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### Re: tlife

Posted: October 15th, 2015, 12:46 am
Sphenocorona wrote:
A for awesome wrote:Is a synthesis possible for the skewed variant of the 2c/4?

If someone can place these snakes, then yes:
`x = 21, y = 22, rule = TLifeHistory14.A\$14.A.A\$7.A.A4.2A\$.A6.2A\$2.A5.A\$3A14.A\$16.A\$6.2A2.2A.A2.3A\$7.2A.A.2A\$6.A5\$8.2A2.A.2A\$9.2A.2A.A2.3A\$8.A9.A\$19.A2\$10.3A\$10.A\$11.A!`

Here you go!
`x = 40, y = 27, rule = tlife16bobo\$5bo11b2o\$3bobo11bo13bo\$4b2o19bo5bobo3bo\$24bo6b2o4bobo\$24b3o10b2o5\$20b2o\$19b2o\$21bo\$10b2o\$11b2o\$10bo7\$b2o\$obo4b2o\$2bo3bobo25b2o\$8bo25bobo\$34bo!`

If a link to the spaceship stamp collection is added to the first post I'll try to keep it up to date

Will do. The p8 is neat, was it found with a search program?

### Re: tlife

Posted: October 15th, 2015, 7:36 am
A for awesome wrote:Block to ship:
`x = 9, y = 10, rule = tlife7b2o\$7b2o\$2bo\$3b2o2bo\$2b2o2bobo2\$6b3o\$3o\$2bo\$bo!`

Block to ship takes 3:
`x = 50, y = 51, rule = TLifeHistory14.A\$13.A\$13.3A4\$CA\$2A3\$13.2A\$13.A.A\$13.A36\$48.2A\$47.2A\$49.A!`

### Re: tlife

Posted: October 15th, 2015, 10:18 pm
A few conduits:
`x = 58, y = 20, rule = TLifeHistory47.2C\$C29.C15.B2CB\$3C25.3C14.4B\$3.C23.C17.6B\$2.2C23.2C13.2C.8B\$2.5B17.5B13.2C.9B.B\$4.4B15.4B18.6BD3B2C\$3.5B15.5B17.5BDBD2B2C\$3.5B14.6B17.5BDBDB.B\$3.2BC3B14.2BC3B17.2BC2BD2B\$2.2B3C2B13.2B3C2B16.2B3C6B\$2.B2CBC15.B2CDC18.B2CBC4B2CB\$2.6B14.2B2DB18.9B2C\$2.7B14.DBD20.9B\$2.7B15.DB21.7B\$.8B38.4B2.3B\$2.3BD3B45.2C\$3.BDBD2B45.C\$4.DBD48.3C\$5.2D50.C!`

The last one is useless; I just like the catalyses.

### Re: tlife

Posted: October 16th, 2015, 12:10 pm
Some oscillators:
`x = 39, y = 7, rule = tlife2o6b2o\$bo2b2o2bo4b2o10b2o10b2o\$bobo2bobo4bo2bob4o3bo2bob4obo2bo\$2obo2bob2o5b2obo2bo5b2obo2bob2o\$bobo2bobo7bo2b2o7bo2b2o2bo\$bo2b2o2bo5bobo9bobo6bobo\$2o6b2o4b2o10b2o8b2o!`

2T+loaf = long ship:
`x = 8, y = 8, rule = tlife5bo\$4bobo\$o3bo2bo\$2o3b2o\$o2\$4bo\$3b3o!`

### Re: tlife

Posted: October 19th, 2015, 11:14 pm
4G Eater:
`x = 10, y = 17, rule = tlife7bo\$7bobo\$7b2o5\$bo\$2bo\$3o4\$bo\$obo\$o2bo\$b2o!`

New update to synthiesis database with updated glider counts.
EDIT: Updated again with new syntheses I forgot to add earlier.

### Re: tlife

Posted: October 20th, 2015, 2:05 pm
I don't see the new spaceship syntheses in the updated synthesis collection. Also, the t+halfbakery based synthesis I found isn't in there either.

### Re: tlife

Posted: October 20th, 2015, 8:36 pm
A component:
`x = 10, y = 11, rule = tlife6bo\$5bobo\$6bo2\$3bo3b3o\$4b2ob3o\$3b2o3bo2\$3o\$2bo\$bo!`

Another:
`x = 18, y = 27, rule = tlife12bo\$2b2o7bo\$bo2bo6b3o\$ob2obo21\$16bo\$15b2o\$15bobo!`

Edit: A longship-producing reaction:
`x = 11, y = 17, rule = tlifebo\$bo\$3o6\$9b2o\$8b2o\$9b2o\$10bo3\$4b2o\$3bo2bo\$4b2o!`

### Re: tlife

Posted: October 21st, 2015, 7:02 am
The second component first appeared in my second post on the first page of the Close Life Variants thread; sorry.
EDIT: 8 gliders puts a table on pretty much anything.
`x = 14, y = 20, rule = TLifeHistory4.A\$3.A.A\$4.2A2\$A\$2A\$A\$12.2A\$6.2D3.A.A\$7.D2.A\$7.D.A\$6.2D.2A2\$A\$2A\$A2\$4.2A\$3.A.A\$4.A!`

