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B3478/S15678

Postby Saka » December 11th, 2015, 3:56 am

I think this rule is interesting because it's similar to diamoeba but is very "diverse", kown speeds are c/4 (Orth. and Diag.), c/24,c/5,c/6 Diagonal,2c/7,c/7, and c/3 (from here)
Here are some gliders found with both gfind and wls
x = 66, y = 34, rule = B3478/S15678
57bo2bo$55b8o$29b2o10b2o12b8o$55bob4obo$31bo8bo15b6o$30b2o3b2o3b2o14b
2o2b2o$29bobo8bobo14bo2bo$3b3o25bo3b2o3bo16b4o$4bo25bob8obo11bobo6bobo
$3bobo24bo2b6o2bo13b3o2b3o$2bobobo25b8o17bo2bo$b3ob3o24b8o16b6o$4bo27b
8o16b6o$ob5obo21b12o16b2o$2b5o23b12o16b2o$bob3obo22b12o14b6o$b7o23b10o
12bobob4obobo$2bo3bo24b10o14bob4obo$3b3o24bo4b2o4bo13b2ob2ob2o$32b3o2b
3o13bo2b6o2bo$35b2o18bobo2bobo$34b4o15bobobo2bobobo$31bo2bo2bo2bo14bo
2b2o2bo$30b2o2b4o2b2o13bo2b2o2bo$31b2o2b2o2b2o14b2o4b2o$30bo3bo2bo3bo
16b2o$31b2o2b2o2b2o15bo4bo$31b2o6b2o13b2o6b2o$30bo2bo4bo2bo13b3o2b3o$
30bo2bo4bo2bo11bo10bo$52bob10obo$29bob2obo2bob2obo9bo12bo$57b4o$31b2o
6b2o13b2o6b2o!
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x = 17, y = 10, rule = B3/S23
b2ob2obo5b2o$11b4obo$2bob3o2bo2b3o$bo3b2o4b2o$o2bo2bob2o3b4o$bob2obo5b
o2b2o$2b2o4bobo2b3o$bo3b5ob2obobo$2bo5bob2o$4bob2o2bobobo!

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Re: B3478/S15678

Postby AforAmpere » February 26th, 2018, 8:46 pm

Sorry for bringing this back, but this rule has an absurd amount of small ships:
x = 536, y = 128, rule = B3478/S15678
12b2o32bo7bo23b2o15bo15b2o14b2o15bo16b2o16b2o17bo19b2o18bo14bo9bo13b3o
8b3o16b2o14bobobobo12bo2bo12bo3bo11b2o12bo12b2o10bob3obo13bo31bob3o26b
ob3o29b4o$5b4obob2obob4o24bo2b5o2bo70bo2bo30bo2bo32bo3bo14b2o4b2o13bob
obo10bo2bo7bo2bo10b2o12b2o14b4o12bo7bo10bob2obo10bo2bo2bo48bob5obo10b
5o28bo4b2o25bo3bo29bo$4b6ob4ob6o21bobo4bo4bobo18bob2obo10bo5bo10bob2ob
o10b6o28b6o12bo4bo10b3o2bo2b3o10bo3b2o3bo12b3o2bo8bo3b2o5b2o3bo8b2o2bo
bo4bobo2b2o13bo2bo14bo3bo12b6o9b2obobob2o7bob2obo7bo5bo7bob2obo9b5o11b
7o25bo4b2obo26bo3bo29b3obo$3b5ob8ob5o18bobo4bobobo4bobo33b5o26bo6bo9b
7o10bo6bo12bo14bobo5bobo10bo2bo2bo2bo11bo2b2o11bobob2o3b2obobo10b3obo
6bob3o11b10o10bo5bo9bo2b4o2bo6bobob3obobo20b5o23b5o10b9o22bob3o4b3o23b
ob4obo26bobobobo$6b2obo2b2o2bob2o19bob2ob2o9b2ob2obo14b6o11b5o11b6o11b
o2bo10b9o11bo2bo13b6o10b4obob4o11bo2b2o2bo13bob3o9bo5bo3bo5bo10bob2o6b
2obo12bob6obo12b3o14b4o10bo3bo3bo7b6o8b5o8b6o9b5o10b9o20bo2bob2obo27bo
8bo28b2obo$b3o8b2o8b3o13b6o13b6o13b2o2b2o10b7o10b2o2b2o9bobo2bobo9b7o
12bo2bo12b2o17b7o13bobo2bobo17bo10b4o7b4o11b3o8b3o14b6o11bobo3bobo8b2o
b4ob2o23b2o2b2o7b7o7b2o2b2o9b5o10b9o21b4o3bo3bo23bo2b5o2bo22bob2o3b2o$
2o6b2o6b2o6b2o14b4ob5ob5ob4o15bob2obo10bob3obo10bob2obo11bo2bo10bob5ob
o9bobo2bobo9bob4o13b9o12b3o2b3o14bo17bo5bo41bob6obo9b2o5b2o8b2ob4ob2o
23bob2obo7b7o7bob2obo8bob3obo11b5o22bo2bo3bo2b2o24bobobo2bobob2o18bob
4obo$2o2b3o2bo6bo2b3o2b2o11b4obobo2b7o2bobob4o12b6o10bo2bo2bo10b6o26b
2obob2o13b2o14b4o14b7o51b3o5b3o15b2o6b2o15bob4obo10bo7bo11b4o13b3o10b
6o7b7o7b6o6bo3b3o3bo8bo5bo19bobobob5o25bobo4bobobo2bo18b5o$3b5ob2o4b2o
b5o12bo2bo3b2obo9bob2o3bo2bo11b4o14bo14b4o30bo14b6o11b5o16b3o16b6o14b
2o2b2o11bo9bo11bob2obo6bob2obo9bobo2b2o2bobo7bo9bo8bo2b2o2bo9bobobobo
9b4o10b3o10b4o25bo7bo18b3o2b4o3bo24b2o5b2obo2bo19b5o$2b4o2b2o2b2o2b2o
2b4o12bob3o4bob2obob2obo4b3obo11b6o10bo5bo10b6o12bo2bo28b6o14b2obo12bo
5bo13bobo2bobo15b2o10b3o2b2o3b2o2b3o8bo3b3o4b3o3bo9bobo2b2o2bobo27bob
2obo10bob3obo8b6o9b3o9b6o6bob2o3b2obo34b8o4bo32bob2o20b4o$ob2o8b2o8b2o
bo11b2obobo2bo9bo2bobob2o13b4o14bo14b4o14bobo27bob4obo11bob3o13bo5bo
12bo3b2o3bo11b2o3b2o9b2ob2o5b2ob2o10bob3o6b3obo10bobo6bobo7b2o7b2o8b2o
b2ob2o8b2ob3ob2o6bob4obo8b3o8bob4obo49b5ob4o23bob3o7bo4b2o15bob3ob2o$
2bob2o2bo2b4o2bo2b2obo12b6o5b3ob3o5b6o29b3o31b2o31b2o13b4ob2o9b3o7b3o
12b4o29bobobobo3bobobobo9bobo3bo2bo3bobo11b2o6b2o8b11o9bob2obo8bob7obo
6bob2obo7b7o7bob2obo10bobo40b2o3bob2obo19bo3b2o9bo16bo2b3o$b2o4bob8obo
4b2o13b4o2b4o5b4o2b4o14bo2bo29bo2bo13bo48b2obo2bo30b3ob4ob3o14bo11b2o
2bo5bo2b2o13bo8bo15bo6bo8bob2o5b2obo6bo3b2o3bo7b9o9b2o11b3o11b2o10b7o
38bob2obobobo21bobo6b5o19b3o$b4o2b2o2b4o2b2o2b4o11b6o3b5ob5o3b6o30bo
81bob3o35b4o15bo3b2o10b2o9b2o13bo2bo4bo2bo14b8o8b2obo5bob2o7bob4obo7b
11o7b4o9b5o9b4o9b2o3b2o40b5o27bo2bo2bo21b4obo$3bobo3bob4obo3bobo12b6o
3bo2bo5bo2bo3b6o117bo34b2o17b3obo11b4o3b4o16bo6bo36bo3bo13b4o14bo13b2o
12bo12b2o9b2ob3ob2o38b3ob3o27bob2o2bo18b2o2bo$bo6bo2b4o2bo6bo13b3o2bob
obo5bobobo2b3o117bo35bob2obo17bo13b2o7b2o13bobo3b2o3bobo12bo2b4o2bo11b
o3bo11b8o10b2ob2o23b2ob2o68bobobo30bobo25bobo$o9b6o9bo10b2obo2b2ob2o7b
2ob2o2bob2o117bo33bob2obo17b2o13bo7bo14b3o2b4o2b3o35bo12bob6obo9bo3bo
10bo2bo23bo2bo56bo35bo24bo$o3b3o5b2o5b3o3bo9bob2o2bo3b2o7b2o3bo2b2obo
112b2o36b6o17bo13b3o5b3o13b3o8b3o13b3o2b3o26bo3b4o3bo24b2o25b2o10bobob
obo74bo26bo$bo10b2o10bo12b4ob3obo7bob3ob4o115b2obo33b6o15bob3o12b2o5b
2o16bo8bo14b3o4b3o26b2ob4ob2o10b3o10b6o8b5o8b6o11bo78b2o$2b2o18b2o12bo
4bo3bo9bo3bo4bo112b5o35b4o16bob2o11b4o5b4o14bo8bo16b2o2b2o29bob4obo9bo
b3obo10b2o25b2o11bo3bo$37b2o5bo11bo5b2o113b7o30b2ob4ob2o13b2o16b3ob3o
42bobo2bobo29b6o10bo5bo8b6o21b6o7b3o3b3o$38b2o2b2o13b2o2b2o115b4obo33b
4o15bo16bobo2bo2bobo40b2o4b2o27bob6obo8bo5bo9b4o23b4o9b3ob3o$37b2o2b3o
2b2o5b2o2b3o2b2o113b6o30bo3b4o3bo10bobo15b2o7b2o42bo2bo29bob6obo9b5o8b
ob4obo19bob4obo7bo5bo$42bob4obobob4obo118b4o34bob4obo11b2o15b2o11b2o
37b2o6b2o28b6o11b5o8bob4obo19bob4obo8bo3bo$36bobo2b9ob9o2bobo112b5o33b
8o10bo3bo14b2obo5bob2o40bo4bo31b4o12b2ob2o10b4o23b4o9b7o$40b10ob10o
116b4o34bob4obo14b2o13b3o7b3o76bob2obo12bobo12b2o25b2o11b5o$38bo4b6obo
b6o4bo153b6o12bobobo12bobo9bobo107b4o23b4o10b5o$41bob6obob6obo117bo2bo
35b6o14b2o13bobobo5bobobo106bob2obo21bob2obo7bob5obo$40bob7o3b7obo117b
obo35b6o13b3obo13b3o5b3o107bo6bo19bo6bo8b5o$39bo4b4ob3ob4o4bo117b2o36b
4o15bo2bo11bo2bob5obo2bo107b4o23b4o9bo5bo$44b4o2bo2b4o123bo35bob2obo
11bo5bo14bo7bo109b2o2b2o21b2o2b2o8bobobobo$40b3ob4o5b4ob3o116bo4bo50bo
2bo2bo131b8o19b8o9bobo$43b4o7b4o118bo2b3obo30bo2bo2bo2bo11b3obo14b3obo
b3o108bobo2bobo19bobo2bobo8b5o$180bo34bo6bo12b2ob2o12b5o3b5o108b4o23b
4o10b5o$177bo2bo34bobo2bobo11bo3bo133b6o21b6o9b5o$176b4o54bob2o12bob3o
7b3obo104b8o19b8o7bo2bo2bo$177bo2bo69bob3obobobob3obo106b4o23b4o9b2o3b
2o$181bobo51b3o14b3obo3bob3o108b4o23b4o10bo3bo$179bobo55bo13bo13bo107b
4o23b4o11b3o$179bobo69bo3bobobobo3bo108b2o25b2o$178b2o56bo14b5o5b5o
148bo3bo$177bobo56bobo13bob3o3b3obo109b2o25b2o8b4o3b4o$180b2o53b2ob2o
13bob2obob2obo109b4o23b4o$177bo3b2o52bo19bob3obo110b6o21b6o7bo2b3o2bo$
176bo3b3o51bo3bo15bob5obo110b4o23b4o10bo3bo$177bo58bo17bob2ob2obo109b
6o21b6o8bob3obo$175bo2bob3o50b6o15bo3bo3bo109b6o21b6o8bobobobo$175bo2b
o59bo16b7o112b2o25b2o$179bo56b3o13bob2ob3ob2obo109b2o25b2o10bo5bo$177b
o4bo51b2o3bo12bo2b7o2bo107bob2obo21bob2obo7b2o5b2o$178bo3bo53b2obo10b
4obob3obob4o105bo4bo21bo4bo7b3o3b3o$179b3o53b3obo10b3o11b3o104b2o4b2o
19b2o4b2o7b2o3b2o$176bob2obo53bob3o11bob2o3bo3b2obo105b2o4b2o19b2o4b2o
7bo5bo$176b3obo56b3o16bobobo113b2o25b2o11bo3bo$178bobo53bo3bo12bob11ob
o108b2o25b2o10b7o$175bo2bo56b3o14b13o148bo2bo2bo$178b3obo55bobo12b11o
151b3o$176bo5bo53bo3bo11bob9obo150b3o$177bob3o56b2o11bo2b9o2bo148b5o$
176bo2bobo52bo17bob9obo148b7o$236b2obo15b7o149bob7obo$178bo2bo54bo19b
5o153b5o$179bo75b7o151b7o$177b3o77b3o155b3o$178b3o76b3o155b3o$176b3o
76b7o153b3o$177b2obo73bob5obo$177bo2bo75b5o154b3o$177bo75bo3b3o3bo151b
3o$254bob5obo151bobobo$178b4o76bo156bobo$180bo77bo153bob5obo$414b5o$
177b3o2b2o229b7o$178bo234b7o$176bo3b3o231b5o$179bo3bo229bob3obo$178bob
2o232bobobo$178bob2o231b2o3b2o$178b2obo232b5o$177b3o235b3o$176b3o2bo
232b5o$175bo2b3o232b7o$178b3o234b3o$179b4o231bo3bo$178bobo234bobo$178b
o3bo232b3o$413bobobobo$178bo2bo230b2o5b2o$176bo2bo232b2o5b2o$179bo2bo
231b5o$177b3o2bo229b9o$177b4obo231b5o$179b2obo230b7o$177b4o233b5o$177b
ob2o233bo3bo$178bo2b2o232bobo$179b2obo232bobo$175bobo3b3o$176b3o3b2o
230bo3bo$177b3ob2o232bobo$177b4o$177bob4o$178bob3o$176b2o$175bobo4bo$
177bob2ob2o$176bo$175b3obo$176b2ob3o$175bo5bo$176b2o3bo$177b2o3bo$181b
obo$182bo$179b3o$178bobobo$179b3o$177bobobo$180bo$177bo$179b3o$179bob
2o$178bo3bo$177bo2bo$179bo$180bo2bo$181b2o!

