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Re: Soup search results in rules other than Conway's Life

Postby Rich Holmes » July 16th, 2016, 9:12 pm

A symmetric p72 spaceship (classified as Oversize) based on two p72 puffers turned up in a B358/S32 D2_+1 soup search.

x = 143, y = 41, rule = B358/S23
94b2o$93bo$90b2o$56bo32bo7bo$18b3o35bo36b3obo20bo21b2o$4b2o14bo34bobo
30bo3bo24bobo19bo2bo$b2o12bo4bo32bo5bo32b2o5bobo14bo3bo18bobo$o2bob2o
12bo12bobo17bo7bo24bo2b4o2bob3o17bo3bo12b3obo$ob2obo3bo4bo2bo14bobo18b
obobobo25bo3bo3b2ob2o3bo15bobo12bo2bo$3o2bo3bo4bo2b2o35bo3bo25b2o11b3o
2bo15bo13b2ob5o$9bo4bo4bo6b2o34b2o19bobo4b2o3b2o3bo36bo2bo$5bo2bo4b2o
4bo6b2o4bobo20bobo4b2o19bo2bo8b2obo30b2o5b2o2bo$6bo6bo4bo13bobo19b2ob
2o27bo7bo2b2ob3o22bo2b2o6bo$17bo37b3o26bobo7bo2b2o23bo3bo2b2o4b2obo$
16bo39bo28bo6bobobo24bobobo12bobo$93b2o25b4obo7bo4bobo$93b2o26bob2o4b
2o3bo3bo$122bob2o3b2ob3o$124bo4$124bo$122bob2o3b2ob3o$93b2o26bob2o4b2o
3bo3bo$93b2o25b4obo7bo4bobo$16bo39bo28bo6bobobo24bobobo12bobo$17bo37b
3o26bobo7bo2b2o23bo3bo2b2o4b2obo$6bo6bo4bo13bobo19b2ob2o27bo7bo2b2ob3o
22bo2b2o6bo$5bo2bo4b2o4bo6b2o4bobo20bobo4b2o19bo2bo8b2obo30b2o5b2o2bo$
9bo4bo4bo6b2o34b2o19bobo4b2o3b2o3bo36bo2bo$3o2bo3bo4bo2b2o35bo3bo25b2o
11b3o2bo15bo13b2ob5o$ob2obo3bo4bo2bo14bobo18bobobobo25bo3bo3b2ob2o3bo
15bobo12bo2bo$o2bob2o12bo12bobo17bo7bo24bo2b4o2bob3o17bo3bo12b3obo$b2o
12bo4bo32bo5bo32b2o5bobo14bo3bo18bobo$4b2o14bo34bobo30bo3bo24bobo19bo
2bo$18b3o35bo36b3obo20bo21b2o$56bo32bo7bo$90b2o$93bo$94b2o!
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Re: Soup search results in rules other than Conway's Life

Postby Apple Bottom » July 17th, 2016, 6:54 am

Rich Holmes wrote:A symmetric p72 spaceship (classified as Oversize) based on two p72 puffers turned up in a B358/S32 D2_+1 soup search.


Whoa. What a ship!
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Re: Soup search results in rules other than Conway's Life

Postby Rich Holmes » July 17th, 2016, 12:20 pm

Here's a seed for one of these puffers.
x = 7, y = 5, rule = B358/S23
bo2b3o$bob2obo$2obo2bo$4b2o$b2o!


To grow a ship you just need two of these with the right separation. They leave a couple blinkers behind.
x = 9, y = 29, rule = B358/S23
$2bo2b3o$2bob2obo$b2obo2bo$5b2o$2b2o18$2b2o$5b2o$b2obo2bo$2bob2obo$2bo
2b3o!
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Re: Soup search results in rules other than Conway's Life

Postby BlinkerSpawn » July 17th, 2016, 2:12 pm

Rich Holmes wrote:To grow a ship you just need two of these with the right separation. They leave a couple blinkers behind.
x = 9, y = 29, rule = B358/S23
$2bo2b3o$2bob2obo$b2obo2bo$5b2o$2b2o18$2b2o$5b2o$b2obo2bo$2bob2obo$2bo
2b3o!

