75777757
#C C2_4 sample soup 1 of 1
#C https://catagolue.appspot.com/object/xp60_75777757zx8oogzzw75777757/b3s23/C2_4
#C https://catagolue.appspot.com/hashsoup/C2_4/m_PpfELpDWWiqQ3804609/b3s23
#C https://catagolue.appspot.com/haul/b3s23/C2_4/f4182397a458924e2a8dfd2bc40d08f1
x = 32, y = 32, rule = B3/S23
oobbbboooooooobobbbbbbbbbbbbbbbb$
bbbbooboobbobbbobbbbbbbbbbbbbbbb$
obobboobboooooobbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbb$
bobooobooobobboobbbbbbbbbbbbbbbb$
bbboobooobobboobbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbb$
obooboobboooooobbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbb$
oobbboobobooobbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbb$
obboobobooobbobbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbb$
boobobbooboobbbobbbbbbbbbbbbbbbb$
boobbooobbbbobbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbb$
oobboooooobobooobbbbbbbbbbbbbbbb$
oobobbbobobbboobbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbb$
bbbboobbbbboobbobbbbbbbbbbbbbbbb$
bbobboobbooooooobbbbbbbbbbbbbbbb$
oobbbboooboooooobbbbbbbbbbbbbbbb$
bobbbbobobbbbbobbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbb$
bbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbobbbbbobobbbbob$
bbbbbbbbbbbbbbbboooooobooobbbboo$
bbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbooooooobboobbobb$
bbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbobboobbbbboobbbb$
bbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbboobbbobobbboboo$
bbbbbbbbbbbbbbbboooboboooooobboo$
bbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbobbbbooobboob$
bbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbobbbooboobboboob$
bbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbobboooboboobbo$
bbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbboooboboobbboo$
bbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbboooooobbooboobo$
bbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbboobboboooboobbb$
bbbbbbbbbbbbbbbboobbobooobooobob$
bbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbboooooobboobbobo$
bbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbobbbobbooboobbbb$
bbbbbbbbbbbbbbbboboooooooobbbboo!


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Re: Soup search results

Postby Apple Bottom » October 13th, 2017, 4:57 pm

A second copy of Rich's p16:

#C xp16_om999e0e999mozx8kc0ck8
#C D2_+1 sample soup 2 of 2
#C https://catagolue.appspot.com/object/xp16_om999e0e999mozx8kc0ck8/b3s23/D2_+1
#C https://catagolue.appspot.com/hashsoup/D2_+1/m_xRMMjgUpExws5621597/b3s23
#C https://catagolue.appspot.com/haul/b3s23/D2_+1/9cfdc0bc298e0d8fac97ced1ae37e39c
x = 16, y = 31, rule = B3/S23
obbbbobooobbbbob$
bboobobobbbobbbb$
oooboboooobbobob$
bobbbbbbbbbbobbo$
ooboobooobooobob$
boobbobooooooobb$
obooooooobbooobo$
bobbbbbbbobboboo$
bbboboooboobbbob$
bbbbooboooboobbb$
obbobbbobboobbbb$
bbbbobbboobbboob$
oooobooobbobbobb$
bbbbbooooboobobb$
booobooboobboooo$
bbboboobboobooob$
booobooboobboooo$
bbbbbooooboobobb$
oooobooobbobbobb$
bbbbobbboobbboob$
obbobbbobboobbbb$
bbbbooboooboobbb$
bbboboooboobbbob$
bobbbbbbbobboboo$
obooooooobbooobo$
boobbobooooooobb$
ooboobooobooobob$
bobbbbbbbbbbobbo$
oooboboooobbobob$
bboobobobbbobbbb$
obbbbobooobbbbob!
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Re: Soup search results

Postby muzik » October 13th, 2017, 4:59 pm

If only we got an option to generate soups that were gutter from the very start, then we'd probably get a lot more of these.
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Re: Soup search results

Postby Apple Bottom » October 24th, 2017, 6:32 am

Nice xp6 in D4_+1:

#C https://catagolue.appspot.com/object/xp6_x25a404a52z70207nxn70207zx252101252/b3s23
x = 15, y = 13, rule = B3/S23
4bo5bo$3bobo3bobo$4bobobobo$5bo3bo$$o3b2o3b2o3bo$obob2o3b2obobo$o3b2o3b
2o3bo$$5bo3bo$4bobobobo$3bobo3bobo$4bo5bo!