I am not sure what the speed limits are, but C/2 looks to be impossible. Those p3 C/3's are minimum width, which is ridiculous.
Things to work on:
- Find a (7,1)c/8 ship in a Non-totalistic rule (someone please search the rules)
- Find a C/10 in JustFriends
- Find a C/10 in Day and Night
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Re: B3478/S15678

Postby 77topaz » February 26th, 2018, 10:36 pm

AforAmpere wrote:Sorry for bringing this back, but this rule has an absurd amount of small ships:
RLE

I am not sure what the speed limits are, but C/2 looks to be impossible. Those p3 C/3's are minimum width, which is ridiculous.


That's an impressive collection of ships! :D What is the speed of each "set" of ships? There looks to be quite a variety of speeds.
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Re: B3478/S15678

Postby AforAmpere » February 26th, 2018, 10:44 pm

77topaz wrote:What is the speed of each "set" of ships? There looks to be quite a variety of speeds.

I have a table of the speeds found so far on the wiki. They are of many different speeds, and the only orthogonal up to p9 not found that is possible is a 2c/9 so far. I am searching for a C/7 diagonal now.
Things to work on:
- Find a (7,1)c/8 ship in a Non-totalistic rule (someone please search the rules)
- Find a C/10 in JustFriends
- Find a C/10 in Day and Night
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Re: B3478/S15678

Postby 77topaz » February 26th, 2018, 11:45 pm

AforAmpere wrote:I have a table of the speeds found so far on the wiki. They are of many different speeds, and the only orthogonal up to p9 not found that is possible is a 2c/9 so far. I am searching for a C/7 diagonal now.


Okay. But what I meant was, what, in order, are the speeds in the RLE file of spaceships that you posted?
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Re: B3478/S15678

Postby Bullet51 » February 27th, 2018, 11:24 am

P2-6,8,10,12,16,22:
x = 92, y = 73, rule = B3478/S15678
4bo2bo$3bo2bo2bo$4b3o4bo$bobo3b3o3b2o$3b2o2b4ob3o$6b2o2b5o$4bo8b2o4$3b
2o8b2o$2bo2bob2o2b4o$13b3o$3b2o2b2obob2obo$5bo7bo$4bo8bo$5bo4$14bo$4bo
b3o4bo$4bo8b2o$4bo2b2obob3o$4bo8bo$4bob3o2b2o2bo$9b2o2b2o4$4bob3o2b3ob
o$3b4ob4ob4o$bob5ob2ob5obo$3b5o4b5o$3b5o4b5o$bob5ob2ob5obo$3b4ob4ob4o$
4bob3o2b3obo5$6bo4bo$4b2o2bob2obo2bo$b3o3b3o2bo4bo$3bobobo2b2o3bo$3bob
obo2b2o3bo$b3o3b3o2bo4bo$4b2o2bob2obo2bo$6bo4bo11$23bo$5bo15b3o45bo$
22b3o12bo30bo20bo$4b3o16bo11bobo3bo25b3o16b3o$3b5o11bo7bo6b7o26b2o13bo
2b4o$2b7o8b4o5b2o7b6o21bobob4o13b7o$ob7obo7b2o5b4o4b8o22b9o11b8o$2b7o
9bo7bo8b8o21b9o10b8o$3b5o14bo12b6o25b4obobo10b7o$4b3o14b3o11b7o25b2o
16b4o2bo$22b3o9bo3bobo25b3o16b3o$5bo16bo15bo28bo16bo$66bo!


EDIT: Inverse P7:
x = 34, y = 28, rule = B3478/S15678
34o$34o$34o$34o$34o$34o$34o$34o$34o$34o$11o2b9o2b10o$11o2b2o2bo2b2o2b
10o$13obo2bo2bob12o$14o7b13o$12o11b11o$12o11b11o$14o7b13o$12o11b11o$
12o11b11o$14o7b13o$13obo2bo2bob12o$11o2b2o2bo2b2o2b10o$11o2b9o2b10o$
34o$34o$34o$34o$34o!
Still drifting.
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Re: B3478/S15678

Postby BlinkerSpawn » February 27th, 2018, 11:40 am

Bullet51 wrote:EDIT: Inverse P7:
x = 34, y = 28, rule = B3478/S15678
34o$34o$34o$34o$34o$34o$34o$34o$34o$34o$11o2b9o2b10o$11o2b2o2bo2b2o2b
10o$13obo2bo2bob12o$14o7b13o$12o11b11o$12o11b11o$14o7b13o$12o11b11o$
12o11b11o$14o7b13o$13obo2bo2bob12o$11o2b2o2bo2b2o2b10o$11o2b9o2b10o$
34o$34o$34o$34o$34o!

Stabilized for a pseudo-p28:
x = 20, y = 20, rule = B3478/S15678
bo2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o$19o$b19o$b2o2b9o2b4o$3ob3o5b3ob3o$5o4bo4b5o$b4o9b6o
$b3o11b5o$4o11b4o$4obo7bob4o$b3o11b5o$b3o11b5o$5o9b5o$5o4bo4b5o$b2ob3o
5b3ob4o$b2o2b9o2b4o$19o$19o$b19o$2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2bo!
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Re: B3478/S15678

Postby AforAmpere » February 27th, 2018, 5:30 pm

A small C/9:
x = 10, y = 27, rule = B3478/S15678
3b4o$3b4o$2b6o$b8o$b8o$10o$b8o$b8o$2b6o$b8o$3b4o$3b4o$2bo4bo4$3b4o$3b
4o$3b4o$2bob2obo$2b6o$4b2o$3b4o3$3b4o$2bob2obo!
Things to work on:
- Find a (7,1)c/8 ship in a Non-totalistic rule (someone please search the rules)
- Find a C/10 in JustFriends
- Find a C/10 in Day and Night
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Re: B3478/S15678

Postby Bullet51 » February 28th, 2018, 12:21 am

P20:
x = 8, y = 4, rule = B3478/S15678
b6o$8o$8o$b6o!

P14:
x = 14, y = 14, rule = B3478/S15678
9bo$3b6o$2b10o$2b11o$ob11o$b12o$b12o$b12o$b12o$b11obo$b11o$2b10o$5b6o$
4bo!

P45:
x = 8, y = 9, rule = B3478/S15678
3b2o$2b4o$b6o$8o$8o$8o$b6o$2b4o$3b2o!
Still drifting.
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Re: B3478/S15678

Postby 77topaz » February 28th, 2018, 12:24 am

Bullet51 wrote:P45:
x = 8, y = 9, rule = B3478/S15678
3b2o$2b4o$b6o$8o$8o$8o$b6o$2b4o$3b2o!