Not here:
x = 14, y = 27, rule = B358/S23
8bo2b3o$8bob2obo$7b2obo2bo$2o9b2o$2o6b2o18$2o6b2o$2o9b2o$7b2obo2bo$8bo
b2obo$8bo2b3o!
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Re: Soup search results in rules other than Conway's Life

Postby muzik » July 17th, 2016, 2:22 pm

Could a (5,2)c/190 oblique ship, like the previously mentioned one in B38/S23, exist in regular Life? The rules are closely related, except the reactions would spawn traffic lights. So if we're looking for a reaction based on the mechanics of this ship, it's probably going to be big.

Probably should take this discussion elsewhere though.
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Re: Soup search results in rules other than Conway's Life

Postby Scorbie » July 17th, 2016, 3:42 pm

muzik wrote:Could a (5,2)c/190 oblique ship, like the previously mentioned one in B38/S23, exist in regular Life? The rules are closely related, except the reactions would spawn traffic lights. So if we're looking for a reaction based on the mechanics of this ship, it's probably going to be big.

Probably should take this discussion elsewhere though.
that is not the only thing different. The rpentomino in b38s23 almost works as a spaceship (it collides with the ash it creates) like a switch engine. That is why you get a spaceship with 2 rs and a boat mutually stabilizing each other. In Life, due to subtle changes in rules, the R is nowhere near a near-spaceahip like switch engines.

So, not really.
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Re: Soup search results in rules other than Conway's Life

Postby muzik » July 17th, 2016, 4:06 pm

Well. That sucks.


I would like to note that the boat moving reaction still indeed works:

x = 6, y = 17, rule = B3/S23
5bo$3bobo$3b3o12$b2o$obo$bo!

, although that's probably kind of useless at this point. Still. If we could only find a front end that advances at that speed and produces Rs behind it in that orientation...


Guess we need to conduct more research into this guy then.
x = 13, y = 19, rule = B3/S23
11bo$6b2o2bo$6bob2o$5bo5b2o$bobo2bo$o$o3bo2b3ob2o$o3bo4bo$5bob2o$bo3bo
b2o$2ob3o$4b2obo$2o2b3o$2obo$3b2o4b2o$b3o$2bo2b3ob2o$3b2o2b2o$4b3o!
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Re: Soup search results in rules other than Conway's Life

Postby BlinkerSpawn » July 17th, 2016, 4:30 pm

Rich Holmes wrote:Here's a seed for one of these puffers.
x = 7, y = 5, rule = B358/S23
bo2b3o$bob2obo$2obo2bo$4b2o$b2o!


To grow a ship you just need two of these with the right separation. They leave a couple blinkers behind.
x = 9, y = 29, rule = B358/S23
$2bo2b3o$2bob2obo$b2obo2bo$5b2o$2b2o18$2b2o$5b2o$b2obo2bo$2bob2obo$2bo
2b3o!

Here's another, smaller ship with the same engine, if it matters:
x = 31, y = 29, rule = B358/S23
9bo$5bo$10bo$5b2obo11bo7bo$7b2o4bo4b2o5b3obo$8bo5bo2bo6b3o2b2o$10b2o2b
o4bo3b2ob4o$2o11bo3b3o3bo2b3o$2o11bo$8bo2bo$8b3o9$8b3o2b2o$2o6b2o$2o6b
4o2bo2bobo4b3o$9b2obobo2bobo2bo2bob2o$9b3obo4bo2bo6bo$21bo6bo$6bobo12b
4o2bo$6bo2bo15bo$6bo2bo$7b2o!
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Re: Soup search results in rules other than Conway's Life

Postby Rich Holmes » July 22nd, 2016, 4:56 pm

Here's an even smaller one.
x = 19, y = 15, rule = B358/S23
2b2o$bo2bo11bo$2ob2o8b3obo$2bo4b2o3b3o2b2o$6b3o2b2ob4o$7bo3bo2b3o4$7bo
3bo2b3o$6b3o2b2ob4o$2bo4b2o3b3o2b2o$2ob2o8b3obo$bo2bo11bo$2b2o!