Soup:

#C xp6_x25a404a52z70207nxn70207zx252101252
#C D4_+1 sample soup 1 of 1
#C https://catagolue.appspot.com/object/xp6_x25a404a52z70207nxn70207zx252101252/b3s23/D4_+1
#C https://catagolue.appspot.com/hashsoup/D4_+1/m_eeUaeunpjTAa1690965/b3s23
#C https://catagolue.appspot.com/haul/b3s23/D4_+1/cbaa7b9b6d98da60d42e4c7df80c4674
x = 31, y = 31, rule = B3/S23
oobboooboooobobbboboooobooobboo$
bboboboooobooobbboooboooobobobb$
obboobbbooobbbbbbbbbooobbboobbo$
bbobooboboobobbobbobooboboobobb$
oboooobooboobobbboboobooboooobo$
oobbbbobooboooboboooboobobbbboo$
boooboboooobobbbbboboooobobooob$
oobbboobbooooobobooooobboobbboo$
oobbbbbobbooobbbbbooobbobbbbboo$
bobbooobbooboobobooboobbooobbob$
oooobobobbobobooobobobboboboooo$
obboobobooobobbbbboboooboboobbo$
boboooobbobbobbbbbobbobboooobob$
obbboobboobbbooboobbboobboobbbo$
bbbbobbobobboobbboobbobobbobbbb$
oobbbobbbooboboboboboobbbobbboo$
bbbbobbobobboobbboobbobobbobbbb$
obbboobboobbbooboobbboobboobbbo$
boboooobbobbobbbbbobbobboooobob$
obboobobooobobbbbboboooboboobbo$
oooobobobbobobooobobobboboboooo$
bobbooobbooboobobooboobbooobbob$
oobbbbbobbooobbbbbooobbobbbbboo$
oobbboobbooooobobooooobboobbboo$
boooboboooobobbbbboboooobobooob$
oobbbbobooboooboboooboobobbbboo$
oboooobooboobobbboboobooboooobo$
bbobooboboobobbobbobooboboobobb$
obboobbbooobbbbbbbbbooobbboobbo$
bboboboooobooobbboooboooobobobb$
oobboooboooobobbboboooobooobboo!


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Re: Soup search results

Postby Scorbie » October 28th, 2017, 9:50 am

Apple Bottom wrote:Nice xp6 in D4_+1:
Nice! This is a variant of T-nosed p6
Oh you knew that: https://catagolue.appspot.com/object/xp ... hw11/b3s23
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Re: Soup search results

Postby Apple Bottom » October 28th, 2017, 6:44 pm

Scorbie wrote:Nice! This is a variant of T-nosed p6
Oh you knew that: https://catagolue.appspot.com/object/xp ... hw11/b3s23


I'm notoriously bad at recognizing oscillators, in fact just about anything, so I didn't realize (though I had a feeling it must've been known). Thanks for the pointer!
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Re: Soup search results

Postby Apple Bottom » November 11th, 2017, 7:32 pm

One of the last two remaining 14-bit still lifes has appeared from a C1 soup: xs14_31248ge123:

x = 16, y = 16, rule = B3/S23
bobooooboooooooo$
bbbooooobooboboo$
bboobobbboobbboo$
oboooobbbobboobb$
bbbboooboboobobo$
oobbboooobbobbob$
obbooobbbbobobbb$
bboobbbboobboobb$
bboobbbbbooooobb$
obooboobboobobbb$
obbbobbbooooobob$
ooboobbobbbobooo$
bobbbboobooboboo$
bboboooobobbobbb$
ooobobooobbboboo$
ooooobooooobbbob!


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This was previously seen in D8_1.

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Re: Soup search results

Postby dvgrn » November 11th, 2017, 7:53 pm

Apple Bottom wrote:One of the last two remaining 14-bit still lifes has appeared from a C1 soup: xs14_31248ge123...

About time! And it takes its time showing up in that soup, doesn't it? Fully formed at T=4305.

Here's LifeViewer running it to T=4304. If you haven't run the soup yet, see if you can pick out where this still life

Code: Select all
x = 5, y = 10, rule = B3/S23
3b2o$4bo$3bo$2bo$bo$o$b3o$4bo$3bo$3b2o!
#C [[ THUMBNAIL ]]

is going to show up on the next tick. The above is the correct orientation.