EDIT 2: Messing with M. I. Wright's TLifeHistory p59 gave this:
`x = 36, y = 29, rule = TLifeHistory23.B\$22.4B\$22.4B\$20.7B\$19.9B\$18.11B\$19.11B\$18.12B\$17.3B2CBAD4B\$18.2BA2DC6B\$17.F3BACA7B\$18.12B\$19.10B\$18.10B3.A\$8.B.F8.8B3.A.A\$5.B.5B.B5.8B3.A.A\$4.A10B.10B3.2A.3A\$3.5BC17B4.B4.A\$3.5B2C14B4.B2AB3A\$.8B2C13B3.3BA.A\$9BC19B\$.7BC21B\$.29B\$3.23BABAB\$4.10B2.11B2AB\$5.8B4.9B.A3B\$6.2B.3B9.B.B4.4B\$10.B10.B2AB4.4B\$22.2A6.4B!`

### Re: tlife

Posted: October 23rd, 2015, 7:23 pm
Turns out that A for Awesome's first B->G and the most recent T->G reaction I found are both edge-shooters.
`x = 83, y = 37, rule = tlife54bo\$53b3o12bo\$53bo2bo9b2ob2o\$54b2o9bo3b2o\$65bob2obo\$3bob3o56bo2bo\$2b6o9b3o45b2o3b2o\$b3o2b2o8b2ob2o44b2o9bo\$bo2bo10b3o49bo6b2ob2o\$b4o10bo5bo\$2b2obo2bobo4b2o4bo52b2o4bo\$4b3o2bo6bo3bo52bo6bo\$4b2ob2o8b2o54bo6b2o\$5b3o64bo6bo\$73bo\$76b3o\$77bo\$32bobo\$33b2o\$33bo\$44b2o\$43bobo3b2o\$39bo4bo4b2o\$obo16b3o18bo\$b2o16b3o16b2o\$bo16bo31b2o7bo\$5bo6bo36bobo5bo\$6bo42bo7bo3bo\$4b2o5bobo35b3o\$12bo43bo2b3o15b3obo\$12bo41b3o2b3o14b3o2b2o\$54b2obo18bob5o\$54b4o19bo2b2o\$56b2o2\$81bo\$81bo!`

I used both in this probably-too-large gun for the 'disemiMWSS' (the T->G is actually a better edgeshooter, but I didn't realize until I'd already finished the rest of the gun):
`x = 194, y = 187, rule = tlife99bo\$83bo13b2ob2o\$82bobo12b2o3bo\$81b2obo11bo2b2obo\$82b2o16bo2bo\$57bo43b2o\$56bobob2o36bob3o\$56bo3bob2o34bo\$57b2o4bo\$62bo\$37b2o20b2obo\$60b2o2\$34b2o\$34b2o5b2o66bo\$35bo3b2o2bo63b3o\$38b2ob3o66bo\$38b2obo63bo6bo\$40bo64bo6b2o\$38b2o64bo7bo\$38b2o65bobo\$105bobo\$75b2o31b2obo\$74bobo3b2o28bo43bobo\$75bo4b2o14b3o55bobo\$97bo55bo\$152b2obo2\$94bobo54bo3bo3bo\$93bo2bo55bob2o2bo\$94bobo12b2o42bo5bo\$108bob2o59bo\$109b3o58b3o\$109bobo61bo\$108b2o62bo\$104b2o2b4o\$109b2o5\$79bo69bo\$56bo20bobo69bobo\$55bobo20b2o69b2o\$55b2o\$153bo\$152bobo\$153b2o\$56b2o\$36bo19b2o\$35b3o\$34bo2bo114b2o\$35b2o115b2o20bo\$174bo\$100bo71b3obo\$101bo33bobo34bo4b2o\$99b3o33b2o34bobo3b2o\$136bo33bobo3b3o\$172bobob2o\$174b3o2\$62bo\$61bobo2\$36bo20bo3b3o\$34b2o21b2o\$34b2o3b2o16bo\$33bo2bo52bo74bo\$34bob2obo47bobo74b3o\$34bo3b2o48b2o74bo5b2ob2o\$35b2ob2o129b3ob2o\$37bo131bo2bo\$52bo15bo99bob2o\$50b2ob2o13bo99bobo\$169b2o\$48bo4b2o37b2o47b3o\$48bo6bo8bo2b2o22bobo46b2ob2o\$47b2o6bo7bob5o23bo45b3o3bo\$49bo6bo6b3o2b2o70b4ob2o13bo\$55bo8b3obo73b2o2bo11b2obo\$50b3o89bo2b2o11bo2bo\$51bo90b2obo12b3o\$100b2o40bobo\$100bobo\$100bo2\$91b2o\$90bobo\$92bo12\$78b3o67b3o20bo\$80bo67bo20bobo\$50b3obo24bo69bo39bo\$50b6o113b2o17b3o\$50b2o2b3o110b3o18bo2bo\$53bo2bo20bo73bo37b2o\$53b4o20b2o56b2o3bo9b2o\$47bobo2bob2o20bobo55bo15bobo\$48bo2b3o80bo\$49b2ob2o80bo2b4o\$50b3o83bo\$183bobo\$182bo2bo\$183bobo3\$62bo\$45b3o13b2o\$48bo12bobo126bo\$44bo3bo140bobo\$45bo142b2ob2o\$45bo142bo3bo\$45bo82bo59bo2b2o\$45bo2bo78b3o59bobo\$85bo40bo2bo60bo\$80b4o2bo40b2o\$51b2o26b2obobobo\$50bobo26bobo3bo\$52bo26b3ob2o\$80bob2o\$81b3o2\$192bo\$190b2obo\$190bo2bo\$190b3o4\$176bo\$38b3o134bo\$40bo133bob2o\$20b3o16bo35b2o\$19b2ob2o51b3o99b2o\$18bo3b3o52bo98bobo\$17b2ob4o13bo37b2obo97bobo\$17bo2b2o15b2o39bobo\$17b2o2bo14bobo32b2o2b2o3bo\$18bob2o51bo3b3o\$19bobo49b2o6\$89bo\$88b4o\$43b3o41b2ob2o\$43b4o39bob2o2bo\$42bo2b3o39b2ob2o\$47bo39b2ob2o\$40b3o3b2o41bo\$42bobo\$42b2ob2o\$44bo\$45bo\$3bobo\$b2o2b2o\$b2o3bo\$o\$b2obo3bo73b3o\$b2o5bo73bob5o\$3b2o3bo75bobob2o\$3b2ob2o78bobo\$5bo12b2o60b2o4bobo\$18b2o66b2o\$18b2o\$20bo2\$34b3obo\$33b3o2b2o\$33bob5o\$34bo2b2o3\$38bo\$38bo!`

