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Re: Spaceships made up of other spaceships (SMOS)

Postby 83bismuth38 » October 2nd, 2017, 7:54 pm

Saka wrote:
83bismuth38 wrote:i got no rule about this, but it seems cool. I'm gonna search for rules like this.
snudder thing: what about a SMOS made of a SMOS?

1. Use Rhombic's RuleSrc and make the following formation as a start:
x = 3, y = 10, rule = B3/S23
bo$2bo$3o5$3o$2bo$bo!

Set the generations to keep to 4. Now, wait, ships usually come from 60K to over 100K rules tested.

2. For a SMOS made of a SMOS, we would need a "very natural" SMOS that is versatile.

python doesn't work for me for some reason, and i saw an another thread that you can convert python to lua. please send a link ):
x = 8, y = 10, rule = B3/S23
3b2o$3b2o$2b3o$4bobo$2obobobo$3bo2bo$2bobo2bo$2bo4bo$2bo4bo$2bo!

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Re: Spaceships made up of other spaceships (SMOS)

Postby wildmyron » October 2nd, 2017, 11:07 pm

Some examples with a small c/2 ship

diagonal, 2c/40
x = 10, y = 10, rule = B2-ac3-aeqr4ciknry5-ikry6aei7c8/S1c2cei4w5n6c
7bobo$8bo6$o$bo$o!

diagonal, 3c/131
x = 12, y = 12, rule = B2eik3cijry4aijntwy5ejknq6ek7c/S1c2ce3eq4et5c
11bo$10bo$11bo8$bo$obo!

orthogonal, c/44 (3 ships)
x = 7, y = 11, rule = B2en3acij4cijnyz5eqy6ci7/S12-an3acery4krz5cjny68
obo$bo3$6bo$5bo$6bo3$bo$obo!


different c/2:

diagonal, c/10
x = 7, y = 7, rule = B2cen3aij4j5c/S1e2acn3ij4jwy
4bobo$5bo3$o$bo$o!

diagonal, 3c/25
x = 8, y = 8, rule = B2ce3aijq/S1e2ace
5bobo$6bo4$o$bo$o!

diagonal, 4c/26
x = 7, y = 7, rule = B2cek3ijk4jqr5ac/S1e2ace3acnr4jnr5cinq6acn7c
4bobo$5bo3$o$bo$o!

diagonal, 3c/31:
x = 8, y = 8, rule = B2-an3airy4jkrz5ciry6-cn/S1e2ckn3-cekn4aikqrwz5einqy6ek7c
5bobo$6bo4$o$bo$o!

orthogonal, 3c/38 (4 ships)
x = 7, y = 16, rule = B2cek3iy4ak/S1e2c3ceiry4y
4bobo$5bo3$o$bo$o3$o$bo$o3$5bo$4bobo!

There are probably several more with two copies which could be easily found.

And using the c/10 diagonal above, here's a 3c/59 orthogonal SMoSMoS:
x = 7, y = 18, rule = B2-ak3aijq4jnqwz5c8/S1e2acn3eij4jqwy5ry
4bobo$5bo3$o$bo$o5$o$bo$o3$5bo$4bobo!

and another, 2c/63 orthogonal
x = 7, y = 18, rule = B2-ak3aijry4eijn5cijn6ac/S1e2acn3eijky4jnwy5ikr6k
4bobo$5bo3$o$bo$o5$o$bo$o3$5bo$4bobo!

The search that found these two ran pretty quickly, certainly less than a million rules.

Another SMoSMoS using the 3c/25 this time, 12c/107 orthogonal
x = 8, y = 26, rule = B2ce3aijq/S1e2ace3kq4ac5c
5bobo$6bo4$o$bo$o11$o$bo$o4$6bo$5bobo!


Currently running an almost certainly futile search for a SMoSMoSMoS...
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Re: Spaceships made up of other spaceships (SMOS)

Postby Saka » October 3rd, 2017, 2:37 am

@wilmyron :o Amazing!! I did not expect that many SMOSMOS in 1 post!!! I need to search for more soon!
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x = 17, y = 10, rule = B3/S23
b2ob2obo5b2o$11b4obo$2bob3o2bo2b3o$bo3b2o4b2o$o2bo2bob2o3b4o$bob2obo5b
o2b2o$2b2o4bobo2b3o$bo3b5ob2obobo$2bo5bob2o$4bob2o2bobobo!

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Re: Spaceships made up of other spaceships (SMOS)

Postby toroidalet » October 3rd, 2017, 11:10 am

S4n double glider-based 11c/67
x = 5, y = 18, rule = B2i3-ceqy4aikt5acey6ik8/S2-i3-aiky4eny5-ejky6akn
2bobo$4bo$o2b2o$2bo$3o9$3o$2bo$o2b2o$4bo$2bobo!