Code: Select all
x = 16, y = 16, rule = B3/S23
x = 16, y = 16, rule = B3/S23
bobooooboooooooo$bbbooooobooboboo$bboobobbboobbboo$oboooobbbobboobb$
bbbboooboboobobo$oobbboooobbobbob$obbooobbbbobobbb$bboobbbboobboobb$
bboobbbbbooooobb$obooboobboobobbb$obbbobbbooooobob$ooboobbobbbobooo$
bobbbboobooboboo$bboboooobobbobbb$ooobobooobbboboo$ooooobooooobbbob!
#C [[ AUTOSTART ZOOM 3.5 STEP 50 STOP 4304 ]]
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Re: Soup search results

Postby Saka » November 25th, 2017, 8:16 am

My very first first discovery that's listed on my page (There was another one but I lost it. It used to be in my signature, can anybody find it?).
x = 16, y = 16, rule = B3/S23
2o2bob3o$obobo2b3obo3bo$2o2b2obo4bobo$b2o2bobob3o$3o2bobo$bo2bob3ob5o$
b3o3bob3ob3o$bo2b3obobob2obo$4bob5ob2obo$2ob5ob2ob3o$bob5obo3b3o$2bobo
3b7o$b2o2b2obo2b5o$2obobob3obo2b2o$obo2b2ob2o3b3o$ob2obobo2bob2obo!

It's xs18_0ggs2552zpic. I like the apgcode.
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x = 17, y = 10, rule = B3/S23
b2ob2obo5b2o$11b4obo$2bob3o2bo2b3o$bo3b2o4b2o$o2bo2bob2o3b4o$bob2obo5b
o2b2o$2b2o4bobo2b3o$bo3b5ob2obobo$2bo5bob2o$4bob2o2bobobo!

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Re: Soup search results

Postby danny » December 3rd, 2017, 8:34 pm

This still life has only occured in g3b3s23. Here is the soup:
x = 16, y = 16, rule = 23/3/3
obbobbbobbobbobb$
bbobbbbobooooooo$
obobboooooboobbb$
bbobbobbbbbbbobb$
ooobobooboooboob$
oboboobbbbbbbooo$
bboobobooobboooo$
booobbobooboobob$
bbobooooooobobbb$
bobbboobbobooobo$
oobbbobboobobobb$
oboooobbobbobbbb$
oooboboboobbbbbb$
oobbbboobbbboobb$
boboobobobbbobbb$
oobbobbobbbobbbb!
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Re: Soup search results

Postby Saka » December 13th, 2017, 1:20 am

I found a maybe-synthable thing from one of my soups
x = 16, y = 16, rule = B3/S23
bob2o3bob3o$2b3o2b2o2bobo$4ob2o2b2o2b2o$obob2o3bobo2bo$3b4obobo4bo$ob
2o2bobob2o2bo$b2ob8o$2ob2o2b4obob2o$b4o2b4ob2obo$b3obobob4o$o3b2ob2ob
2ob3o$3b2ob4o$3ob6obo2bo$obo3b2o2b2ob2o$obo4b3o3b3o$3b2ob2o3bob2o!


x = 7, y = 12, rule = B3/S23
5b2o2$3b4o$3bob2o$6bo$6bo$4b2o$2b3obo$2b4o$2bo$obo3bo$3b2obo!

Maybe gen 3 or 5

There's also this other SL
x = 16, y = 16, rule = B3/S23
6b4obo2b2o$2obo7b2o2bo$bobo2b2ob3o$obob5obo2bo$bobob3o3bobobo$2obo2b3o
bo2b2o$4o3bo2bobob2o$5o3bob2o$2o2bobob2o2bobo$o5bobo2b3o$3bo2b4ob4o$3o
b4obob2o2bo$7b2obo2bo$o4bo3bob2obo$2b2o4b2o5bo$2ob3obobo4b2o!


x = 8, y = 9, rule = B3/S23
6bo$5b3o$o3bob2o$o3bobo$bo2b2o$bob3o$o2b2o$bo2bo$2bo!

Gen 3 or 4?
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x = 17, y = 10, rule = B3/S23
b2ob2obo5b2o$11b4obo$2bob3o2bo2b3o$bo3b2o4b2o$o2bo2bob2o3b4o$bob2obo5b
o2b2o$2b2o4bobo2b3o$bo3b5ob2obobo$2bo5bob2o$4bob2o2bobobo!