EDIT: Shoot, I didn't see that the purpose of the earliest-colliding gliders was to make Ts; the gun could probably be made smaller by using T guns instead of the glider synthesis for those...

A crystal, slidegun and weird eating reaction - the latter two only work at p160:
`x = 433, y = 276, rule = tlifebo2bo3bo2bo116bo209bo\$4bo3bo103bo13b2ob2o191bo13b2ob2o\$o3bo3bo3bo98bobo12b2o3bo189bobo12b2o3bo\$4bo3bo101b2obo11bo2b2obo188b2obo11bo2b2obo\$bo2bo3bo2bo99b2o16bo2bo188b2o16bo2bo\$2b3o3b3o75bo43b2o164bo43b2o\$85bobob2o36bob3o163bobob2o36bob3o\$85bo3bob2o34bo167bo3bob2o34bo\$86b2o4bo203b2o4bo\$91bo209bo\$66b2o20b2obo184b2o20b2obo\$89b2o208b2o2\$63b2o208b2o\$63b2o5b2o66bo134b2o5b2o66bo\$64bo3b2o2bo63b3o135bo3b2o2bo63b3o\$67b2ob3o66bo137b2ob3o66bo\$67b2obo63bo6bo135b2obo63bo6bo\$69bo64bo6b2o136bo64bo6b2o\$67b2o64bo7bo135b2o64bo7bo\$67b2o65bobo140b2o65bobo\$134bobo207bobo\$104b2o31b2obo173b2o31b2obo\$103bobo3b2o28bo43bobo127bobo3b2o28bo43bobo\$104bo4b2o14b3o55bobo128bo4b2o14b3o55bobo\$126bo55bo153bo55bo\$181b2obo206b2obo2\$123bobo54bo3bo3bo144bobo54bo3bo3bo\$122bo2bo55bob2o2bo144bo2bo55bob2o2bo\$123bobo12b2o42bo5bo144bobo12b2o42bo5bo\$137bob2o59bo146bob2o59bo\$138b3o58b3o146b3o58b3o\$138bobo61bo145bobo61bo\$137b2o62bo145b2o62bo\$133b2o2b4o202b2o2b4o\$138b2o208b2o4\$bo2bo3bo2bo\$4bo3bo99bo69bo139bo69bo\$o3bo3bo3bo72bo20bobo69bobo114bo20bobo69bobo\$4bo3bo75bobo20b2o69b2o114bobo20b2o69b2o\$bo2bo3bo2bo72b2o208b2o\$2b3o3b3o171bo209bo\$181bobo207bobo\$182b2o208b2o\$85b2o208b2o\$65bo19b2o188bo19b2o\$64b3o207b3o\$63bo2bo114b2o90bo2bo114b2o\$64b2o115b2o20bo70b2o115b2o20bo\$203bo209bo\$129bo71b3obo133bo71b3obo\$130bo33bobo34bo4b2o132bo33bobo34bo4b2o\$128b3o33b2o34bobo3b2o130b3o33b2o34bobo3b2o\$165bo33bobo3b3o167bo33bobo3b3o\$201bobob2o204bobob2o\$203b3o207b3o2\$91bo209bo\$90bobo207bobo2\$65bo20bo3b3o182bo20bo3b3o\$63b2o21b2o185b2o21b2o\$63b2o3b2o16bo186b2o3b2o16bo\$62bo2bo52bo74bo78bo2bo52bo74bo\$63bob2obo47bobo74b3o77bob2obo47bobo74b3o\$63bo3b2o48b2o74bo5b2ob2o69bo3b2o48b2o74bo5b2ob2o\$64b2ob2o129b3ob2o70b2ob2o129b3ob2o\$66bo131bo2bo74bo131bo2bo\$81bo15bo99bob2o90bo15bo99bob2o\$79b2ob2o13bo99bobo89b2ob2o13bo99bobo\$198b2o208b2o\$77bo4b2o37b2o47b3o114bo4b2o37b2o47b3o\$77bo6bo8bo2b2o22bobo46b2ob2o113bo6bo8bo2b2o22bobo46b2ob2o\$76b2o6bo7bob5o23bo18b2ob2o22b3o3bo111b2o6bo7bob5o23bo18b2ob2o22b3o3bo\$78bo6bo6b3o2b2o42bo3bo23b4ob2o13bo98bo6bo6b3o2b2o42bo3bo23b4ob2o13bo\$84bo8b3obo44bobo26b2o2bo11b2obo103bo8b3obo44bobo26b2o2bo11b2obo\$bo2bo3bo2bo67b3o59bo3bo25bo2b2o11bo2bo98b3o59bo3bo25bo2b2o11bo2bo\$4bo3bo71bo90b2obo12b3o100bo90b2obo12b3o\$o3bo3bo3bo116b2o40bobo165b2o40bobo\$4bo3bo120bobo207bobo\$bo2bo3bo2