Normal orthogonal 2 glider ships:
3c/27:
x = 3, y = 13, rule = B2i3acijn4aij6e8/S2-ck3ajnry4ajrz5acj7c
2bo$obo$b2o8$b2o$obo$2bo!

5c/31:
x = 3, y = 15, rule = B2i3-ckry4aejwyz5ekqy7/S2-n3ejknr4inqrz5aej6eik
bo$2bo$3o10$3o$2bo$bo!

2c/47:
x = 3, y = 12, rule = B2n3aeijny4az5a6i7c/S2ae3ijnqry4ceijrtyz5acijk6cek7
obo$b2o$bo7$bo$b2o$obo!

4c/25:
x = 3, y = 13, rule = B2i3-ckqy4akqz5iy6k7e8/S2ae3-ceqy4ejnqtw5eijqy6ei7c
o$b2o$2o8$2o$b2o$o!

4c/28:
x = 3, y = 14, rule = B3-kqry4c5iy6c/S2-n3-cikq4ejqrt5cy6ack7e8
bo$2bo$3o9$3o$2bo$bo!
x = 11, y = 5, rule = B2ck3-ij5n78/S01e2ei3-k5ai
8b2o$2o3b2o$bo4bo3bo$2bo2b2o$o7bo!

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Re: Spaceships made up of other spaceships (SMOS)

Postby muzik » October 5th, 2017, 12:30 pm

x = 10, y = 10, rule = B2ei3-cjkr4artwy5aekq6-ci7e8/S1c2-n4ry6c
7bobo$7b3o6$2o$bo$2o!


x = 10, y = 10, rule = B2ei3ainy4cjkqtw5cnq6cin7e8/S02-n3-akn4rwyz5iknq6cei7c8
7bobo$7b3o6$2o$bo$2o!
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Re: Spaceships made up of other spaceships (SMOS)

Postby AforAmpere » October 5th, 2017, 7:06 pm

3c/42:
x = 3, y = 12, rule = B2-ai3ek4kz5in6-ac7e8/S012cek3cjkq4ikrwyz5ejnqr6ei7e8
2bo2$obo7$obo2$2bo!


EDIT, a really strange 2c/54 diagonal:
x = 4, y = 10, rule = B2ce3-ceij4-aintw5kn6-ce7c/S012c3nr4e5jk6cik7e8
o2$obo5$bobo2$bo!
Things to work on:
- Find a (7,1)c/8 ship in a Non-totalistic rule (someone please search the rules)
- Find a C/10 in JustFriends
- Find a C/10 in Day and Night
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Re: Spaceships made up of other spaceships (SMOS)

Postby Saka » October 6th, 2017, 3:28 am

AforAmpere wrote:
EDIT, a really strange 2c/54 diagonal:
x = 4, y = 10, rule = B2ce3-ceij4-aintw5kn6-ce7c/S012c3nr4e5jk6cik7e8
o2$obo5$bobo2$bo!

Congrats! This is the first asymetric SMOS
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x = 17, y = 10, rule = B3/S23
b2ob2obo5b2o$11b4obo$2bob3o2bo2b3o$bo3b2o4b2o$o2bo2bob2o3b4o$bob2obo5b
o2b2o$2b2o4bobo2b3o$bo3b5ob2obobo$2bo5bob2o$4bob2o2bobobo!

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Re: Spaceships made up of other spaceships (SMOS)

Postby wildmyron » October 6th, 2017, 9:49 pm

@muzik: nice results, but could you please label them with at least their speed for the benefit of everyone reading?

@AforAmpere: That's quite a nice glide reflective diagonal ship. I haven't searched for many with that kind of geometry, I wonder how frequently they occur?

@Saka: it's not the first, there are some diagonal SMoS using two gliders earlier in the thread (I think by toroidalet)

Here are a few more SMoSMoS using the same diagonal c/10:

orthogonal 4c/140
x = 7, y = 22, rule = B2cen3aijry4cjnyz5ackq6-kn7/S1e2acn3ijy4jwy5cein
4bobo$5bo3$o$bo$o9$o$bo$o3$5bo$4bobo!

orthogonal c/50 (goes backwards relative to the others)
x = 7, y = 18, rule = B2cen3aijr4ijkn5cnr6n/S1e2acn3ijy4ijknqwy5iky6k7e
4bobo$5bo3$o$bo$o5$o$bo$o3$5bo$4bobo!