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Re: Soup search results

Postby muzik » January 12th, 2018, 7:52 am

Found in a haul that never got committed:

x = 16, y = 16, rule = B3/S23
obooooboooooooob$
oboobbobbooooooo$
oboooobbboobbobo$
bbbbobobbobobobo$
ooboooooobbooooo$
ooooooooooooobbb$
ooobobboobbooboo$
oobbbobbobbooobo$
booooobbbbooboob$
bobbooobbbboobbo$
obboobboobbobooo$
obboboooobobbbbb$
bbobbobbboboboob$
obobbbooobbooooo$
ooboobobbboobooo$
ooobbbbbooooobbo!
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Re: Soup search results

Postby gmc_nxtman » January 12th, 2018, 8:31 am

Seven gliders:

x = 37, y = 36, rule = LifeHistory
14.ABA$14.B2AB$15.A3B$16.4B$17.4B$18.4B2.D2BD$5.BA4.B7.3B3D2B3D$4.ABA
B2.3B7.BD8BD$5.2A6B8.B3D2B3D$5.9B5.5B4DB$4.11B4.10B$3.6BA6B.B.5B2D4B$
3.7BA12BD2BD5B$2.6B3A13B2D7B$3.9BA9B.9B$4.8B2A7B2.7B$5.6BABA7B3.6B$7.
13B4.7B$7.3B.9B5.2B.4B$6.4B.10B8.4B$5.4B3.9B9.4B$4.4B5.8B10.4B$3.4B6.
6B13.4B$2.4B9.4B14.B3A$.A3B11.4B14.A2B$B2AB13.4B14.A$ABA15.4B$19.4B$
20.4B$21.4B$22.4B$23.4B$24.4B$25.3BA$26.B2AB$27.ABA!
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Re: Soup search results

Postby hkoenig » January 12th, 2018, 11:29 am

Time to ask-- How does one convert "LifeHistory" into simple RLE format? At a minimum, the Gliders layer.

With Safari, the LifeViewer Ctrl-C gives me "Show in Viewer" when I paste.

If there's a way in Golly to extract it, it's hidden well.
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Re: Soup search results

Postby dvgrn » January 12th, 2018, 11:56 am

hkoenig wrote:Time to ask-- How does one convert "LifeHistory" into simple RLE format? At a minimum, the Gliders layer.

With Safari, the LifeViewer Ctrl-C gives me "Show in Viewer" when I paste.

If there's a way in Golly to extract it, it's hidden well.

There's a new addition to Golly 3.x -- not well advertised, partly because people who upgraded and kept their GollyPrefs won't get the default shortcuts.

On a new instance of Golly 3.x, Alt+H (Windows/Linux) or I believe Option+H (Mac) will convert a B3/S23 pattern to LifeHistory, and Alt+J / Option+J will convert LifeHistory back to plain-vanilla Life.

These shortcuts are just pointers to script files -- toLifeHistory.lua and toLife.lua in the Scripts/Lua folder.

For older versions of Golly, there are Python versions of the scripts floating around, e.g., in the LifeHistory archive in the Rule Table Repository. But the old toLife.py is much slower for large patterns... and it's worth moving up to Golly 3.x anyway.

The Ctrl+C problem with LifeViewer is one I used to see also. I thought it had been fixed in recent builds, but I just tried it in Chrome and got the same "Show in Viewer" string. From way back, the way people are trained to get the RLE is to click the "Select All" link in the code box, then Ctrl+C. (That got broken in a recent version of Chrome, too, but it's back in working order again now.)
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Re: Soup search results

Postby gameoflifemaniac » January 12th, 2018, 12:15 pm

dvgrn wrote:
hkoenig wrote:Time to ask-- How does one convert "LifeHistory" into simple RLE format? At a minimum, the Gliders layer.

With Safari, the LifeViewer Ctrl-C gives me "Show in Viewer" when I paste.

If there's a way in Golly to extract it, it's hidden well.

There's a new addition to Golly 3.x -- not well advertised, partly because people who upgraded and kept their GollyPrefs won't get the default shortcuts.

On a new instance of Golly 3.x, Alt+H (Windows/Linux) or I believe Option+H (Mac) will convert a B3/S23 pattern to LifeHistory, and Alt+J / Option+J will convert LifeHistory back to plain-vanilla Life.

These shortcuts are just pointers to script files -- toLifeHistory.lua and toLife.lua in the Scripts/Lua folder.

For older versions of Golly, there are Python versions of the scripts floating around, e.g., in the LifeHistory archive in the Rule Table Repository. But the old toLife.py is much slower for large patterns... and it's worth moving up to Golly 3.x anyway.