bo117bo209bo\$2b3o3b3o\$120b2o208b2o\$119bobo207bobo\$121bo17b2o5b2o183bo17b2o5b2o\$138b4o3b4o199b4o3b4o\$138b2o7b2o199b2o7b2o\$138b2o2bobo2b2o199b2o2bobo2b2o\$139b3o3b3o201b3o3b3o\$140bo5bo203bo5bo7\$107b3o67b3o20bo116b3o67b3o20bo\$109bo67bo20bobo118bo67bo20bobo\$79b3obo24bo69bo39bo70b3obo24bo69bo39bo\$79b6o113b2o17b3o69b6o113b2o17b3o\$79b2o2b3o110b3o18bo2bo68b2o2b3o110b3o18bo2bo\$82bo2bo20bo73bo37b2o72bo2bo20bo73bo37b2o\$82b4o20b2o56b2o3bo9b2o111b4o20b2o56b2o3bo9b2o\$76bobo2bob2o20bobo55bo15bobo104bobo2bob2o20bobo55bo15bobo\$77bo2b3o80bo123bo2b3o80bo\$78b2ob2o80bo2b4o118b2ob2o80bo2b4o\$79b3o83bo123b3o83bo\$212bobo207bobo\$211bo2bo206bo2bo\$212bobo207bobo3\$91bo209bo\$74b3o13b2o192b3o13b2o\$77bo12bobo126bo67bo12bobo126bo\$73bo3bo140bobo62bo3bo140bobo\$bo2bo3bo2bo62bo142b2ob2o62bo142b2ob2o\$4bo3bo65bo142bo3bo62bo142bo3bo\$o3bo3bo3bo61bo82bo59bo2b2o62bo82bo59bo2b2o\$4bo3bo65bo2bo78b3o59bobo63bo2bo78b3o59bobo\$bo2bo3bo2bo102bo40bo2bo60bo104bo40bo2bo60bo\$2b3o3b3o98b4o2bo40b2o161b4o2bo40b2o\$80b2o26b2obobobo174b2o26b2obobobo\$79bobo26bobo3bo174bobo26bobo3bo\$81bo26b3ob2o177bo26b3ob2o\$109bob2o206bob2o\$110b3o207b3o2\$221bo209bo\$219b2obo206b2obo\$219bo2bo206bo2bo\$219b3o207b3o4\$205bo209bo\$67b3o134bo72b3o134bo\$69bo133bob2o72bo133bob2o\$49b3o16bo35b2o153b3o16bo35b2o\$48b2ob2o51b3o99b2o50b2ob2o51b3o99b2o\$47bo3b3o52bo98bobo49bo3b3o52bo98bobo\$46b2ob4o13bo37b2obo97bobo48b2ob4o13bo37b2obo97bobo\$46bo2b2o15b2o39bobo146bo2b2o15b2o39bobo\$46b2o2bo14bobo32b2o2b2o3bo146b2o2bo14bobo32b2o2b2o3bo\$47bob2o51bo3b3o148bob2o51bo3b3o\$48bobo49b2o156bobo49b2o6\$118bo209bo\$117b4o206b4o\$72b3o41b2ob2o161b3o41b2ob2o\$72b4o39bob2o2bo160b4o39bob2o2bo\$71bo2b3o39b2ob2o160bo2b3o39b2ob2o\$bo2bo3bo2bo64bo39b2ob2o165bo39b2ob2o\$4bo3bo60b3o3b2o41bo160b3o3b2o41bo\$o3bo3bo3bo58bobo207bobo\$4bo3bo62b2ob2o205b2ob2o\$bo2bo3bo2bo61bo209bo\$2b3o3b3o63bo209bo\$32bobo207bobo\$30b2o2b2o204b2o2b2o\$30b2o3bo103b2o5b2o92b2o3bo103b2o5b2o\$29bo108b4o3b4o90bo108b4o3b4o\$30b2obo3bo73b3o24b2o7b2o91b2obo3bo73b3o24b2o7b2o\$30b2o5bo73bob5o20b2o2bobo2b2o91b2o5bo73bob5o20b2o2bobo2b2o\$32b2o3bo75bobob2o20b3o3b3o94b2o3bo75bobob2o20b3o3b3o\$32b2ob2o78bobo22bo5bo95b2ob2o78bobo22bo5bo\$34bo12b2o60b2o4bobo126bo12b2o60b2o4bobo\$47b2o66b2o140b2o66b2o\$47b2o208b2o\$49bo209bo2\$63b3obo205b3obo\$62b3o2b2o203b3o2b2o\$62bob5o203bob5o\$63bo2b2o205bo2b2o3\$67bo209bo\$67bo209bo14\$bo2bo3bo2bo\$4bo3bo\$o3bo3bo3bo\$4bo3bo\$bo2bo3bo2bo\$2b3o3b3o8\$b2o\$b2o34\$139b2o5b2o201b2o5b2o\$138b4o3b4o199b4o3b4o\$138b2o7b2o199b2o7b2o\$138b2o2bobo2b2o199b2o2bobo2b2o\$139b3o3b3o201b3o3b3o\$140bo5bo203bo5bo10\$359b2o\$358bo2bo\$359b2o7\$139bo\$138bobo\$138bobo\$139bo!`