This one seemed the most promising for a SMoSMoSMoS - it works in 2^23 rules which is more than any of the others. This kind of search would benefit from Rhombic's idea of exhaustively trying all possible rules instead of randomly sampling them, but I just ran the search for a longer period of time in the hope that sufficient rules were sampled to find a result if one existed. No luck this time but I think there's likely to be one out there somewhere.
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Re: Spaceships made up of other spaceships (SMOS)

Postby Saka » October 8th, 2017, 12:13 am

c/21d with a 1D ship
x = 7, y = 7, rule = B2ci3aeijq4cjkqtyz5ainr6cek7/S02ce3-eny4-aknwz5aenry6-i8
2obo3$6bo2$6bo$6bo!


EDIT:
c/69 SMOSMOS with that:
x = 7, y = 20, rule = B2ci3aeijk4jktyz5-ckq6ek7/S02ce3-ejny4cejqry5ai6-ei
6bo$6bo2$6bo3$2obo7$2obo3$6bo2$6bo$6bo!
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x = 17, y = 10, rule = B3/S23
b2ob2obo5b2o$11b4obo$2bob3o2bo2b3o$bo3b2o4b2o$o2bo2bob2o3b4o$bob2obo5b
o2b2o$2b2o4bobo2b3o$bo3b5ob2obobo$2bo5bob2o$4bob2o2bobobo!

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Re: Spaceships made up of other spaceships (SMOS)

Postby Macbi » October 8th, 2017, 4:56 am

Has anyone tried looking for a SMOS made out of two different ships?
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Re: Spaceships made up of other spaceships (SMOS)

Postby 83bismuth38 » October 8th, 2017, 8:33 am

Macbi wrote:Has anyone tried looking for a SMOS made out of two different ships?
yeah, like a glider and LWSS! maybe it would even move at a 12.5 angle!
x = 8, y = 10, rule = B3/S23
3b2o$3b2o$2b3o$4bobo$2obobobo$3bo2bo$2bobo2bo$2bo4bo$2bo4bo$2bo!

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Re: Spaceships made up of other spaceships (SMOS)

Postby Saka » October 8th, 2017, 8:54 am

Macbi wrote:Has anyone tried looking for a SMOS made out of two different ships?

Hmm, a T+Glider ship would be kinda likely... unfortunately it's nighttime here so I cant search. My suggestion for you Merricans is to do it in T-life and do a formation where 2 gliders crash a T from opposite sides...
83bismuth38 wrote:yeah, like a glider and LWSS! maybe it would even move at a 12.5 angle!
I dont think this has a high chance of success - the LWSS is a pretty big ship for a "lightweight" title... it being a knightship is much less likely, considering that no knight-SMOS (Or even oblique) have been found.
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x = 17, y = 10, rule = B3/S23
b2ob2obo5b2o$11b4obo$2bob3o2bo2b3o$bo3b2o4b2o$o2bo2bob2o3b4o$bob2obo5b
o2b2o$2b2o4bobo2b3o$bo3b5ob2obobo$2bo5bob2o$4bob2o2bobobo!

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Re: Spaceships made up of other spaceships (SMOS)

Postby toroidalet » October 8th, 2017, 12:35 pm

A 4-glider SMOS (8c/68):
x = 6, y = 16, rule = B2ik3aijny4aey5ackr6cn8/S02ace3acjnr4aiwyz5jn6ak
5bo$3bobo$4b2o$bo$2bo$3o5$3o$2bo$bo$4b2o$3bobo$5bo!

Also about the scoring system, I suggest that the "wrong direction" should refer to orthogonal for orthogonal spaceships and diagonal for diagonal spaceships.
x = 11, y = 5, rule = B2ck3-ij5n78/S01e2ei3-k5ai
8b2o$2o3b2o$bo4bo3bo$2bo2b2o$o7bo!

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Re: Spaceships made up of other spaceships (SMOS)

Postby wildmyron » October 9th, 2017, 5:56 am

Saka wrote:Congrats! This is the first asymetric SMOS
wildmyron wrote:@Saka: it's not the first, there are some diagonal SMoS using two gliders earlier in the thread (I think by toroidalet)

After review it seems I am wrong. The post I was thinking of was actually by Goldtiger997 and all the results were symmetrical. I think it reminded me of some tests I did with similar glider configurations which were asymmetric.