Alt-H/Alt-J doesn't work for me. I'm on Windows 10.
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Re: Soup search results

Postby dvgrn » January 12th, 2018, 12:21 pm

gameoflifemaniac wrote:Alt-H/Alt-J doesn't work for me. I'm on Windows 10.

If you had an old GollyPrefs on your system from a 2.x version of Golly, then that's what will happen -- Golly won't overwrite your existing preferences with new default ones. (But I seem to remember you're familiar with that).

You can make Alt+H and Alt+J work, very easily. Go to File > Preferences > Keyboard, type Alt+H, and choose the file Scripts/Lua/toLifeHistory.lua ... then do the same for Alt+J, choosing toLife.lua .
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Re: Soup search results

Postby mniemiec » January 12th, 2018, 12:43 pm

hkoenig wrote:Time to ask-- How does one convert "LifeHistory" into simple RLE format? At a minimum, the Gliders layer.

dvgrn wrote:There's a new addition to Golly 3.x -- not well advertised, partly because people who upgraded and kept their GollyPrefs won't get the default shortcuts. ...

I haven't yet upgraded to Golly 3.x, so I can't try that yet. One thing I have done in the past is to manually switch the rule from LifeHistory to Life, but the results were rarely usable (i.e. the shadow cells turned into living cells). What I usually do is to take the LifeHistory RLE, paste it into Notepad, and then do manual global replaces of A (and occasionally some other letters) by o, all other letters (typically B) by b, and . by b. As this only takes a few seconds, I don't feel it overly cumbersome.
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Re: Soup search results

Postby dvgrn » January 12th, 2018, 1:09 pm

mniemiec wrote:
dvgrn wrote:There's a new addition to Golly 3.x -- not well advertised, partly because people who upgraded and kept their GollyPrefs won't get the default shortcuts. ...

I haven't yet upgraded to Golly 3.x, so I can't try that yet. One thing I have done in the past is to manually switch the rule from LifeHistory to Life, but the results were rarely usable (i.e. the shadow cells turned into living cells). What I usually do is to take the LifeHistory RLE, paste it into Notepad, and then do manual global replaces of A (and occasionally some other letters) by o, all other letters (typically B) by b, and . by b. As this only takes a few seconds, I don't feel it overly cumbersome.

Yeah, I do the same thing whenever I'm stuck on some foreign computer and just want to clean up one LifeHistory file. But that's not really something to recommend to people who aren't entirely comfortable with the details of RLE format.

It also only takes a few seconds to set up a keyboard shortcut to point to a LifeHistory-to-Life conversion script -- and then you have really instantaneous cleanup available in Golly, even if it's an older version. Here's a good Python LifeHistory-to-Life script by simsim314 -- handles all the marked states and gray cells correctly.

In the other direction, if you want a keyboard shortcut, you can actually set up the key combination of your choice to open a rule file directly, like Rules/Life.rule.
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Re: Soup search results

Postby hkoenig » January 12th, 2018, 2:51 pm

Okay. Setting up the keyboard equivalent worked.

I haven't yet upgraded to Golly 3.x, so I can't try that yet. One thing I have done in the past is to manually switch the rule from LifeHistory to Life, but the results were rarely usable (i.e. the shadow cells turned into living cells). What I usually do is to take the LifeHistory RLE, paste it into Notepad, and then do manual global replaces of A (and occasionally some other letters) by o, all other letters (typically B) by b, and . by b. As this only takes a few seconds, I don't feel it overly cumbersome.


Thanks. I couldn't even find a description of the encoding, either. Now at least I should have enough information that I should be able to add this converter as yet another feature in my LifeUtils app.
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Re: Soup search results

Postby dvgrn » January 12th, 2018, 3:18 pm

hkoenig wrote:I couldn't even find a description of the encoding, either. Now at least I should have enough information that I should be able to add this converter as yet another feature in my LifeUtils app.

A complete summary of multistate RLE format is in Golly's "File Formats" help document.

It's straightforward-ish for rules with up to 24 states, but then gets a little arbitrary after that.

For two-state rules, a "b" represents an off cell, and a "o" represents an on cell. For rules with more than two states, a "." represents a zero state; states 1..24 are represented by "A".."X", states 25..48 by "pA".."pX", states 49..72 by "qA".."qX", and on up to states 241..255 represented by "yA".."yO". The pattern reader is flexible and will permit "b" and "." interchangeably and "o" and "A" interchangeably.
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