### Re: tlife

Posted: October 24th, 2015, 1:22 pm
I think there should be a stamp collection for spaceship syntheses separate from the regular one; here's a first go at it:
`x = 211, y = 71, rule = tlife183bo\$184bo\$182b3o\$204bo\$203bo\$203b3o\$182bo\$183bo\$181b3o2\$bo10bo28bo22bo36bobo51bobo33bobo\$o9bobo28bo20bobo37b2o51b2o35b2o\$3o8b2o27b3o20b2o14bo22bo53bo35bo\$79b2obo\$4bo9bo65bobo\$3b2o9bobo26b3o35bo\$3bobo8b2o27bo162bo\$44bo159b2o\$205b2o\$74bo120bo\$68b2o2b2o121b2o\$69b2o2b2o119bobo\$68bo\$42bo\$41b3o157b2o\$201bobo\$66b2o9b2o122bo\$66bobo7b2o\$66bo11bo2\$o16bo42b2o\$2o13b3o43b2o52bo27bo58b3o\$o16bo42bo12b2o12b3o25b2o25b2o58bo\$72bobo12bo27bo27bo59bo\$3bo10bo59bo13bo22bo35bo32b3o\$2b3o8b3o95bo35bo34bo\$110bobo33bobo32bo\$201b3o\$111bo35bo53bo\$202bo\$13bo\$13bobo\$13b2o3\$180bobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobo4\$2bo\$2o194bo\$b2o99b2o51b2o39bobo\$103b2o49b2o40b2o\$3b2o97bo53bo\$3bobo\$3bo\$192bobo\$100b3o53b3o34b2o4bo\$102bo53bo28bobo5bo3b2o\$101bo55bo28b2o10b2o\$181b2o3bo6b2o\$180bobo11bo\$182bo3b2o5bo\$186bo6b2o\$187bo11b3o\$186b2o11bo\$194b2o4bo\$194bobo\$185b2o7bo\$184bobo\$186bo!`

Roughly sorted in order of number of gliders. Did I miss any?

### Re: tlife

Posted: October 27th, 2015, 6:06 am
A for awesome wrote:
wildmyron wrote:14bit SL ("?14-mango with bend tail" in Catagolue) in 3G + 3T
`rle`

Not sure if this p8 with min population of 20 is known:
`rle`

Nice! How did you find them?
M. I. Wright wrote:The p8 is neat, was it found with a search program?

Some time ago I was working on a version of apgsearch for non-totalistic rules. It's been unused for a while but I thought I should dust it off for this rule. In particular, the addition of searching in symmetrical soups found the p8 as well as a few other oscillators with D4 symmetry.

There are still quite a few issues with searching non-life rules that I don't know how to deal with. This has deterred me from posting a version of the search tool publicly, but I would like to work through some of these and get a version out there. I hope to post more details on the Hacking apgsearch thread soon [No guarantees]. In the meantime, some more results posted below.

M. I. Wright wrote:
wildmyron wrote:If a link to the spaceship stamp collection is added to the first post I'll try to keep it up to date

Will do.

Thanks for the link. I updated the collection with the skewed variant of the 2c/4 and updated it again to switch the rule back to tlife. I also added a separate collection for diagonal ships - currently c/4 only.

Here are some results from soup search. I've also adapted a version of rgsearch to this rule and some of those results are included as well.

Natural objects from soup:

All three small gliders from one soup
`x = 16, y = 16, rule = B3_S2-i34q2b2ob4ob2o3bo\$bo2b12o\$3b6o5bo\$2o2b5ob2ob3o\$bobob2ob2obob2o\$4o3b2obob2o\$6obobobo3bo\$2obo3b2o2b2o2bo\$b2o3bobob5o\$obo2b2o2bo2b2o\$b2o2b2obob3o2bo\$o3bo4bo2bobo\$5b3ob2o4bo\$3o2bob3o3bo\$bo3bo3b2ob2obo\$bobobob7obo!`

One of the p160 dual t-ship guns (not surprising that they appear considering how common the p160 oscillator is)
`x = 16, y = 16, rule = B3_S2-i34qbo2b2ob2o2b2ob2o\$ob2ob2ob2o\$3ob2ob6o\$2b3o5bo2bobo\$8b6o\$4bo2bobo3b2o\$bo3b3o2b3o\$4o2bo5b2o\$bo3bobo2b4obo\$bob4obobo2b3o\$3ob3o2b2ob2obo\$2b3o3bo2bo2bo\$2bo5bo3bo2bo\$b3ob2o2bobo3bo\$bob3o2bo2b2o2bo\$o2bo2bobo4b3o!`

Shillelagh (appears in ~1 in 10,000 soups):
`x = 16, y = 16, rule = B3_S2-i34q4o2bo2bo3bobo\$o3bo3bo2b3obo\$o3b2ob2obo4bo\$2obob3obobo3bo\$b2ob2obo4b2obo\$2obobobob4ob2o\$ob2obobobo3bobo\$o2bo7b2o2bo\$2ob2o3bobobobo\$2bob8ob2o\$3o4b2ob2o3bo\$2o5b2obo3bo\$6o2bo2b2o\$2obobobobo3b2o\$ob5obob4obo\$b2o2b3o2bobo2bo!`

A new(?) c/5 - two interacting t-ships:
`x = 16, y = 16, rule = tlife2bo4b2o2b2o\$b4ob5ob2o\$obo3bob2o3b3o\$b2o2bob2o3b4o\$ob2ob2o2b2obob2o\$2b4ob2o3b2o\$2o2b4o2b3obo\$3b3ob3o4b2o\$bob2ob4o4b2o\$2b2obo3bob5o\$2bo2b2o4bob2o\$bob2ob2ob4ob2o\$2bobo3bo5bo\$o3b4obob2obo\$2b2ob4ob3o\$obo2bob3o4bo!`

The interaction is extensible. I guess you could say the t-ship is a tagalong for itself.