Anyway, here are some results using the small c/4 diagonal related to the Just Friends ship.

standard 2 ship interactions -

ortho 2c/12
x = 3, y = 7, rule = B2-ak3acey4einqwyz5ceik6en/S12ce3acer4cny5-cjn6ek8
2bo$2o4$2o$2bo!

ortho 4c/45
x = 3, y = 13, rule = B2-ak3ey4acejqz5ijn6aci/S12ae3aceqy4ciqtyz5en6c
2bo$2o10$2o$2bo!

ortho 2c/25
x = 3, y = 9, rule = B2ce3eiq4ctz5iny/S12n3qy4n5j6c
2bo$2o6$2o$2bo!

ortho c/17
x = 2, y = 9, rule = B2cek3i4atw5er6c7e/S13eiqr4akrw5an
bo$bo$o4$o$bo$bo!

ortho c/38
x = 3, y = 9, rule = B2-an3akq4aeijnrw5cikny6ack7/S12a3ciy4aijky5-ciky6i
2bo$2o6$2o$2bo!


asymmetric search with same c/4 -

- in phase, same orientation

diag 2c/40 (glide reflective)
x = 4, y = 7, rule = B2cei3qy4-aciqt5ackny6a/S12an3-ceij4akqt5enr
3bo$b2o4$2o$2bo!

diag 4c/168 (glide reflective)
x = 4, y = 7, rule = B2cek3aq4ck5aiky6e7c/S12ae3ein4-ejnry5ajk6-ai7e
3bo$b2o4$2o$2bo!


- in phase, different orientation

diag c/18 (glide reflective)
x = 3, y = 7, rule = B2-ak3iq4ajknz5a/S12cn3ar4ajw5ir
o$b2o3$bo$o$o!


- out of phase

ortho 2c/40
x = 2, y = 9, rule = B2ce3k4ijktwy5aeqy6an/S12a3cjn4jknrt5ijnr6-ik
bo2$2o4$o$bo$bo!

diag 7c/82 (glide reflective)
x = 3, y = 7, rule = B2cen3kqy4acijnqw5-cekq6cen/S12i3ejky4acjqw5en
o$b2o4$obo$o!


SMoSMoS search using 2c/12 ship from above -
(works in ~3*10^17 rules)

diag c/37 (works in ~1.3x10^8 rules)
x = 14, y = 14, rule = B2-ak3aey4jknwyz5eiy/S12ce3ar4knw5ai7e
7bo3bo$5bobo3bobo4$bo2$2o4$2o2$bo!

diag c/105 (works in 2 rules)
x = 13, y = 13, rule = B2-ak3aekqy4aijnwyz5-aj6-c7/S12c3ay4nwy5ceikq7e
7bo3bo$7bo3bo$6bo5bo4$2bo$2o4$2o$2bo!


Currently running SMoSMoSMoS search with the c/37. As before, not really expecting to get a result, but who knows.
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Re: Spaceships made up of other spaceships (SMOS)

Postby Saka » October 9th, 2017, 9:22 am

3c/38o
x = 3, y = 9, rule = B2-a3ckqy4ciry5-jnr6-ik7c8/S12aek3ej4r6c8
2bo$2o6$2o$2bo!

4c/353o
x = 3, y = 11, rule = B2cei3aq4twyz5-cjqr6-c7c8/S12-c3jk4einrwy5ak6c7e
2bo$2o8$2o$2bo!
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x = 17, y = 10, rule = B3/S23
b2ob2obo5b2o$11b4obo$2bob3o2bo2b3o$bo3b2o4b2o$o2bo2bob2o3b4o$bob2obo5b
o2b2o$2b2o4bobo2b3o$bo3b5ob2obobo$2bo5bob2o$4bob2o2bobobo!

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Re: Spaceships made up of other spaceships (SMOS)

Postby wildmyron » October 10th, 2017, 5:28 am

Saka wrote:3c/38o
x = 3, y = 9, rule = B2-a3ckqy4ciry5-jnr6-ik7c8/S12aek3ej4r6c8
2bo$2o6$2o$2bo!

I thought this one was the same as a previous 3c/38 you posted but I see it's different

Saka wrote:4c/353o
x = 3, y = 11, rule = B2cei3aq4twyz5-cjqr6-c7c8/S12-c3jk4einrwy5ak6c7e
2bo$2o8$2o$2bo!

Nice high period ship.

The c/10 in the linked post inspired me to try another SMoSMoS search:

diag 2c/68
x = 12, y = 12, rule = B2ce3ekq4ceiz5ikq7c/S12-n3-aqr4ajn5ce
6bo3bo$6bo3bo$5bo5bo3$2bo$2o4$2o$2bo!

diag 8c/156
x = 12, y = 12, rule = B2ce3ae4eiqt5-cenr6k/S123-acry4anqy5-ckry6an7
6bo3bo$6bo3bo$5bo5bo3$2bo$2o4$2o$2bo!

diag c/142
x = 15, y = 15, rule = B2ce3aeky4ijkqt5aikny6-ac7c/S123-acry4knz5-ajry6-ck7e
12bo$13b2o4$13b2o$12bo6$o5bo$bo3bo$bo3bo!

Rather than continuing on in the same vein I changed tack to try to find some examples in different orientations. That search is taking a lot longer to find something.

Macbi wrote:Has anyone tried looking for a SMOS made out of two different ships?