This last one doesn't work, it collapses down to a p2 after about 250 generations.
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Re: B3478/S15678

Postby AforAmpere » March 2nd, 2018, 7:34 am

C/10:
x = 12, y = 95, rule = B3478/S15678
5b2o$5b2o$5b2o$5b2o2$4b4o2$5b2o$3b2o2b2o$4bo2bo$3b6o$3b6o$2b8o$2b8o$2b
8o$2b8o$2bob4obo$3b6o$5b2o$2bo2b2o2bo$3bob2obo$2bo2b2o2bo$5b2o$3b6o$2b
2ob2ob2o$3bob2obo$5b2o$3b6o$4b4o$3b6o$b10o$b10o$3b6o$2b8o$4b4o2$4bo2bo
2$4bo2bo$2bo6bo$2bob4obo$4b4o$2bob4obo$b10o$3ob4ob3o3$5b2o2$3bob2obo$
5b2o$5b2o$3bob2obo$2b8o$2bo2b2o2bo$3bob2obo$4b4o$5b2o$4b4o$2b8o$4b4o$
2b2o4b2o$3b6o$bo2b4o2bo$b10o$bo2b4o2bo$bo2b4o2bo$4b4o$3bob2obo$2bo2b2o
2bo$4b4o$bo2b4o2bo$2b8o$b10o$bob6obo$4b4o$3b6o$3b6o$3bob2obo$3bob2obo$
4b4o$5b2o$3bo4bo$3b2o2b2o$2bobo2bobo$ob8obo$2bobo2bobo$bo2b4o2bo$2b8o$
3b6o$3b6o$2b8o$4b4o$5b2o$2o2b4o2b2o!
Things to work on:
- Find a (7,1)c/8 ship in a Non-totalistic rule (someone please search the rules)
- Find a C/10 in JustFriends
- Find a C/10 in Day and Night
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Re: B3478/S15678

Postby Goldtiger997 » March 2nd, 2018, 9:05 pm

AforAmpere wrote:C/10:
width 12 c/10 spaceship

Nice work AforAmpere. I was searching for a c/10 with even symmetry w6 at the same time as you. My search finished because an infinitely extensible partial caused the depth limit to be reached, so I had to start another search but with "m2000". But you found one first so I quit my search. I searched p9 k2 w8 u without success, but p9 k2 w8 v gave me this wickstretcher. I found the stabilisation with wls:

x = 16, y = 114, rule = B3478/S15678
4bo6bo$3bo2b4o2bo$b2ob3o2b3ob2o$b5ob2ob5o$2b3obo2bob3o$2b2o8b2o$4b2o4b
2o$3bo8bo$2bo3b4o3bo$2b4o4b4o$5b6o$5bob2obo$6bo2bo$7b2o$5bob2obo$5bo4b
o$5bo4bo$6bo2bo$5bo4bo$3b3o4b3o$3bo2bo2bo2bo$3b2o2b2o2b2o$5bob2obo$bob
o2b4o2bobo$4bobo2bobo$2bobo6bobo$2bo10bo$4b2o4b2o$5bob2obo$6bo2bo$7b2o
$5bo4bo$4b2o4b2o$5b2o2b2o$7b2o$6bo2bo3$4b8o$4bob4obo$4bob4obo$5b6o$5b
6o$2b3ob4ob3o$5b6o$b14o$4b8o$bobob6obobo$5b6o$3b2ob4ob2o$5bob2obo$3b2o
bo2bob2o2$3bo8bo$7b2o$4b2ob2ob2o$bob4o2b4obo$bobo2b4o2bobo$2b5o2b5o$bo
b2o2b2o2b2obo$bob3o4b3obo$2b2obo4bob2o$2b2o2bo2bo2b2o$3bo3b2o3bo$4bo6b
o$3b2o2b2o2b2o$3bo8bo$2bo2bo4bo2bo$2b2o8b2o$3b2o6b2o2$3bobo4bobo$3b3o
4b3o$5b2o2b2o$2bo10bo$2bo2bo4bo2bo$2bo4b2o4bo$2b2o3b2o3b2o2$2b3o6b3o2$
bob2o6b2obo$2b3o6b3o$ob4ob2ob4obo$b3ob2o2b2ob3o$2bo2bo4bo2bo$2o3bo4bo
3b2o$2o3b2o2b2o3b2o$3bo8bo$b2obo6bob2o$2bo10bo$bobo8bobo$2bobo6bobo$b
3o8b3o$3bo2bo2bo2bo$4b3o2b3o$5b6o$5bob2obo$3bo2b4o2bo$2bo2b6o2bo$2b12o
$4b8o$2bob8obo$2bob8obo$3b10o$2b12o$16o$b14o$b14o$16o$16o$3bob6obo$4bo
2b2o2bo$5bo4bo!


I am now running the search again but with "m2000" to stop more wickstretchers from being found and the search being quit. Maybe I should just do this every time I try a new search.

P.S. @rokicki, the new ntzfind is great!
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Re: B3478/S15678

Postby AforAmpere » March 2nd, 2018, 10:02 pm

Goldtiger997 wrote:I searched p9 k2 w8 u without success, but p9 k2 w8 v gave me this wickstretcher. I found the stabilisation with wls:
Large RLE


Nice! I hope this means there are ships.
Things to work on:
- Find a (7,1)c/8 ship in a Non-totalistic rule (someone please search the rules)
- Find a C/10 in JustFriends
- Find a C/10 in Day and Night
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Re: B3478/S15678

Postby Goldtiger997 » March 5th, 2018, 7:23 pm

Finally found a 2c/9:
x = 16, y = 137, rule = B3478/S15678
4bo6bo$3bo2b4o2bo$b2ob3o2b3ob2o$b5ob2ob5o$2b3obo2bob3o$2b2o8b2o$4b2o4b
2o$3bo8bo$2bo3b4o3bo$2b4o4b4o$5b6o$5bob2obo$6bo2bo$7b2o$5bob2obo$5bo4b
o$5bo4bo$6bo2bo$5bo4bo$4b2o4b2o$3bobo4bobo$3bobo4bobo$5bo4bo$4b8o$3b3o
4b3o$4b3o2b3o$b2ob2o4b2ob2o$6b4o$2bob2o4b2obo$4bob4obo$4bob4obo$3b2o2b
2o2b2o$3bo2b4o2bo$4b2ob2ob2o$4bo2b2o2bo$3b3ob2ob3o$4b8o$6b4o$3b2ob4ob
2o$5b6o$3b10o$4bob4obo$5b6o$3b3ob2ob3o$7b2o$7b2o$bob3ob2ob3obo$bo5b2o
5bo$bo4b4o4bo$2bo2b6o2bo$5b6o$3bob6obo$3bob6obo$3bob6obo$4b8o$4b8o$4b
8o$3b2ob4ob2o$2bo3b4o3bo$5b6o$3b10o$2bo4b2o4bo$2bobobo2bobobo$4bo6bo$
3b2o6b2o$5bo4bo$4bo2b2o2bo$4bo2b2o2bo$7b2o$3bobob2obobo$4b8o$bob10obo$
3b10o$bob10obo$2b12o$4b8o$2bob8obo$2bo2b6o2bo$2b3ob4ob3o$3b2ob4ob2o$5b
ob2obo$2bo2bob2obo2bo$2bo10bo$2bo2b6o2bo$3bobo4bobo$3bo3b2o3bo$4b8o$5b
6o$4b8o$bo2b8o2bo$bob2ob4ob2obo$3bo2b4o2bo$bob2ob4ob2obo$o3bob4obo3bo$
2o4b4o4b2o$2b3ob4ob3o$6b4o$3b10o$3bob6obo$4b8o$5b6o$5bob2obo5$6b4o$5b
6o$4b8o$6b4o$5b6o$bobob6obobo$2bo3b4o3bo$4obob2obob4o$b6o2b6o$b2o3bo2b
o3b2o$b2o3b4o3b2o$2bob3o2b3obo$b2o3bo2bo3b2o$3b4o2b4o$6bo2bo$4bo6bo$6b
o2bo$6bo2bo$6b4o$6b4o$7b2o$6b4o$3bob6obo$4b8o$4b2o4b2o$4bob4obo$5b6o$
3b2ob4ob2o3$5b2o2b2o!


The speed limit for orthogonal ships appears to be c/3, but I'm not sure. However, diagonal ships can travel at c/5d, so maybe the speed limits are different for different directions. I'm not used to using wls to find spaceships, but since this rule is totalistic, maybe I'll give it a go.
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Re: B3478/S15678

Postby AforAmpere » March 5th, 2018, 7:36 pm

Goldtiger997 wrote:Finally found a 2c/9

Nice! Have you checked that lower widths are not possible for it?
Goldtiger997 wrote:However, diagonal ships can travel at c/5d, so maybe the speed limits are different for different directions.

I'm not completely sure what the speed limits are, but C/4 d is also possible, there is an example above somewhere.

EDIT, 2c/7 wickstretcher:
x = 47, y = 93, rule = B3478/S15678
9$19b2o$17bo4bo$19b2o$15bo2b4o2bo$16b8o$15bob6obo$16b8o$18b4o$18b4o$
17bob2obo$18bo2bo2$17bob2obo$16b2ob2ob2o$15bo8bo$18bo2bo$13bob2obo2bob
2obo$16b2o4b2o$14b2ob2o2b2ob2o$16bobo2bobo$16b3o2b3o$15b2o6b2o$15b2o2b
2o2b2o$14bo3b4o3bo$15bobob2obobo$18bo2bo$18bo2bo$18b4o$16b8o$16b8o$17b
6o$15b10o$16b8o$16b8o$14bob8obo$15b10o$14b12o$14b12o$13b14o$13b14o$14b
12o$14b12o$13b14o$13b14o$14b12o$14b12o$13b14o$13b14o$14b12o$14b12o$13b
14o$13b14o$14b12o$14b12o$13b14o$13b14o$14b12o$14b12o$13b14o$13b14o$14b
12o$14b12o$13b14o$13b14o$14b12o$14b12o$13b14o$13b14o$14b12o$14b12o$13b
14o$13b14o$14b12o$14b12o$13b14o$13b14o$15b3o2bob4o$14bob2obo3b2obo!


EDIT 2, a small C/6 diagonal:
x = 12, y = 12, rule = B3478/S15678
6b4o$6bo$7b3obo$7bobobo$b2o2b2ob2obo$6obo2b2o$bobo2b2o$2obo2bo$4b3o$3o
3b2o$2bob4o$2bobobo!