Glider syntheses:
4G - alternative eater synth, cis-mirrored R-loaf, twit, interacting t-ships
5G - alternative synth for 18-bit SL, p6 oscillator, very long boat, canoe, very^3 long ship
6G - shillelagh
7G - half-bakery, 11-bit SL
8G - p6 c/3 ship, block with two tails, 15-bent-paperclip, another 18-bit SL
12G - carrier siamese carrier
`x = 250, y = 293, rule = tlifeo2bo90b3o\$o2bo17b2o3b2o61bo4bo\$o2bo16bobo3bobo60b2o4bo\$4o18bo3bo61bobo\$3bo\$3bo52b2o3bo\$3bo20b2o29bobo2b2o\$23bobo31bo2bobo\$25bo104bo\$130b2o\$63bo41b3o2b2o18bo\$31b2o28b2o44bo2b2o23bo\$31bobo28b2o42bo5b2o21b2o\$31bo80b2o20bobo\$141b2o\$65b3o73bobo\$65bo29b2o44bo\$66bo27bobo\$96bo24\$68bo\$67bo\$56bo10b3o\$54bobo\$55b2o3\$141bo\$4o23bo3b2o28bo40b2o3b3o30bobo33bo\$o27bo2bobo28bo2bo36b2o3bo32bo2bo32bobo\$o25b3o3bo27b3o2bobo40bo32bobo32b2o\$4o61b2o75bo\$3bo93bo\$3bo93b2o14b3o27b2o31b2o\$4o92bobo14bo12b3o13bobo25b3o2bo2bo\$114bo13bo15bo27bo2bobo\$31b2o94bo43bo4bo\$32b2o152b2o\$31bo154bobo\$186bo\$40b2o\$40bobo90b2o\$40bo91bobo\$134bo17\$68bo\$28b3o36bo\$30bo36b3o\$29bo5\$56bo\$55bo\$55b3o4\$51bo\$50bo\$50b3o2\$4o44b3o\$o49bo\$o48bo\$4o\$o2bo\$o2bo\$4o2\$40b3o\$42bo\$41bo18\$18b3o\$20bo\$19bo8\$47bobo\$47b2o\$48bo4\$50bo\$50bobo\$50b2o4\$4o29bo4bo55bo\$o2bo28bobo2bo56bobo\$3bo27bo2bo2b3o50bo3b2o\$2b2o27bobo57bo\$2b2o28bo56b3o\$3bo82bo\$3bo82b2o\$86bo2\$98bo\$91b2o4b2o\$82bo7b2o5bobo\$82b2o8bo\$81bobo2\$51bo\$50b2o\$50bobo7\$52bo\$51b2o\$51bobo6\$118bo\$118bobo\$118b2o5\$248bo\$247bo\$247b3o8\$128bo43b2o52bo\$30bo96bo44b2o50b2o\$31b2o94b3o95b2o\$30b2o70bo\$70bobo28bo19bo47bo\$71b2o28b3o16bobo46bobo\$71bo47bo2bo46b2o\$120b2o108bo\$95bo3bo109bo19bo\$44bo51bobo28b2o78bobo19b3o\$42bobo49b3ob3o25bobo79b2o\$4o39b2o81b2o\$o2bo160bo\$o2bo158b2o\$b2o160b2o58b2o\$o2bo118b2ob2o90b3o2b2o\$o2bo41bo76b2obo93bo4bo\$4o42b2o77bo15bobo74bo\$45b2o75b3o17b2o41b2o4bo\$122bo19bo41bobo3bo\$53bo3bo128bo3b3o\$54bobo115bo71b2o\$52b3ob3o85bobo10bobo11bobo68b3obo\$145b2o10b2o12bo2bo56bobo7bo4bo\$145bo12bo11b2ob2o12b2o19bo22b2o8bo2b2o\$59b3ob3o105bobo13b2o19b2o22bo7b2obo\$61bobo90b2o14bo2bo33bobo30bo2bo\$60bo3bo80b3o6bobo14b2o68b2o\$85b2o20b3o37bo6bo76b2o\$86b2o19bo38bo84b2o\$85bo22bo17\$78b2o\$78b2o3\$81bo\$81bobo\$81b2o\$37bobo\$38b2o\$38bo5\$48bo15bo\$49bo13bo\$47b3o13b3o4\$65b2o\$64bobo\$66bo2b3o\$69bo\$o2b4o63bo\$o5bo\$o5bo\$o2b4o\$o2bo\$o2bo58b3o\$o2b4o46b2o7bo\$54b2o7bo\$53bo5\$30b3o52bo\$32bo51b2o\$31bo52bobo5\$94b3o\$94bo\$95bo!`

### Re: tlife

Posted: October 28th, 2015, 2:41 am
So, the c/3 synth above would normally be counted in CGoL as 9G due to the block that is left over. (indeed, many of the synths are listed under the number of gliders without cleanup)

However, I've found a faster, more direct synth in only 8G with cleanup:
`x = 24, y = 26, rule = tlife19bobo\$19b2o\$20bo3\$4bo\$2bobo\$3b2o2\$17bo\$16bo\$16b3o4bo\$21b2o\$22b2o6\$11bo\$2o10b2o\$b2o8b2o\$o\$14bo\$13b2o\$14bo!`

Synthesizing the ship itself only uses 7G with this method.

