B3478/S15678

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B3478/S15678

I think this rule is interesting because it's similar to diamoeba but is very "diverse", kown speeds are c/4 (Orth. and Diag.), c/24,c/5,c/6 Diagonal,2c/7,c/7, and c/3 (from here)
Here are some gliders found with both gfind and wls
x = 66, y = 34, rule = B3478/S1567857bo2bo$55b8o$29b2o10b2o12b8o$55bob4obo$31bo8bo15b6o$30b2o3b2o3b2o14b2o2b2o$29bobo8bobo14bo2bo$3b3o25bo3b2o3bo16b4o$4bo25bob8obo11bobo6bobo$3bobo24bo2b6o2bo13b3o2b3o$2bobobo25b8o17bo2bo$b3ob3o24b8o16b6o$4bo27b8o16b6o$ob5obo21b12o16b2o$2b5o23b12o16b2o$bob3obo22b12o14b6o$b7o23b10o12bobob4obobo$2bo3bo24b10o14bob4obo$3b3o24bo4b2o4bo13b2ob2ob2o$32b3o2b3o13bo2b6o2bo$35b2o18bobo2bobo$34b4o15bobobo2bobobo$31bo2bo2bo2bo14bo2b2o2bo$30b2o2b4o2b2o13bo2b2o2bo$31b2o2b2o2b2o14b2o4b2o$30bo3bo2bo3bo16b2o$31b2o2b2o2b2o15bo4bo$31b2o6b2o13b2o6b2o$30bo2bo4bo2bo13b3o2b3o$30bo2bo4bo2bo11bo10bo$52bob10obo$29bob2obo2bob2obo9bo12bo$57b4o$31b2o6b2o13b2o6b2o! Proud owner and founder of Sakagolue x = 17, y = 10, rule = B3/S23b2ob2obo5b2o$11b4obo$2bob3o2bo2b3o$bo3b2o4b2o$o2bo2bob2o3b4o$bob2obo5bo2b2o$2b2o4bobo2b3o$bo3b5ob2obobo$2bo5bob2o$4bob2o2bobobo!

(Check gen 2)

Saka

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Re: B3478/S15678

Sorry for bringing this back, but this rule has an absurd amount of small ships:
x = 536, y = 128, rule = 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I am not sure what the speed limits are, but C/2 looks to be impossible. Those p3 C/3's are minimum width, which is ridiculous. Things to work on: - Find a (7,1)c/8 ship in a Non-totalistic rule (someone please search the rules) - Find a C/10 in JustFriends - Find a C/10 in Day and Night AforAmpere Posts: 734 Joined: July 1st, 2016, 3:58 pm Re: B3478/S15678 AforAmpere wrote:Sorry for bringing this back, but this rule has an absurd amount of small ships: RLE I am not sure what the speed limits are, but C/2 looks to be impossible. Those p3 C/3's are minimum width, which is ridiculous. That's an impressive collection of ships! What is the speed of each "set" of ships? There looks to be quite a variety of speeds. 77topaz Posts: 789 Joined: January 12th, 2018, 9:19 pm Re: B3478/S15678 77topaz wrote:What is the speed of each "set" of ships? There looks to be quite a variety of speeds. I have a table of the speeds found so far on the wiki. They are of many different speeds, and the only orthogonal up to p9 not found that is possible is a 2c/9 so far. I am searching for a C/7 diagonal now. Things to work on: - Find a (7,1)c/8 ship in a Non-totalistic rule (someone please search the rules) - Find a C/10 in JustFriends - Find a C/10 in Day and Night AforAmpere Posts: 734 Joined: July 1st, 2016, 3:58 pm Re: B3478/S15678 AforAmpere wrote:I have a table of the speeds found so far on the wiki. They are of many different speeds, and the only orthogonal up to p9 not found that is possible is a 2c/9 so far. I am searching for a C/7 diagonal now. Okay. But what I meant was, what, in order, are the speeds in the RLE file of spaceships that you posted? 77topaz Posts: 789 Joined: January 12th, 2018, 9:19 pm Re: B3478/S15678 P2-6,8,10,12,16,22: x = 92, y = 73, rule = B3478/S156784bo2bo$3bo2bo2bo$4b3o4bo$bobo3b3o3b2o$3b2o2b4ob3o$6b2o2b5o$4bo8b2o4$3b2o8b2o$2bo2bob2o2b4o$13b3o$3b2o2b2obob2obo$5bo7bo$4bo8bo$5bo4$14bo$4bob3o4bo$4bo8b2o$4bo2b2obob3o$4bo8bo$4bob3o2b2o2bo$9b2o2b2o4$4bob3o2b3obo$3b4ob4ob4o$bob5ob2ob5obo$3b5o4b5o$3b5o4b5o$bob5ob2ob5obo$3b4ob4ob4o$4bob3o2b3obo5$6bo4bo$4b2o2bob2obo2bo$b3o3b3o2bo4bo$3bobobo2b2o3bo$3bobobo2b2o3bo$b3o3b3o2bo4bo$4b2o2bob2obo2bo$6bo4bo11$23bo$5bo15b3o45bo$22b3o12bo30bo20bo$4b3o16bo11bobo3bo25b3o16b3o$3b5o11bo7bo6b7o26b2o13bo2b4o$2b7o8b4o5b2o7b6o21bobob4o13b7o$ob7obo7b2o5b4o4b8o22b9o11b8o$2b7o9bo7bo8b8o21b9o10b8o$3b5o14bo12b6o25b4obobo10b7o$4b3o14b3o11b7o25b2o16b4o2bo$22b3o9bo3bobo25b3o16b3o$5bo16bo15bo28bo16bo$66bo!

EDIT: Inverse P7:
x = 34, y = 28, rule = B3478/S1567834o$34o$34o$34o$34o$34o$34o$34o$34o$34o$11o2b9o2b10o$11o2b2o2bo2b2o2b10o$13obo2bo2bob12o$14o7b13o$12o11b11o$12o11b11o$14o7b13o$12o11b11o$12o11b11o$14o7b13o$13obo2bo2bob12o$11o2b2o2bo2b2o2b10o$11o2b9o2b10o$34o$34o$34o$34o$34o! Still drifting. Bullet51 Posts: 483 Joined: July 21st, 2014, 4:35 am Re: B3478/S15678 Bullet51 wrote:EDIT: Inverse P7: x = 34, y = 28, rule = B3478/S1567834o$34o$34o$34o$34o$34o$34o$34o$34o$34o$11o2b9o2b10o$11o2b2o2bo2b2o2b10o$13obo2bo2bob12o$14o7b13o$12o11b11o$12o11b11o$14o7b13o$12o11b11o$12o11b11o$14o7b13o$13obo2bo2bob12o$11o2b2o2bo2b2o2b10o$11o2b9o2b10o$34o$34o$34o$34o$34o!