EDIT 3, my current compendium of moving objects:
x = 690, y = 137, rule = B3478/S15678
6b2o27bo6bo37b2o32bo7bo23b2o15bo15b2o14b2o15bo16b2o16b2o17bo19b2o18bo
14bo9bo13b3o8b3o16b2o14bobobobo12bo2bo12bo3bo11b2o12bo12b2o10bob3obo
11b4o13bo6bo18b2o21bo31bob3o26bob3o29b4o18b4o$4bo4bo24bo2b4o2bo29b4obo
b2obob4o24bo2b5o2bo70bo2bo30bo2bo32bo3bo14b2o4b2o13bobobo10bo2bo7bo2bo
10b2o12b2o14b4o12bo7bo10bob2obo10bo2bo2bo48bob5obo10b4o12bo2b4o2bo17b
2o19b5o28bo4b2o25bo3bo29bo21bo$6b2o24b2ob3o2b3ob2o26b6ob4ob6o21bobo4bo
4bobo18bob2obo10bo5bo10bob2obo10b6o28b6o12bo4bo10b3o2bo2b3o10bo3b2o3bo
12b3o2bo8bo3b2o5b2o3bo8b2o2bobo4bobo2b2o13bo2bo14bo3bo12b6o9b2obobob2o
7bob2obo7bo5bo7bob2obo9b5o11b6o9b2ob3o2b3ob2o15b2o18b7o25bo4b2obo26bo
3bo29b3obo17b3obo$2bo2b4o2bo20b5ob2ob5o25b5ob8ob5o18bobo4bobobo4bobo
33b5o26bo6bo9b7o10bo6bo12bo14bobo5bobo10bo2bo2bo2bo11bo2b2o11bobob2o3b
2obobo10b3obo6bob3o11b10o10bo5bo9bo2b4o2bo6bobob3obobo20b5o23b5o10b8o
8b5ob2ob5o15b2o17b9o22bob3o4b3o23bob4obo26bobobobo17bobobo$3b8o22b3obo
2bob3o29b2obo2b2o2bob2o19bob2ob2o9b2ob2obo14b6o11b5o11b6o11bo2bo10b9o
11bo2bo13b6o10b4obob4o11bo2b2o2bo13bob3o9bo5bo3bo5bo10bob2o6b2obo12bob
6obo12b3o14b4o10bo3bo3bo7b6o8b5o8b6o9b5o10b8o9b3obo2bob3o35b9o20bo2bob
2obo27bo8bo28b2obo11b2o2b2ob2obo$2bob6obo21b2o8b2o24b3o8b2o8b3o13b6o
13b6o13b2o2b2o10b7o10b2o2b2o9bobo2bobo9b7o12bo2bo12b2o17b7o13bobo2bobo
17bo10b4o7b4o11b3o8b3o14b6o11bobo3bobo8b2ob4ob2o23b2o2b2o7b7o7b2o2b2o
9b5o9b10o8b2o8b2o15b4o16b9o21b4o3bo3bo23bo2b5o2bo22bob2o3b2o10b6obo2b
2o$3b8o24b2o4b2o25b2o6b2o6b2o6b2o14b4ob5ob5ob4o15bob2obo10bob3obo10bob
2obo11bo2bo10bob5obo9bobo2bobo9bob4o13b9o12b3o2b3o14bo17bo5bo41bob6obo
9b2o5b2o8b2ob4ob2o23bob2obo7b7o7bob2obo8bob3obo9b8o11b2o4b2o39b5o22bo
2bo3bo2b2o24bobobo2bobob2o18bob4obo14bobo2b2o$5b4o25bo8bo24b2o2b3o2bo
6bo2b3o2b2o11b4obobo2b7o2bobob4o12b6o10bo2bo2bo10b6o26b2obob2o13b2o14b
4o14b7o51b3o5b3o15b2o6b2o15bob4obo10bo7bo11b4o13b3o10b6o7b7o7b6o6bo3b
3o3bo7b8o10bo8bo17b2o18bo5bo19bobobob5o25bobo4bobobo2bo18b5o16b2obo2bo
$5b4o24bo3b4o3bo26b5ob2o4b2ob5o12bo2bo3b2obo9bob2o3bo2bo11b4o14bo14b4o
30bo14b6o11b5o16b3o16b6o14b2o2b2o11bo9bo11bob2obo6bob2obo9bobo2b2o2bob
o7bo9bo8bo2b2o2bo9bobobobo9b4o10b3o10b4o26b6o10bo3b4o3bo14b2o2b2o15bo
7bo18b3o2b4o3bo24b2o5b2obo2bo19b5o19b3o$4bob2obo23b4o4b4o25b4o2b2o2b2o
2b2o2b4o12bob3o4bob2obob2obo4b3obo11b6o10bo5bo10b6o12bo2bo28b6o14b2obo
12bo5bo13bobo2bobo15b2o10b3o2b2o3b2o2b3o8bo3b3o4b3o3bo9bobo2b2o2bobo
27bob2obo10bob3obo8b6o9b3o9b6o6bob2o3b2obo7b8o9b4o4b4o15bo2bo43b8o4bo
32bob2o20b4o17b3o3b2o$5bo2bo27b6o26bob2o8b2o8b2obo11b2obobo2bo9bo2bobo
b2o13b4o14bo14b4o14bobo27bob4obo11bob3o13bo5bo12bo3b2o3bo11b2o3b2o9b2o
b2o5b2ob2o10bob3o6b3obo10bobo6bobo7b2o7b2o8b2ob2ob2o8b2ob3ob2o6bob4obo
8b3o8bob4obo25b4o14b6o17b6o41b5ob4o23bob3o7bo4b2o15bob3ob2o18bob4o$36b
ob2obo28bob2o2bo2b4o2bo2b2obo12b6o5b3ob3o5b6o29b3o31b2o31b2o13b4ob2o9b
3o7b3o12b4o29bobobobo3bobobobo9bobo3bo2bo3bobo11b2o6b2o8b11o9bob2obo8b
ob7obo6bob2obo7b7o7bob2obo10bobo13b4o14bob2obo17b6o44b2o3bob2obo19bo3b
2o9bo16bo2b3o22bobobo$4bob2obo27bo2bo28b2o4bob8obo4b2o13b4o2b4o5b4o2b
4o14bo2bo29bo2bo13bo48b2obo2bo30b3ob4ob3o14bo11b2o2bo5bo2b2o13bo8bo15b
o6bo8bob2o5b2obo6bo3b2o3bo7b9o9b2o11b3o11b2o10b7o10bo4bo14bo2bo17b8o
43bob2obobobo21bobo6b5o19b3o$3b2ob2ob2o27b2o29b4o2b2o2b4o2b2o2b4o11b6o
3b5ob5o3b6o30bo81bob3o35b4o15bo3b2o10b2o9b2o13bo2bo4bo2bo14b8o8b2obo5b
ob2o7bob4obo7b11o7b4o9b5o9b4o9b2o3b2o31b2o18b8o45b5o27bo2bo2bo21b4obo$
2bo8bo24bob2obo29bobo3bob4obo3bobo12b6o3bo2bo5bo2bo3b6o117bo34b2o17b3o
bo11b4o3b4o16bo6bo36bo3bo13b4o14bo13b2o12bo12b2o9b2ob3ob2o28bob2obo16b
8o44b3ob3o27bob2o2bo18b2o2bo$5bo2bo27bo4bo27bo6bo2b4o2bo6bo13b3o2bobob
o5bobobo2b3o117bo35bob2obo17bo13b2o7b2o13bobo3b2o3bobo12bo2b4o2bo11bo
3bo11b8o10b2ob2o23b2ob2o58bo4bo16b8o44bobobo30bobo25bobo$ob2obo2bob2ob
o22bo4bo26bo9b6o9bo10b2obo2b2ob2o7b2ob2o2bob2o117bo33bob2obo17b2o13bo
7bo14b3o2b4o2b3o35bo12bob6obo9bo3bo10bo2bo23bo2bo27b4o14bo4bo16bob4obo
45bo35bo24bo$3b2o4b2o26bo2bo27bo3b3o5b2o5b3o3bo9bob2o2bo3b2o7b2o3bo2b
2obo112b2o36b6o17bo13b3o5b3o13b3o8b3o13b3o2b3o26bo3b4o3bo24b2o25b2o10b
obobobo11b4o15bo2bo18b6o80bo26bo$b2ob2o2b2ob2o23bo4bo27bo10b2o10bo12b
4ob3obo7bob3ob4o115b2obo33b6o15bob3o12b2o5b2o16bo8bo14b3o4b3o26b2ob4ob
2o10b3o10b6o8b5o8b6o11bo14b4o14bo4bo19b2o83b2o$3bobo2bobo23b3o4b3o26b
2o18b2o12bo4bo3bo9bo3bo4bo112b5o35b4o16bob2o11b4o5b4o14bo8bo16b2o2b2o
29bob4obo9bob3obo10b2o25b2o11bo3bo11bob2obo12b2o4b2o15bo2b2o2bo$3b3o2b
3o23bo2bo2bo2bo61b2o5bo11bo5b2o113b7o30b2ob4ob2o13b2o16b3ob3o42bobo2bo
bo29b6o10bo5bo8b6o21b6o7b3o3b3o9b6o11bobo4bobo15bob2obo$2b2o6b2o22b2o
2b2o2b2o62b2o2b2o13b2o2b2o115b4obo33b4o15bo16bobo2bo2bobo40b2o4b2o27bo
b6obo8bo5bo9b4o23b4o9b3ob3o12b2o13bobo4bobo14bo2b2o2bo$2b2o2b2o2b2o24b
ob2obo63b2o2b3o2b2o5b2o2b3o2b2o113b6o30bo3b4o3bo10bobo15b2o7b2o42bo2bo
29bob6obo9b5o8bob4obo19bob4obo7bo5bo11b4o14bo4bo19b2o$bo3b4o3bo19bobo
2b4o2bobo64bob4obobob4obo118b4o34bob4obo11b2o15b2o11b2o37b2o6b2o28b6o
11b5o8bob4obo19bob4obo8bo3bo29b8o16b6o$2bobob2obobo23bobo2bobo61bobo2b
9ob9o2bobo112b5o33b8o10bo3bo14b2obo5bob2o40bo4bo31b4o12b2ob2o10b4o23b
4o9b7o27b3o4b3o14b2ob2ob2o$5bo2bo24bobo6bobo63b10ob10o116b4o34bob4obo
14b2o13b3o7b3o76bob2obo12bobo12b2o25b2o11b5o12b4o13b3o2b3o16bob2obo$5b
o2bo24bo10bo61bo4b6obob6o4bo153b6o12bobobo12bobo9bobo107b4o23b4o10b5o
11bob2obo9b2ob2o4b2ob2o15b2o$5b4o26b2o4b2o66bob6obob6obo117bo2bo35b6o
14b2o13bobobo5bobobo106bob2obo21bob2obo7bob5obo29b4o18b6o$3b8o25bob2ob
o66bob7o3b7obo117bobo35b6o13b3obo13b3o5b3o107bo6bo19bo6bo8b5o27bob2o4b
2obo15b4o$3b8o26bo2bo66bo4b4ob3ob4o4bo117b2o36b4o15bo2bo11bo2bob5obo2b
o107b4o23b4o9bo5bo28bob4obo16b6o$4b6o28b2o72b4o2bo2b4o123bo35bob2obo
11bo5bo14bo7bo109b2o2b2o21b2o2b2o8bobobobo28bob4obo14b10o$2b10o24bo4bo
66b3ob4o5b4ob3o116bo4bo50bo2bo2bo131b8o19b8o9bobo29b2o2b2o2b2o13b10o$
3b8o24b2o4b2o68b4o7b4o118bo2b3obo30bo2bo2bo2bo11b3obo14b3obob3o108bobo
2bobo19bobo2bobo8b5o28bo2b4o2bo15b6o$3b8o25b2o2b2o206bo34bo6bo12b2ob2o
12b5o3b5o108b4o23b4o10b5o29b2ob2ob2o15b8o$bob8obo25b2o205bo2bo34bobo2b
obo11bo3bo133b6o21b6o9b5o29bo2b2o2bo17b4o$2b10o25bo2bo203b4o54bob2o12b
ob3o7b3obo104b8o19b8o7bo2bo2bo27b3ob2ob3o$b12o232bo2bo69bob3obobobob3o
bo106b4o23b4o9b2o3b2o28b8o17bo2bo$b12o236bobo51b3o14b3obo3bob3o108b4o
23b4o10bo3bo31b4o$14o21b8o204bobo55bo13bo13bo107b4o23b4o11b3o29b2ob4ob
2o16bo2bo$14o21bob4obo204bobo69bo3bobobobo3bo108b2o25b2o46b6o16bo6bo$b
12o22bob4obo203b2o56bo14b5o5b5o148bo3bo28b10o14bob4obo$b12o23b6o203bob
o56bobo13bob3o3b3obo109b2o25b2o8b4o3b4o26bob4obo17b4o$14o22b6o206b2o
53b2ob2o13bob2obob2obo109b4o23b4o45b6o16bob4obo$14o19b3ob4ob3o200bo3b
2o52bo19bob3obo110b6o21b6o7bo2b3o2bo26b3ob2ob3o13b10o$b12o23b6o202bo3b
3o51bo3bo15bob5obo110b4o23b4o10bo3bo32b2o16b3ob4ob3o$b12o19b14o199bo
58bo17bob2ob2obo109b6o21b6o8bob3obo31b2o$14o21b8o200bo2bob3o50b6o15bo
3bo3bo109b6o21b6o8bobobobo25bob3ob2ob3obo$14o18bobob6obobo197bo2bo59bo
16b7o112b2o25b2o42bo5b2o5bo15b2o$b12o23b6o205bo56b3o13bob2ob3ob2obo
109b2o25b2o10bo5bo25bo4b4o4bo$b12o21b2ob4ob2o201bo4bo51b2o3bo12bo2b7o
2bo107bob2obo21bob2obo7b2o5b2o25bo2b6o2bo14bob2obo$14o22bob2obo204bo3b
o53b2obo10b4obob3obob4o105bo4bo21bo4bo7b3o3b3o28b6o19b2o$14o20b2obo2bo
b2o203b3o53b3obo10b3o11b3o104b2o4b2o19b2o4b2o7b2o3b2o27bob6obo17b2o$b
12o231bob2obo53bob3o11bob2o3bo3b2obo105b2o4b2o19b2o4b2o7bo5bo27bob6obo
15bob2obo$b12o21bo8bo200b3obo56b3o16bobobo113b2o25b2o11bo3bo28bob6obo
14b8o$14o24b2o206bobo53bo3bo12bob11obo108b2o25b2o10b7o28b8o15bo2b2o2bo
$14o21b2ob2ob2o200bo2bo56b3o14b13o148bo2bo2bo28b8o16bob2obo$b12o19bob
4o2b4obo200b3obo55bobo12b11o151b3o30b8o17b4o$b12o19bobo2b4o2bobo198bo
5bo53bo3bo11bob9obo150b3o29b2ob4ob2o17b2o$14o19b5o2b5o200bob3o56b2o11b
o2b9o2bo148b5o27bo3b4o3bo15b4o$14o18bob2o2b2o2b2obo198bo2bobo52bo17bob
9obo148b7o29b6o16b8o$b12o19bob3o4b3obo258b2obo15b7o149bob7obo25b10o16b
4o$b12o20b2obo4bob2o201bo2bo54bo19b5o153b5o27bo4b2o4bo13b2o4b2o$14o19b
2o2bo2bo2b2o202bo75b7o151b7o26bobobo2bobobo14b6o$14o20bo3b2o3bo201b3o
77b3o155b3o30bo6bo14bo2b4o2bo$b12o22bo6bo203b3o76b3o155b3o29b2o6b2o13b
10o$b12o21b2o2b2o2b2o200b3o76b7o153b3o31bo4bo15bo2b4o2bo$14o20bo8bo
201b2obo73bob5obo185bo2b2o2bo14bo2b4o2bo$14o19bo2bo4bo2bo200bo2bo75b5o
154b3o30bo2b2o2bo17b4o$b12o20b2o8b2o200bo75bo3b3o3bo151b3o33b2o19bob2o
bo$b12o21b2o6b2o278bob5obo151bobobo28bobob2obobo14bo2b2o2bo$14o232b4o
76bo156bobo30b8o17b4o$14o20bobo4bobo204bo77bo153bob5obo24bob10obo11bo
2b4o2bo$b12o21b3o4b3o438b5o28b10o14b8o$b12o23b2o2b2o203b3o2b2o229b7o
25bob10obo11b10o$14o19bo10bo201bo234b7o26b12o12bob6obo$14o19bo2bo4bo2b
o199bo3b3o231b5o29b8o17b4o$2b3o2bob4o20bo4b2o4bo202bo3bo229bob3obo26bo
b8obo14b6o$bob2obo3b2obo19b2o3b2o3b2o201bob2o232bobobo27bo2b6o2bo14b6o
$246bob2o231b2o3b2o26b3ob4ob3o14bob2obo$33b3o6b3o201b2obo232b5o28b2ob
4ob2o15bob2obo$245b3o235b3o31bob2obo18b4o$32bob2o6b2obo198b3o2bo232b5o
27bo2bob2obo2bo16b2o$33b3o6b3o198bo2b3o232b7o26bo10bo14bo4bo$31bob4ob
2ob4obo199b3o234b3o28bo2b6o2bo14b2o2b2o$32b3ob2o2b2ob3o201b4o231bo3bo
28bobo4bobo14bobo2bobo$33bo2bo4bo2bo201bobo234bobo29bo3b2o3bo12bob8obo
$31b2o3bo4bo3b2o199bo3bo232b3o30b8o15bobo2bobo$31b2o3b2o2b2o3b2o434bob
obobo29b6o15bo2b4o2bo$34bo8bo202bo2bo230b2o5b2o27b8o15b8o$32b2obo6bob
2o198bo2bo232b2o5b2o24bo2b8o2bo13b6o$33bo10bo202bo2bo231b5o26bob2ob4ob
2obo13b6o$32bobo8bobo199b3o2bo229b9o26bo2b4o2bo14b8o$33bobo6bobo200b4o
bo231b5o26bob2ob4ob2obo14b4o$32b3o8b3o201b2obo230b7o24bo3bob4obo3bo14b
2o$34bo2bo2bo2bo201b4o233b5o25b2o4b4o4b2o9b2o2b4o2b2o$35b3o2b3o202bob
2o233bo3bo27b3ob4ob3o$36b6o204bo2b2o232bobo32b4o$36bob2obo205b2obo232b
obo29b10o$34bo2b4o2bo199bobo3b3o263bob6obo$33bo2b6o2bo199b3o3b2o230bo
3bo29b8o$33b12o200b3ob2o232bobo31b6o$35b8o202b4o268bob2obo$33bob8obo
200bob4o$33bob8obo201bob3o$34b10o200b2o$33b12o198bobo4bo$31b16o198bob
2ob2o266b4o$32b14o198bo272b6o$32b14o197b3obo268b8o$31b16o197b2ob3o268b
4o$31b16o196bo5bo267b6o$34bob6obo200b2o3bo263bobob6obobo$35bo2b2o2bo
202b2o3bo263bo3b4o3bo$36bo4bo207bobo260b4obob2obob4o$250bo262b6o2b6o$
247b3o263b2o3bo2bo3b2o$246bobobo262b2o3b4o3b2o$247b3o264bob3o2b3obo$
245bobobo263b2o3bo2bo3b2o$248bo266b4o2b4o$245bo272bo2bo$247b3o266bo6bo
$247bob2o267bo2bo$246bo3bo267bo2bo$245bo2bo269b4o$247bo270b4o$248bo2bo
267b2o$249b2o267b4o$515bob6obo$516b8o$516b2o4b2o$516bob4obo$517b6o$
515b2ob4ob2o3$517b2o2b2o!
Things to work on:
- Find a (7,1)c/8 ship in a Non-totalistic rule (someone please search the rules)
- Find a C/10 in JustFriends
- Find a C/10 in Day and Night
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Re: B3478/S15678