The c/2 and c/3 ships from AforAmpere's "five 3-cell ship" rule make good candidates for this idea.

ortho c/37
x = 8, y = 3, rule = B2ekn3-akny4acjrtw5acjr6ik7/S02-ei3cknqr4-aeijk5cej6an78
o6bo$2bo3bo$o6bo!

ortho 5c/70 - includes bonus OTR reaction
x = 8, y = 3, rule = B2ekn3eij4-cinrz5ejr6aik8/S02-ei3acq4-iqtwy5ejnqy6ck7c8
o6bo$2bo3bo$o6bo!


wildmyron wrote:Currently running SMoSMoSMoS search with the c/37. As before, not really expecting to get a result, but who knows.

As expected, no result after ~2*10^8 rules. This was in the standard configuration for diagonal ships at the minimum spacing, but not exhaustive due to use of random rule generator.
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Re: Spaceships made up of other spaceships (SMOS)

Postby Macbi » October 10th, 2017, 5:32 am

wildmyron wrote:ortho 5c/70 - includes bonus OTR reaction
x = 8, y = 3, rule = B2ekn3eij4-cinrz5ejr6aik8/S02-ei3acq4-iqtwy5ejnqy6ck7c8
o6bo$2bo3bo$o6bo!

Cool! I was not expecting them to use a head-on collision.
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Re: Spaceships made up of other spaceships (SMOS)

Postby wildmyron » October 10th, 2017, 1:26 pm

Macbi wrote:Cool! I was not expecting them to use a head-on collision.

Here's one with an orthogonal placement of the same two ships. The search ran for a lot longer before finding this one.

ortho 2c/58 with c/2 and c/3 ships
x = 7, y = 7, rule = B2ek3eiknq4eknryz5a6ace/S02ack3-cei4eqrty5ejny6a7c
4bobo2$5bo2$o$bo$o!

The asymmetry here does mean there's the potential for a knightship, but I'm not sure how likely that is.
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Re: Spaceships made up of other spaceships (SMOS)

Postby Goldtiger997 » October 15th, 2017, 9:24 am

Saka wrote:I did not expect that many SMOSMOS in 1 post!!! I need to search for more soon!


Here are 28 SMOSMOSs, found with a mixture of different rulesrc versions, based on a c/2 tship. It contains SMOSs, which then have all the SMOSMOSs that I found of that SMOSs indented below that SMOS. I am currently searching for more.

x = 6, y = 6, rule = B2e3ei/S2ac
o$bo$o2$4bo$3bobo!


B2ek3eij5c/S1e2ack3anq4nq5k   (3,3)/   15
B2e3eij4acr5i/S02acekn3q4aeq   (2,2)/   10

   none found with long but non-exaustive search

B2eik3ceijky/S2ack3n   (3,3)/   16

   x = 19, y = 6, rule = B2eik3ceijky/S2ack3n
   o17bo$bo15bo$o17bo2$4bo9bo$3bobo7bobo!

   B2eik3-anq4ijknqyz5y6e7c8/S1e2ack3ny4inqy5aeqy6e (3,0)/   56

B2eik3ceijy4at5cijkn7c/S1e2aci3n4q   (3,3)/   18

   x = 14, y = 6, rule = B2eik3ceijy4at5cijkn7c/S1e2aci3n4q
   o12bo$bo10bo$o12bo2$4bo4bo$3bobo2bobo!


   B2eik3ceijy4at5-ay6-ck7/S1e2aci3kn4cekqy5-ikqr6-k (3,0)/ 90

B2ei3ein4c5cj/S02aci3cny4ain5i6i   (2,2)/   13

   none found with long but non-exaustive search

B2eik3eir4cty5ckn6e/S2ac5a   (2,2)/   20
B2ek3ceijnry4ajkn5ijq6kn7c/S2ace3c4ny5k6k   (3,3)/   24
B2eik3ceijqr4cejnq5q7c/S1e2ac3jkqry4anqy5jnr6en   (2,2)/   25
B2eik3ceir4rw5c/S2ack3q5cr   (1,1)/   12
   
   x = 16, y = 6, rule = B2eik3ceir4rw5c/S2ack3q5cr
   o14bo$bo12bo$o14bo2$4bo6bo$3bobo4bobo!


