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Re: Random posts

Postby Majestas32 » June 14th, 2018, 9:31 am

Google keeps "translating catagolue from polish" for me
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Re: Random posts

Postby KittyTac » June 14th, 2018, 11:16 pm

Majestas32 wrote:Google keeps "translating catagolue from polish" for me

The Polish language consists entirely of rulestrings. What? You didn't know?
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Re: Random posts

Postby Majestas32 » June 15th, 2018, 12:15 am

summoning lifeisawesome and gameoflifemaniac
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Re: Random posts

Postby gameoflifemaniac » June 15th, 2018, 10:43 am

Majestas32 wrote:summoning lifeisawesome and gameoflifemaniac

For example, 'bo' (or 'ponieważ') means 'because'.
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Re: Random posts

Postby Macbi » June 15th, 2018, 10:50 am

gameoflifemaniac wrote:'bo' (or 'ponieważ')
Eh? Are they the same word?
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Re: Random posts

Postby Majestas32 » June 15th, 2018, 12:31 pm

I think bo means as or since and ponieważ means because so there's a subtle difference like in English between those two words
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Re: Random posts

Postby gameoflifemaniac » June 16th, 2018, 2:50 am

Majestas32 wrote:I think bo means as or since and ponieważ means because so there's a subtle difference like in English between those two words

Rzeczywiście! Get it?
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Re: Random posts

Postby Majestas32 » June 16th, 2018, 8:09 am

Tak, oczywiście
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Re: Random posts

Postby danny » June 19th, 2018, 11:29 pm

hi gmc_nxtman
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Re: Random posts

Postby KittyTac » June 20th, 2018, 12:05 am

I frequent Bay12.
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Re: Random posts

Postby Redstoneboi » June 20th, 2018, 1:41 am

why doesn't the alphabet start with aeioubcd
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Re: Random posts

Postby Majestas32 » June 20th, 2018, 2:11 am

It should start with cekainyqjrtwz what are you talking about
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Re: Random posts

Postby calcyman » June 20th, 2018, 8:37 am

Majestas32 wrote:It should start with cekainjqrytwz what are you talking about


Wait, have I been spelling it wrong all this time? I've been using ceaiknjqrytwz as the canonical order: https://gitlab.com/apgoucher/lifelib/blob/master/genera/genuslist.py#L10

Phew, Golly agrees with me as well:
https://sourceforge.net/p/golly/code/ci/master/tree/gollybase/liferules.cpp#l28
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Re: Random posts

Postby Majestas32 » June 20th, 2018, 1:59 pm

According to neighbors2 it's cekainyqjrtwz
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Re: Random posts

Postby 77topaz » June 20th, 2018, 9:22 pm

The LifeWiki also uses the cekain order.
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Re: Random posts

Postby danny » June 20th, 2018, 11:02 pm

I usually use aceijknqrtwyz
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Re: Random posts

Postby Saka » June 20th, 2018, 11:44 pm

danny wrote:I usually use aceijknqrtwyz
77topaz wrote:The LifeWiki also uses the cekain order.

Woah those are some weird keyboard layouts
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o2b2o$2b2o4bobo2b3o$bo3b5ob2obobo$2bo5bob2o$4bob2o2bobobo!

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Re: Random posts

Postby calcyman » June 21st, 2018, 11:58 am

77topaz wrote:The LifeWiki also uses the cekain order.


Ooh, so we now have two rival competing factions: the Golly/lifelib 'ceaikn' clan and the LifeWiki/neighbors2 'cekain' clan. This causes slightly less of a problem than the 'v' did, but means that certain rules are canonised differently by different conventions. Fortunately, because Golly and lifelib agree, Catagolue has a consistent convention.
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Re: Random posts

Postby rowett » June 21st, 2018, 3:48 pm

calcyman wrote:
77topaz wrote:The LifeWiki also uses the cekain order.


Ooh, so we now have two rival competing factions: the Golly/lifelib 'ceaikn' clan and the LifeWiki/neighbors2 'cekain' clan. This causes slightly less of a problem than the 'v' did, but means that certain rules are canonised differently by different conventions. Fortunately, because Golly and lifelib agree, Catagolue has a consistent convention.

No, we don't. Neither order is correct. The canonical order is alphabetical and defined in the Golly documentation under the diagram:

Golly uses the following steps to convert a given non-totalistic rule into its canonical version:
  • An underscore can be used instead of a slash, but the canonical version always uses a slash.
  • The lowercase letters are listed in alphabetical order. For example, B2nic/S will become B2cin/S.
  • A given rule is converted to its shortest equivalent version. For example, B2ceikn/S will become B2-a/S. If equivalent rules have the same length then the version without the minus sign is preferred. For example, B4-qjrtwz/S will become B4aceikny/S.
  • It's possible for a non-totalistic rule to be converted to a totalistic rule. If you supply all the letters for a specific neighbor count then the canonical version removes the letters. For example, B2aceikn3/S will become B23/S. (Note that B2-3/S is equivalent to B2aceikn3/S so will also become B23/S.)
  • If you supply a minus sign and all the letters for a specific neighbor count then the letters and the neighbor count are removed. For example, B2-aceikn3/S will become B3/S.
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Re: Random posts

Postby calcyman » June 21st, 2018, 4:32 pm

rowett wrote:No, we don't. Neither order is correct. The canonical order is alphabetical and defined in the Golly documentation under the diagram:

Golly uses the following steps to convert a given non-totalistic rule into its canonical version:
  • An underscore can be used instead of a slash, but the canonical version always uses a slash.
  • The lowercase letters are listed in alphabetical order. For example, B2nic/S will become B2cin/S.
  • A given rule is converted to its shortest equivalent version. For example, B2ceikn/S will become B2-a/S. If equivalent rules have the same length then the version without the minus sign is preferred. For example, B4-qjrtwz/S will become B4aceikny/S.
  • It's possible for a non-totalistic rule to be converted to a totalistic rule. If you supply all the letters for a specific neighbor count then the canonical version removes the letters. For example, B2aceikn3/S will become B23/S. (Note that B2-3/S is equivalent to B2aceikn3/S so will also become B23/S.)
  • If you supply a minus sign and all the letters for a specific neighbor count then the letters and the neighbor count are removed. For example, B2-aceikn3/S will become B3/S.
LifeViewer also agrees with Golly - for obvious reasons.


Thank goodness! I'd forgotten that my own Python implementation also orders them alphabetically.
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Re: Random posts

Postby danny » June 21st, 2018, 5:54 pm

Woah, my comment was sarcastic, haha. Although that is very interesting...
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Re: Random posts

Postby 77topaz » June 21st, 2018, 10:05 pm

Yeah, I wasn't suggesting that rulestrings use the cekain order - they've always been alphabetical. The graphical illustrations, however, make more sense with cekain or ceaikn because of the groupings.
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Re: Random posts

Postby Majestas32 » June 21st, 2018, 11:18 pm

Or just use my method which numbers them all bSed on a binary number formes by a spiral around the saquare which is a system that can be infinitely extended to other neighborhoods
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Re: Random posts

Postby 77topaz » June 22nd, 2018, 12:05 am

"Your" system? You're just describing MAP strings.
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Re: Random posts

Postby wwei23 » June 22nd, 2018, 9:08 am

I had a really weird dream where I was talking to Danny in person and then this happened:
wwei23, in my dream wrote:Can you unban me from Conwaylife Lounge?

danny, in my dream wrote:Sure!
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