I have to say that this was based on wildmyron's synthesis, as I did not realize such a method was possible. I had to design a completely new spark for the back half of the ship because the other one came from a complicated mess.

### Re: tlife

Posted: October 28th, 2015, 3:04 am
Sphenocorona wrote:So, the c/3 synth above would normally be counted in CGoL as 9G due to the block that is left over. (indeed, many of the synths are listed under the number of gliders without cleanup)

I took a shortcut there and didn't actually include the cleanup glider in the pattern, but the synth is 7G plus 1G for cleanup. I think I placed a few of them a bit too close together making it difficult to distinguish which gliders belong to which syntheses. A few of the others have a separate cleanup step - 15-bent-paperclip in particular where one glider is used to cleanup an emitted glider and the leftover block. I believe I do have the glider counts correct.

Sphenocorona wrote:However, I've found a faster, more direct synth in only 8G with cleanup:
`x = 24, y = 26, rule = tlife19bobo\$19b2o\$20bo3\$4bo\$2bobo\$3b2o2\$17bo\$16bo\$16b3o4bo\$21b2o\$22b2o6\$11bo\$2o10b2o\$b2o8b2o\$o\$14bo\$13b2o\$14bo!`

That's a much nicer synthesis than the other one which came directly from a glider soup identified by my adaptation of rgsearch.

### Re: tlife

Posted: October 28th, 2015, 7:24 am
Those were very nice syntheses, wildmyron, but I was surprised to see a six-glider B synthesis when only two were needed for that.
15-bent paperclip in four gliders:
`x = 81, y = 31, rule = tlifeobo\$b2o\$bo4\$79bo\$78bo\$78b3o19\$61bo\$32bobo25bo\$33b2o25b3o\$33bo!`

### Re: tlife

Posted: October 28th, 2015, 10:29 am
That's not a 15-bent paperclip, as its population isn't 15.

### Re: tlife

Posted: October 28th, 2015, 10:56 am
BlinkerSpawn wrote:Those were very nice syntheses, wildmyron, but I was surprised to see a six-glider B synthesis when only two were needed for that.

Ha! I'm not very good at noticing these things. As above, this one came directly from a rgsearch result with only a bit of cleanup from me to remove non-contributing gliders.
gmc_nxtman wrote:That's not a 15-bent paperclip, as its population isn't 15.

15-bent paperclip refers to the previous synth in the 8G row. I referred to this one as "another 18-bit SL"

### Re: tlife

Posted: October 28th, 2015, 6:26 pm
wildmyron wrote:
gmc_nxtman wrote:That's not a 15-bent paperclip, as its population isn't 15.

15-bent paperclip refers to the previous synth in the 8G row. I referred to this one as "another 18-bit SL"

Pretty sure he was referring to me not thinking straight. :/
BlinkerSpawn wrote:15-bent paperclip in 4 gliders:

### Re: tlife

Posted: October 28th, 2015, 7:38 pm
wildmyron wrote:
A for awesome wrote:
wildmyron wrote:14bit SL ("?14-mango with bend tail" in Catagolue) in 3G + 3T
`rle`

Not sure if this p8 with min population of 20 is known:
`rle`

Nice! How did you find them?
M. I. Wright wrote:The p8 is neat, was it found with a search program?

Some time ago I was working on a version of apgsearch for non-totalistic rules. It's been unused for a while but I thought I should dust it off for this rule. In particular, the addition of searching in symmetrical soups found the p8 as well as a few other oscillators with D4 symmetry.

Oh, neat! Could you post the other oscillators? (The rotating p6 is also new, I think)

A new(?) c/5 - two interacting t-ships:
`x = 16, y = 16, rule = tlife2bo4b2o2b2o\$b4ob5ob2o\$obo3bob2o3b3o\$b2o2bob2o3b4o\$ob2ob2o2b2obob2o\$2b4ob2o3b2o\$2o2b4o2b3obo\$3b3ob3o4b2o\$bob2ob4o4b2o\$2b2obo3bob5o\$2bo2b2o4bob2o\$bob2ob2ob4ob2o\$2bobo3bo5bo\$o3b4obob2obo\$2b2ob4ob3o\$obo2bob3o4bo!`

The interaction is extensible. I guess you could say the t-ship is a tagalong for itself.

Interesting... it should be possible to make a T extender out of this using the T->T advancer in the first post.
p6 c/3 ship

I KNEW its frontend looked familiar! Congrats to Sphenocorona for the new hive-predecessor-based synthesis.

### Re: tlife

Posted: October 28th, 2015, 8:38 pm
wildmyron wrote:A new(?) c/5 - two interacting t-ships:
`x = 16, y = 16, rule = tlife2bo4b2o2b2o\$b4ob5ob2o\$obo3bob2o3b3o\$b2o2bob2o3b4o\$ob2ob2o2b2obob2o\$2b4ob2o3b2o\$2o2b4o2b3obo\$3b3ob3o4b2o\$bob2ob4o4b2o\$2b2obo3bob5o\$2bo2b2o4bob2o\$bob2ob2ob4ob2o\$2bobo3bo5bo\$o3b4obob2obo\$2b2ob4ob3o\$obo2bob3o4bo!`

A final step for a synth (probably overkill):
`x = 16, y = 16, rule = tlifeo\$obo\$2o\$7bo\$bo4bobo\$obo3bo2bo\$ob2ob2o3bobo\$3bo7b2o\$8bo\$7bobo3b3o\$8bo4bo\$14bo2\$7b3o\$8bo\$8bo!`

### Re: tlife

Posted: October 28th, 2015, 8:54 pm
(probably overkill):

Yup
wildmyron wrote:4G - [...] interacting t-ships

`x = 14, y = 9, rule = tlifeo\$2o\$o\$5bo\$5b2o\$4bobo\$11b2o\$11bobo\$11bo!`

### Re: tlife

Posted: October 28th, 2015, 9:01 pm
M. I. Wright wrote:
(probably overkill):

Yup
wildmyron wrote:4G - [...] interacting t-ships

`x = 14, y = 9, rule = tlifeo\$2o\$o\$5bo\$5b2o\$4bobo\$11b2o\$11bobo\$11bo!`

Sorry, didn't notice that one.