Stabilized for a pseudo-p28:
x = 20, y = 20, rule = B3478/S15678bo2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o$19o$b19o$b2o2b9o2b4o$3ob3o5b3ob3o$5o4bo4b5o$b4o9b6o$b3o11b5o$4o11b4o$4obo7bob4o$b3o11b5o$b3o11b5o$5o9b5o$5o4bo4b5o$b2ob3o5b3ob4o$b2o2b9o2b4o$19o$19o$b19o$2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2bo! LifeWiki: Like Wikipedia but with more spaceships. [citation needed] BlinkerSpawn Posts: 1753 Joined: November 8th, 2014, 8:48 pm Location: Getting a snacker from R-Bee's Re: B3478/S15678 A small C/9: x = 10, y = 27, rule = B3478/S156783b4o$3b4o$2b6o$b8o$b8o$10o$b8o$b8o$2b6o$b8o$3b4o$3b4o$2bo4bo4$3b4o$3b4o$3b4o$2bob2obo$2b6o$4b2o$3b4o3$3b4o$2bob2obo!
Things to work on:
- Find a (7,1)c/8 ship in a Non-totalistic rule (someone please search the rules)
- Find a C/10 in JustFriends
- Find a C/10 in Day and Night
AforAmpere

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Joined: July 1st, 2016, 3:58 pm

Re: B3478/S15678

P20:
x = 8, y = 4, rule = B3478/S15678b6o$8o$8o$b6o! P14: x = 14, y = 14, rule = B3478/S156789bo$3b6o$2b10o$2b11o$ob11o$b12o$b12o$b12o$b12o$b11obo$b11o$2b10o$5b6o$4bo!

P45:
x = 8, y = 9, rule = B3478/S156783b2o$2b4o$b6o$8o$8o$8o$b6o$2b4o$3b2o!
Still drifting.
Bullet51

Posts: 483
Joined: July 21st, 2014, 4:35 am

Re: B3478/S15678

Bullet51 wrote:P45:
x = 8, y = 9, rule = B3478/S156783b2o$2b4o$b6o$8o$8o$8o$b6o$2b4o$3b2o!

This last one doesn't work, it collapses down to a p2 after about 250 generations.

77topaz

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Joined: January 12th, 2018, 9:19 pm

C/10:
x = 12, y = 95, rule = B3478/S156785b2o$5b2o$5b2o$5b2o2$4b4o2$5b2o$3b2o2b2o$4bo2bo$3b6o$3b6o$2b8o$2b8o$2b8o$2b8o$2bob4obo$3b6o$5b2o$2bo2b2o2bo$3bob2obo$2bo2b2o2bo$5b2o$3b6o$2b2ob2ob2o$3bob2obo$5b2o$3b6o$4b4o$3b6o$b10o$b10o$3b6o$2b8o$4b4o2$4bo2bo2$4bo2bo$2bo6bo$2bob4obo$4b4o$2bob4obo$b10o$3ob4ob3o3$5b2o2$3bob2obo$5b2o$5b2o$3bob2obo$2b8o$2bo2b2o2bo$3bob2obo$4b4o$5b2o$4b4o$2b8o$4b4o$2b2o4b2o$3b6o$bo2b4o2bo$b10o$bo2b4o2bo$bo2b4o2bo$4b4o$3bob2obo$2bo2b2o2bo$4b4o$bo2b4o2bo$2b8o$b10o$bob6obo$4b4o$3b6o$3b6o$3bob2obo$3bob2obo$4b4o$5b2o$3bo4bo$3b2o2b2o$2bobo2bobo$ob8obo$2bobo2bobo$bo2b4o2bo$2b8o$3b6o$3b6o$2b8o$4b4o$5b2o$2o2b4o2b2o! Things to work on: - Find a (7,1)c/8 ship in a Non-totalistic rule (someone please search the rules) - Find a C/10 in JustFriends - Find a C/10 in Day and Night AforAmpere Posts: 734 Joined: July 1st, 2016, 3:58 pm Re: B3478/S15678 AforAmpere wrote:C/10: width 12 c/10 spaceship Nice work AforAmpere. I was searching for a c/10 with even symmetry w6 at the same time as you. My search finished because an infinitely extensible partial caused the depth limit to be reached, so I had to start another search but with "m2000". But you found one first so I quit my search. I searched p9 k2 w8 u without success, but p9 k2 w8 v gave me this wickstretcher. I found the stabilisation with wls: x = 16, y = 114, rule = B3478/S156784bo6bo$3bo2b4o2bo$b2ob3o2b3ob2o$b5ob2ob5o$2b3obo2bob3o$2b2o8b2o$4b2o4b2o$3bo8bo$2bo3b4o3bo$2b4o4b4o$5b6o$5bob2obo$6bo2bo$7b2o$5bob2obo$5bo4bo$5bo4bo$6bo2bo$5bo4bo$3b3o4b3o$3bo2bo2bo2bo$3b2o2b2o2b2o$5bob2obo$bobo2b4o2bobo$4bobo2bobo$2bobo6bobo$2bo10bo$4b2o4b2o$5bob2obo$6bo2bo$7b2o$5bo4bo$4b2o4b2o$5b2o2b2o$7b2o$6bo2bo3$4b8o$4bob4obo$4bob4obo$5b6o$5b6o$2b3ob4ob3o$5b6o$b14o$4b8o$bobob6obobo$5b6o$3b2ob4ob2o$5bob2obo$3b2obo2bob2o2$3bo8bo$7b2o$4b2ob2ob2o$bob4o2b4obo$bobo2b4o2bobo$2b5o2b5o$bob2o2b2o2b2obo$bob3o4b3obo$2b2obo4bob2o$2b2o2bo2bo2b2o$3bo3b2o3bo$4bo6bo$3b2o2b2o2b2o$3bo8bo$2bo2bo4bo2bo$2b2o8b2o$3b2o6b2o2$3bobo4bobo$3b3o4b3o$5b2o2b2o$2bo10bo$2bo2bo4bo2bo$2bo4b2o4bo$2b2o3b2o3b2o2$2b3o6b3o2$bob2o6b2obo$2b3o6b3o$ob4ob2ob4obo$b3ob2o2b2ob3o$2bo2bo4bo2bo$2o3bo4bo3b2o$2o3b2o2b2o3b2o$3bo8bo$b2obo6bob2o$2bo10bo$bobo8bobo$2bobo6bobo$b3o8b3o$3bo2bo2bo2bo$4b3o2b3o$5b6o$5bob2obo$3bo2b4o2bo$2bo2b6o2bo$2b12o$4b8o$2bob8obo$2bob8obo$3b10o$2b12o$16o$b14o$b14o$16o$16o$3bob6obo$4bo2b2o2bo$5bo4bo!

I am now running the search again but with "m2000" to stop more wickstretchers from being found and the search being quit. Maybe I should just do this every time I try a new search.