This is period 24, and has been found in two symmetric soups: https://catagolue.appspot.com/object/xq24_cir4y34riczxce4x4eczwosmiximsoz025c73x37c52/b358s23/D2_+1
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Re: Soup search results in rules other than Conway's Life

Postby Rhombic » July 23rd, 2016, 1:02 pm

An agar crawler (from soup):

x = 67, y = 102, rule = 1234/34/5
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Re: Soup search results in rules other than Conway's Life

Postby _zM » July 25th, 2016, 10:50 am

SansDominotlife (B2-a_S2-i34q) generates a huge amount of distinct objects. In the 10147 soups I searched there were a whopping 1376 distinct objects (28088 objects in total), 442 of them p2 oscillators.

But no spaceships (why?)
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Re: Soup search results in rules other than Conway's Life

Postby _zM » July 25th, 2016, 11:40 am

Sorry for the double post, but this is a different rule.

c/8 cap-pusher in B3-ky8_S2-i3-y4qy:
x = 8, y = 4, rule = B3-ky8_S2-i3-y4qy
b2o3bo$obo3b2o$obo3b2o$b2o3bo!


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Re: Soup search results in rules other than Conway's Life

Postby BlinkerSpawn » July 25th, 2016, 11:57 am

_zM wrote:SansDominotlife (B2-a_S2-i34q) generates a huge amount of distinct objects. In the 10147 soups I searched there were a whopping 1376 distinct objects (28088 objects in total), 442 of them p2 oscillators.

But no spaceships (why?)

SansDomino and tlife are two entirely different rules with entirely different classes of objects and object behaviors.
The transitions in each rule counteract the ones in the other rule, producing B2cea3aiS23 (?) -like variety but no moving patterns.
I tried it and several variants and couldn't find any spaceships.
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Re: Soup search results in rules other than Conway's Life

Postby _zM » July 25th, 2016, 12:46 pm

BlinkerSpawn wrote:
_zM wrote:SansDominotlife (B2-a_S2-i34q) generates a huge amount of distinct objects. In the 10147 soups I searched there were a whopping 1376 distinct objects (28088 objects in total), 442 of them p2 oscillators.

But no spaceships (why?)

SansDomino and tlife are two entirely different rules with entirely different classes of objects and object behaviors.
The transitions in each rule counteract the ones in the other rule, producing B2cea3aiS23 (?) -like variety but no moving patterns.
I tried it and several variants and couldn't find any spaceships.

First, I see SansDomino as a family of rules with birth on two neighbors, but not when these neighbors are orthjogonally adjacent (B2-a) and SansDominotlife would by that logic be the rule with the birth from SansDomino and the survival rules from tlife - B2-a_S2-i34q. I probably could have phrased that better, but I think that the way it is now is clear enough.

Anyways,

It seems like patterns cannot escape from the original bounding box by more than a few cells. This is probably because the birth rules require only two cells to make a new cell, but the survival rules require a cell to have relatively many neighbors to survive. This means that patterns will stabilize quickly and that cells on the perimeter are more likely to die than cells on the inside of the pattern.
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Re: Soup search results in rules other than Conway's Life

Postby BlinkerSpawn » July 25th, 2016, 1:06 pm

Adding 3i creates a rule similar to B3/S234 with regards to explosiveness, object variety, and general behaviour.
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Re: Soup search results in rules other than Conway's Life

Postby Rich Holmes » August 3rd, 2016, 8:17 am

72 bit still life from a symmetric soup in B358/S23:

x = 32, y = 32, rule = B358/S23
oobbobbbboooboobooobobbboooobboo$
obobboooobbboooooboboobbbobbobbo$
booboobbbooooobooooobooobbobbobb$
bbboobbbbbboooobooobooboboobobob$
obooobooooooboobooobboobobbobbbo$
boobboobobbbbbbooooboooboooboobo$
bobboooooboobobobboboboobooboboo$
bobbobobbobobboobboooobobboobbbo$
bobbooobooobobbbbbbbbbbooobboobb$
obobobbooboobbobobbobobbbooobobb$
obobobobooboobbobbobobobobooooob$
obooobooboooooboobbooobboooboboo$
booobbbboboobbooooobobobobbbbobb$
ooooobobbbbobbbbbbbobobboooooooo$
ooboobbobobbobbobbbobbbbbboooobo$
boobbooobbooobooobboobobbboooooo$
oooooobbboboobbooobooobbooobboob$
oboooobbbbbbobbbobbobbobobbooboo$
oooooooobbobobbbbbbbobbbbobooooo$
bbobbbbobobobooooobboobobbbbooob$
oobobooobbooobbooboooooboobooobo$
booooobobobobobbobbooboobobobobo$
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obbboobboboooobboobbobobbobobbob$
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bbobbobbooobooooobooooobbbooboob$
obbobbobbboobobooooobbboooobbobo$
oobboooobbboboooboobooobbbbobboo!
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Re: Soup search results in rules other than Conway's Life