Postby wildmyron » March 8th, 2018, 6:55 am

The speed limit for orthogonal ships in this rule is definitely faster than c/3. Here's a partial for a 2c/5 ship:
x = 34, y = 24, rule = B3478/S15678
6bob2o2bo3b2o3bo2b2obo$7b2o2b3o2b2o2b3o2b2o$7bobob2o3b2o3b2obobo$4bobo
b3o5b2o5b3obobo$6bo5bo2b4o2bo5bo$5b3o7b4o7b3o$5b3obob2ob6ob2obob3o$5bo
3bobo3b4o3bobo3bo$3b4obo5bob2obo5bob4o$3bo5bo3b2ob2ob2o3bo5bo$2b3ob3ob
14ob3ob3o$bo2b5o6bo2bo6b5o2bo$2bo2b4o4b2ob2ob2o4b4o2bo$ob2obo8bo4bo8bo
b2obo$2b3o3bo3b2o6b2o3bo3b3o$2b2ob3o3b2obo4bob2o3b3ob2o$ob2ob3o3bo3bo
2bo3bo3b3ob2obo$2o2b4o6bo4bo6b4o2b2o$b5obo6bo4bo6bob5o$2b2o4bo4b2ob2ob
2o4bo4b2o$3b3o3bo4bo4bo4bo3b3o$5b2o4bob2o4b2obo4b2o$6bo2b6o4b6o2bo$7bo
7b4o7bo!


I would be very surprised if c/2 is actually impossible in this rule. Here are two ships in nearby rules which suggest c/2 is possible:

c/2, p4, works in B34/S15 - B3478/S1578
x = 13, y = 9, rule = B3478/S1578
bo9bo$bo9bo$3bo5bo$o11bo$o3bo3bo3bo$2bo7bo$bobo2bo2bobo$3bob3obo$5b3o!

c/2, p2, works in B34/S156 - B3478/S1568
x = 23, y = 14, rule = B3478/S1568
7bo7bo$7b2o5b2o$7b2o5b2o$8b3ob3o$9bo3bo$8b2obob2o$5b2ob2o3b2ob2o$5b2ob
o5bob2o$2b2o15b2o$o2bo2bo9bo2bo2bo$bob3o11b3obo$3b4obobobobob4o$4b3ob
3ob3ob3o$8b3ob3o!


So it appears to be the combination of B3 and S167 without any of S0, S2, S3 or S4 which causes the apparent absence of c/2 ships. Adding one of these in seems to allow ships in a fair few other nearby rules:

c/2, p2, with S1467
x = 15, y = 5, rule = B34/S1467
5b2ob2o$2o2bo5bo2b2o$bo2bobobobo2bo$bobobobobobobo$3bo3bo3bo!

c/2, p2, with S1367
x = 23, y = 11, rule = B3/S1367
9bo3bo$3b2o4b2ob2o4b2o$bo7b2ob2o7bo$b2o4b2o5b2o4b2o$2bo5b2o3b2o5bo$2b
2o2bo9bo2b2o$3b3obo2bobo2bob3o$4bobo3bobo3bobo$2bo5b2obob2o5bo$3ob2ob
2ob3ob2ob2ob3o$bo3b2o9b2o3bo!

If it does exist, I'm sure a c/2 ship in this rule will be very large, but I don't believe it's impossible.

And now for something completely different - a 2c/3 signal supported by a p2 wick:
x = 60, y = 20, rule = B3478/S15678:T60,20
5$47bo$45b2o$44bo4bo$43b2o2bo5b2o$2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b
2o2b4ob5obob2o2bo$2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b8obobo2bob
2o$43b2o3bobobo$47bo!
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Re: B3478/S15678

Postby AforAmpere » March 8th, 2018, 7:44 pm

wildmyron wrote:I would be very surprised if c/2 is actually impossible in this rule.

The weird thing is, the gfind search at width 28 instantly finishes. This makes me think a p2 C/2 does not exist, at any reasonable width anyways. A 2c/4 might, but I have no partials for one.
Things to work on:
- Find a (7,1)c/8 ship in a Non-totalistic rule (someone please search the rules)
- Find a C/10 in JustFriends
- Find a C/10 in Day and Night
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Re: B3478/S15678

Postby Rhombic » March 8th, 2018, 7:54 pm

LLS proves within no time that 2c/4 D2| is unsatisfiable (within 2 seconds for a 16x16 bbox), so it's probably down to how the combination of transitions disallows it early on.
EDIT: 2c/5 D2| in a 16x16 was also proven impossible in half a minute.
c/2 at C1 symmetry also proven in a 16x16 almost immediately.
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Re: B3478/S15678

Postby AforAmpere » March 8th, 2018, 10:47 pm

Closer to a 2c/5:
x = 36, y = 19, rule = B3478/S15678
16b4o$8bo3b4o4b4o3bo$7bo2b3ob2o4b2ob3o2bo$6b2o7bo4bo7b2o$4b3o4b4obo2bo
b4o4b3o$3b2o4b2o5bo2bo5b2o4b2o$2b5obobo2b4o2b4o2bobob5o$2bo2bo2bo2bob
2o6b2obo2bo2bo2bo$2b4o4b3obobo2bobob3o4b4o$4b4o2bo3bobo2bobo3bo2b4o$7b
2o4b2obo2bob2o4b2o$3bo4b5o3bo2bo3b5o4bo$5b3o3b2ob3o2b3ob2o3b3o$2bob5ob
obo4b2o4bobob5obo$bob4o3b4o8b4o3b4obo$2b3o2b3ob3obo4bob3ob3o2b3o$o5bo
2bo4b2ob2ob2o4bo2bo5bo$3b2ob2obobo2b2o4b2o2bobob2ob2o$5b3o20b3o!
Things to work on:
- Find a (7,1)c/8 ship in a Non-totalistic rule (someone please search the rules)
- Find a C/10 in JustFriends
- Find a C/10 in Day and Night
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Re: B3478/S15678

Postby wildmyron » March 8th, 2018, 11:53 pm

@rhombic: those searches are way too narrow to get a good feel for the search space. I can't say I've found anything promising though, so it may well be that ships which travel at c/2 do not exist in this rule. I wonder if it's worthwhile making a distinction between "does not exist" and "impossible".