P.S. @rokicki, the new ntzfind is great!
Things to work on:
• Work on the snowflakes orthogonoid

Goldtiger997

Posts: 446
Joined: June 21st, 2016, 8:00 am
Location: 11.329903°N 142.199305°E

Re: B3478/S15678

Goldtiger997 wrote:I searched p9 k2 w8 u without success, but p9 k2 w8 v gave me this wickstretcher. I found the stabilisation with wls:
Large RLE

Nice! I hope this means there are ships.
Things to work on:
- Find a (7,1)c/8 ship in a Non-totalistic rule (someone please search the rules)
- Find a C/10 in JustFriends
- Find a C/10 in Day and Night
AforAmpere

Posts: 734
Joined: July 1st, 2016, 3:58 pm

Re: B3478/S15678

Finally found a 2c/9:
x = 16, y = 137, rule = B3478/S156784bo6bo$3bo2b4o2bo$b2ob3o2b3ob2o$b5ob2ob5o$2b3obo2bob3o$2b2o8b2o$4b2o4b2o$3bo8bo$2bo3b4o3bo$2b4o4b4o$5b6o$5bob2obo$6bo2bo$7b2o$5bob2obo$5bo4bo$5bo4bo$6bo2bo$5bo4bo$4b2o4b2o$3bobo4bobo$3bobo4bobo$5bo4bo$4b8o$3b3o4b3o$4b3o2b3o$b2ob2o4b2ob2o$6b4o$2bob2o4b2obo$4bob4obo$4bob4obo$3b2o2b2o2b2o$3bo2b4o2bo$4b2ob2ob2o$4bo2b2o2bo$3b3ob2ob3o$4b8o$6b4o$3b2ob4ob2o$5b6o$3b10o$4bob4obo$5b6o$3b3ob2ob3o$7b2o$7b2o$bob3ob2ob3obo$bo5b2o5bo$bo4b4o4bo$2bo2b6o2bo$5b6o$3bob6obo$3bob6obo$3bob6obo$4b8o$4b8o$4b8o$3b2ob4ob2o$2bo3b4o3bo$5b6o$3b10o$2bo4b2o4bo$2bobobo2bobobo$4bo6bo$3b2o6b2o$5bo4bo$4bo2b2o2bo$4bo2b2o2bo$7b2o$3bobob2obobo$4b8o$bob10obo$3b10o$bob10obo$2b12o$4b8o$2bob8obo$2bo2b6o2bo$2b3ob4ob3o$3b2ob4ob2o$5bob2obo$2bo2bob2obo2bo$2bo10bo$2bo2b6o2bo$3bobo4bobo$3bo3b2o3bo$4b8o$5b6o$4b8o$bo2b8o2bo$bob2ob4ob2obo$3bo2b4o2bo$bob2ob4ob2obo$o3bob4obo3bo$2o4b4o4b2o$2b3ob4ob3o$6b4o$3b10o$3bob6obo$4b8o$5b6o$5bob2obo5$6b4o$5b6o$4b8o$6b4o$5b6o$bobob6obobo$2bo3b4o3bo$4obob2obob4o$b6o2b6o$b2o3bo2bo3b2o$b2o3b4o3b2o$2bob3o2b3obo$b2o3bo2bo3b2o$3b4o2b4o$6bo2bo$4bo6bo$6bo2bo$6bo2bo$6b4o$6b4o$7b2o$6b4o$3bob6obo$4b8o$4b2o4b2o$4bob4obo$5b6o$3b2ob4ob2o3$5b2o2b2o!

The speed limit for orthogonal ships appears to be c/3, but I'm not sure. However, diagonal ships can travel at c/5d, so maybe the speed limits are different for different directions. I'm not used to using wls to find spaceships, but since this rule is totalistic, maybe I'll give it a go.
Things to work on:
• Work on the snowflakes orthogonoid

Goldtiger997

Posts: 446
Joined: June 21st, 2016, 8:00 am
Location: 11.329903°N 142.199305°E

Re: B3478/S15678

Goldtiger997 wrote:Finally found a 2c/9

Nice! Have you checked that lower widths are not possible for it?
Goldtiger997 wrote:However, diagonal ships can travel at c/5d, so maybe the speed limits are different for different directions.

I'm not completely sure what the speed limits are, but C/4 d is also possible, there is an example above somewhere.

EDIT, 2c/7 wickstretcher:
x = 47, y = 93, rule = B3478/S156789$19b2o$17bo4bo$19b2o$15bo2b4o2bo$16b8o$15bob6obo$16b8o$18b4o$18b4o$17bob2obo$18bo2bo2$17bob2obo$16b2ob2ob2o$15bo8bo$18bo2bo$13bob2obo2bob2obo$16b2o4b2o$14b2ob2o2b2ob2o$16bobo2bobo$16b3o2b3o$15b2o6b2o$15b2o2b2o2b2o$14bo3b4o3bo$15bobob2obobo$18bo2bo$18bo2bo$18b4o$16b8o$16b8o$17b6o$15b10o$16b8o$16b8o$14bob8obo$15b10o$14b12o$14b12o$13b14o$13b14o$14b12o$14b12o$13b14o$13b14o$14b12o$14b12o$13b14o$13b14o$14b12o$14b12o$13b14o$13b14o$14b12o$14b12o$13b14o$13b14o$14b12o$14b12o$13b14o$13b14o$14b12o$14b12o$13b14o$13b14o$14b12o$14b12o$13b14o$13b14o$14b12o$14b12o$13b14o$13b14o$14b12o$14b12o$13b14o$13b14o$15b3o2bob4o$14bob2obo3b2obo! EDIT 2, a small C/6 diagonal: x = 12, y = 12, rule = B3478/S156786b4o$6bo$7b3obo$7bobobo$b2o2b2ob2obo$6obo2b2o$bobo2b2o$2obo2bo$4b3o$3o3b2o$2bob4o$2bobobo!

EDIT 3, my current compendium of moving objects:
x = 690, y = 137, rule = 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Things to work on:
- Find a (7,1)c/8 ship in a Non-totalistic rule (someone please search the rules)
- Find a C/10 in JustFriends
- Find a C/10 in Day and Night
AforAmpere

Posts: 734
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Re: B3478/S15678

The speed limit for orthogonal ships in this rule is definitely faster than c/3. Here's a partial for a 2c/5 ship:
x = 34, y = 24, rule = B3478/S156786bob2o2bo3b2o3bo2b2obo$7b2o2b3o2b2o2b3o2b2o$7bobob2o3b2o3b2obobo$4bobob3o5b2o5b3obobo$6bo5bo2b4o2bo5bo$5b3o7b4o7b3o$5b3obob2ob6ob2obob3o$5bo3bobo3b4o3bobo3bo$3b4obo5bob2obo5bob4o$3bo5bo3b2ob2ob2o3bo5bo$2b3ob3ob14ob3ob3o$bo2b5o6bo2bo6b5o2bo$2bo2b4o4b2ob2ob2o4b4o2bo$ob2obo8bo4bo8bob2obo$2b3o3bo3b2o6b2o3bo3b3o$2b2ob3o3b2obo4bob2o3b3ob2o$ob2ob3o3bo3bo2bo3bo3b3ob2obo$2o2b4o6bo4bo6b4o2b2o$b5obo6bo4bo6bob5o$2b2o4bo4b2ob2ob2o4bo4b2o$3b3o3bo4bo4bo4bo3b3o$5b2o4bob2o4b2obo4b2o$6bo2b6o4b6o2bo$7bo7b4o7bo! I would be very surprised if c/2 is actually impossible in this rule. Here are two ships in nearby rules which suggest c/2 is possible: c/2, p4, works in B34/S15 - B3478/S1578 x = 13, y = 9, rule = B3478/S1578bo9bo$bo9bo$3bo5bo$o11bo$o3bo3bo3bo$2bo7bo$bobo2bo2bobo$3bob3obo$5b3o! c/2, p2, works in B34/S156 - B3478/S1568 x = 23, y = 14, rule = B3478/S15687bo7bo$7b2o5b2o$7b2o5b2o$8b3ob3o$9bo3bo$8b2obob2o$5b2ob2o3b2ob2o$5b2obo5bob2o$2b2o15b2o$o2bo2bo9bo2bo2bo$bob3o11b3obo$3b4obobobobob4o$4b3ob3ob3ob3o$8b3ob3o!