   B2eik3ceiqr4irtw5c6ck/S2ack3jqry4j5cir6ak7c   (1,0)/   53
   B2eik3ceinqr4rw5cij6ac/S2ack3kq4t5cjr7c   (1,0)/   57
   B2eik3ceinr4eirtw5cinr6c/S2ack3jq4k5acejqr   (3,0)/   55
   B2eik3ceinqr4cijrwz5cjnry6ck/S2ack3qr4kz5acry6aek7   (3,0)/   65
   B2eik3ceinqr4qrw5c6e/S2ack3jqry4rtz5cnqr6ckn7c   (4,0)/   91
   B2eik3ceinqr4ijrw5c6c/S2ack3kqy4kt5ceir6ce7c   (1,0)/   46
   B2eik3ceir4erwz5aceir6kn/S2ack3q4i5acnr   (7,0)/   90
   B2eik3-ajky4jrtw5cr6c7e/S2ack3jqy4rw5-nq6ei7c (3,0)/ 62
   B2eik3ceiqr4rtwz5cin6ck/S2ack3jq4k5-k6 (3,0)/ 61
   B2eik3-ajky4rtw5c6-/S2ack3qr4ikz5-7c (1,0)/ 47
   B2eik3ceiqr4rwz5ceijy6-n/S2ack3cjkqr4ktwz5-y6acen7e (2,0)/ 73
   B2eik3-ajky4ijqrwz5cikry6ck7e/S2ack3ckqry4iktw5-ijy (3,0)/ 72
   B2eik3-ajky4ijrwz5-iq/S2ack3qy4t5acr6-a7c8 (1,0)/ 50



   x = 17, y = 6, rule = B2eik3ceir4rw5c/S2ack3q5cr
   o15bo$bo13bo$o15bo2$4bo7bo$3bobo5bobo!


   B2eik3ceir4jrwz5ciny6n7e/S2ack3jqry4cw5acijry6ce7e   (3,0)/   66
   B2eik3ceinqr4irtwz5c6c/S2ack3qr5cr   (3,0)/   97
   B2eik3ceiqr4ceijrwz5cijnr6kn8/S2ack3jqry4z5acr6k7e8   (9,0)/   286
   B2eik3ceir4ejrtw5cn6c/S2ack3kqr4z5ceinr6ai7c8   (1,0)/   59
   B2eik3-ajky4cirw5-jknq6-ae7e/S2ack3cjqy4ijrtz5cnry6n7e8 (3,0)/   157

B2eik3ceij4r5q/S1e2ac4e   (1,1)/   14

   x = 16, y = 6, rule = B2eik3ceij4r5q/S1e2ac4e
   o14bo$bo12bo$o14bo2$4bo6bo$3bobo4bobo!

   B2eik3ceijq4enrtz5jqy6ce/S1e2ac3acr4ceikr5ejry6ac7c (3,0)/ 111
   B2eik3-akry4ceirz5inqr6eik7e/S1e2ac3r4-acjnz5-ejqy6k7e (3,0)/ 69

B2e3eij4ajk6n/S1e2ac3n4q   (2,2)/   10

   x = 17, y = 6, rule = B2e3eij4ajk6n/S1e2ac3n4q
   o15bo$bo13bo$o15bo2$4bo7bo$3bobo5bobo!
   

   B2e3eijnq4ajknryz5cjr6n/S1e2aci3knr4kq7   (5,0)/   57
   B2e3eijnq4ajkqrtz5cnq6aen7/S1e2aci3cnr4jq5qy6k7e (3,0)/   142


   
   x = 18, y = 6, rule = B2e3eij4ajk6n/S1e2ac3n4q
   o16bo$bo14bo$o16bo2$4bo8bo$3bobo6bobo!


   B2e3eijnq4aejknryz5cikny6kn/S1e2acei3jny4ijqt5aeqy6e7c   (2,0)/   52
   B2e3eijnry4ajk5kn6in7e/S1e2ac3nr4ikqw5eijn6k   (4,0)/   68


B2ek3ceijy4ikt5acr6ck7c/S1e2ace3ar4aejr5nry6k7e   (3,3)/   29
B2e3eijr4aen5acq6n7c8/S2acen3jnq4jkqry5jq6aikn   (3,3)/   21
B2ek3eikn4j8/S01e2ac4ikr   (1,1)/   13
   
   x = 16, y = 6, rule = B2ek3eikn4j8/S01e2ac4ikr
   o14bo$bo12bo$o14bo2$4bo6bo$3bobo4bobo!


   B2ek3eiknqy4aj5y6k8/S01e2ac3r4iknr   (2,0)/   54



   x = 17, y = 6, rule = B2ek3eikn4j8/S01e2ac4ikr
   o15bo$bo13bo$o15bo2$4bo7bo$3bobo5bobo!