@AforAmpere: I'm still running the width 34 gfind search. The search tree seems to have exploded beyond a depth of about 80 though, so search progress has slowed to a crawl. I'm also tentatively running a few narrower searches to try to complete the partial a bit sooner.

Edit: The longest partial I've got so far:
x = 50, y = 34, rule = B3478/S15678
42bo$10bo15bo13bo3bo$7bo2b2ob2o2bo2b2o6bo2bo4bobo3b4o$10b2o2b3ob2o5b2o
b3o2bo5bo2b3o$bo3bo2bo8bo5bob5o2b3o5bob3obo$2b2o4bo5bo7bo3b3o2b3obo5b
2obo2bo$6b2o3bob2obo6bo8b3o7bob2o$o2bobo3b6obobo6b2obo2bo3bob3o7b2o$ob
obo3bo2bobob2o2bo4bob2obo2bobobobob4o$11b3obo5bo2bo2bo2b2o6b2o5b3o$o2b
o2bobo9bo5bobo2b5o14bo$4b3o5b2ob2obo2b2obo9b8o6bo$2o3bo2bo5bob3o9b2obo
3b3o3bo3bo2bo$bo5bo2b2o2b3o2bo5b12o2bobobo2bobo$2o6b4o5b2o2bobobob3ob
2obo6bo6bo$2b2ob13o2b2o3b2ob3o2bo8b6o$bob16obobo2bo6bo11bo2bobo$bob16o
bobo2bo6bo11bo2bobo$2b2ob13o2b2o3b2ob3o2bo8b6o$2o6b4o5b2o2bobobob3ob2o
bo6bo6bo$bo5bo2b2o2b3o2bo5b12o2bobobo2bobo$2o3bo2bo5bob3o9b2obo3b3o3bo
3bo2bo$4b3o5b2ob2obo2b2obo9b8o6bo$o2bo2bobo9bo5bobo2b5o14bo$11b3obo5bo
2bo2bo2b2o6b2o5b3o$obobo3bo2bobob2o2bo4bob2obo2bobobobob4o$o2bobo3b6ob
obo6b2obo2bo3bob3o7b2o$6b2o3bob2obo6bo8b3o7bob2o$2b2o4bo5bo7bo3b3o2b3o
bo5b2obo2bo$bo3bo2bo8bo5bob5o2b3o5bob3obo$10b2o2b3ob2o5b2ob3o2bo5bo2b
3o$7bo2b2ob2o2bo2b2o6bo2bo4bobo3b4o$10bo15bo13bo3bo$42bo!


Edit 2: If this doesn't find something by the end of the weekend I will abandon the search. Longest so far:
x = 65, y = 34, rule = B3478/S15678
18bo10bo7bo19bo$2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2bob3o6b2o2bo2b2o4bo14bo3bo$ob15obo4bo3b
ob2ob2o2bob2ob3o2bo4bobo3b4o$16obo2b3o2bobo4bobobob8o2bo5bo2b3o$4b5o3b
5obo4b10o5b7o2b3o5bob3obo$3o4bo3bobo2bo3b8ob2o4b2ob6o2b3obo5b2obo2bo$o
2bob2ob2o2bo2b2o2b19o9b3o7bob2o$2b6o4b2o5b22o2bo2bo3bob3o7b2o$2bo2bo2b
3o2b3o2bob16ob2o3bobo2bobobobob4o$3b2ob2o3bo3bob3o3b14ob5o2b2o6b2o5b3o
$5b2o2bo2b3o3bo2b2ob11o2bo6b5o14bo$2b3o3bo6bo2b2ob3o2b2obo4bobobo10b8o
6bo$5b2o2b2o4bo4b2obob2o5b2o2b2obo3b2obo3b3o3bo3bo2bo$3o6b2o3b2o3b3obo
3b6o3b16o2bobobo2bobo$bo2b4ob2ob2obo2bo2b3o5b2o4bobo2bob3ob2obo6bo6bo$
bo11bob2o2b2o2b10o5b3o2b3o2bo8b6o$12bo2b2ob2ob12o2bobo9bo11bo2bobo$12b
o2b2ob2ob12o2bobo9bo11bo2bobo$bo11bob2o2b2o2b10o5b3o2b3o2bo8b6o$bo2b4o
b2ob2obo2bo2b3o5b2o4bobo2bob3ob2obo6bo6bo$3o6b2o3b2o3b3obo3b6o3b16o2bo
bobo2bobo$5b2o2b2o4bo4b2obob2o5b2o2b2obo3b2obo3b3o3bo3bo2bo$2b3o3bo6bo
2b2ob3o2b2obo4bobobo10b8o6bo$5b2o2bo2b3o3bo2b2ob11o2bo6b5o14bo$3b2ob2o
3bo3bob3o3b14ob5o2b2o6b2o5b3o$2bo2bo2b3o2b3o2bob16ob2o3bobo2bobobobob
4o$2b6o4b2o5b22o2bo2bo3bob3o7b2o$o2bob2ob2o2bo2b2o2b19o9b3o7bob2o$3o4b
o3bobo2bo3b8ob2o4b2ob6o2b3obo5b2obo2bo$4b5o3b5obo4b10o5b7o2b3o5bob3obo
$16obo2b3o2bobo4bobobob8o2bo5bo2b3o$ob15obo4bo3bob2ob2o2bob2ob3o2bo4bo
bo3b4o$2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2bob3o6b2o2bo2b2o4bo14bo3bo$18bo10bo7bo19bo!
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Re: B3478/S15678

Postby Goldtiger997 » March 9th, 2018, 10:41 pm

Nice 2c/7 wickstretcher AforAmpere. Those 2c/5 partials look very promising wildmyron, and I'm now convinced that 2c/5 ships exist.

I searched for some period 11 ships without asymmetry (i.e. only u and v). I searched w7 for 3c/11, and w6 for 2c/11 and c/11. Here are the longest partials:

x = 132, y = 62, rule = B3478/S15678
5bo12bo4bo9b2o12bo22bo12b2o23bo15b2o$2b2o3b2o8bo2b2o2bo7bo2bo10bobo18b
2o3b2o33bobo12bo4bo$3bo3bo9b3o2b3o7bo2bo10bobo33bo2bo20bo3bo12b4o$2b7o
7b3o4b3o6bo2bo9bobobo15b2o2b3o2b2o4bob4obo16bobo3bobo8bo6bo$ob7obo7b6o
9b2o9b7o15bob5obo7bo2bo17b3o5b3o6bo3b2o3bo$2b7o8bobo2bobo8b2o11b3o19b
5o8b2o2b2o16b2o2bobo2b2o6bobo4bobo$bob5obo5bob3o2b3obo5b4o8b3ob3o17b5o
8bob2obo18b7o8b4o2b4o$bob5obo8bob2obo6b2ob2ob2o9bo20bobobo10b2o20bo5bo
$bo3bo3bo7b8o6bob2obo8b2ob2o18bobobo10b2o36b2ob2ob2o$2b2obob2o10b4o7b
2ob2ob2o6bobobobo18bobo31b11o$17bob4obo6bo4bo10bo21bobo10b4o16b3o7b3o$
3bo3bo8bo3b2o3bo4bob4obo6bo5bo17bo3bo8bo4bo15bo3b5o3bo7b6o$b2o5b2o7b8o
5bo6bo6bo2bo2bo15b9o8b2o22b3o10b4o2b4o$17b8o6bo4bo7bobobobo15bo2bobo2b
o5b3o2b3o15bobo5bobo9b4o$b3o3b3o6bo2b4o2bo5b2o2b2o7bo5bo15bo3bo3bo6b2o
2b2o17b3obob3o5bobobob2obobobo$o3b3o3bo6bo6bo7b4o9bo3bo15bo2bobobo2bo
26b2obo2bo2bob2o3bobobo4bobobo$o9bo6b3o2b3o19b3ob3o14bo4bo4bo7b2o34b2o
b2o2b2ob2o$3b5o23bob2obo7bo5bo15bo7bo5b2ob2ob2o31bobo6bobo$19b4o9b4o8b
o5bo16bobobobo8bo2bo33bo2bo4bo2bo$18bob2obo6bob4obo29bobobobo5bo3b2o3b
o32b2ob2ob2o$16b2o2b2o2b2o4bo2b2o2bo6b2o3b2o16bo5bo5b4o2b4o29bobo3b2o
3bobo$4b3o10b2o4b2o6b2o2b2o7b2o3b2o69b10o$4bobo12bo2bo9b4o8bo5bo27b3o
2b2o2b3o$3bo3bo9bo2b2o2bo6b2o2b2o6bobobobobo27b2ob4ob2o$2bo5bo8bobo2bo
bo6bob2obo7bobobobo28bo2b4o2bo$2bo5bo8bo2b2o2bo7bo2bo9b2ob2o29bo3b2o3b
o$3bo3bo11bo2bo7bobo2bobo6b2obob2o30b2o2b2o$4b3o10bo2b2o2bo6b2o2b2o6b
3obob3o28bob4obo$3ob3ob3o5bob6obo4b3o2b3o45b2o$18b6o55bobo4bobo$bo7bo
7bob4obo8b2o43bo3b4o3bo$2bobobobo8b8o5b2ob2ob2o$2b3ob3o10b4o9b4o$3o5b
3o4bo2bob2obo2bo4b2o2b2o$o9bo5b2obo2bob2o5bob2obo$b2o5b2o$3bo3bo22b3o
2b3o$4b3o25bo2bo$4bobo9b3o4b3o3bo8bo$4b3o11b2o2b2o$17bo2b2o2bo$2b3ob3o
8bobo2bobo$bo7bo7bo6bo$3bo3bo8b3o4b3o$b2o5b2o6bobo4bobo$2bo5bo8bo6bo$
3b2ob2o9b2o4b2o$5bo10bo2bo2bo2bo$2bo5bo7bo8bo$2bo5bo$16bobo4bobo$2b3ob
3o7bobob2obobo$2b2o3b2o10b4o$bo7bo5bo3bo2bo3bo$b3obob3o8bo4bo$2b2o3b2o
7b3o4b3o$2bobobobo7b2o2b2o2b2o$4bobo10bo6bo$bob5obo9bo2bo$bo7bo$4b3o8b
5o2b5o$2bob3obo!