So it appears to be the combination of B3 and S167 without any of S0, S2, S3 or S4 which causes the apparent absence of c/2 ships. Adding one of these in seems to allow ships in a fair few other nearby rules:

c/2, p2, with S1467
x = 15, y = 5, rule = B34/S14675b2ob2o$2o2bo5bo2b2o$bo2bobobobo2bo$bobobobobobobo$3bo3bo3bo!

c/2, p2, with S1367
x = 23, y = 11, rule = B3/S13679bo3bo$3b2o4b2ob2o4b2o$bo7b2ob2o7bo$b2o4b2o5b2o4b2o$2bo5b2o3b2o5bo$2b2o2bo9bo2b2o$3b3obo2bobo2bob3o$4bobo3bobo3bobo$2bo5b2obob2o5bo$3ob2ob2ob3ob2ob2ob3o$bo3b2o9b2o3bo!

If it does exist, I'm sure a c/2 ship in this rule will be very large, but I don't believe it's impossible.

And now for something completely different - a 2c/3 signal supported by a p2 wick:
x = 60, y = 20, rule = B3478/S15678:T60,205$47bo$45b2o$44bo4bo$43b2o2bo5b2o$2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b4ob5obob2o2bo$2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b8obobo2bob2o$43b2o3bobobo$47bo!
wildmyron

Posts: 822
Joined: August 9th, 2013, 12:45 am

Re: B3478/S15678

wildmyron wrote:I would be very surprised if c/2 is actually impossible in this rule.

The weird thing is, the gfind search at width 28 instantly finishes. This makes me think a p2 C/2 does not exist, at any reasonable width anyways. A 2c/4 might, but I have no partials for one.
Things to work on:
- Find a (7,1)c/8 ship in a Non-totalistic rule (someone please search the rules)
- Find a C/10 in JustFriends
- Find a C/10 in Day and Night
AforAmpere

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Re: B3478/S15678

LLS proves within no time that 2c/4 D2| is unsatisfiable (within 2 seconds for a 16x16 bbox), so it's probably down to how the combination of transitions disallows it early on.
EDIT: 2c/5 D2| in a 16x16 was also proven impossible in half a minute.
c/2 at C1 symmetry also proven in a 16x16 almost immediately.
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Rhombic

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Re: B3478/S15678

Closer to a 2c/5:
x = 36, y = 19, rule = B3478/S1567816b4o$8bo3b4o4b4o3bo$7bo2b3ob2o4b2ob3o2bo$6b2o7bo4bo7b2o$4b3o4b4obo2bob4o4b3o$3b2o4b2o5bo2bo5b2o4b2o$2b5obobo2b4o2b4o2bobob5o$2bo2bo2bo2bob2o6b2obo2bo2bo2bo$2b4o4b3obobo2bobob3o4b4o$4b4o2bo3bobo2bobo3bo2b4o$7b2o4b2obo2bob2o4b2o$3bo4b5o3bo2bo3b5o4bo$5b3o3b2ob3o2b3ob2o3b3o$2bob5obobo4b2o4bobob5obo$bob4o3b4o8b4o3b4obo$2b3o2b3ob3obo4bob3ob3o2b3o$o5bo2bo4b2ob2ob2o4bo2bo5bo$3b2ob2obobo2b2o4b2o2bobob2ob2o$5b3o20b3o!
Things to work on:
- Find a (7,1)c/8 ship in a Non-totalistic rule (someone please search the rules)
- Find a C/10 in JustFriends
- Find a C/10 in Day and Night
AforAmpere

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Re: B3478/S15678

@rhombic: those searches are way too narrow to get a good feel for the search space. I can't say I've found anything promising though, so it may well be that ships which travel at c/2 do not exist in this rule. I wonder if it's worthwhile making a distinction between "does not exist" and "impossible".

@AforAmpere: I'm still running the width 34 gfind search. The search tree seems to have exploded beyond a depth of about 80 though, so search progress has slowed to a crawl. I'm also tentatively running a few narrower searches to try to complete the partial a bit sooner.

Edit: The longest partial I've got so far:
x = 50, y = 34, rule = B3478/S1567842bo$10bo15bo13bo3bo$7bo2b2ob2o2bo2b2o6bo2bo4bobo3b4o$10b2o2b3ob2o5b2ob3o2bo5bo2b3o$bo3bo2bo8bo5bob5o2b3o5bob3obo$2b2o4bo5bo7bo3b3o2b3obo5b2obo2bo$6b2o3bob2obo6bo8b3o7bob2o$o2bobo3b6obobo6b2obo2bo3bob3o7b2o$obobo3bo2bobob2o2bo4bob2obo2bobobobob4o$11b3obo5bo2bo2bo2b2o6b2o5b3o$o2bo2bobo9bo5bobo2b5o14bo$4b3o5b2ob2obo2b2obo9b8o6bo$2o3bo2bo5bob3o9b2obo3b3o3bo3bo2bo$bo5bo2b2o2b3o2bo5b12o2bobobo2bobo$2o6b4o5b2o2bobobob3ob2obo6bo6bo$2b2ob13o2b2o3b2ob3o2bo8b6o$bob16obobo2bo6bo11bo2bobo$bob16obobo2bo6bo11bo2bobo$2b2ob13o2b2o3b2ob3o2bo8b6o$2o6b4o5b2o2bobobob3ob2obo6bo6bo$bo5bo2b2o2b3o2bo5b12o2bobobo2bobo$2o3bo2bo5bob3o9b2obo3b3o3bo3bo2bo$4b3o5b2ob2obo2b2obo9b8o6bo$o2bo2bobo9bo5bobo2b5o14bo$11b3obo5bo2bo2bo2b2o6b2o5b3o$obobo3bo2bobob2o2bo4bob2obo2bobobobob4o$o2bobo3b6obobo6b2obo2bo3bob3o7b2o$6b2o3bob2obo6bo8b3o7bob2o$2b2o4bo5bo7bo3b3o2b3obo5b2obo2bo$bo3bo2bo8bo5bob5o2b3o5bob3obo$10b2o2b3ob2o5b2ob3o2bo5bo2b3o$7bo2b2ob2o2bo2b2o6bo2bo4bobo3b4o$10bo15bo13bo3bo$42bo! Edit 2: If this doesn't find something by the end of the weekend I will abandon the search. Longest so far: x = 65, y = 34, rule = B3478/S1567818bo10bo7bo19bo$2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2bob3o6b2o2bo2b2o4bo14bo3bo$ob15obo4bo3bob2ob2o2bob2ob3o2bo4bobo3b4o$16obo2b3o2bobo4bobobob8o2bo5bo2b3o$4b5o3b5obo4b10o5b7o2b3o5bob3obo$3o4bo3bobo2bo3b8ob2o4b2ob6o2b3obo5b2obo2bo$o2bob2ob2o2bo2b2o2b19o9b3o7bob2o$2b6o4b2o5b22o2bo2bo3bob3o7b2o$2bo2bo2b3o2b3o2bob16ob2o3bobo2bobobobob4o$3b2ob2o3bo3bob3o3b14ob5o2b2o6b2o5b3o$5b2o2bo2b3o3bo2b2ob11o2bo6b5o14bo$2b3o3bo6bo2b2ob3o2b2obo4bobobo10b8o6bo$5b2o2b2o4bo4b2obob2o5b2o2b2obo3b2obo3b3o3bo3bo2bo$3o6b2o3b2o3b3obo3b6o3b16o2bobobo2bobo$bo2b4ob2ob2obo2bo2b3o5b2o4bobo2bob3ob2obo6bo6bo$bo11bob2o2b2o2b10o5b3o2b3o2bo8b6o$12bo2b2ob2ob12o2bobo9bo11bo2bobo$12bo2b2ob2ob12o2bobo9bo11bo2bobo$bo11bob2o2b2o2b10o5b3o2b3o2bo8b6o$bo2b4ob2ob2obo2bo2b3o5b2o4bobo2bob3ob2obo6bo6bo$3o6b2o3b2o3b3obo3b6o3b16o2bobobo2bobo$5b2o2b2o4bo4b2obob2o5b2o2b2obo3b2obo3b3o3bo3bo2bo$2b3o3bo6bo2b2ob3o2b2obo4bobobo10b8o6bo$5b2o2bo2b3o3bo2b2ob11o2bo6b5o14bo$3b2ob2o3bo3bob3o3b14ob5o2b2o6b2o5b3o$2bo2bo2b3o2b3o2bob16ob2o3bobo2bobobobob4o$2b6o4b2o5b22o2bo2bo3bob3o7b2o$o2bob2ob2o2bo2b2o2b19o9b3o7bob2o$3o4bo3bobo2bo3b8ob2o4b2ob6o2b3obo5b2obo2bo$4b5o3b5obo4b10o5b7o2b3o5bob3obo$16obo2b3o2bobo4bobobob8o2bo5bo2b3o$ob15obo4bo3bob2ob2o2bob2ob3o2bo4bobo3b4o$2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2bob3o6b2o2bo2b2o4bo14bo3bo$18bo10bo7bo19bo!
wildmyron