Postby BlinkerSpawn » August 3rd, 2016, 11:06 am

Rich Holmes wrote:72 bit still life from a symmetric soup in B358/S23:

soup

Object on the right is a predecessor, where the central blob is gen. 18 of the pattern on the left.
x = 43, y = 20, rule = B358/S23
30bo2$29b2o$obo25b4ob2o$3bo23b2o3b2o2bo$o2bo22b2o2b2o2b3o$b3o3b2o16b2o
4bo2bo2b2o$7bo15bob2obobob3o2bo$10bo15bob2o2b2ob3obo$9b2o16bo2b2o2b2o
2b2o$3b2o21b2o2b2o2b2o2bo$3bo22bob3ob2o2b2obo$6bo21bo2b3obobob2obo$5b
2o3b3o14b2o2bo2bo4b2o$10bo2bo15b3o2b2o2b2o$10bo18bo2b2o3b2o$11bobo17b
2ob4o$35b2o2$35bo!
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Re: Soup search results in rules other than Conway's Life

Postby _zM » August 3rd, 2016, 2:43 pm

Another c/8 ship, this time in B356/S0356. Considerably smaller than the one in B3-ky8/S2-i3-y4qy.

Soup:
x = 16, y = 16, rule = B356/S0356
bbboobbbbooobooo$
bobobbbbbooobboo$
oobobbbooobbbobb$
ooooobbbbbbooooo$
bobbbbbooobobbob$
oobboboooobbboob$
bobboobbbbbooooo$
oooooooooooboobb$
bobbbboobbboboob$
oboobbbbbobooobo$
bobbbbooobbobobb$
oobobobboobobobo$
boobooobobobbooo$
oboobbbooobobbob$
obbbooboooobboob$
bbboooooobooooob!


It is also unusual because it is non-monotonous.

The rule also has a natural p26.

EDIT: here it is. editing it in so that people don't confuse it with my signature.
x = 6, y = 5, rule = B356/S0356
2bobo$3b3o2$3o$bobo!
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Re: Soup search results in rules other than Conway's Life

Postby rowett » August 3rd, 2016, 4:44 pm

Just as an aside in the recent build of LifeViewer support was added for a smoother way of animating spaceships using the [[ TRACK X Y ]] command.

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#C [[ THEME 6 GRID GRIDMAJOR 0 THUMBLAUNCH AUTOSTART TRACK -1/8 0 GPS 4 THUMBNAIL ]]
#C A small c/8 orthogonal ship in the rule B3-ky8_S2-i3-y4qy, found by apgsearch
x = 8, y = 4, rule = B3-ky8_S2-i3-y4qy
b2o3bo$obo3b2o$obo3b2o$b2o3bo!
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Re: Soup search results in rules other than Conway's Life

Postby _zM » August 3rd, 2016, 5:07 pm

As an aside, thanks.
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Re: Soup search results in rules other than Conway's Life

Postby Rich Holmes » August 21st, 2016, 2:45 pm

A couple of long period oscillators in b36s1258:

An 11 cell object that rotates itself 90 degrees in 51 generations, making a period 204 oscillator.
x = 6, y = 5, rule = B36/S1258
4o2b$3bobo$4bob$5bo$2b3ob!