Edit: A short and wide c/4 and c/5. Guess the search program:

x = 68, y = 8, rule = B3478/S15678
12b4o$2b2o8bo2bo8b2o7bo2bo25bo2bo$11bo4bo17b2o27b2o$ob2obobobobo4bobob
obob2obo4bob2obo3b3o11b3o3bob2obo$9bobo4bobo12b2o4b2o4bo11bo4b2o4b2o$b
2o2bobo2bobo2bobo2bobo2b2o6bo3b2o4bo3bo3bo3bo4b2o3bo$9b2obo2bob2o13b2o
bo4b2o2bo2b5o2bo2b2o4bob2o$8b2o8b2o12bobo7bo2bobobobobo2bo7bobo!
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Re: B3478/S15678

Postby A for awesome » March 10th, 2018, 10:04 am

Goldtiger997 wrote:Edit: A short and wide c/4 and c/5. Guess the search program:

x = 68, y = 8, rule = B3478/S15678
12b4o$2b2o8bo2bo8b2o7bo2bo25bo2bo$11bo4bo17b2o27b2o$ob2obobobobo4bobob
obob2obo4bob2obo3b3o11b3o3bob2obo$9bobo4bobo12b2o4b2o4bo11bo4b2o4b2o$b
2o2bobo2bobo2bobo2bobo2b2o6bo3b2o4bo3bo3bo3bo4b2o3bo$9b2obo2bob2o13b2o
bo4b2o2bo2b5o2bo2b2o4bob2o$8b2o8b2o12bobo7bo2bobobobobo2bo7bobo!

Some form of WLS/JLS, I would think. Apart from that, the only programs that can do that that I know/can think of are osrc, LLS, and maybe afind, which I don't know anything about.
x₁=ηx
V ⃰_η=c²√(Λη)
K=(Λu²)/2
Pₐ=1−1/(∫^∞_t₀(p(t)ˡ⁽ᵗ⁾)dt)

$$x_1=\eta x$$
$$V^*_\eta=c^2\sqrt{\Lambda\eta}$$
$$K=\frac{\Lambda u^2}2$$
$$P_a=1-\frac1{\int^\infty_{t_0}p(t)^{l(t)}dt}$$

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Re: B3478/S15678

Postby AforAmpere » March 10th, 2018, 2:25 pm

A for awesome wrote:maybe afind, which I don't know anything about.

It can't be afind, afind is kind of like gfind, but harder to use, and can do slopes.
Things to work on:
- Find a (7,1)c/8 ship in a Non-totalistic rule (someone please search the rules)
- Find a C/10 in JustFriends
- Find a C/10 in Day and Night
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Re: B3478/S15678

Postby wildmyron » March 12th, 2018, 6:06 am

AforAmpere wrote:
A for awesome wrote:maybe afind, which I don't know anything about.

It can't be afind, afind is kind of like gfind, but harder to use, and can do slopes.

Actually, afind conceivably could find those ships, but I'm not sure if it's practically able to. (I've found doing short and wide searches with it very slow.)

Here's the best I can come up with on the 2c/5 search after feeding the latest partial in to JLS. I'm exploring one last avenue before I give up.
x = 137, y = 42, rule = B3478/S15678
87b2o$85bo$83bo3b5obo7bo2bo$84b2ob3o4b2o4b5o$7bo19bo7bo10bo35bo4b3obo
5bo3bob2obo$5bo3bo14bo4b2o2bo2b2o6b3obo2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2obob
3ob2ob5ob3ob5obo2bo$4b4o3bobo4bo2b3ob2obo2b2ob2obo3bo4bob29o2b2ob2o4bo
2bo4b2o5bobo$5b3o2bo5bo2b8obobobo4bobo2b3o2bob29ob2o4b2o2bo2b4o$3bob3o
bo5b3o2b7o5b10o4bob5o3b5o4b13obo2bo2bobobo6bo3b2ob2o$2bo2bob2o5bob3o2b
6ob2o4b2ob8o3bo2bobo3bo4b6ob10o3bo13bobo3b2o$4b2obo7b3o9b19o2b2o2bo2b
2ob2obo2bob2o2b2o2b3obo2bobo14b2ob2o$b2o7b3obo3bo2bo2b22o5b2o4b6obo8bo
24bo$6b4obobobobo2bobo3b2ob16obo2b3o2b3o2bo2bo3b3ob4o6bo$2b3o5b2o6b2o
2b5ob14o3b3obo3bo3b2ob2o12bo2b2o50bo$bo14b5o6bo2b11ob2o2bo3b3o2bo2b2o
11bo4bo35bo3bo$bo6b8o10bobobo4bob2o2b3ob2o2bo6bo3b3o5b2o38bo2b2ob3o2bo
3bo4bobo$bo2bo3bo3b3o3bob2o3bob2o2b2o5b2obob2o4bo4b2o2b2o7bo2bo36bob2o
2bo2bo2bob4ob2obo3bo$bobo2bobobo2b16o3b6o3bob3o3b2o3b2o6b4o2bo2bo34b3o
4b8ob2o3bo5bo$bo6bo6bob2ob3obo2bobo4b2o5b3o2bo2bob2ob2ob4o2bob2ob4o2b
2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o7b4ob10o4bob2obo$2b6o8bo2b3o2b3o5b10o2b2o2b
2obo11bo2bo2b31o2bobob2o2b15o2b7ob2o$obo2bo11bo9bobo2b12ob2ob2o2bo12b
3ob32o2bo2b3ob26o$obo2bo11bo9bobo2b12ob2ob2o2bo12b3ob32o2bo2b3ob26o$2b
6o8bo2b3o2b3o5b10o2b2o2b2obo11bo2bo2b31o2bobob2o2b15o2b7ob2o$bo6bo6bob
2ob3obo2bobo4b2o5b3o2bo2bob2ob2ob4o2bob2ob4o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b
2o7b4ob10o4bob2obo$bobo2bobobo2b16o3b6o3bob3o3b2o3b2o6b4o2bo2bo34b3o4b
8ob2o3bo5bo$bo2bo3bo3b3o3bob2o3bob2o2b2o5b2obob2o4bo4b2o2b2o7bo2bo36bo
b2o2bo2bo2bob4ob2obo3bo$bo6b8o10bobobo4bob2o2b3ob2o2bo6bo3b3o5b2o38bo
2b2ob3o2bo3bo4bobo$bo14b5o6bo2b11ob2o2bo3b3o2bo2b2o11bo4bo35bo3bo$2b3o
5b2o6b2o2b5ob14o3b3obo3bo3b2ob2o12bo2b2o50bo$6b4obobobobo2bobo3b2ob16o
bo2b3o2b3o2bo2bo3b3ob4o6bo$b2o7b3obo3bo2bo2b22o5b2o4b6obo8bo24bo$4b2ob
o7b3o9b19o2b2o2bo2b2ob2obo2bob2o2b2o2b3obo2bobo14b2ob2o$2bo2bob2o5bob
3o2b6ob2o4b2ob8o3bo2bobo3bo4b6ob10o3bo13bobo3b2o$3bob3obo5b3o2b7o5b10o
4bob5o3b5o4b13obo2bo2bobobo6bo3b2ob2o$5b3o2bo5bo2b8obobobo4bobo2b3o2bo
b29ob2o4b2o2bo2b4o$4b4o3bobo4bo2b3ob2obo2b2ob2obo3bo4bob29o2b2ob2o4bo
2bo4b2o5bobo$5bo3bo14bo4b2o2bo2b2o6b3obo2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2obo
b3ob2ob5ob3ob5obo2bo$7bo19bo7bo10bo35bo4b3obo5bo3bob2obo$84b2ob3o4b2o
4b5o$83bo3b5obo7bo2bo$85bo$87b2o!
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Re: B3478/S15678

Postby wildmyron » March 13th, 2018, 11:32 pm

wildmyron wrote:Here's the best I can come up with on the 2c/5 search after feeding the latest partial in to JLS. I'm exploring one last avenue before I give up.
<snip rle>

After much needless searching I finally realised that the 6 cell wide p2 wick can burn very nicely at 2c/5 - if it's allowed to do so asymmetrically.
x = 52, y = 6, rule = B3478/S15678
2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o3bo$b46o2bo$48o2bo$48o
2b2o$b46o2bo$2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o!