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Re: B3478/S15678

Nice 2c/7 wickstretcher AforAmpere. Those 2c/5 partials look very promising wildmyron, and I'm now convinced that 2c/5 ships exist.

I searched for some period 11 ships without asymmetry (i.e. only u and v). I searched w7 for 3c/11, and w6 for 2c/11 and c/11. Here are the longest partials:

x = 132, y = 62, rule = B3478/S156785bo12bo4bo9b2o12bo22bo12b2o23bo15b2o$2b2o3b2o8bo2b2o2bo7bo2bo10bobo18b2o3b2o33bobo12bo4bo$3bo3bo9b3o2b3o7bo2bo10bobo33bo2bo20bo3bo12b4o$2b7o7b3o4b3o6bo2bo9bobobo15b2o2b3o2b2o4bob4obo16bobo3bobo8bo6bo$ob7obo7b6o9b2o9b7o15bob5obo7bo2bo17b3o5b3o6bo3b2o3bo$2b7o8bobo2bobo8b2o11b3o19b5o8b2o2b2o16b2o2bobo2b2o6bobo4bobo$bob5obo5bob3o2b3obo5b4o8b3ob3o17b5o8bob2obo18b7o8b4o2b4o$bob5obo8bob2obo6b2ob2ob2o9bo20bobobo10b2o20bo5bo$bo3bo3bo7b8o6bob2obo8b2ob2o18bobobo10b2o36b2ob2ob2o$2b2obob2o10b4o7b2ob2ob2o6bobobobo18bobo31b11o$17bob4obo6bo4bo10bo21bobo10b4o16b3o7b3o$3bo3bo8bo3b2o3bo4bob4obo6bo5bo17bo3bo8bo4bo15bo3b5o3bo7b6o$b2o5b2o7b8o5bo6bo6bo2bo2bo15b9o8b2o22b3o10b4o2b4o$17b8o6bo4bo7bobobobo15bo2bobo2bo5b3o2b3o15bobo5bobo9b4o$b3o3b3o6bo2b4o2bo5b2o2b2o7bo5bo15bo3bo3bo6b2o2b2o17b3obob3o5bobobob2obobobo$o3b3o3bo6bo6bo7b4o9bo3bo15bo2bobobo2bo26b2obo2bo2bob2o3bobobo4bobobo$o9bo6b3o2b3o19b3ob3o14bo4bo4bo7b2o34b2ob2o2b2ob2o$3b5o23bob2obo7bo5bo15bo7bo5b2ob2ob2o31bobo6bobo$19b4o9b4o8bo5bo16bobobobo8bo2bo33bo2bo4bo2bo$18bob2obo6bob4obo29bobobobo5bo3b2o3bo32b2ob2ob2o$16b2o2b2o2b2o4bo2b2o2bo6b2o3b2o16bo5bo5b4o2b4o29bobo3b2o3bobo$4b3o10b2o4b2o6b2o2b2o7b2o3b2o69b10o$4bobo12bo2bo9b4o8bo5bo27b3o2b2o2b3o$3bo3bo9bo2b2o2bo6b2o2b2o6bobobobobo27b2ob4ob2o$2bo5bo8bobo2bobo6bob2obo7bobobobo28bo2b4o2bo$2bo5bo8bo2b2o2bo7bo2bo9b2ob2o29bo3b2o3bo$3bo3bo11bo2bo7bobo2bobo6b2obob2o30b2o2b2o$4b3o10bo2b2o2bo6b2o2b2o6b3obob3o28bob4obo$3ob3ob3o5bob6obo4b3o2b3o45b2o$18b6o55bobo4bobo$bo7bo7bob4obo8b2o43bo3b4o3bo$2bobobobo8b8o5b2ob2ob2o$2b3ob3o10b4o9b4o$3o5b3o4bo2bob2obo2bo4b2o2b2o$o9bo5b2obo2bob2o5bob2obo$b2o5b2o$3bo3bo22b3o2b3o$4b3o25bo2bo$4bobo9b3o4b3o3bo8bo$4b3o11b2o2b2o$17bo2b2o2bo$2b3ob3o8bobo2bobo$bo7bo7bo6bo$3bo3bo8b3o4b3o$b2o5b2o6bobo4bobo$2bo5bo8bo6bo$3b2ob2o9b2o4b2o$5bo10bo2bo2bo2bo$2bo5bo7bo8bo$2bo5bo$16bobo4bobo$2b3ob3o7bobob2obobo$2b2o3b2o10b4o$bo7bo5bo3bo2bo3bo$b3obob3o8bo4bo$2b2o3b2o7b3o4b3o$2bobobobo7b2o2b2o2b2o$4bobo10bo6bo$bob5obo9bo2bo$bo7bo$4b3o8b5o2b5o$2bob3obo! Edit: A short and wide c/4 and c/5. Guess the search program: x = 68, y = 8, rule = B3478/S1567812b4o$2b2o8bo2bo8b2o7bo2bo25bo2bo$11bo4bo17b2o27b2o$ob2obobobobo4bobobobob2obo4bob2obo3b3o11b3o3bob2obo$9bobo4bobo12b2o4b2o4bo11bo4b2o4b2o$b2o2bobo2bobo2bobo2bobo2b2o6bo3b2o4bo3bo3bo3bo4b2o3bo$9b2obo2bob2o13b2obo4b2o2bo2b5o2bo2b2o4bob2o$8b2o8b2o12bobo7bo2bobobobobo2bo7bobo!
Things to work on:
• Work on the snowflakes orthogonoid