A 26 cell p90 oscillator.
x = 11, y = 11, rule = B36/S1258
5b2ob2ob$4bo2bo2bo$4bobob3o$4bo6b$b3o7b$o10b$obo8b$bo9b$obo8b$obo8b$b2o8b!
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Re: Soup search results in rules other than Conway's Life

Postby Rich Holmes » September 6th, 2016, 8:34 pm

11c/52 diagonal spaceship in B37e/S23:

x = 40, y = 40, rule = B37e_S23
bbbooobbb$
bbbobobbb$
bbobbobbb$
bobbboboo$
ooobboboo$
obbbbbo$
bbbobbo$
bbobbbo$
bbobbbo$
bbobbbb$
bobbbbbbbob$
bbbbbbbbobo$
bbbbbbbbobo$
bbbbbbbbbob$
bbbbbbbbbbb$
!
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Re: Soup search results in rules other than Conway's Life

Postby shouldsee » September 8th, 2016, 1:42 am

diagonal c/36 in B3568/S247
x = 16, y = 16, rule = B3568/S247
bbboobooboobbobo$
bboobobobbbooooo$
booobobboooooobb$
obbbbbboobbooboo$
ooobobooooooooob$
bobbbbbobbbbbobo$
bbobbbbboobbbbbo$
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ooooooobbboooboo$
bbobbbbobobboooo$
oooobbbbbbobbboo$
oboboobbobbobobb$
bbobboobboobbbob$
ooooooooobobbobo$
bobooooobbbooobb!
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Re: Soup search results in rules other than Conway's Life

Postby Rhombic » September 12th, 2016, 12:49 pm

This large xp4 in tDryLife D2_x soup!!
x = 16, y = 16, rule = B37/S2-i34q
bobboobobboobbob$
oboobobbbbbbbobb$
boooobooboooooob$
boobbbbobbbobooo$
obobobbbboooobbo$
oobbbobbboobobbo$
bbobbbbbobboobbo$
oboobbbbboooobbb$
bbbbbbobboobbobo$
bbobooboooobbooo$
oboboobooobooooo$
oboooboobbobbbbo$
bboboooobbobooob$
booobbbbooobobbo$
oboobbbbbooboboo$
bbbooooboooobooo!


xq28
x = 16, y = 16, rule = B3/S2-i34y5r7e
boboobobooboobob$
bbbbbbbobbobobbo$
bbboooooooobbboo$
oobobobobooobbbb$
ooobbbbbobboobbb$
oboboobboobbbobo$
bboboooooooooobb$
oooobobbobbbbboo$
bobbbbbobooooobo$
obooboobbbbbobob$
boboobbbboboboob$
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boobbbboboobboob$
bbbbboobbobooobo$
bbbooooooobbboob$
bbooooboobbbobob!


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x = 16, y = 16, rule = B3/S2-i34y5r7e
obboobobbbooobbo$
obbobooboooobbbb$
obbooboooobbbbob$
obobbobbboobbbbb$
obbobbooboobbooo$
ooobbbbooooooboo$
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oboobooboobbbbob$
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oooobobbbboboooo!
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Re: Soup search results in rules other than Conway's Life

Postby A for awesome » September 12th, 2016, 5:28 pm

Rhombic wrote:This large xp4 in tDryLife D2_x soup!!
x = 16, y = 16, rule = B37/S2-i34q
bobboobobboobbob$
oboobobbbbbbbobb$
boooobooboooooob$
boobbbbobbbobooo$
obobobbbboooobbo$
oobbbobbboobobbo$
bbobbbbbobboobbo$
oboobbbbboooobbb$
bbbbbbobboobbobo$
bbobooboooobbooo$
oboboobooobooooo$
oboooboobbobbbbo$
bboboooobbobooob$
booobbbbooobobbo$
oboobbbbbooboboo$
bbbooooboooobooo!

Also works in tlife:
x = 15, y = 15, rule = B3/S2-i34q
13b2o$13b2o$9b2o$8bob2o$9bobo$10bo2$12bo$3bo7bobo$2bobo5bo2bo$2b2obo3bo2b2o$3b2o3bo$7bo2bo$2o6b3o$2o!
There should be a way to synthesize it based on that predecessor, but it may be difficult.
x₁=ηx
V ⃰_η=c²√(Λη)
K=(Λu²)/2
Pₐ=1−1/(∫^∞_t₀(p(t)ˡ⁽ᵗ⁾)dt)

$$x_1=\eta x$$
$$V^*_\eta=c^2\sqrt{\Lambda\eta}$$
$$K=\frac{\Lambda u^2}2$$
$$P_a=1-\frac1{\int^\infty_{t_0}p(t)^{l(t)}dt}$$

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