This would have allowed a bit more flexibility in the search I've been running and I'm sure a smaller 2c/5 would have been found. Nevertheless, here's the first 2c/5 orthogonal ship I have found in this rule (making good use of the above fuse):
x = 304, y = 42, rule = B3478/S15678
87b2o$85bo$83bo3b5obo$84b2ob3o4b2o77bo54bo$7bo19bo7bo10bo35bo4b3obo5bo
18bobo27b4o24bo10b2o16bo48b2o$5bo3bo14bo4b2o2bo2b2o6b3obo2b2o2b2o2b2o
2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2obob3ob2ob5ob3ob2o3b2o10bo28bo2bob3ob3o7bob2o2bo2bo2bo
8bob2obo6bo5bobo22b5o21b2o3bo$4b4o3bobo4bo2b3ob2obo2b2ob2obo3bo4bob29o
2b2ob2o4bo2bo4b2o2bo4bo6b2o2b2o5b2o4bo7bo3b2obob5o6b4obob4ob3o2bo2bob
2o5bobobo5bobobo22b3ob3o19bo2b2obo3bo5b2o$5b3o2bo5bo2b8obobobo4bobo2b
3o2bob29ob2o4b2o2bo2b4o5bo2bo6bo2bob2obo3b5obo3bo3b2o3b10ob4ob11o2bobo
7b4o3bobo2b5o3b2o5bo11bobo2bob3obo4bobo7b2obo2b4ob3o6bo6b2o$3bob3obo5b
3o2b7o5b10o4bob5o3b5o4b13obo2bo2bobobo6bo3b4o7bobob3o3bobo2bob4obo2bob
2o2bo2bo3bob20o3bobob2o2b3o12bo2bo3b3o2bo9bo2bo2bo5b2obob3o2bo9bo4bobo
bobo5b2o8bo4bo2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o3bo$2bo2bob2o5bob3o2b6ob2o4b2ob8o3bo2bob
o3bo4b6ob10o3bo13bobo4b2ob2ob2o2b2o2bob2o6bob3obob2o5b4ob2o2bo2b15o3bo
bob3o4bo4bobobob5ob2obo3b3o5b3obo2bobo3b2o3b2o3bo2bob2o3bo3bo2b2o2b6ob
2o2b2o2bo6b2ob15o2bo$4b2obo7b3o9b19o2b2o2bo2b2ob2obo2bob2o2b2o2b3obo2b
obo14b2o6b2o4bo3bo8b4o2bobo3b4obob2obo2bob2o3bo3b3o2b3o3bo9bo2bob5o10b
3o3bob2obo2b3o2b2ob19o3bob2ob21obo3b23o2bo$b2o7b3obo3bo2bo2b22o5b2o4b
6obo8bo24bob2o2b3obo2bo3bo4b2obo5bo3b2obobobob3o2b2obobob3obobo2bobo
11bo5bobob4o3bobo4bobob3o4b88o2b2o$6b4obobobobo2bobo3b2ob16obo2b3o2b3o
2bo2bo3b3ob4o6bo20bo2bob2o7bob3obobob2o5b10o3b4o3b2o11b2ob2ob4ob2o7b4o
b3o2bobo10bob89o2bo$2b3o5b2o6b2o2b5ob14o3b3obo3bo3b2ob2o12bo2b2o24bobo
2bobo4bo5bob2o2b2o2b3o3b2ob2obo4bo17bo2bo6b2o8b4o4bobo13b2o2b2o2b2o2b
2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o
2b2o2b2o$bo14b5o6bo2b11ob2o2bo3b3o2bo2b2o11bo4bo25bo5b3obo4b2o2b3o3b3o
b4obob3o29bo$bo6b8o10bobobo4bob2o2b3ob2o2bo6bo3b3o5b2o34b2o$bo2bo3bo3b
3o3bob2o3bob2o2b2o5b2obob2o4bo4b2o2b2o7bo2bo$bobo2bobobo2b16o3b6o3bob
3o3b2o3b2o6b4o2bo2bo$bo6bo6bob2ob3obo2bobo4b2o5b3o2bo2bob2ob2ob4o2bob
2ob4o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o3bo$2b6o8bo2b3o2b3o5b10o2b2o2b2obo11bo2bo2b18o2bo
$obo2bo11bo9bobo2b12ob2ob2o2bo12b3ob19o2bo$obo2bo11bo9bobo2b12ob2ob2o
2bo12b3ob19o2b2o$2b6o8bo2b3o2b3o5b10o2b2o2b2obo11bo2bo2b18o2bo$bo6bo6b
ob2ob3obo2bobo4b2o5b3o2bo2bob2ob2ob4o2bob2ob4o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o$bobo2bo
bobo2b16o3b6o3bob3o3b2o3b2o6b4o2bo2bo$bo2bo3bo3b3o3bob2o3bob2o2b2o5b2o
bob2o4bo4b2o2b2o7bo2bo$bo6b8o10bobobo4bob2o2b3ob2o2bo6bo3b3o5b2o34b2o$
bo14b5o6bo2b11ob2o2bo3b3o2bo2b2o11bo4bo25bo5b3obo4b2o2b3o3b3ob4obob3o
29bo$2b3o5b2o6b2o2b5ob14o3b3obo3bo3b2ob2o12bo2b2o24bobo2bobo4bo5bob2o
2b2o2b3o3b2ob2obo4bo17bo2bo6b2o8b4o4bobo13b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o
2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o$6b4ob
obobobo2bobo3b2ob16obo2b3o2b3o2bo2bo3b3ob4o6bo20bo2bob2o7bob3obobob2o
5b10o3b4o3b2o11b2ob2ob4ob2o7b4ob3o2bobo10bob89o2bo$b2o7b3obo3bo2bo2b
22o5b2o4b6obo8bo24bob2o2b3obo2bo3bo4b2obo5bo3b2obobobob3o2b2obobob3obo
bo2bobo11bo5bobob4o3bobo4bobob3o4b88o2b2o$4b2obo7b3o9b19o2b2o2bo2b2ob
2obo2bob2o2b2o2b3obo2bobo14b2o6b2o4bo3bo8b4o2bobo3b4obob2obo2bob2o3bo
3b3o2b3o3bo9bo2bob5o10b3o3bob2obo2b3o2b2ob19o3bob2ob21obo3b23o2bo$2bo
2bob2o5bob3o2b6ob2o4b2ob8o3bo2bobo3bo4b6ob10o3bo13bobo4b2ob2ob2o2b2o2b
ob2o6bob3obob2o5b4ob2o2bo2b15o3bobob3o4bo4bobobob5ob2obo3b3o5b3obo2bob
o3b2o3b2o3bo2bob2o3bo3bo2b2o2b6ob2o2b2o2bo6b2ob15o2bo$3bob3obo5b3o2b7o
5b10o4bob5o3b5o4b13obo2bo2bobobo6bo3b4o7bobob3o3bobo2bob4obo2bob2o2bo
2bo3bob20o3bobob2o2b3o12bo2bo3b3o2bo9bo2bo2bo5b2obob3o2bo9bo4bobobobo
5b2o8bo4bo2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o3bo$5b3o2bo5bo2b8obobobo4bobo2b3o2bob29ob2o
4b2o2bo2b4o5bo2bo6bo2bob2obo3b5obo3bo3b2o3b10ob4ob11o2bobo7b4o3bobo2b
5o3b2o5bo11bobo2bob3obo4bobo7b2obo2b4ob3o6bo6b2o$4b4o3bobo4bo2b3ob2obo
2b2ob2obo3bo4bob29o2b2ob2o4bo2bo4b2o2bo4bo6b2o2b2o5b2o4bo7bo3b2obob5o
6b4obob4ob3o2bo2bob2o5bobobo5bobobo22b3ob3o19bo2b2obo3bo5b2o$5bo3bo14b
o4b2o2bo2b2o6b3obo2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2obob3ob2ob5ob3ob2o3b2o10b
o28bo2bob3ob3o7bob2o2bo2bo2bo8bob2obo6bo5bobo22b5o21b2o3bo$7bo19bo7bo
10bo35bo4b3obo5bo18bobo27b4o24bo10b2o16bo48b2o$84b2ob3o4b2o77bo54bo$
83bo3b5obo$85bo$87b2o!

As I said, there are almost certainly smaller examples to be found, but I'm halting this search now. If anybody would like gfind dumps to continue the search at width 32 please let me know and I'll happily provide them.

Edit: I still think there's a possibility c/2 ships can exist in this rule, but I won't be searching for them, nor anything faster than 2c/5 such as 3c/7 which is probably also allowed in this rule.

I think it's also worth mentioning is that there are dozens of wickstretchers based on this frontend. Several were found after the first 150 columns, but many more emerge after the configuration near column 210 in the bottom arm of this pattern:
x = 235, y = 42, rule = B3478/S15678
87b2o$85bo$83bo3b5obo$84b2ob3o4b2o$7bo19bo7bo10bo35bo4b3obo5bo18bobo
27b4o$5bo3bo14bo4b2o2bo2b2o6b3obo2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2obob3ob2ob
5ob3ob2o3b2o10bo28bo2bob3ob3o7bob2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b
2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o$4b4o3bobo4bo2b3ob2obo2b2ob2obo3bo4bob
29o2b2ob2o4bo2bo4b2o2bo4bo6b2o2b2o5b2o4bo7bo3b2obob5o6b4obob69o$5b3o2b
o5bo2b8obobobo4bobo2b3o2bob29ob2o4b2o2bo2b4o5bo2bo6bo2bob2obo3b5obo3bo
3b2o3b10ob4ob75o$3bob3obo5b3o2b7o5b10o4bob5o3b5o4b13obo2bo2bobobo6bo3b
4o7bobob3o3bobo2bob4obo2bob2o2bo2bo3bob81o$2bo2bob2o5bob3o2b6ob2o4b2ob
8o3bo2bobo3bo4b6ob10o3bo13bobo4b2ob2ob2o2b2o2bob2o6bob3obob2o5b4ob2o2b
o2b78o$4b2obo7b3o9b19o2b2o2bo2b2ob2obo2bob2o2b2o2b3obo2bobo14b2o6b2o4b
o3bo8b4o2bobo3b4obob2obo2bob2o3bo3b3o3b66o$b2o7b3obo3bo2bo2b22o5b2o4b
6obo8bo24bob2o2b3obo2bo3bo4b2obo5bo3b2obobobob3o2b2obobob3obobo2b2o3b
65o$6b4obobobobo2bobo3b2ob16obo2b3o2b3o2bo2bo3b3ob4o6bo20bo2bob2o7bob
3obobob2o5b10o3b4o3b2o13bo2b62o$2b3o5b2o6b2o2b5ob14o3b3obo3bo3b2ob2o
12bo2b2o24bobo2bobo4bo5bob2o2b2o2b3o3b2ob2obo4bo20bob2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b
2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2bo$bo14b5o6bo2b11ob2o2bo3b
3o2bo2b2o11bo4bo25bo5b3obo4b2o2b3o3b3ob4obob3o$bo6b8o10bobobo4bob2o2b
3ob2o2bo6bo3b3o5b2o34b2o$bo2bo3bo3b3o3bob2o3bob2o2b2o5b2obob2o4bo4b2o
2b2o7bo2bo$bobo2bobobo2b16o3b6o3bob3o3b2o3b2o6b4o2bo2bo$bo6bo6bob2ob3o
bo2bobo4b2o5b3o2bo2bob2ob2ob4o2bob2ob4o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b
2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o
2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o$2b6o8bo2b
3o2b3o5b10o2b2o2b2obo11bo2bo2b164o$obo2bo11bo9bobo2b12ob2ob2o2bo12b3ob
165o$obo2bo11bo9bobo2b12ob2ob2o2bo12b3ob165o$2b6o8bo2b3o2b3o5b10o2b2o
2b2obo11bo2bo2b164o$bo6bo6bob2ob3obo2bobo4b2o5b3o2bo2bob2ob2ob4o2bob2o
b4o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b
2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o
2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o$bobo2bobobo2b16o3b6o3bob3o3b2o3b2o6b4o2bo2bo$
bo2bo3bo3b3o3bob2o3bob2o2b2o5b2obob2o4bo4b2o2b2o7bo2bo$bo6b8o10bobobo
4bob2o2b3ob2o2bo6bo3b3o5b2o34b2o$bo14b5o6bo2b11ob2o2bo3b3o2bo2b2o11bo
4bo25bo5b3obo4b2o2b3o3b3ob4obob3o29bo$2b3o5b2o6b2o2b5ob14o3b3obo3bo3b
2ob2o12bo2b2o24bobo2bobo4bo5bob2o2b2o2b3o3b2ob2obo4bo17bo2bo6b2o8b4o4b
obo13b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o$6b4obobobobo2bobo3b2ob16obo2b3o2b3o2bo2bo
3b3ob4o6bo20bo2bob2o7bob3obobob2o5b10o3b4o3b2o11b2ob2ob4ob2o7b4ob3o2bo
bo10bob24o$b2o7b3obo3bo2bo2b22o5b2o4b6obo8bo24bob2o2b3obo2bo3bo4b2obo
5bo3b2obobobob3o2b2obobob3obobo2bobo11bo5bobob4o3bobo4bobob3o4b21o$4b
2obo7b3o9b19o2b2o2bo2b2ob2obo2bob2o2b2o2b3obo2bobo14b2o6b2o4bo3bo8b4o
2bobo3b4obob2obo2bob2o3bo3b3o2b3o3bo9bo2bob5o10b3o3bob2obo2b3ob13o$2bo
2bob2o5bob3o2b6ob2o4b2ob8o3bo2bobo3bo4b6ob10o3bo13bobo4b2ob2ob2o2b2o2b
ob2o6bob3obob2o5b4ob2o2bo2b15o3bobob3o4bo4bobobob5ob2obo3b3o5b3o4b11o$
3bob3obo5b3o2b7o5b10o4bob5o3b5o4b13obo2bo2bobobo6bo3b4o7bobob3o3bobo2b
ob4obo2bob2o2bo2bo3bob20o3bobob2o2b3o12bo2bo3b3o2bo12b2ob10o$5b3o2bo5b
o2b8obobobo4bobo2b3o2bob29ob2o4b2o2bo2b4o5bo2bo6bo2bob2obo3b5obo3bo3b
2o3b10ob4ob11o2bobo7b4o3bobo2b5o3b2o5bo15b2o2b2o2bo$4b4o3bobo4bo2b3ob
2obo2b2ob2obo3bo4bob29o2b2ob2o4bo2bo4b2o2bo4bo6b2o2b2o5b2o4bo7bo3b2obo
b5o6b4obob4ob3o2bo2bob2o5bobobo5bobobo$5bo3bo14bo4b2o2bo2b2o6b3obo2b2o
2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2obob3ob2ob5ob3ob2o3b2o10bo28bo2bob3ob3o7bob2o2b
o2bo2bo8bob2obo6bo5bobo$7bo19bo7bo10bo35bo4b3obo5bo18bobo27b4o24bo10b
2o16bo$84b2ob3o4b2o77bo$83bo3b5obo$85bo$87b2o!
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