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Re: B3478/S15678

Goldtiger997 wrote:Edit: A short and wide c/4 and c/5. Guess the search program:

x = 68, y = 8, rule = B3478/S1567812b4o$2b2o8bo2bo8b2o7bo2bo25bo2bo$11bo4bo17b2o27b2o$ob2obobobobo4bobobobob2obo4bob2obo3b3o11b3o3bob2obo$9bobo4bobo12b2o4b2o4bo11bo4b2o4b2o$b2o2bobo2bobo2bobo2bobo2b2o6bo3b2o4bo3bo3bo3bo4b2o3bo$9b2obo2bob2o13b2obo4b2o2bo2b5o2bo2b2o4bob2o$8b2o8b2o12bobo7bo2bobobobobo2bo7bobo! Some form of WLS/JLS, I would think. Apart from that, the only programs that can do that that I know/can think of are osrc, LLS, and maybe afind, which I don't know anything about. x₁=ηx V ⃰_η=c²√(Λη) K=(Λu²)/2 Pₐ=1−1/(∫^∞_t₀(p(t)ˡ⁽ᵗ⁾)dt) $$x_1=\eta x$$ $$V^*_\eta=c^2\sqrt{\Lambda\eta}$$ $$K=\frac{\Lambda u^2}2$$ $$P_a=1-\frac1{\int^\infty_{t_0}p(t)^{l(t)}dt}$$ http://conwaylife.com/wiki/A_for_all Aidan F. Pierce A for awesome Posts: 1634 Joined: September 13th, 2014, 5:36 pm Location: 0x-1 Re: B3478/S15678 A for awesome wrote:maybe afind, which I don't know anything about. It can't be afind, afind is kind of like gfind, but harder to use, and can do slopes. Things to work on: - Find a (7,1)c/8 ship in a Non-totalistic rule (someone please search the rules) - Find a C/10 in JustFriends - Find a C/10 in Day and Night AforAmpere Posts: 734 Joined: July 1st, 2016, 3:58 pm Re: B3478/S15678 AforAmpere wrote: A for awesome wrote:maybe afind, which I don't know anything about. It can't be afind, afind is kind of like gfind, but harder to use, and can do slopes. Actually, afind conceivably could find those ships, but I'm not sure if it's practically able to. (I've found doing short and wide searches with it very slow.) Here's the best I can come up with on the 2c/5 search after feeding the latest partial in to JLS. I'm exploring one last avenue before I give up. x = 137, y = 42, rule = B3478/S1567887b2o$85bo$83bo3b5obo7bo2bo$84b2ob3o4b2o4b5o$7bo19bo7bo10bo35bo4b3obo5bo3bob2obo$5bo3bo14bo4b2o2bo2b2o6b3obo2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2obob3ob2ob5ob3ob5obo2bo$4b4o3bobo4bo2b3ob2obo2b2ob2obo3bo4bob29o2b2ob2o4bo2bo4b2o5bobo$5b3o2bo5bo2b8obobobo4bobo2b3o2bob29ob2o4b2o2bo2b4o$3bob3obo5b3o2b7o5b10o4bob5o3b5o4b13obo2bo2bobobo6bo3b2ob2o$2bo2bob2o5bob3o2b6ob2o4b2ob8o3bo2bobo3bo4b6ob10o3bo13bobo3b2o$4b2obo7b3o9b19o2b2o2bo2b2ob2obo2bob2o2b2o2b3obo2bobo14b2ob2o$b2o7b3obo3bo2bo2b22o5b2o4b6obo8bo24bo$6b4obobobobo2bobo3b2ob16obo2b3o2b3o2bo2bo3b3ob4o6bo$2b3o5b2o6b2o2b5ob14o3b3obo3bo3b2ob2o12bo2b2o50bo$bo14b5o6bo2b11ob2o2bo3b3o2bo2b2o11bo4bo35bo3bo$bo6b8o10bobobo4bob2o2b3ob2o2bo6bo3b3o5b2o38bo2b2ob3o2bo3bo4bobo$bo2bo3bo3b3o3bob2o3bob2o2b2o5b2obob2o4bo4b2o2b2o7bo2bo36bob2o2bo2bo2bob4ob2obo3bo$bobo2bobobo2b16o3b6o3bob3o3b2o3b2o6b4o2bo2bo34b3o4b8ob2o3bo5bo$bo6bo6bob2ob3obo2bobo4b2o5b3o2bo2bob2ob2ob4o2bob2ob4o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o7b4ob10o4bob2obo$2b6o8bo2b3o2b3o5b10o2b2o2b2obo11bo2bo2b31o2bobob2o2b15o2b7ob2o$obo2bo11bo9bobo2b12ob2ob2o2bo12b3ob32o2bo2b3ob26o$obo2bo11bo9bobo2b12ob2ob2o2bo12b3ob32o2bo2b3ob26o$2b6o8bo2b3o2b3o5b10o2b2o2b2obo11bo2bo2b31o2bobob2o2b15o2b7ob2o$bo6bo6bob2ob3obo2bobo4b2o5b3o2bo2bob2ob2ob4o2bob2ob4o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o7b4ob10o4bob2obo$bobo2bobobo2b16o3b6o3bob3o3b2o3b2o6b4o2bo2bo34b3o4b8ob2o3bo5bo$bo2bo3bo3b3o3bob2o3bob2o2b2o5b2obob2o4bo4b2o2b2o7bo2bo36bob2o2bo2bo2bob4ob2obo3bo$bo6b8o10bobobo4bob2o2b3ob2o2bo6bo3b3o5b2o38bo2b2ob3o2bo3bo4bobo$bo14b5o6bo2b11ob2o2bo3b3o2bo2b2o11bo4bo35bo3bo$2b3o5b2o6b2o2b5ob14o3b3obo3bo3b2ob2o12bo2b2o50bo$6b4obobobobo2bobo3b2ob16obo2b3o2b3o2bo2bo3b3ob4o6bo$b2o7b3obo3bo2bo2b22o5b2o4b6obo8bo24bo$4b2obo7b3o9b19o2b2o2bo2b2ob2obo2bob2o2b2o2b3obo2bobo14b2ob2o$2bo2bob2o5bob3o2b6ob2o4b2ob8o3bo2bobo3bo4b6ob10o3bo13bobo3b2o$3bob3obo5b3o2b7o5b10o4bob5o3b5o4b13obo2bo2bobobo6bo3b2ob2o$5b3o2bo5bo2b8obobobo4bobo2b3o2bob29ob2o4b2o2bo2b4o$4b4o3bobo4bo2b3ob2obo2b2ob2obo3bo4bob29o2b2ob2o4bo2bo4b2o5bobo$5bo3bo14bo4b2o2bo2b2o6b3obo2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2obob3ob2ob5ob3ob5obo2bo$7bo19bo7bo10bo35bo4b3obo5bo3bob2obo$84b2ob3o4b2o4b5o$83bo3b5obo7bo2bo$85bo$87b2o!
wildmyron