### Re: tlife

Posted: October 28th, 2015, 9:32 pm
The loaf+2G eater synth is evidently really edgy:
`x = 67, y = 36, rule = tlife25bo\$25bobo\$25b2o3\$64bo\$64bobo\$19bo44b2o\$20bo\$18b3o3\$58bo\$19bo39bo\$18bobo36b3o\$18bo2bo\$19b2o2\$7b2o49bo\$6bo2bo47bobo\$7bobo47bo2bo\$8bo49b2o4\$7b3o\$7bo37bo4b2o\$8bo34bobo3bo2bo\$44b2o4bobo\$51bo3\$b2o\$obo33b3o\$2bo35bo\$37bo!`

### Re: tlife

Posted: October 28th, 2015, 11:33 pm
BlinkerSpawn wrote:The loaf+2G eater synth is evidently really edgy:
`x = 67, y = 36, rule = tlife25bo\$25bobo\$25b2o3\$64bo\$64bobo\$19bo44b2o\$20bo\$18b3o3\$58bo\$19bo39bo\$18bobo36b3o\$18bo2bo\$19b2o2\$7b2o49bo\$6bo2bo47bobo\$7bobo47bo2bo\$8bo49b2o4\$7b3o\$7bo37bo4b2o\$8bo34bobo3bo2bo\$44b2o4bobo\$51bo3\$b2o\$obo33b3o\$2bo35bo\$37bo!`

By the way, lots of new stuff in the synthesis database.

### Re: tlife

Posted: October 29th, 2015, 12:17 am
M. I. Wright wrote:Oh, neat! Could you post the other oscillators? (The rotating p6 is also new, I think)

Here are the other oscillators I've come across - two p3 and one p5. I haven't verified if they are new or not.
`x = 31, y = 28, rule = tlife4b2o19bo\$4b2o19b2o\$23bo3bo\$2bo4bo14b2o3b2o\$bob4obo12bo\$bob4obo11b2o7b2o\$2bo4bo21bo\$22b2o3b2o\$4b2o17bo3bo\$4b2o18b2o\$25bo12\$o3b3o3bo\$b3o3b3o\$obobobobobo\$obobobobobo\$b3o3b3o\$o3b3o3bo!`

Not sure where I came across the ones with plus symmetry (can't find them in apgsearch logs - contrary to my recollection), but here's a soup for the p3 with C4 sym:
`x = 31, y = 31, rule = B3_S2-i34q3o2b3obo2bo2b6o4b2ob3o\$o3bobob2o3b3o3b3obob2o3bo\$obob2obob2ob2ob2o2b2obo3bobobo\$4b2ob2ob2ob3o2bo4bo\$3o4b4o4b2ob7o2b3o\$2o4b2ob4obo3bo3b2o3b2obo\$4bobobob2o2b2obo2bobob2o3b2o\$bob3o3bobob4o2b4o2b4obo\$2bob4o3bobob3ob2o3bob2obo\$bo2bo2bobo2b5o3b2obob2ob3o\$3obob4ob2ob3obo5b5o\$3obo2b2o2bo3bob4ob4obo\$o2b3o4b2obobobo2b2o3bo2bobo\$o5bobo2b2ob3obo2b3o3b3o\$obobo2b4o2b5o2b2ob3obobo\$5ob9ob9ob5o\$bobob3ob2o2b5o2b4o2bobobo\$b3o3b3o2bob3ob2o2bobo5bo\$obo2bo3b2o2bobobob2o4b3o2bo\$3bob4ob4obo3bo2b2o2bob3o\$2b5o5bob3ob2ob4obob3o\$3ob2obob2o3b5o2bobo2bo2bo\$bob2obo3b2ob3obobo3b4obo\$ob4o2b4o2b4obobo3b3obo\$2o3b2obobo2bob2o2b2obobobo\$ob2o3b2o3bo3bob4ob2o4b2o\$b3o2b7ob2o4b4o4b3o\$7bo4bo2b3ob2ob2ob2o\$obobo3bob2o2b2ob2ob2obob2obobo\$o3b2obob3o3b3o3b2obobo3bo\$3ob2o4b6o2bo2bob3o2b3o!`

### Re: tlife

Posted: October 29th, 2015, 10:20 pm
wildmyron wrote:Here are the other oscillators I've come across - two p3 and one p5.

The p5 comes in two different forms, one with a very isolated dot spark and the other with a very isolated domino spark:
`x = 27, y = 14, rule = tlife5bo14b2o4\$o3b3o3bo4bo3b4o3bo\$b3o3b3o6b3o4b3o\$obobobobobo4bobobo2bobobo\$obobobobobo4bobobo2bobobo\$b3o3b3o6b3o4b3o\$o3b3o3bo4bo3b4o3bo4\$5bo14b2o!`