   B2ek3eikny4j5anry6aek8/S01e2ac4acikry5iq6ak (5,0)/  104

B2eik3ceiknr4aeknqrtyz5eknqr6aceik/S2ace3cj4ckqw5ckr6e   (6,6)/   42
B2ek3eijn4jnq5nq6e/S2ace4n5e   (1,1)/   51
B2ek3einy5en6cn/S1e2ac3nq4ajr   (4,4)/   38
B2ek3ei4a6a/S2acekn3cjnr4ar5y   (1,1)/   15
B2eik3ceijkry4ik5ckr6an7/S02acekn3nq4arwz5i6ck7c   (1,1)/   33
B2ei3ceijy4n8/S01e2acek3acq4i5cry6ck7c   (1,1)/   24


Here are some of the more interesting ones:

9c/286:(catagolue)
x = 19, y = 6, rule = B2eik3ceiqr4ceijrwz5cijnr6kn8/S2ack3jqry4z5acr6k7e8
o17bo$bo15bo$o17bo2$4bo9bo$3bobo7bobo!


3c/142: (catagolue)
x = 13, y = 6, rule = B2e3eijnq4ajkqrtz5cnq6aen7/S1e2aci3cnr4jq5qy6k7e
o11bo$bo9bo$o11bo2$4bo3bo$3bobobobo!


c/46:
x = 17, y = 11, rule = B2eik3ceinqr4ijrw5c6c/S2ack3kqy4kt5ceir6ce7c
3$2bo10bo$3bo8bo$2bo10bo$5bo4bo$4bobo2bobo!


Some of theses may be viable for SMOSMOSMOS, but it is unlikely.
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Re: Spaceships made up of other spaceships (SMOS)

Postby wildmyron » October 16th, 2017, 12:26 am

Goldtiger997 wrote:Some of theses may be viable for SMOSMOSMOS, but it is unlikely.

I haven't looked at them all, but the c/46 I think is a reasonable candidate - at least as good as any I've posted. It works in 2^28 rules and I ran an unsuccessful search with this pattern
x = 21, y = 21, rule = B2eik3-ajky4ijrw5c6c/S2ack3kqy4kt5ceir6ce7c
9bo10bo$10bo8bo$9bo10bo$12bo4bo$11bobo2bobo5$obo$bo$4bo$3bo$4bo3$4bo$
3bo$4bo$bo$obo!

for ~12*10^6 iterations. That's about 5% of the rulespace, so there's still some prospect of a successful result.

I'm now at the point where I don't know what to do with all the results I'm getting. I have about 2500 two glider SMoS, and another 1000 with the same c/2 T-ship as above. I honestly don't know how to find the most interesting or useful ones amongst them all, though there are some nice new speeds amongst them which I will try to filter out and post.
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Re: Spaceships made up of other spaceships (SMOS)

Postby muzik » October 16th, 2017, 4:23 am

Why not just post all of them in a zip file or something?
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Re: Spaceships made up of other spaceships (SMOS)

Postby wildmyron » October 16th, 2017, 4:50 am

wildmyron wrote:
Goldtiger997 wrote:Some of theses may be viable for SMOSMOSMOS, but it is unlikely.

I haven't looked at them all, but the c/46 I think is a reasonable candidate - at least as good as any I've posted. It works in 2^28 rules ...

After further consideration I'm less optimistic about this. It seems to me that a vast majority of them follow an evolutionary path resulting in either just two of the SMoS (as in the pattern above) or a single checker. There's possibly some benefit to constraining the search to include combinations of transitions which don't result in one of those two outcomes, but I don't think I'll bother for this one.

muzik wrote:Why not just post all of them in a zip file or something?

I'm not sure there's much interest in that though. But seeing as you asked, I'll try to compile a collection and post it later this week.
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Re: Spaceships made up of other spaceships (SMOS)

Postby AforAmpere » October 22nd, 2017, 5:45 pm

6c/109 SMOSMOS, made out of C/25 diagonal ships, made out of C/2's:
x = 47, y = 6, rule = B2ek3einqy4r5in6c/S1e2ac3ar4cjkwy5aceqr6ekn7c8
o15bo12bo15bo$bo13bo14bo13bobo$o15bo12bo2$4bo7bo20bo$3bobo5bobo18bobo!


EDIT, a 6c/116 out of the same C/25's:
x = 17, y = 6, rule = B2ek3einqy4r5in6ekn8/S1e2ac3ar4ckw5-ciky6ikn7e
o15bo$bo13bo$o15bo2$4bo7bo$3bobo5bobo!


EDIT 2, 8c/215 SMOSMOS:
x = 17, y = 6, rule = B2ek3einqy4rz5in6en78/S1e2ac3ar4cikw5qr6kn
o15bo$bo13bo$o15bo2$4bo7bo$3bobo5bobo!


4c/125 SMOSMOS:
x = 17, y = 6, rule = B2ek3einqy5in6-ci/S1e2ac3ar4eikw5-cjkq678
o15bo$bo13bo$o15bo2$4bo7bo$3bobo5bobo!