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Re: B3478/S15678

wildmyron wrote:Here's the best I can come up with on the 2c/5 search after feeding the latest partial in to JLS. I'm exploring one last avenue before I give up.
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After much needless searching I finally realised that the 6 cell wide p2 wick can burn very nicely at 2c/5 - if it's allowed to do so asymmetrically.
x = 52, y = 6, rule = B3478/S156782b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o3bo$b46o2bo$48o2bo$48o2b2o$b46o2bo$2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o! This would have allowed a bit more flexibility in the search I've been running and I'm sure a smaller 2c/5 would have been found. Nevertheless, here's the first 2c/5 orthogonal ship I have found in this rule (making good use of the above fuse): x = 304, y = 42, rule = B3478/S1567887b2o$85bo$83bo3b5obo$84b2ob3o4b2o77bo54bo$7bo19bo7bo10bo35bo4b3obo5bo18bobo27b4o24bo10b2o16bo48b2o$5bo3bo14bo4b2o2bo2b2o6b3obo2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2obob3ob2ob5ob3ob2o3b2o10bo28bo2bob3ob3o7bob2o2bo2bo2bo8bob2obo6bo5bobo22b5o21b2o3bo$4b4o3bobo4bo2b3ob2obo2b2ob2obo3bo4bob29o2b2ob2o4bo2bo4b2o2bo4bo6b2o2b2o5b2o4bo7bo3b2obob5o6b4obob4ob3o2bo2bob2o5bobobo5bobobo22b3ob3o19bo2b2obo3bo5b2o$5b3o2bo5bo2b8obobobo4bobo2b3o2bob29ob2o4b2o2bo2b4o5bo2bo6bo2bob2obo3b5obo3bo3b2o3b10ob4ob11o2bobo7b4o3bobo2b5o3b2o5bo11bobo2bob3obo4bobo7b2obo2b4ob3o6bo6b2o$3bob3obo5b3o2b7o5b10o4bob5o3b5o4b13obo2bo2bobobo6bo3b4o7bobob3o3bobo2bob4obo2bob2o2bo2bo3bob20o3bobob2o2b3o12bo2bo3b3o2bo9bo2bo2bo5b2obob3o2bo9bo4bobobobo5b2o8bo4bo2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o3bo$2bo2bob2o5bob3o2b6ob2o4b2ob8o3bo2bobo3bo4b6ob10o3bo13bobo4b2ob2ob2o2b2o2bob2o6bob3obob2o5b4ob2o2bo2b15o3bobob3o4bo4bobobob5ob2obo3b3o5b3obo2bobo3b2o3b2o3bo2bob2o3bo3bo2b2o2b6ob2o2b2o2bo6b2ob15o2bo$4b2obo7b3o9b19o2b2o2bo2b2ob2obo2bob2o2b2o2b3obo2bobo14b2o6b2o4bo3bo8b4o2bobo3b4obob2obo2bob2o3bo3b3o2b3o3bo9bo2bob5o10b3o3bob2obo2b3o2b2ob19o3bob2ob21obo3b23o2bo$b2o7b3obo3bo2bo2b22o5b2o4b6obo8bo24bob2o2b3obo2bo3bo4b2obo5bo3b2obobobob3o2b2obobob3obobo2bobo11bo5bobob4o3bobo4bobob3o4b88o2b2o$6b4obobobobo2bobo3b2ob16obo2b3o2b3o2bo2bo3b3ob4o6bo20bo2bob2o7bob3obobob2o5b10o3b4o3b2o11b2ob2ob4ob2o7b4ob3o2bobo10bob89o2bo$2b3o5b2o6b2o2b5ob14o3b3obo3bo3b2ob2o12bo2b2o24bobo2bobo4bo5bob2o2b2o2b3o3b2ob2obo4bo17bo2bo6b2o8b4o4bobo13b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o$bo14b5o6bo2b11ob2o2bo3b3o2bo2b2o11bo4bo25bo5b3obo4b2o2b3o3b3ob4obob3o29bo$bo6b8o10bobobo4bob2o2b3ob2o2bo6bo3b3o5b2o34b2o$bo2bo3bo3b3o3bob2o3bob2o2b2o5b2obob2o4bo4b2o2b2o7bo2bo$bobo2bobobo2b16o3b6o3bob3o3b2o3b2o6b4o2bo2bo$bo6bo6bob2ob3obo2bobo4b2o5b3o2bo2bob2ob2ob4o2bob2ob4o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o3bo$2b6o8bo2b3o2b3o5b10o2b2o2b2obo11bo2bo2b18o2bo$obo2bo11bo9bobo2b12ob2ob2o2bo12b3ob19o2bo$obo2bo11bo9bobo2b12ob2ob2o2bo12b3ob19o2b2o$2b6o8bo2b3o2b3o5b10o2b2o2b2obo11bo2bo2b18o2bo$bo6bo6bob2ob3obo2bobo4b2o5b3o2bo2bob2ob2ob4o2bob2ob4o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o$bobo2bobobo2b16o3b6o3bob3o3b2o3b2o6b4o2bo2bo$bo2bo3bo3b3o3bob2o3bob2o2b2o5b2obob2o4bo4b2o2b2o7bo2bo$bo6b8o10bobobo4bob2o2b3ob2o2bo6bo3b3o5b2o34b2o$bo14b5o6bo2b11ob2o2bo3b3o2bo2b2o11bo4bo25bo5b3obo4b2o2b3o3b3ob4obob3o29bo$2b3o5b2o6b2o2b5ob14o3b3obo3bo3b2ob2o12bo2b2o24bobo2bobo4bo5bob2o2b2o2b3o3b2ob2obo4bo17bo2bo6b2o8b4o4bobo13b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o$6b4obobobobo2bobo3b2ob16obo2b3o2b3o2bo2bo3b3ob4o6bo20bo2bob2o7bob3obobob2o5b10o3b4o3b2o11b2ob2ob4ob2o7b4ob3o2bobo10bob89o2bo$b2o7b3obo3bo2bo2b22o5b2o4b6obo8bo24bob2o2b3obo2bo3bo4b2obo5bo3b2obobobob3o2b2obobob3obobo2bobo11bo5bobob4o3bobo4bobob3o4b88o2b2o$4b2obo7b3o9b19o2b2o2bo2b2ob2obo2bob2o2b2o2b3obo2bobo14b2o6b2o4bo3bo8b4o2bobo3b4obob2obo2bob2o3bo3b3o2b3o3bo9bo2bob5o10b3o3bob2obo2b3o2b2ob19o3bob2ob21obo3b23o2bo$2bo2bob2o5bob3o2b6ob2o4b2ob8o3bo2bobo3bo4b6ob10o3bo13bobo4b2ob2ob2o2b2o2bob2o6bob3obob2o5b4ob2o2bo2b15o3bobob3o4bo4bobobob5ob2obo3b3o5b3obo2bobo3b2o3b2o3bo2bob2o3bo3bo2b2o2b6ob2o2b2o2bo6b2ob15o2bo$3bob3obo5b3o2b7o5b10o4bob5o3b5o4b13obo2bo2bobobo6bo3b4o7bobob3o3bobo2bob4obo2bob2o2bo2bo3bob20o3bobob2o2b3o12bo2bo3b3o2bo9bo2bo2bo5b2obob3o2bo9bo4bobobobo5b2o8bo4bo2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o3bo$5b3o2bo5bo2b8obobobo4bobo2b3o2bob29ob2o4b2o2bo2b4o5bo2bo6bo2bob2obo3b5obo3bo3b2o3b10ob4ob11o2bobo7b4o3bobo2b5o3b2o5bo11bobo2bob3obo4bobo7b2obo2b4ob3o6bo6b2o$4b4o3bobo4bo2b3ob2obo2b2ob2obo3bo4bob29o2b2ob2o4bo2bo4b2o2bo4bo6b2o2b2o5b2o4bo7bo3b2obob5o6b4obob4ob3o2bo2bob2o5bobobo5bobobo22b3ob3o19bo2b2obo3bo5b2o$5bo3bo14bo4b2o2bo2b2o6b3obo2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2obob3ob2ob5ob3ob2o3b2o10bo28bo2bob3ob3o7bob2o2bo2bo2bo8bob2obo6bo5bobo22b5o21b2o3bo$7bo19bo7bo10bo35bo4b3obo5bo18bobo27b4o24bo10b2o16bo48b2o$84b2ob3o4b2o77bo54bo$83bo3b5obo$85bo$87b2o!

As I said, there are almost certainly smaller examples to be found, but I'm halting this search now. If anybody would like gfind dumps to continue the search at width 32 please let me know and I'll happily provide them.

Edit: I still think there's a possibility c/2 ships can exist in this rule, but I won't be searching for them, nor anything faster than 2c/5 such as 3c/7 which is probably also allowed in this rule.

I think it's also worth mentioning is that there are dozens of wickstretchers based on this frontend. Several were found after the first 150 columns, but many more emerge after the configuration near column 210 in the bottom arm of this pattern:
x = 235, y = 42, rule = B3478/S1567887b2o$85bo$83bo3b5obo$84b2ob3o4b2o$7bo19bo7bo10bo35bo4b3obo5bo18bobo27b4o$5bo3bo14bo4b2o2bo2b2o6b3obo2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2obob3ob2ob5ob3ob2o3b2o10bo28bo2bob3ob3o7bob2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o$4b4o3bobo4bo2b3ob2obo2b2ob2obo3bo4bob29o2b2ob2o4bo2bo4b2o2bo4bo6b2o2b2o5b2o4bo7bo3b2obob5o6b4obob69o$5b3o2bo5bo2b8obobobo4bobo2b3o2bob29ob2o4b2o2bo2b4o5bo2bo6bo2bob2obo3b5obo3bo3b2o3b10ob4ob75o$3bob3obo5b3o2b7o5b10o4bob5o3b5o4b13obo2bo2bobobo6bo3b4o7bobob3o3bobo2bob4obo2bob2o2bo2bo3bob81o$2bo2bob2o5bob3o2b6ob2o4b2ob8o3bo2bobo3bo4b6ob10o3bo13bobo4b2ob2ob2o2b2o2bob2o6bob3obob2o5b4ob2o2bo2b78o$4b2obo7b3o9b19o2b2o2bo2b2ob2obo2bob2o2b2o2b3obo2bobo14b2o6b2o4bo3bo8b4o2bobo3b4obob2obo2bob2o3bo3b3o3b66o$b2o7b3obo3bo2bo2b22o5b2o4b6obo8bo24bob2o2b3obo2bo3bo4b2obo5bo3b2obobobob3o2b2obobob3obobo2b2o3b65o$6b4obobobobo2bobo3b2ob16obo2b3o2b3o2bo2bo3b3ob4o6bo20bo2bob2o7bob3obobob2o5b10o3b4o3b2o13bo2b62o$2b3o5b2o6b2o2b5ob14o3b3obo3bo3b2ob2o12bo2b2o24bobo2bobo4bo5bob2o2b2o2b3o3b2ob2obo4bo20bob2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2bo$bo14b5o6bo2b11ob2o2bo3b3o2bo2b2o11bo4bo25bo5b3obo4b2o2b3o3b3ob4obob3o$bo6b8o10bobobo4bob2o2b3ob2o2bo6bo3b3o5b2o34b2o$bo2bo3bo3b3o3bob2o3bob2o2b2o5b2obob2o4bo4b2o2b2o7bo2bo$bobo2bobobo2b16o3b6o3bob3o3b2o3b2o6b4o2bo2bo$bo6bo6bob2ob3obo2bobo4b2o5b3o2bo2bob2ob2ob4o2bob2ob4o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o$2b6o8bo2b3o2b3o5b10o2b2o2b2obo11bo2bo2b164o$obo2bo11bo9bobo2b12ob2ob2o2bo12b3ob165o$obo2bo11bo9bobo2b12ob2ob2o2bo12b3ob165o$2b6o8bo2b3o2b3o5b10o2b2o2b2obo11bo2bo2b164o$bo6bo6bob2ob3obo2bobo4b2o5b3o2bo2bob2ob2ob4o2bob2ob4o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o$bobo2bobobo2b16o3b6o3bob3o3b2o3b2o6b4o2bo2bo$bo2bo3bo3b3o3bob2o3bob2o2b2o5b2obob2o4bo4b2o2b2o7bo2bo$bo6b8o10bobobo4bob2o2b3ob2o2bo6bo3b3o5b2o34b2o$bo14b5o6bo2b11ob2o2bo3b3o2bo2b2o11bo4bo25bo5b3obo4b2o2b3o3b3ob4obob3o29bo$2b3o5b2o6b2o2b5ob14o3b3obo3bo3b2ob2o12bo2b2o24bobo2bobo4bo5bob2o2b2o2b3o3b2ob2obo4bo17bo2bo6b2o8b4o4bobo13b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o$6b4obobobobo2bobo3b2ob16obo2b3o2b3o2bo2bo3b3ob4o6bo20bo2bob2o7bob3obobob2o5b10o3b4o3b2o11b2ob2ob4ob2o7b4ob3o2bobo10bob24o$b2o7b3obo3bo2bo2b22o5b2o4b6obo8bo24bob2o2b3obo2bo3bo4b2obo5bo3b2obobobob3o2b2obobob3obobo2bobo11bo5bobob4o3bobo4bobob3o4b21o$4b2obo7b3o9b19o2b2o2bo2b2ob2obo2bob2o2b2o2b3obo2bobo14b2o6b2o4bo3bo8b4o2bobo3b4obob2obo2bob2o3bo3b3o2b3o3bo9bo2bob5o10b3o3bob2obo2b3ob13o$2bo2bob2o5bob3o2b6ob2o4b2ob8o3bo2bobo3bo4b6ob10o3bo13bobo4b2ob2ob2o2b2o2bob2o6bob3obob2o5b4ob2o2bo2b15o3bobob3o4bo4bobobob5ob2obo3b3o5b3o4b11o$3bob3obo5b3o2b7o5b10o4bob5o3b5o4b13obo2bo2bobobo6bo3b4o7bobob3o3bobo2bob4obo2bob2o2bo2bo3bob20o3bobob2o2b3o12bo2bo3b3o2bo12b2ob10o$5b3o2bo5bo2b8obobobo4bobo2b3o2bob29ob2o4b2o2bo2b4o5bo2bo6bo2bob2obo3b5obo3bo3b2o3b10ob4ob11o2bobo7b4o3bobo2b5o3b2o5bo15b2o2b2o2bo$4b4o3bobo4bo2b3ob2obo2b2ob2obo3bo4bob29o2b2ob2o4bo2bo4b2o2bo4bo6b2o2b2o5b2o4bo7bo3b2obob5o6b4obob4ob3o2bo2bob2o5bobobo5bobobo$5bo3bo14bo4b2o2bo2b2o6b3obo2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2obob3ob2ob5ob3ob2o3b2o10bo28bo2bob3ob3o7bob2o2bo2bo2bo8bob2obo6bo5bobo$7bo19bo7bo10bo35bo4b3obo5bo18bobo27b4o24bo10b2o16bo$84b2ob3o4b2o77bo$83bo3b5obo$85bo\$87b2o!
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