3c/111 SMOSMOS:
x = 17, y = 6, rule = B2ek3einqy4r5in6ikn8/S1e2ac3ar4jkw5cejr6c
o15bo$bo13bo$o15bo2$4bo7bo$3bobo5bobo!


C/95:
x = 17, y = 6, rule = B2ek3einqy4r5in6-kn8/S1e2ac3ar4cekwy5ikr6-ak
3bobo5bobo$4bo7bo2$o15bo$bo13bo$o15bo!


4c/211:
x = 17, y = 6, rule = B2ek3einqy4r5in8/S1e2ac3ar4ijkwy5-ejqy6ack
o15bo$bo13bo$o15bo2$4bo7bo$3bobo5bobo!


6c/89:
x = 17, y = 6, rule = B2ek3einqy4z5in6ei7c8/S1e2ac3ar4kwy5knr
o15bo$bo13bo$o15bo2$4bo7bo$3bobo5bobo!


The 6c/89 seems to be very common, maybe a SMOSMOSMOS is possible.

8c/141:
x = 17, y = 6, rule = B2ek3einqy4z5in6-ei78/S1e2ac3ar4jkw5-ae6akn
o15bo$bo13bo$o15bo2$4bo7bo$3bobo5bobo!


7c/126:
x = 17, y = 6, rule = B2ek3einqy4r5in6i/S1e2ac3ar4ijkw5knr
o15bo$bo13bo$o15bo2$4bo7bo$3bobo5bobo!


4c/104:
x = 17, y = 6, rule = B2ek3einqy4r5in6ci7c8/S1e2ac3ar4ekwy5-akqy6c
o15bo$bo13bo$o15bo2$4bo7bo$3bobo5bobo!


6c/180:
x = 17, y = 6, rule = B2ek3einqy4rz5in6a/S1e2ac3ar4ikwy5ckqr6akn
o15bo$bo13bo$o15bo2$4bo7bo$3bobo5bobo!


7c/134:
x = 17, y = 6, rule = B2ek3einqy4r5in6ik/S1e2ac3ar4cjkw5-anqy6a
o15bo$bo13bo$o15bo2$4bo7bo$3bobo5bobo!


C/78:
x = 17, y = 6, rule = B2ek3einqy5in6k7c8/S1e2ac3ar4eijkwy5-aq6kn
o15bo$bo13bo$o15bo2$4bo7bo$3bobo5bobo!


12c/243:
x = 19, y = 8, rule = B2ek3einqy4r5in6ein7c8/S1e2ac3ar4ckwy5iqr6in
$o15bo$bo13bo$o15bo2$4bo7bo$3bobo5bobo!


C/177:
x = 17, y = 6, rule = B2ek3einqy4rz5in6ci78/S1e2ac3ar4cijkwy5-ay6c7e8
3bobo5bobo$4bo7bo2$o15bo$bo13bo$o15bo!


5c/85:
x = 17, y = 6, rule = B2ek3einqy5in6ac7c/S1e2ac3ar4ejkw5-ejny6ai
o15bo$bo13bo$o15bo2$4bo7bo$3bobo5bobo!


8c/112:
x = 17, y = 6, rule = B2ek3einqy4r5in6n7c8/S1e2ac3ar4ckwy5-ekq6ckn78
o15bo$bo13bo$o15bo2$4bo7bo$3bobo5bobo!
Things to work on:
- Find a (7,1)c/8 ship in a Non-totalistic rule (someone please search the rules)
- Find a C/10 in JustFriends
- Find a C/10 in Day and Night
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Re: Spaceships made up of other spaceships (SMOS)

Postby wildmyron » October 23rd, 2017, 2:58 am

AforAmpere wrote:<snip>Many SMOSMOS, made out of C/25 diagonal ships, made out of C/2's</snip>

The 6c/89 seems to be very common, maybe a SMOSMOSMOS is possible.

<snip>

That little c/2 sure is the basis for a lot of SMOSMOS. The 6c/89 works in 2^18 rules, which is on the low side to be optimistic. I ran a non-exhaustive search with the standard configuration which almost certainly tried all the rule combinations, but without success. The next most versatile ship is the 6c/180 which works in 2^17 rules.
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Re: Spaceships made up of other spaceships (SMOS)

Postby AforAmpere » October 23rd, 2017, 8:21 pm

First SMOS made out of knightships?
x = 11, y = 3, rule = B2e3aeij4-artyz5eikq6kn7c8/S23-akn4-ejkn5aekqy6-ak8
2o7b2o$b2o5b2o$bo7bo!
Things to work on:
- Find a (7,1)c/8 ship in a Non-totalistic rule (someone please search the rules)
- Find a C/10 in JustFriends
- Find a C/10 in Day and Night
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